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Personally I wouldn't care for either. I just think they're most likely.

Nintendo's obviously banking hard on No More Heroes, that seems like an obvious pick. And Waluigi I think will be in response to the overwhelming fan support after it was found he wasn't in the main game. He's an easy thing for them to monetize in the future. Seems like they'd want to go ahead and promote him if people will buy him.
 

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You know I am surprised we have yet to get a basically Capcom vs Capcom fighting game, especially during periods when Marvel is dead like right now.
There was Capcom Fighting Evolution back in 2004, but I heard it didn't do that good.
 
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Nintendo's obviously banking hard on No More Heroes
Still surprising that Nintendo is pushing such a violent and crass game series. Thank god for the Japanese version turning everyone to black dust instead of a gory mess like it's Infinity War. Couldn't imagine Sakurai playing or showing No More Heroes footage, except maybe Travis Strikes again.

"What is No More Heroes?" ****, it's not for good boys and girls he can tell you that pretty clearly.
 
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Yeahhhh, the ratio of cartoony to realistic characters took a hard flip after Brawl, and it would be nice to add to the count that was prominent during Smash's earlier days. The number of plausible additions of that nature is quite small these days. Crash, Rayman, Geno, Waluigi.

Nothing against the realistic characters, I like a bunch of them too. I mean I have three in my sig. But y'know, it's just a different kind of variety.
 

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Yeahhhh, the ratio of cartoony to realistic characters took a hard flip after Brawl, and it would be nice to add to the count that was prominent during Smash's earlier days. The number of plausible additions of that nature is quite small these days. Crash, Rayman, Geno, Waluigi.
Define plausible. If you're just going by popularity alone then you narrow down your choices to a handful. But gaming has a wide variety of characters and they dont just have to pull from what's popular or relevant.

There are many, many characters that they could pick and they dont have to be relevant or popular. A lot of my personal picks are Earthworm Jim, Eggman, Spyro, Klonoa, Bub and Bob, Goemon, Lip, the Battletoads and F-Type (the car from Stunt Race FX).

Rather than trying to sell us on how popular they are or what franchise they're from they should just try to sell us on what they could bring to Smash that's unique. Sakurai says he picks characters based on what's fun but the reality is obviously that he just picks some characters just for the sake of having them in. Joker and Byleth are so bland and offer nothing unique. It's not really down to popularity or relevance but just on how much he feels like screwing with the audience.
 
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Define plausible. If you're just going by popularity alone then you narrow down your choices to a handful. But gaming has a wide variety of characters and they dont just have to pull from what's popular or relevant.

There are many, many characters that they could pick and they dont have to be relevant or popular. A lot of my personal picks are Earthworm Jim, Eggman, Spyro, Klonoa, Bub and Bob, Goemon, Lip, the Battletoads and F-Type (the car from Stunt Race FX).
I don't believe I'm using plausible in an unorthodox manner, as one would have to be to apply it to these characters.

Joker and Byleth are so bland and offer nothing unique. It's not really down to popularity or relevance but just on how much he feels like screwing with the audience.
From one cynic to another, this is a level of cynicism that will impede credibility. I mean, if you care about that kind of thing and don't just want to be seen as bitter.
 
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Found this in a meme group:
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Yeah, especially as someone who grew up with Smash 64, where it was surprisingly balanced, half and half, when it came to humanoids and animal characters. I was surprised Banjo & Kazooie got in before Crash, despite being more of a fan of the former. Crash is a far more recognizable name and not owned by a rival platform. It's why I'm really hoping Crash is in Volume 2--it would be amazing to have the console mascots, Mario, Sonic, and Crash all in the same game. I guess you could throw in Master Chief, though I'm a bit more skeptical there. Still, would be amazing, and definitely attention grabbing. I'd be fine with 5 humans and a marsupial. :chuckle: It's why I'm hoping for characters like Rayman, Agumon, and Geno, and disappointed to see Bomberman in assist trophy hell. But I also like human characters such as Sora and Dante, and wouldn't mind seeing them in.
 

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Byleth is a meh kind of character to me but I got Banjo & Kazooie and we're getting 6 more characters so his inclusion is harmless.
That's the way I look at it as well. Can't imagine what I would be thinking if my dream character wasn't in--I'd probably be as upset as I was with the final Smash Direct before released--"You're ending on THAT?!" Makes me reflect on those issues of mine. But, of course, we're not ending on that and this wild ride continues (forever).

As for Byleth themselves--meh. Aesthetically, I really can't tell them a part from Marth and Lucina at a glance--would have been better if in their Smash versions their hair was greener, at the very least. But at a glance it looks blue, and all humans in the game have the same face to me. But it's nice to have that different weapons mechanic, even though I don't see how that's a "truly new way to play" as all the other DLC characters--Link can switch between sword, arrow and bombs. Would have been more interesting if it were a Pokemon Trainer type character where down B leads to a whole new moveset. But perhaps I'll see what Sakurai means when I get my hands on the character.
 
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I am just gonna put out my predictions for the second Fighter Pass here.

For third parties.
Dante.
Agumon.
Ryu Hayabusa.
Gordon Freeman as the WTF surprise pick.

And for first parties.
Adeleine [A long shot I will acknowledge, as this is based on the assumptions that 1) Sakurai decides he's okay with Adeleine, 2) a new Kirby title is in development and due to be released this year or next year, and 3) Adeleine is a major character]
Sylux [Also a long shot, as this assumes that MP4 will be released before December 2021, which isn't impossible]
 

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I don't believe I'm using plausible in an unorthodox manner, as one would have to be to apply it to these characters.
What I'm saying is that you wouldnt know what is plausible or not. You're just basing it on your opinion of what you see as plausible. I highly doubt you guessed any of the characters in the first season or found any of them to be plausible. Theyre only plausible in hindsight.

From one cynic to another, this is a level of cynicism that will impede credibility. I mean, if you care about that kind of thing and don't just want to be seen as bitter.
It's the truth. I dont really care about the labels people will put on me for speaking the truth. If that's cynicism to some people I couldnt care less.
 
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One thing I find funny about Travis is that if he does get in after a decade of requests and NMH generally being seen as a cult classic is that if he does end up getting in Vol 2, people wgo don't like him will whine that he's a shill pick despite the points already in his favour like how people try to disregard Hero as a shill pick because oh wow this active franchise got a new installment, clearly the only reason it got in Smash was to promote the newest installment and has nothing to do with the rest of the installment
 

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One thing I find funny about Travis is that if he does get in after a decade of requests and NMH generally being seen as a cult classic is that if he does end up getting in Vol 2, people wgo don't like him will whine that he's a shill pick despite the points already in his favour like how people try to disregard Hero as a shill pick because oh wow this active franchise got a new installment, clearly the only reason it got in Smash was to promote the newest installment and has nothing to do with the rest of the installment
I just see it as "**** it worked for kojima and snake, suda will get him in there eventually"
 

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Joker and Byleth are so bland and offer nothing unique. It's not really down to popularity or relevance but just on how much he feels like screwing with the audience.
That's such a lie I don't even know where to begin. Despite his silent protagonist nature, Joker has far more personality than any of persona protags. From the snarky answers we could choose to hai social link cutscenes, we know Joker is super snarky and extra.

Byleth seems bland but playing through FE:3H, shows her as driven to protect her students, takes time for them and has a damn sassy loli god in her. Not to mention her love of her father, tea, singing and eating constantly lol.

I'm just confused. Did you play the games or are you just bitter about their inclusions?
 

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Define plausible. If you're just going by popularity alone then you narrow down your choices to a handful. But gaming has a wide variety of characters and they dont just have to pull from what's popular or relevant.

There are many, many characters that they could pick and they dont have to be relevant or popular. A lot of my personal picks are Earthworm Jim, Eggman, Spyro, Klonoa, Bub and Bob, Goemon, Lip, the Battletoads and F-Type (the car from Stunt Race FX).

Rather than trying to sell us on how popular they are or what franchise they're from they should just try to sell us on what they could bring to Smash that's unique. Sakurai says he picks characters based on what's fun but the reality is obviously that he just picks some characters just for the sake of having them in. Joker and Byleth are so bland and offer nothing unique. It's not really down to popularity or relevance but just on how much he feels like screwing with the audience.
I don't support the angry tone of this post, but I agree with everything said in it.
None of the newcomers in this new Smash (with a couple of exceptions in Piranha Plant and Inkling) brings anything really interesting, Smash 4 was way more creative with the movesets of the characters, and the newcomer selection had a lot more variety.
Joker and Byleth don't offer anything new, Joker's gimmick is just a buff, other characters have similar gimmicks to buff moves, from Lucario's aura to Shulk's Monado arts, the only difference is the activation, but the gimmick isn't new in itself. The movesets don't feel that unique too... those characters look extremely generic to me. Hero as well. Hero has a big gimmick, but the gimmick is so shoehorned into the moveset that's rough and not very well designed (IMO). You have to select random spells from a menu... and the spells are completely unbalanced. I think that Shulk did the exact same gimmick countless times better, with a better and faster way to select the different modes and a more consistent set of stuff to select.
Terry is Ryu with a slighty different moveset, more unnecessarily complex and unbalanced. Byleth is the most generic fighter in the roster, so generic it could have been a Mii class. He can switch different weapons... so can Villager, and many other characters who have a different weapon for each move. cool.
Banjo is probably the only decent character of the set, and I'm not even a fan of him nor of his games... he just feels more inspired... but still not so special compared to what Smash 4 (and by extension all the previous Smash games) did with most of its newcomers.

That's the way I look at it as well. Can't imagine what I would be thinking if my dream character wasn't in--I'd probably be as upset as I was with the final Smash Direct before released--"You're ending on THAT?!" Makes me reflect on those issues of mine. But, of course, we're not ending on that and this wild ride continues (forever).

As for Byleth themselves--meh. Aesthetically, I really can't tell them a part from Marth and Lucina at a glance--would have been better if in their Smash versions their hair was greener, at the very least. But at a glance it looks blue, and all humans in the game have the same face to me. But it's nice to have that different weapons mechanic, even though I don't see how that's a "truly new way to play" as all the other DLC characters--Link can switch between sword, arrow and bombs. Would have been more interesting if it were a Pokemon Trainer type character where down B leads to a whole new moveset. But perhaps I'll see what Sakurai means when I get my hands on the character.
Yeah I agree with this too. Honestly, when in the trailer they have shown those weapons spinning around Byleth with different colored glows, I thought it was starting to look interesting... then it came out it was only a gimmick for the trailer and that ingame he switches the weapons without any visual effect like any other character who spawns different items depending on the attack.
The Pokèmon Trainer gimmick to switch weapon would be very cool, and ironically there's a character who already does this in a different game (and not only does change weapon but also element, between electric, fire and ice)... they're the Three Mage Sisters from Kirby Star Allies, and in all honesty I'd rather have them than another fire emblem anime guy.
 
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In hindsight there's one thing about Byleth that I find utterly hilarious, that being the Game Awards. People were ****ing LIVID 3H only got nomimated for best Strategy game and that it got snubbed in the best OST and best performance departments, so much so that when TGA made a Player's Choice option, which was the GOTY but the options not being a predetermined list of 5 games, 3H beat out literally everything else that came out in 3H. It also explains why there's been so much positivity despite the Corrin comparisons though that's really obvious as anyone who hates 3H has never played it
 

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I'm all for tweaking Fire Emblem characters to make them less clone-y. Give Marth his Fire Emblem, man.

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And for people who nag about Fire Emblem overrepresentation, here's a question: what is your ideal number of Fire Emblem reps?
 
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I'm all for tweaking Fire Emblem characters to make them less clone-y. Give Marth his Fire Emblem, man.

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And for people who nag about Fire Emblem overrepresentation, here's a question: what is your ideal number of Fire Emblem reps?
Considering the current roster and the state of the franchise, I would say 6 characters with one of them being like Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings (each alt is a different lord from each of the games)
 
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I would say 6 characters with one of them being like Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings (each alt is a different lord from each of the games)
What eight main lords will fit a one-size-fits-all character, might I ask?
 

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So uhhhh

What is everyone's thoughts on a Bandai Namco rep now?
Honestly, not that good, we know Sakurai hasn't been satisfied with his ideas for Heihachi and as we've gone this long without an extra character from the team actually making the goddamn game, I've come to the conclusion that another Namco character is like a Spirit promotion, I'll believe it when I see it
 

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Third Parties I would like to see:
Monokuma (or any Danganronpa representation)
Agumon (or any Digimon rep)
Either Crash or Spyro (I like Spyro more, but Crash would be pretty cool too)
Mothertrucking Team Fortress 2 rep
Something from a game I have played and beaten, because from the last DLC pack only Banjo fit there.
First Parties I would like to see:
Porky Minch (I mean, c'mon, right now Porky is my profile pic)
Adeleine (or any Kirby characterm except for bandana dee... sorry, I just.. find him pretty boring...)
Classic Ganon (or just a new Zelda rep that is not another Link)

That's what I would like... NOT what I expect, because I expect nothing of that happening, so, this is not a prediction list, is just a "I wish" list.
 

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So uhhhh

What is everyone's thoughts on a Bandai Namco rep now?
The Namco Mii Costumes are still missing, so there's at least that. I think Lloyd still stands a pretty decent chance, and beyond him there's always potential in a Dark Souls character, or maybe Sakurai finally figured out how to make Heihachi work. The likes of Nightmare, KOS-MOS and Agumon have an outside shot too, although I highly doubt we'll see them.

I'm not as confident about a Namco rep as I was during FP1, there are a few companies I find more likely atm (Capcom, Tecmo, Activision, Square again), and of course Nintendo characters being back on the table provides some extra competition for everyone (granted they were technically never off of it), but they're still in with a decent shout. It's pretty clear that they're not getting preferential treatment just because of their role with Ultimate though, so anyone basing their speculation off of that needs to rethink that point.
 
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Yay! I made my own Fighter Pass 2! Wish I could have added Crono but I liked these characters more.

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Travis Touchdown: He's cool, has a Beam Katana and I like the blood curdling scream Robin Atkins Downes does for him so it be hilarious to hear him scream when he gets KO'd. I hope to play the other 2 games sometime and hopefully I'll pick up No More Heroes 3. Don't know what kind of stage he would come with though. All I can think of is just the outside area of the motel he stays in.

Axel Stone: Fun beat em up guy and Streets of Rage 2 was my childhood game on the Mega Drive. Love to do a Grand upper as a Smash attack. I'd also love to see the theme park stage get into Super Smash Bros and it'd be cool if the stage had breakable boxes that had stage exclusive items like the Lead Pipe, Katana, apple and chicken (Like a whole cooked chicken on a silver platter).

Doom Guy: I don't care what anyone says, Doom guy is Doom guy with or without the blood. I could imagine him being a rushdown character like Captain Falcon with neutral attacks just using his fists and kicks but can utilise his weapons with his special moves that are more projectile based. With his stage it's got to be an old school UAC base map with sprite Imps and Cacodemons, hazardous toxic waste and a Cyberdemon coming from the background, shooting them rockets. Good times!

Klonoa: No personal attachment to the character but to me he feels like the Luigi of Bandai Namco and it'd be a shame not to get Klonoa to join his buddy Pac-Man. I don't expect Klonoa to join the pass anytime soon since Namco seems a bit humbled and I don't see Nintendo giving us Klonoa as our second Namco rep, especially with DLC.

Crash Bandicoot: I love the Crash Bandicoot games and have 100% completed the N.Sane Trilogy (aside from the platinum relics) so I'd like this guy to come to Smash Bros. I won't be happy unless all of his neutrals and aerials involve him using the spin attack. His specials can be the power ups he obtains from Crash Warped.

Cortez: No need to explain this guy. I made a whole page to explain what Cortez could bring and why he would be awesome!
 

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So....
How long til the first reveal of Volume 2?
Will it be at the next Nintendo Direct, or will we have to wait til E3?
Well... they need to do some "damage control" if they want people to buy the pass. So they need to reveal something big, be Geno, Dante, Doomguy or whatever
 

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Well... they need to do some "damage control" if they want people to buy the pass. So they need to reveal something big, be Geno, Dante, Doomguy or whatever
Why are people seriously considering the idea of Byleth affecting Vol2? Did Plant affect Vol1? Did Incineroar affect base game purchases for not living up to wild expectations? Cause Byleth was never meant to sell any passes as seen by the fact they're at the tail end, meaning if you wanted the pass, you'd have already bought it well over a year before they even got revealed. It's why the big guns come first, the big guns are exciting and make you want to buy the pass, the characters shown last get to be whatever as you'd have already bought the pass by then.


Also, bold prediction, Byleth's codename is gonna be Tetsu, screencap this, am a leaker for realsies
 

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So uhhhh

What is everyone's thoughts on a Bandai Namco rep now?
Still possible but I've noticed a bit of a pattern with the Mii costumes

Either they match the maker/theme of the character (eg. Akira and Jacky showing up with the SNK Fighting game costumes) or else the whole theme of the Mii Fighter set is miscellaneous. The missing Mega Man costumes came two such packs and I'm wondering if that's how we'll get the Namco costumes.

Really though, the company I'm counting out for now is Ubisoft as I would have thought that if one of there characters was in, they'd save the costumes for that.
 

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What eight main lords will fit a one-size-fits-all character, might I ask?
For starters, we already have four that come from the same playstyle, so we have Marth/Lucina/Roy/Chrom (I know they play different, just working with hypothesis). Now we need four to finish up: Alm, Eliwood, Leif and Lyn (only obstacle for her is a different cloth style than the other 7). More games represented with one single character: Visual distinctions, same play style.

At the end of the day, I don’t think Fire Emblem will be changed in Smash. It’s still better representation than Fire Emblem Warriors focusing too much on three games. I just think some areas could be streamlined to open slots to represent better the franchise: Anna is one of the most recurring Fire Emblem characters and a really popular character, even over some of the main characters, Byleth was the first time we had the Weapon Triangle, one of the cores of Fire Emblem, represented after 7 characters, stuff like that.
 
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For starters, we already have four that come from the same playstyle, so we have Marth/Lucina/Roy/Chrom (I know they play different, just working with hypothesis). Now we need four to finish up: Alm, Eliwood, Leif and Lyn (only obstacle for her is a different cloth style than the other 7). More games represented with one single character: Visual distinctions, same play style.

At the end of the day, I don’t think Fire Emblem will be changed in Smash. It’s still better representation than Fire Emblem Warriors focusing too much on three games. I just think some areas could be streamlined to open slots to represent better the franchise: Anna is one of the most recurring Fire Emblem characters and a really popular character, even over some of the main characters, Byleth was the first time we had the Weapon Triangle, one of the cores of Fire Emblem, represented after 7 characters, stuff like that.
Alm's fighting style is more brutish than finesse so he wouldn't work as a Marth skin, same reason as to why Chrom was used for the revamped Roy, Chrom's brutish and Roy's inexperienced in actual combat so they lack the finesse needed for Marth. While you can argue the same applies to Lucina despite her being a complete copy of Marth, the mere implication Lyn fits a moveset focused around the rapier instead of her typical lightning fast katana based iajustsu proves you know **** all about Lyn and assumed her sword means she'd be the exact same
 
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