Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[krokotopia101]

Why can't people just be happy that we got another character in general? I mean, we already have too many, so any character we get is just icing on the cake.

Because no one's gonna be happy until the puppet, the female chimp, the orange thing with a spear, and the purple wah gets in Smash. Personally, I'm a Toad advocate...I guess. But it's literally THESE 4 fighters at most that people are going to hold Sakurai hostage until they're in. AT. MOST. If not, then usually they'll do their normal routine and hold Sakurai hostage until they get the character THEY want.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope we get a new Fire Emblem announced before S2 is over just to see how the Smash community will react, because while Fire Emblem fandom will be excited as **** especially if its a Genealogy of the Holy War remake, the Smash fandom will be full of dread, fear, hatred, and most of all salt.

Not really. I really think we should move onto other series now that Threw Houses is in, coming from an FE fan.

Plus I never liked when someone requested characters for the salt.

 

[IAmGiles]

Nobody asked, but here's my reaction to Byleth.

I think without a doubt they chose the single character who was guaranteed to get the most hate. It's both funny and frustrating for multiple reasons.

They could have chosen from so many other franchises that aren't repped yet and kept the hype train rolling. Instead they went with yet another FE character of all picks, and they chose it before they knew the game would be a hit.

They sold us the fighter pass with a heavy implication that each character would be new and exciting. They ended it with the least new and least exciting character that they possibly could have while still calling it a "new" character.

And to make matters worse, they chose the most boring character from all of three houses. I love three houses, it's a great game, but I'd prefer to play as any other character over Byleth.

And I don't need anybody responding with "the moveset looks fun" or "wait to judge until you play it". That's not my point.

The fact of the matter is that Sakurai could make a fun moveset for ANY character and they chose the worst of all possible options for no discernable reason.

I'm sure ill enjoy playing as Byleth. I'm sure the moveset will be unique and interesting. I'm happy to have another DLC character, and I'm excited to get six more. I'm grateful for the awesome four characters we've already received.

But if anybody thinks Byleth is a genuinely good choice out of literally any other game franchise and even his own game, I can't help but feel like you are deliberately ignoring the reality of the situation.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Not really. I really think we should move onto other series now that Threw Houses is in, coming from an FE fan.

Plus I never liked when someone requested characters for the salt.

I am not asking for a new comer, I just want to see a new game announced just to see the fear in the Smash fandom.

 

[PhantomShab]

I swear the keys that spell out "salt" and "hoes mad" have got to be worn out and faded for you people.

Also worth noting is that this place is incredibly sensitive to any negativity against the roster. A little gets interpreted as a lot, so something primarily negative probably gets interpreted as, idk, vitriolic or a tantrum or something, even if the person seems pretty composed. Not that I can say I watched any of these recent videos, I'm speaking more in generalities and only going by past experience.

I'm aware people here probably disagree with this.

Yeah a lot of people here are pretty thin skinned. You'd think PapaGenos was screaming at the top of his lungs and breaking things but all I saw was him saying that there are too many Fire Emblem characters, which is absolutely true. Yeah he ranted about it the whole time but what was he supposed to do, fake his excitement over the 8th goddamn Fire Emblem character? lmao

 

[Garteam]

I hope we get a new Fire Emblem announced before S2 is over just to see how the Smash community will react, because while Fire Emblem fandom will be excited as **** especially if its a Genealogy of the Holy War remake, the Smash fandom will be full of dread, fear, hatred, and most of all salt.

According to Mangs, one of the bigger Fire Emblem YouTubers, there's apparently some sort of project related to Fire Emblem which he can't talk about yet. Presumably, it's that cancelled 3DS remake that may or may not have been getting ported to the Switch.

Granted, he might be taking the piss, but he's generally not the type of person to do that.

 

[Icewolff92]

They say you learn a lot about a person when they don't get what they want.

I'd say his reaction is very telling of who he actually is behind that Youtube persona, and I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we see this side of him again sometime.

Just imagine how his reaction would have been if Banjo had not been revealed yet

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Seeing people talking about Byleth and me now realising 2000 pages.

Well done people.

 

[Deleted member]

I am not asking for a new comer, I just want to see a new game announced just to see the fear in the Smash fandom.

Oh yeah. A new game would be hype.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Byleth looks great here compared to 3H
The shot with FemByleth with sun in the back really shows it

I love it when Smash gives characters a face lift

 

[PLATINUM7]

I am not asking for a new comer, I just want to see a new game announced just to see the fear in the Smash fandom.

Patrick: "What's a Smash fan?"
Spongebob: "It means he's afraid of Fire Emblem"
Patrick: "Blue hair, swords"
Spongebob: "Stop it Patrick. You're scaring him"

 

[Us3inMN]

Just watched the first 2 minutes of PapaGeno's reaction, and booooooy is he a little b***h baby.

 

[Droodle]

My predictions for Fighters pass 2:
-Goku
-Vegeta
-Super Saiyan Goku
-Super Saiyan Vegeta
-Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku
-Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta

Plz rate.

Also I swear if I ever have to type out Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan ever again, I am going to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan myself.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Well, if the choose edelgard... weren't smash fans clamoring how smash needed "more villians"? there, if you choose black eagles you have your protagonist, and if you choose opther house you have your villian >:3.

and i unironically love lorenz ._. enjoyed a lot his dinamics with claude, how he realizes what a jerk he was at the beginning and i really enjoyed his vulnerable side with the manuela's supports...

The moment i realized i was enjoying characters like Lorenz and Raphael i realized how much i liked this game.

*gasp* another Lorenz fan?!

 

[krokotopia101]

Nobody asked, but here's my reaction to Byleth.

I think without a doubt they chose the single character who was guaranteed to get the most hate. It's both funny and frustrating for multiple reasons.

They could have chosen from so many other franchises that aren't repped yet and kept the hype train rolling. Instead they went with yet another FE character of all picks, and they chose it before they knew the game would be a hit.

They sold us the fighter pass with a heavy implication that each character would be new and exciting. They ended it with the least new and least exciting character that they possibly could have while still calling it a "new" character.

And to make matters worse, they chose the most boring character from all of three houses. I love three houses, it's a great game, but I'd prefer to play as any other character over Byleth.

And I don't need anybody responding with "the moveset looks fun" or "wait to judge until you play it". That's not my point.

The fact of the matter is that Sakurai could make a fun moveset for ANY character and they chose the worst of all possible options for no discernable reason.

I'm sure ill enjoy playing as Byleth. I'm sure the moveset will be unique and interesting. I'm happy to have another DLC character, and I'm excited to get six more. I'm grateful for the awesome four characters we've already received.

But if anybody thinks Byleth is a genuinely good choice out of literally any other game franchise and even his own game, I can't help but feel like you are deliberately ignoring the reality of the situation.

Like I said. Wouldn't matter at all where or when Blythe would come in. Unfortunately, they'll only get nothing but hate nonetheless. But at this point, it can't be helped. In time they'll shut up, just like Corrin and Bayonetta as someone said before.

 

[MooMew64]

But if anybody thinks Byleth is a genuinely good choice out of literally any other game franchise and even his own game, I can't help but feel like you are deliberately ignoring the reality of the situation.

Oh shoot, I can't believe I'm wrong for liking a character.

How dare I enjoy something, am I right? My bad. I'll remember not to enjoy things next time.

 

[N3ON]

Maybe I'm just a bigot, but I'm pretty incapable of vibing in a conversation when someone goes, "**** Fire Emblem." Doubly so when they never tried it.

And for all the people who don't fit under that extreme example?

It's very easy to label all noise to the contrary as uneducated haters with concise, inarticulate, expletive-laden mantras, but that's not the full picture, that's just the group easiest to paint the rest as so as to best justify dismissing seemingly all criticism.

 

[Icewolff92]

Well, if the choose edelgard... weren't smash fans clamoring how smash needed "more villians"? there, if you choose black eagles you have your protagonist, and if you choose opther house you have your villian >:3.

Lets face it. If Fire Emblem would ever get a villain, then its Black Knight being uppgraded

 

[MooMew64]

Imagine treating a video game character choice as some kind of moral choice that requires deep philosophical reasoning, debate, and criticism.

Y'all have turned Smash into heckin' politics.

 

[slrigeigdew]

The only people I feel sorry for in this whole ordeal are the genuine Dante fans like Maximilian dood and Lythero that got caught up in the hype and were led astray by false rumors. They remind me of the Banjo fans post 11/1/2018 direct.

 

[Jomosensual]

Maybe I'm just a bigot, but I'm pretty incapable of vibing in a conversation when someone goes, "**** Fire Emblem." Doubly so when they never tried it.

Nor should you have to. If someone is bummed about the character I dont have a problem with talking about it with them, but it's pointless to try and be reasonable with the "LOL ITS MARTH 13891291280412089 WHAT A ****ING CLOWN" crowd. You didn't even have to make it through the trailer to know that was fake, so at that point you're either arguing with a troll or a moron. I'm not going to have a conversation with people that react like that because it's pretty clear they were rejecting the idea no matter what.

If people who are reasonable are just getting trolled then that's not great(I didn't see it so I don't know if it happened or not, but probably since it's the internet.) It's times like these we all probably need to remember to do better. Including me, who was ****posting during the the intro to FE section of the direct. Otherwise I don't got much to say on it. Would be nice if everyone played nice and for the most part a lot of people do(can only name 1 mean spirited person here) but the internet aint gonna stop being the internet.

Patrick: "What's a Smash fan?"
Spongebob: "It means he's afraid of Fire Emblem"
Patrick: "Blue hair, swords"
Spongebob: "Stop it Patrick. You're scaring him"

On what has been a really annoying and sucky day in terms of Smash, you win the best post of the day award. I have nothing to give other than the knowledge that you made a good post.

 

[Garteam]

Yeah a lot of people here are pretty thin skinned. You'd think PapaGenos was screaming at the top of his lungs and breaking things but all I saw was him saying that there are too many Fire Emblem characters, which is absolutely true. Yeah he ranted about it the whole time but what was he supposed to do, fake his excitement over the 8th goddamn Fire Emblem character? lmao

There's respectful disappointment, then there's what he did. Obviously, not everyone has to fake excitement all the time and disliking a character is totally valid, but he went too far in the opposite direction. Dude literally wrote off EVERYTHING about Byleth solely because of the series he didn't come from. I've had characters I haven't liked in Smash, but it doesn't mean I didn't try to give them a fair shot when analyzing them.

The stupidest part was the "This could've been Monster Hunter!" tangent. First, no, it couldn't have been, Byleth's moveset is heavily based around Fire Emblem's gameplay (namely the weapon triangle and the in-universe stats of the weapons). Second, that's definitely not the way things work, and I have no doubt that he knows that as well. The idea of "stealing slots" is extremely stupid, widespread, and justifies a lot of toxicity in the community. He really ought to know better than that.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I hope we get a new Fire Emblem announced before S2 is over just to see how the Smash community will react, because while Fire Emblem fandom will be excited as **** especially if its a Genealogy of the Holy War remake, the Smash fandom will be full of dread, fear, hatred, and most of all salt.

>realizes that the main protagonist of #FE is suspiciously absent from the spirit list and to my knowledge is the only lord that is absent

 

[Deleted member]

And for all the people who don't fit under that extreme example?

It's very easy to label all noise to the contrary as uneducated haters with concise, inarticulate, expletive-laden mantras, but that's not the full picture, that's just the group easiest to paint the rest as so as to best justify dismissing seemingly all criticism.

For those who don't fit under the extreme example, I'm glad they can handle it respectfully. I sometimes like their posts here. I also liked Max Dood's reaction where he was clearly disappointed but was completely comedic about it.

But right now, there's this schmup in the Social thread who literally spent all day complaining about Byleth and that's what I'm thinking about right now when it comes to disappointment.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

>realizes that the main protagonist of #FE is suspiciously absent from the spirit list and to my knowledge is the only lord that is absent
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I was thinking to myself last night
"You TMS does come out a day later and Tsubasa is the only one who has a Spirit?"

 

[Ivander]

Max certainly didn't wanted the character and was expecting dante, yet his video was actually quite funny,

For those who don't fit under the extreme example, I'm glad they can handle it respectfully. I sometimes like their posts here. I also liked Max Dood's reaction where he was clearly disappointed but was completely comedic about it.

And despite not wanting them, Max at least acknowledged and respected Sakurai being the one who makes the choices and while he wasn't interested in the Fire Emblem talk in general, he did at one point show interest in Byleth during their moveset showcase, showing that he is still willing to give Byleth a chance rather than flat-out ignore them. Max may not have wanted them, but he did not let his frustration get the better of him and stood on his feet with a calm acceptance. Disappointed, but still respectful. And it allowed him to show excitement when Cuphead and the Fighter's Pass 2 reveal came around.

 

[Deathcarter]

So, something I realized was that the Smash Discord server I was part of was a lot more prepared for Byleth than the common person might have been.

You know how leaks tend to spill out closest to the reveal? Well, my server got a tip off (which came from another server) that FP#5 would be the kind of pick that'd be worth avoiding social media for a whole day for. It came with a prayer that people would look past the character and appreciate the mechanics - and the resigned expection that they would not. So we lowered our expectations, tossing around Steve or Rabbids, but meanwhile, the rest of the internet was still believing in Dante.

That's a hell of a difference in expectations, and I don't know how I would've reacted if I came into the Direct expecting Layton or someone else I was really passionate about, as much as I like Three Houses. Guess plenty of other people do, though.

I figured that the character would be much less hype than Terry after the VGAs came and went without a reveal. It's pretty hard for me to be mad at Byleth when my predictions were already leaning towards more obscure 3rd parties like Adol & KOS-MOS.

 

[N3ON]

Imagine treating a video game character choice as some kind of moral choice that requires deep philosophical reasoning, debate, and criticism.

Y'all have turned Smash into heckin' politics.

I dunno man, last page someone was comparing a Papagenos video to Kubrickian cinematography.

That's not even a video game. That's a guy reacting to a video game.

"In too deep" applies to like... 90% of us.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I was thinking to myself last night
"You TMS does come out a day later and Tsubasa is the only one who has a Spirit?"

I had a TMS ad playing before the direct started and thought "hahaha it couldnt be a fire emblem character.. could it?"

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I was thinking to myself last night
"You TMS does come out a day later and Tsubasa is the only one who has a Spirit?"

I'm not gonna lie I half expected him to be the reveal purely based on that alone.

Can you imagine the salt on that one? It would be enormous, and Itsuki doesn't have a hot female body to fall back on.

 

[Garteam]

Imagine treating a video game character choice as some kind of moral choice that requires deep philosophical reasoning, debate, and criticism.

Y'all have turned Smash into heckin' politics.

If Socrates was alive today, he'd be a Byleth supporter.

 

[MooMew64]

I'm trying not to generalize, but I'm not gonna lie here, chief: After today, I'm debating whether this fanbase even deserves more fighters.

I'm not even upset anymore. Just amazed this has spread to the point where people are trying to say you are objectively wrong for liking a character and a game. That's messed up.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

There's respectful disappointment, then there's what he did. Obviously, not everyone has to fake excitement all the time and disliking a character is totally valid, but he went too far in the opposite direction. Dude literally wrote off EVERYTHING about Byleth solely because of the series he didn't come from. I've had characters I haven't liked in Smash, but it doesn't mean I didn't try to give them a fair shot when analyzing them.

The stupidest part was the "This could've been Monster Hunter!" tangent. First, no it couldn't have been, Byleth's moveset is heavily based around Fire Emblem's gameplay (namely the weapon triangle and the in-universe stats of the weapons). Second, that's definitely not the way things work, and I have no doubt that he knows that as well. The idea of "stealing slots" is extremely stupid, widespread, and justifies a lot of toxicity in the community. He really ought to know better than that.

Also the fact that Sakurai tried his best to represent Dimitiri, Edelgard, and Claude. By giving Byleth their weapon types and the alts. Hell you can swap weapons mid battle in Three Houses, while you can't at all do that in Monster Hunter. If anything Monster Hunter's item system would be a more fiting mechanic like laying down traps or healing yourself.

 

[Icewolff92]

And despite not wanting them, Max at least acknowledged and respected Sakurai being the one who makes the choices and while he wasn't interested in the Fire Emblem talk in general, he did at one point show interest in Byleth during their moveset showcase, showing that he is still willing to give Byleth a chance rather than flat-out ignore them. Max may not have wanted them, but he did not let his frustration get the better of him and stood on his feet with a calm acceptance. Disappointed, but still respectful. And it allowed him to show excitement when Cuphead and the Fighter's Pass 2 reveal came around.

And thats why Max is one of the best in the Brighton game community

 

[SvartWolf]

*gasp* another Lorenz fan?!

Spoiler: But of course

I really dig his timeskip sense of fashion and i think i even like his weird serpentine face that probably is product of years of selective breeding to comply to exaggerated beauty canons to the extreme.

Anyways.. i think that the real crime of no bernardetta spirit battle is the missed chance of using phiranna plant on it.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I'm not gonna lie I half expected him to be the reveal purely based on that alone.

Can you imagine the salt on that one? It would be enormous, and Itsuki doesn't have a hot female body to fall back on.

It would of rival the salt those Reylo supports that John Boyega went to war against on Twitter during the new year.

 

[Deleted member]

And despite not wanting them, Max at least acknowledged and respected Sakurai being the one who makes the choices and while he wasn't interested in the Fire Emblem talk in general, he did at one point show interest in Byleth during their moveset showcase, showing that he is still willing to give Byleth a chance rather than flat-out ignore them. Max may not have wanted them, but he did not let his frustration get the better of him and stood on his feet with a calm acceptance. Disappointed, but still respectful. And it allowed him to show excitement when Cuphead and the Fighter's Pass 2 reveal came around.

He took it with dignity. Eight hours without sleep and a character he didn't want, and all he could feel was egg on his face. He took it so humbly. I honestly felt sad for him.

 

[PhantomShab]

There's respectful disappointment, then there's what he did. Obviously, not everyone has to fake excitement all the time and disliking a character is totally valid, but he went too far in the opposite direction. Dude literally wrote off EVERYTHING about Byleth solely because of the series he didn't come from. I've had characters I haven't liked in Smash, but it doesn't mean I didn't try to give them a fair shot when analyzing them.

The stupidest part was the "This could've been Monster Hunter!" tangent. First, no it couldn't have been, Byleth's moveset is heavily based around Fire Emblem's gameplay (namely the weapon triangle and the in-universe stats of the weapons). Second, that's definitely not the way things work, and I have no doubt that he knows that as well. The idea of "stealing slots" is extremely stupid, widespread, and justifies a lot of toxicity in the community. He really ought to know better than that.

Oh well. If he wasn't interested then no point in pretending. Nobody should have to pretend to care about a Smash newcomer just because some people only want to watch fake soulless "hype". Hell you couldnt pay me to act excited for Byleth lol

 

[Deleted member]

I said it before, I don't mind disappointment. I do mind when people are petty about their disappointment. And that's the big issue some time with the fans that instead of moving on they just keep being angry, making crappy comparisons and insulting the series or selection process.

I feel we can accept people being disappointed, venting a bit and move on, but getting on the same topic over and over gets annoying, we get equaly hoes mad annoying responses and it just ends with the conversation being crap.

If Byleth as fighter 5 is a big issue, we can always move the conversation to fighter 6 and continue speculating. At least we can throw away all the silly theories we had before and move forward.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I was thinking to myself last night
"You TMS does come out a day later and Tsubasa is the only one who has a Spirit?"

Man, I really wanted Tsubasa in Smash. She and the stage possibilities would have added a nice stylishness to the roster.

If Socrates was alive today, he'd be a Byleth supporter.

If Machiavelli was alive today, he would be a Joker supporter. Was reading The Prince earlier cause the Altair costume reminded me to read it again. Fascinating to read.