Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[StarBot]

And if the budget problem is REALLY bad, then reusing assets like an assist trophy and selling them as a playable character would be a solution as well.

Smashboard : “Yes we want to pay for reused content already in the game, because muh epix Waluigi XDDD”

There are also people out there that want Goku and Shrek in Smash.
Should people be forced to respect that as well? Not even Smashboards does, as with the ban on those types of support threads.

PP is a video game character though
One of the biggest thread is for a Question Mark Block and Chain Chop

It’s not “forcing” people to respect it, it’s call being a grown up and learning that unless you can openly disprove these characters can’t get in all, then hush and learn to let people to have there fun

Seriously, comparing Shrek and Goku to actual Mario characters because “huuuur I don’t like them, so it will never happen! You arn’t forcing me to like them”

 

[Megadoomer]

In regards to Bandana Dee: I'm surprised he hasn't made it in yet. He is one of the most requested first party characters and with the Kirby series being one of Sakurai's babies, you would think he would have introduced another Kirby character by now. Especially since we haven't gotten a new Kirby rep since Brawl. I'm guessing it's because Bandana Dee might have been introduced or got bigger as a character after he stopped making the Kirby games? Or in the likely scenario, Bandana Dee may just not be a priority.

Hopefully if we get more first party characters (like a first party pass) which I'm confident in, Bandana Dee is one of the characters to become playable. I'm honestly not a Kirby fan, but I know that Bandana Dee has become a big part of the recent Kirby games, he would make the roster feel more complete, and his fanbase deserves it.

I think part of the problem is that the Kirby series is one of Sakurai's babies, but for one reason or another, he seems hesitant to include any Kirby content that he didn't create, at least outside of music, spirits, and trophies. (he was involved in Kirby's Dream Land, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby Super Star, and Kirby's Air Ride - all of the Kirby playable characters, stages, bosses, items, and even assist trophies and Mii costumes originated from those four games)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There are also people out there that want Goku and Shrek in Smash.
Should people be forced to respect that as well? Not even Smashboards does, as with the ban on those types of support threads.

Goku deserves all the respect in the world cause he beat Freezer how DARE you

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

There are also people out there that want Goku and Shrek in Smash.
Should people be forced to respect that as well? Not even Smashboards does, as with the ban on those types of support threads.

I think you took my post in the wrong context. I was referring to the fact that there are people out there that like the character despite, or because of the wackiness of their nature. That's not very common. I don't get it. I can't play as R.O.B., Wii Fit, or PP because it they're strange movesets.

 

[Guynamednelson]

reused content already in the game,

You mean like when they sold Mii costumes of already playable characters?

Or when the DLC veterans included a headswap character whose specials were already in the game as custom variants? Granted you couldn't give Ness the rope snake or Lucas' A moves.

 

[domriver]

Chain Chomp as FP5 would be pretty cool.

i agree with this.. ... ONLY if its like this though.

She would be a nice character. Could you imagine xD I WOULD MAIN THIS.

 

[Knight Dude]

Smashboard : “Yes we want to pay for reused content already in the game, because muh epix Waluigi XDDD”

Not a Waluigi supporter, but taking a character that was unplayable and making them fully usable would probably make people happy. Heck, people were happy Tanya in MKX being fully playable after being some bonus fighter you could only beat up in the Story mode.

If Chrom was DLC at a lower price I don't think a ton of people would've been mad. Except the Anti-Fire Emblem/Anti-Anime people. Not that we're getting some Assist as a Fully playable character. I'd only believe it when I see it.

Now if we got another Final Smash Cameo as a fully playable fighter like Chrom, that's a slightly different story. Since it happened at least once before.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Not a Waluigi supporter, but taking a character that was unplayable and making them fully usable would probably make people happy. Heck, people were happy Tanya in MKX being fully playable after being some bonus fighter you could only beat up in the Story mode.

If Chrom was DLC at a lower price I don't think a ton of people would've been mad. Except the Anti-Fire Emblem/Anti-Anime people. Not that we're getting some Assist as a Fully playable character. I'd only believe it when I see it.

Now if we got another Final Smash Cameo as a fully playable fighter like Chrom, that's a slightly different story. Since it happened at least once before.

Fiora is typing...

 

[blackghost]

in terms of first party major support for me personally goes to elma, phyra, rabbid mario/peach, three houses, and a metroid hunter.

i dont know what waluigi would or should do, generic enemies like bandana dee are not my forte. i dont know how important banandana dee is to the kirby series.

nintendo has gained a reputation for quality dlc maps, additions, and characters not just in smash but accross most of its games. link and villager in MK, mario kart adding 200cc, breathe of the wild dlc, the anticipated 3houses dlc, smash surprise additions, and splatoon weapons. putting echo characters or assist trophies as playble characters would be a bad move. even if there are characters id like to see playable (black knight, zero, and bomberman)

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Now if we got another Final Smash Cameo as a fully playable fighter like Chrom, that's a slightly different story. Since it happened at least once before.

Boom, all the Phantom thieves in a playable role. I would main Makoto in a heartbeat.

Give me P5Arena Atlus pls.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fiora is typing...

Hm...Imagine if Fiora became an Echo Fighter of Elma. I'd like the inclusion as much as I'd hate the spoileryness of it. Though I suppose the damage has already been done in that aspect...

EDIT: A lot of her properties would have to change too since very few if any of their arts would match up, and Fiora doesn't have access to Overdrive or soul Voices. That means she could still add something unique whilst being an Echo Fighter.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hm...Imagine if Fiora became an Echo Fighter of Elma. I'd like the inclusion as much as I'd hate the spoileryness of it. Though I suppose the damage has already been done in that aspect...

EDIT: A lot of her properties would have to change too since very few if any of their arts would match up, and Fiora doesn't have access to Overdrive or soul Voices. That means she could still add something unique whilst being an Echo Fighter.

If Lucina can copy Marth's arts, Fiora can copy Elma's. At least the ones that don't involve Dual Guns. They can also go the Chrom/Ken route and differentiate her by not using the Overdrive/Soul Voices.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If Lucina can copy Marth's arts, Fiora can copy Elma's. At least the ones that don't involve Dual Guns. They can also go the Chrom/Ken route and differentiate her by not using the Overdrive/Soul Voices.

I could see that working. Any special attacks related to Overdrive or Soul Voices should probably be replaced with her customizable Drones since that's what makes her unique among the Xenoblade Chronicles characters. The removal of Dual Gun related attacks would also make her unique as a fighter.

Dang now I'm excited for something like this.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Yeah, I don't get why some people default to this idea that future seasons of content will be based around re-used content. Like, is there some reason to really expect Nintendo to go cheap with future DLC when they're making money hand over fist to begin with Smash DLC?

 

[ZelDan]

Hm...Imagine if Fiora became an Echo Fighter of Elma. I'd like the inclusion as much as I'd hate the spoileryness of it. Though I suppose the damage has already been done in that aspect...

EDIT: A lot of her properties would have to change too since very few if any of their arts would match up, and Fiora doesn't have access to Overdrive or soul Voices. That means she could still add something unique whilst being an Echo Fighter.

I haven't played XC1 or XBX in a while, but, is Fiora being an echo of Elma even possible? Do they have similar moves or does Fiora use both guns and a sword?

 

[Knight Dude]

Yeah, if Fiora was one of those characters that pulled a Chrom, I'd be happy too. Though obviously, I've got even more interest in it happening to Mega Man X or another Blue Bomber.

I haven't played XC1 or XBX in a while, but, is Fiora being an echo of Elma even possible? Do they have similar moves or does Fiora use both guns and a sword?

Without giving too much away.

Spoiler

Fiora uses twin swords and laser guns.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I haven't played XC1 or XBX in a while, but, is Fiora being an echo of Elma even possible? Do they have similar moves or does Fiora use both guns and a sword?

Never played Xenoblade but I know that in X Zone Fiora does use both a guns and a sword.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Never played Xenoblade but I know that in X Zone Fiora does use both a guns and a sword.

they're more like drones if anything. XCX has Psycho Launchers which operate similarly to Fiora's Laser Drones.

 

[Knight Dude]

On a similar note, Unknown in Tekken Tag 2 I think was made into DLC later. So were the already made Cyclops and Colossus in MUA3. And Black Manta in Injustice 2, Martian Manhunter in Injustice 1, Gill and Kolin in SF5.

So stuff like this is fairly common in other games. Again, I personally DON'T think it'll happen to Assist Trophies in this title, but just as examples of games taking Non-playable characters and adding them in later.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah, I don't get why some people default to this idea that future seasons of content will be based around re-used content.

Frankly I think people are exaggerating how many assets can be recycled with a promoted AT. They need higher quality models, plenty more moves, etc. Really the only corner that'd be cut is licensing (and making a stage/remixes if they're from an already represented series).

 

[wynn728]

In regards to Bandana Dee: I'm surprised he hasn't made it in yet. He is one of the most requested first party characters and with the Kirby series being one of Sakurai's babies, you would think he would have introduced another Kirby character by now. Especially since we haven't gotten a new Kirby rep since Brawl. I'm guessing it's because Bandana Dee might have been introduced or got bigger as a character after he stopped making the Kirby games? Or in the likely scenario, Bandana Dee may just not be a priority.

Hopefully if we get more first party characters (like a first party pass) which I'm confident in, Bandana Dee is one of the characters to become playable. I'm honestly not a Kirby fan, but I know that Bandana Dee has become a big part of the recent Kirby games, he would make the roster feel more complete, and his fanbase deserves it.

It's definitely a bias thing. Looking at how Kirby is represented majority of content comes from games Sakurai made. It feels like you got to twist Sakurai arm in order to include anything other Kirby content that wasn't made by him. Plus if Sakurai rather had put in a generic enemy instead of a character that people have been asking for that fit his arbitrary requirements then yeah, that character has zero priority of ever getting into Smash Bros, just like every other Nintendo character out there.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yeah, if Fiora was one of those characters that pulled a Chrom, I'd be happy too. Though obviously, I've got even more interest in it happening to Mega Man X or another Blue Bomber.

Man, the pipe dream would be getting Hub or Geo in Smash, they have so many different moves and super modes that they could have great movesets in smash.

But we all know that if any of the Megamen is getting upgraded it's X.

 

[XorahnGaia]

I don't want to look too deep into this, but if what Sakurai says is true then wouldn't this increase the possibility of a first party character as DLC?
First party characters don't require long negotiations with other companies and all the revenue is guaranteed to go to the team. And if the budget problem is REALLY bad, then reusing assets like an assist trophy and selling them as a playable character would be a solution as well.

I don't know if promoting AT would really be much different than starting from scratch. The only real advantage they have is already having a model (which are not high quality to begin with.) They still have to design a moveset around them and such.

And I'll admit I'm extremely biased on this topic, but I think if they really had a such a slim budget they wouldn't have done more DLCs in the first place, or at very least if it was low enough to affect their character choices.
I'll concede that with this being the third time Sakurai has brought the apparently low budget they have to work with that it can't be ignored entirely though.
Finally, i think that while we'll see more first party characters eventually, I think that the only eventuality in which we got only Nintendo characters is that in which there really are only 2-3 extra characters.

The "new worlds" may have been a mistranslation, but from the context Sakurai still showed interest in doing "more collaborations"(I'm surprised no one checked the original meaning of this phrase, though I may have missed it) and it has said in the past how he appreciates that Smash has become more of a general videogame crossover and it's not limited to only Nintendo anymore. And he said those things on both the September direct and at his Famitsu column about the extra DLCs , without mention budget at all.

 

[StarBot]

You mean like when they sold Mii costumes of already playable characters?

Or when the DLC veterans included a headswap character whose specials were already in the game as custom variants? Granted you couldn't give Ness the rope snake or Lucas' A moves.

Never once implied that these was okay
Especially the Mii costumes, I don’t care they are only few cents, I hate how Nintendo handle them

 

[Knight Dude]

Yeah, I don't get why some people default to this idea that future seasons of content will be based around re-used content. Like, is there some reason to really expect Nintendo to go cheap with future DLC when they're making money hand over fist to begin with Smash DLC?

I doubt it will as well. I was only making a case that IF some character got the Black Manta/Tanya treatment, not too many people would be upset. Worst comes to worst, you'll have people complain that THEIR personal choice didn't get said treatment, but how is that any different than normal?

Man, the pipe dream would be getting Hub or Geo in Smash, they have so many different moves and super modes that they could have great movesets in smash.

But we all know that if any of the Megamen is getting upgraded it's X.

Mega Man X might be my personal favorite, but let it be known Geo and .EXE are also really ****ing hype and I would be ecstatic if either got in. I even made a moveset for Geo because of it. He's probably the most underrated Mega Man cause he's a damn HERO.

 

[lordvaati]

No, it wouldn't. I would be Piranha Plant II. The sequel to the worst roster pick in the history of Smash.

That's a funny way to spell Dark Pit.

 

[KillerCage]

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

 

[Knight Dude]

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

Not on this particular thread. But Merry Christmas Eve and Happy Holidays fam.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, if Fiora was one of those characters that pulled a Chrom, I'd be happy too. Though obviously, I've got even more interest in it happening to Mega Man X or another Blue Bomber.

The other instances of Mega Man are much taller than Mega Man's current design in Smash. Proto Man and Bass could work though since they're all the same height and build in Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10. Bass would look super weird though.

I was also going to suggest that Mega Man X and Zero be echo fighters of each other but then I remembered they don't even receive the same weapons so I don't think that be a good idea.

That's a funny way to spell Dark Pit.

Oh please, he's a recolor they decided to give a few seconds of coding and animation to. I don't think there is a "worst" roster pick, but I don't think the character they likely made in an afternoon should even be in the running.

EDIT: Sorry, that was a bit hostile. I just think Dark Pit gets a lot more flack than he deserves.

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

My hat absorbed it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

Who needs that when we can complain about DLC ideas that would only make Nintendo slightly less money?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

People are probably busy traveling and decorating and wrapping presents and baking and such, so a lot less people are online.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Today is Christmas eve!

Where is the holiday cheer?

Everyone's been bad this year and had been taken away by Krampus.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Seriously, comparing Shrek and Goku to actual Mario characters because “huuuur I don’t like them, so it will never happen! You arn’t forcing me to like them”

"Actual Mario characters"
*referring to Question Mark Block*

Uhhh okay?

 

[Fenriraga]

"Actual Mario characters"
*referring to Question Mark Block*

Uhhh okay?

Hey, if we're going by original SMB logic, all those blocks are Toads transformed by magic.

You monster.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hey, if we're going by original SMB logic, all those blocks are Toads transformed by magic.

You monster.

You genius! You figured it out. This is how Toad can still get in Smash!

 

[Deleted member]

When it comes to low budget characters I feel like shantae classifies as one of them
I mean
-her spirit is in the game so i don’t think it would cost that much to use her again
-WF is an indie company so I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be that expensive even with them supporting her hard during smash 4
-most of the 3rd parties are from big company’s like Microsoft,square,etc I’m guessing it Would use a big budget. And again I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t for an indie company

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I noticed some lamenting the lack of Holiday cheer on this thread. One thing I would like to note is that Brawl in the Family has always been a gem when it comes to Christmas Nintendo content.

Spoiler

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I noticed some lamenting the lack of Holiday cheer on this thread. One thing I would like to note is that Brawl in the Family has always been a gem when it comes to Christmas Nintendo content.

Spoiler

You forgot the best one.

Hark how they WA!
All seem to WA!
Joining in rhyme
Waluigi time!
Christmas is here
Presents are here
to only me
Waluigi

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

PP is one of my favorite cause I always viewed every Pokemon(bar Lucario. Mewtwo is close, but only takes a few notes from the anime, though there's no denying its popularity there helped get it into Smash too) as being basically the generic but popular species being done. I wasn't even surprised. I'd have believed they were meant to be "unique characters" if the bios in Smash 64 didn't literally use their Pokedex entry. And Pikachu wasn't "male" so much as "has no other design". It got a female alt in Ultimate as well, further removing the defining idea it's supposed to be Ash's Pikachu(which it was clearly inspired from, but that's about it). A lot of Pokemon are inspired by the anime, but the only one heavily focused on it was Lucario at best. The rest just takes notes if anything. Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Incineroar have no notes from the anime at all. Greninja didn't till Ultimate, and that's after Ash-Greninja became hyper popular enough to make it into the core games(being the first time Ash is in the regular canon in some way, even by proxy).

I hope we get more characters like PP at some point. They're awesome and contains tons of cool moveset potential. Plus, many know by now I don't buy the poor argument it's not a character when the only thing a character is is any being in a fictional work. Some just lack characterization(which PP clearly does not, being a combination of more than one species. Not too different from OOT Link having the Boomerang, Upthrust, and Downthrust. I'd like to note Mario using the Fireball, which isn't possible in Super Mario 64, the first platforming game to remove that ability too, but it's not like there's more than one Mario anyway in the series). There's a plethora of choices to begin with. Shy Guy is one of my favorite options for a Yoshi character(Kamek being the other, but due to its weird naming issues where Magikoopa and Kameks aren't really different names in total, actually getting the specific Yoshi-related character is harder for people to get. Similar issue with Toad, but the original core one is more known than Kamek being separated from Maigkoopas. Also worth noting Toad has a different color set for the main one, while Kamek and the Magikoopa race are identical. I'm aware Yoshi is the same way, but he was separately playable in his own game, so it's easier to tell it's a particular person in comparison).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

FP5 is Christmas related, meaning it's Shovel Knight as my sister and her boyfriend got me that for Christmas