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Geno still got traction despite being even more deconfirmed only because he is technically third-party.
I don’t see how that disconfirms him.

Regarding Isaac, even after he got shown off as an AT, there were still people including him alongside the other longtime requests and noting how it sucks his AT was shown off late in basegame speculation since his absence got everyone’s hopes up.

edit: fixed what I meant to say at the end, good gosh my scrambled brain.
 
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I have to imagine that the lack of Namco content is due to them being modest. They’re developing the game, so they don’t want to seem biased for their own properties.

Hopefully Sakurai’s convinced them other wise. Heihachi, Chosen Undead & a Tales Rep would all be cool.
 
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I still maintain that the fate of many characters relies on whether or not spirits disconfirm characters. I don’t mean that in the sense that adding a .png file of a character would literally prevent the devs from adding them, but more in terms of the “vision” of the game.

When first revealed, Sakurai kinda sorta implies that spirits were added to bring more characters into the game (need to get that exact quote). This is why we see Green Diddy Kong coming in as Grookey now, or Dr. Mario covering as Hal Emmerich from Metal Gear.

We’ll probably need a harder disconfirmation to truly put it to rest, but I’m not all that convinced that they’re even in play.

It’s whatever though. I think there are mighty fine choices if you look outside of characters already in Smash.
 
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It's VR. That's reason enough. There's plenty of anti-VR sentiment out there and even the Half life friends I have are more keen on brushing Alyx off because of it.
sorry bro I’m just brain dead
Tfw you've played all of the series from the Fighter Pass.

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im gonna laugh at you when the final character added to the fighters pass is Scrooge McDuck from the DuckTales game
 

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I still maintain that the fate of many characters relies on whether or not spirits disconfirm characters. I don’t mean that in the sense that adding a .png file of a character would literally prevent the devs from adding them, but more in terms of the “vision” of the game.

When first revealed, Sakurai kinda sorta implies that spirits were added to bring more characters into the game (need to get that exact quote). This is why we see Green Diddy Kong coming in as Grookey now, or Dr. Mario covering as Hal Emmerich from Metal Gear.

We’ll probably need a harder disconfirmation to truly put it to rest, but I’m not all that convinced that they’re even in play.

It’s whatever though. I think there are mighty fine choices if you look outside of characters already in Smash.
The Sandbag spirit battle is meant to be a Home Run Contest simulator. We still got the real mode later on.

I understand why this hasn't been brought up at all, because I doubt many have played this spirit battle. You need to unlock it from a challenge to make it show up on the spirit board, it's not part of WoL, and you don't need to play it to have a Sandbag spirit.
 

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When first revealed, Sakurai kinda sorta implies that spirits were added to bring more characters into the game (need to get that exact quote). This is why we see Green Diddy Kong coming in as Grookey now, or Dr. Mario covering as Hal Emmerich from Metal Gear.
I'm pretty sure he just said that because it was right after he revealed that Trophies were not returning, and so Spirits were added as a way to fill the gap that Trophies filled in previous games in terms of still including non-fighters in Smash.
 
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Spirits have to pull quadruple duty, covering for trophies, stickers, event matches and adventure mode.

If even only the Fighters had a quick blurb then I'd say the cover most of that
 

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Spirits have to pull quadruple duty, covering for trophies, stickers, event matches and adventure mode.

If even only the Fighters had a quick blurb then I'd say the cover most of that
Not taking a stance on this either way, but my hypothesis is that Sakurai and the dev team probably used the same rationale they used to not bring the Subspace Emissary, specifically story mode cutscenes, back in Smash 4, in that they probably thought that people just use the Internet for everything nowadays anyway and it would be pointless for them to put in so much effort for something that everyone would just be able to Google.

Also probably was the cost of bringing back every character.
 
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I'm sure y'all know by now how much I want 2B in Smash and how I think she totally has a shot and why. But I just thought about how bonkers that Smash direct would be if Yoko made a guest appearance like:


Between Sakurai's sass and Yoko's, ummm... eccentricities, we'll have jokes for days. Yoko's "Sakurai is a Warrior of Light" comment reminded me of Galeem and Dharkon, and I'd love to see their chemistry. Just a silly hot mess between two passionate madmen who don't give a darn.
 
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One thing I was thinking about...these aren't necessarily "rules" but observations about this last Fighter Pass Pick.

1) We've only got one Nintendo newcomer as DLC between two Smash games with DLC (Smash 4/Ultimate)
2) Each other character has been from a different company of origin in their respective DLC batch
3) Each character has had 0 presence in Smash prior

With these things in mind, I think it's probable (not confirmed) that Pick #5 will be from a company without a character in this pass, and from a series that has no current representation. So for example, Square Enix already has Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter is already in the game, so for the sake of argument we'll consider other series from Square Enix and Monster Hunter out of the running for Pick #5.

Companies that are potentially in the running, but have no playable characters in the current Fighter Pass:
1) Capcom
2) Namco Bandai
3) Bethesda
4) Ubisoft
5) Level 5
6) Konami
7) Activision/Blizzard
(I'm probably missing some others, but I can always edit later)
Based on that, the following series would be eligible for addition if those criteria apply
Capcom: Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Okami, Ace Attorney
Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Konami: Silent Hill (?)
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed
Bethesda: DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Fallout
Level 5: Professor Layton, Yokai Watch
Activision/Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Overwatch, Warcraft maybe?
Among those I listed, there are some smaller series, some series that appeal more to a Japanese audience, some that appeal more to the West, to everybody, etc...

I would say, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry make a good amount of sense considering what they are overall. For Namco, while I don't think Heihachi or Lloyd would be bad for TGA, I don't think they'd get the biggest reaction. I DO however, think Dark Souls is a "dark horse" series that has been suggested to me as a "faux-western" series that has really become popular recently.

Furthermore, I feel as though Assassin's Creed is slept on. It's an enormous series that would be utterly unexpected at this point. Everybody focuses on DOOM from Bethesda, but while I don't actually think Fallout will be in Smash, I don't think it's wise to sleep on the Dragonborn. Leakers have effectively disconfirmed Crash and Tracer, and I personally don't think either Layton or Jibanyan would be great TGA reveals...and frankly I don't know that Yokai Watch stands much of a chance with the sudden downfall it experienced.

If you ask me? Something in my gut tells me it's Leon Kennedy, Dante, Dark Souls, or Ezio.

What do you guys think?
 
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One thing I was thinking about...these aren't necessarily "rules" but observations about this last Fighter Pass Pick.

1) We've only got one Nintendo newcomer as DLC
2) Each other character has been from a different company of origin in their respective DLC batch
3) Each character has had 0 presence in Smash prior
You include Plant in your observations but forget it has had presence in Smash before.

Anyway, I don't know what to think about who the next character could be so I'll just patiently wait for a reveal.
 

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I honestly don't think it's that crazy. Half-Life hasn't had a game in literally 15 years. If someone is like, 20, it's not unreasonable for them to not have heard of Half-Life, especially if they were a console-only gamer.
Yes, it is unreasonable. Because even if you haven't played it, it's still one of the most famous and widely regarded games in history.

I'm too young to have played Pong, but I still know wtf it is.

"Known by everyone over the age of 10" is not a niche.
 
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Based on that, the following series would be eligible for addition if those criteria apply
Capcom: Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Okami, Ace Attorney
Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Konami: Silent Hill (?)
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed
Bethesda: DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Fallout
Level 5: Professor Layton, Yokai Watch
Activision/Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Tracer, Warcraft maybe?
Tracer is a series?
 
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With these things in mind, I think it's probable (not confirmed) that Pick #5 will be from a company without a character in this pass, and from a series that has no current representation. So for example, Square Enix already has Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter is already in the game, so for the sake of argument we'll consider other series from Square Enix and Monster Hunter out of the running for Pick #5.

Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Cue the absolute worst argument I've ever seen for why a certain character can't be in Smash: "Heihachi is already deconfirmed because he makes a cameo in Pac-Man's Up Taunt".
 
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Surely Half Life has stayed relevant through Half Life 3 memes.
 

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You include Plant in your observations but forget it has had presence in Smash before.

Anyway, I don't know what to think about who the next character could be so I'll just patiently wait for a reveal.
Plant isn't a part of the Fighter Pass. That's why I didn't include it. I was referring to Corrin in Wii U.
 
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As I edited it in after you quoted, I could have explained it better. But I wasn't referring to Piranha Plant. I was referring to Corrin in Wii U, as they're the only Nintendo newcomer among DLC. I don't view Plant the same way, as he was free for a limited time an appears to have been planned as a base roster pick pushed back.

But anyway. My point has been edited.
 

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If you ask me? Something in my gut tells me it's Leon Kennedy, Dante, Dark Souls, or Ezio.

What do you guys think?
I'm still thinking Jill and not Leon. I don't see the rationale for Leon with R3Make coming. Sure, Leon's popular, but why put him in the game when you could put Jill, who can be used to hype the remake and is also an original S.T.A.R.S member? Yeah they put Joker in, but the original Persona isn't even comparable to RE1. Not to mention she's just super iconic for survival horror.

Yes, it is unreasonable. Because even if you haven't played it's still one of the most famous and wide;y regarded games in history.

I'm too young to have played Pong, but I still know wtf it is.

"Known by everyone over the age of 10" is not a niche.
If you honestly think Half-Life is on the same level as Pong, you're crazy. Besides, I still think it's easily possible for a console gamer to be completely unaware of Half-Life.
 

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I'm still thinking Jill and not Leon. I don't see the rationale for Leon with R3Make coming. Sure, Leon's popular, but why put him in the game when you could put Jill, who can be used to hype the remake and is also an original S.T.A.R.S member? Yeah they put Joker in, but the original Persona isn't even comparable to RE1. Not to mention she's just super iconic for survival horror.


If you honestly think Half-Life is on the same level as Pong, you're crazy. Besides, I still think it's easily possible for a console gamer to be completely unaware of Half-Life.
To be honest, I’m totally down with Jill. I think she or Leon are the two best Resident Evil choices out of the whole group.

Especially because if it’s Jill, we can get a Nemesis stage hazard, which has the potential to be hilarious.
 

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Broke: Tekken needs a rep in Smash.

Woke: Heihachi is already technically playable and a representative of Tekken in Smash through Pac-Man's up taunt.
 

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I'm still thinking Jill and not Leon. I don't see the rationale for Leon with R3Make coming. Sure, Leon's popular, but why put him in the game when you could put Jill, who can be used to hype the remake and is also an original S.T.A.R.S member? Yeah they put Joker in, but the original Persona isn't even comparable to RE1. Not to mention she's just super iconic for survival horror.
Eh, I could go either way, but Leon has the edge just because we might get the bingo quote along with him.
 

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Leon/Jill seem like the most likely just from fan demand alone (sorry Chris). And if RE3make does get announced at TGA it would be great way to transition that reveal to a smash trailer, and since RE2make is one of the nominees it would be interesting to see which one of them be the alt costume. Only time will tell....
 
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I'm still thinking Jill and not Leon. I don't see the rationale for Leon with R3Make coming. Sure, Leon's popular, but why put him in the game when you could put Jill, who can be used to hype the remake and is also an original S.T.A.R.S member? Yeah they put Joker in, but the original Persona isn't even comparable to RE1. Not to mention she's just super iconic for survival horror.
Jill's design is probably my favorite out of the bunch. You have her STARS uniform with the silly blue beret, and then you have the more casual design from RE 3 which just looks nice.

Not sure about RE 5 but we can ignore that one.

Not to **** on Leon or Chris but their typical soldier or cop outfit doesn't do it for me. Looks to serious in a campy series.
 
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I wish Sakurai would talk about what other content (ie non-fighters) the Smash ballot affected. I feel like Isaac’s ballot performance must’ve been why he went from absent in 4 to revamped and expanded into a Mii Costume. I imagine Nintendo of Japan was probably at a loss as to why he did so well in the first place.
I feel that Assist Trophies were influenced by the ballot too as seen with the likes of Black Knight, Shovel Knight and Zero. Hell, a friend of mine came up with a theory that a lot of 4 star spirits were made 4 stars to acknowledge their fans, as seen with the likes of Geno and again, Zero. Hell, they even chose to have Zero segue into the AT section during the August Smash direcy
 

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I don't think paying that much attention to the timing of new games and newcomers is really that worth it. I mean, yeah of course, that always helps but we have Joker which of course wasn't promoting a spin-off game for an almost dead console (Persona Q2 on 3DS) neither was promoting the upcoming Scramble game which doesn't release until 2020.
Even worse for Banjo, and a similar case for Terry.

Hero would be the only exception, DQXI came out 2-3 months after his appearance in Smash, but that's it and of course I think it was more of a coincidence that anything else.

For that reason if Sakurai and Nintendo decided DLC at the end of last year, I don't think they would be considering the window release for RE2make or RE3make if they picked a Resident Evil character. Capcom would be more interested in that but of course they don't decide when the DLC characters are released.
If Sakurai goes to Capcom and wants to add Chris as our RE rep then it would be Chris, he wouldn't care if Chris doesn't even appear in the next Resident Evil games.

Also, I honestly doubt RE3make will release next year. Maybe it will be announced next year but beyond that, nothing more I think. I mean RE2make is very recent and I doubt they would release another remake after 2. If I was Capcom I would save RE3make for a little longer because it's a remake of a beloved and iconic game. I wouldn't "waste" the RE3make card so early.
 
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2) Multiple characters can be tied to different colors. For example, in Smash Wii U Roy got a green background. There may be something I’m missing, but I wouldn’t have associated green with him, but somebody else. Likewise, there really isn’t any precise way to say, “They haven’t used green for the Fighter Pass, and green means X, Y, and Z!”
Roy still has the green background for Ultimate if you look on his page. Similarly, Ken has Gray.

The only reason for the color is aesthetics and particularly it's why Crash wouldn't be orange because it would clash with his base design quite a bit. That's why he's almost universally placed in a blue background
 

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I'm sure y'all know by now how much I want 2B in Smash and how I think she totally has a shot and why. But I just thought about how bonkers that Smash direct would be if Yoko made a guest appearance like:


Between Sakurai's sass and Yoko's, ummm... eccentricities, we'll have jokes for days. Yoko's "Sakurai is a Warrior of Light" comment reminded me of Galeem and Dharkon, and I'd love to see their chemistry. Just a silly hot mess between two passionate madmen who don't give a darn.
Have that mofo float down like the CEO boss battle and then they comment on how that took all of the direct's budget.


 
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Yes, it is unreasonable. Because even if you haven't played it's still one of the most famous and wide;y regarded games in history.

I'm too young to have played Pong, but I still know wtf it is.

"Known by everyone over the age of 10" is not a niche.
Look, the Half-Life series is incredibly influential, and has played a pretty big part in shaping game history as we know it today, but Pong? That's one of the founding fathers of ALL games, period. It's in the friggin' Smithsonian for crying out loud. It's perfectly reasonable to understand that the cultural cornerstone of video game history is more recognizable than Half-Life. I wouldn't say it's a fair comparison.
 
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As I edited it in after you quoted, I could have explained it better. But I wasn't referring to Piranha Plant. I was referring to Corrin in Wii U, as they're the only Nintendo newcomer among DLC. I don't view Plant the same way, as he was free for a limited time an appears to have been planned as a base roster pick pushed back.

But anyway. My point has been edited.
I'd still say you should count Plant as a DLC character. We have no confirmation that Piranha Plant was intended for the base roster from Sakurai, and having 2 Nintendo characters relative to the 7 3rd parties doesn't really harm your point that the last Fighter's Pass character is probably a 3rd party.

It's weird, because at this point having a Nintendo character as the final Fighter's Pass character would be more unexpected than the vast majority of 3rd party choices.
 
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Color theory is arguably, to me, a “nothing burger”. It’s only something looked at as plausible after the fact.

Like sure, maybe the last character will be given a different color. But the problem with it comes down to a few different points:

1) It’s based on the website colors, which are only really connected to the amiibo packaging, not the game

2) Multiple characters can be tied to different colors. For example, in Smash Wii U Roy got a green background. There may be something I’m missing, but I wouldn’t have associated green with him, but somebody else. Likewise, there really isn’t any precise way to say, “They haven’t used green for the Fighter Pass, and green means X, Y, and Z!”

Color theory isn’t going to give us a better idea of pick 5.
1. Website coloring and character choice were never correlated to be exact. If the devs thought of the random color mix, it would be all their decisions. It was never the intention of teh developers to follow a specific color trend; they can just utilize whoever they want. Patterns like this are easily just fan-rules, though the general consensus is that anyone can safely be in the game.

2. Even though I haven't played much of Binding Blade, I personally do say that teh green background of Roy has no correlation to his actual character. IT's all just fan rules.

If I were you all, you should probably just speculate freely. It's your wants, and that.
 

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One thing I was thinking about...these aren't necessarily "rules" but observations about this last Fighter Pass Pick.

1) We've only got one Nintendo newcomer as DLC between two Smash games with DLC (Smash 4/Ultimate)
2) Each other character has been from a different company of origin in their respective DLC batch
3) Each character has had 0 presence in Smash prior

With these things in mind, I think it's probable (not confirmed) that Pick #5 will be from a company without a character in this pass, and from a series that has no current representation. So for example, Square Enix already has Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter is already in the game, so for the sake of argument we'll consider other series from Square Enix and Monster Hunter out of the running for Pick #5.

Companies that are potentially in the running, but have no playable characters in the current Fighter Pass:
1) Capcom
2) Namco Bandai
3) Bethesda
4) Ubisoft
5) Level 5
6) Konami
7) Activision/Blizzard
(I'm probably missing some others, but I can always edit later)
Based on that, the following series would be eligible for addition if those criteria apply
Capcom: Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Okami, Ace Attorney
Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Konami: Silent Hill (?)
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed
Bethesda: DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Fallout
Level 5: Professor Layton, Yokai Watch
Activision/Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Overwatch, Warcraft maybe?
Among those I listed, there are some smaller series, some series that appeal more to a Japanese audience, some that appeal more to the West, to everybody, etc...

I would say, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry make a good amount of sense considering what they are overall. For Namco, while I don't think Heihachi or Lloyd would be bad for TGA, I don't think they'd get the biggest reaction. I DO however, think Dark Souls is a "dark horse" series that has been suggested to me as a "faux-western" series that has really become popular recently.

Furthermore, I feel as though Assassin's Creed is slept on. It's an enormous series that would be utterly unexpected at this point. Everybody focuses on DOOM from Bethesda, but while I don't actually think Fallout will be in Smash, I don't think it's wise to sleep on the Dragonborn. Leakers have effectively disconfirmed Crash and Tracer, and I personally don't think either Layton or Jibanyan would be great TGA reveals...and frankly I don't know that Yokai Watch stands much of a chance with the sudden downfall it experienced.

If you ask me? Something in my gut tells me it's Leon Kennedy, Dante, Dark Souls, or Ezio.

What do you guys think?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone in the high ranks either the CEO or the Executive Director for DMC said Dante wouldn't be in Smash when someone asked. If I'm wrong that's fine, I don't want to bring anybody's choice character down, I just thought that because of that, if he was in, it would be in FP2, not FP1.

Also for who I think will be the 5th fighter, as much as I'm holding out hope for Ammy, I honestly think it's Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Wars considering that the new Sakura Wars game releases on the same day as the VGA.

That doesn't mean she's for certain, but it would give Sakura Wars a good introduction to those who haven't played it/know much about it/forgot about it, and increase hype for their game.

Their last main series game was released in Japan 2005 for PS2, and 2010 in the west for PS2 and Wii
 
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One thing I was thinking about...these aren't necessarily "rules" but observations about this last Fighter Pass Pick.

1) We've only got one Nintendo newcomer as DLC between two Smash games with DLC (Smash 4/Ultimate)
2) Each other character has been from a different company of origin in their respective DLC batch
3) Each character has had 0 presence in Smash prior

With these things in mind, I think it's probable (not confirmed) that Pick #5 will be from a company without a character in this pass, and from a series that has no current representation. So for example, Square Enix already has Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter is already in the game, so for the sake of argument we'll consider other series from Square Enix and Monster Hunter out of the running for Pick #5.

Companies that are potentially in the running, but have no playable characters in the current Fighter Pass:
1) Capcom
2) Namco Bandai
3) Bethesda
4) Ubisoft
5) Level 5
6) Konami
7) Activision/Blizzard
(I'm probably missing some others, but I can always edit later)
Based on that, the following series would be eligible for addition if those criteria apply
Capcom: Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Okami, Ace Attorney
Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Konami: Silent Hill (?)
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed
Bethesda: DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Fallout
Level 5: Professor Layton, Yokai Watch
Activision/Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Overwatch, Warcraft maybe?
Among those I listed, there are some smaller series, some series that appeal more to a Japanese audience, some that appeal more to the West, to everybody, etc...

I would say, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry make a good amount of sense considering what they are overall. For Namco, while I don't think Heihachi or Lloyd would be bad for TGA, I don't think they'd get the biggest reaction. I DO however, think Dark Souls is a "dark horse" series that has been suggested to me as a "faux-western" series that has really become popular recently.

Furthermore, I feel as though Assassin's Creed is slept on. It's an enormous series that would be utterly unexpected at this point. Everybody focuses on DOOM from Bethesda, but while I don't actually think Fallout will be in Smash, I don't think it's wise to sleep on the Dragonborn. Leakers have effectively disconfirmed Crash and Tracer, and I personally don't think either Layton or Jibanyan would be great TGA reveals...and frankly I don't know that Yokai Watch stands much of a chance with the sudden downfall it experienced.

If you ask me? Something in my gut tells me it's Leon Kennedy, Dante, Dark Souls, or Ezio.

What do you guys think?
All solid theories I can get behind. Those character choices would make sense to showcase during a western focused gaming event, and would generate a lot of buzz. My personal pick that I think seems likely out of all of those is a surprise Bamco rep; I'm thinking Dark Souls or Heihachi.

But, if I'm talking about my own desires...

Okay, not to be rude, and this is totally just my opinion and personal tastes, but I honestly hope it's none of the characters you suggested, barring Heihachi or Lloyd. I'm personally not a huge M-rated games kinda guy (I play very few of them), so ending the pass on those characters would bum me out, I'm not gonna lie. I'd be happy for others of course, but, man, I hope it's Lloyd. Lloyd would make me so gosh dang happy; literally anything Tales of would. Heihachi would be awesome too.
 

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I don't play zombie games at all, so getting a RE character would just be "Eh ok guess we have them" to me, but more power to the supporters if you get Jill, Leon, or Chris as the 5th fighter.

Dante would be just be a tiny bit better than alright to me, but Terry surprised me with how much I liked his moveset, who's to say Dante couldn't do the same. That also applies to RE characters, but if it's between them and Dante, I would choose Dante.
 

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Look, the Half-Life series is incredibly influential, and has played a pretty big part in shaping game history as we know it today, but Pong? That's one of the founding fathers of ALL games, period. It's in the friggin' Smithsonian for crying out loud. It's perfectly reasonable to understand that the cultural cornerstone of video game history is more recognizable than Half-Life. I wouldn't say it's a fair comparison.
It's the only comparison I can make for "20-year-old gamer that somehow doesn't know what Half-Life is" because I'm 40 and Pong is literally, like, the only video game in existence that's "before my time".

Pac-Man? Donkey Kong? I was already gaming when those things were new. I owned them both on my Atari 2600.
 
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One thing I was thinking about...these aren't necessarily "rules" but observations about this last Fighter Pass Pick.

1) We've only got one Nintendo newcomer as DLC between two Smash games with DLC (Smash 4/Ultimate)
2) Each other character has been from a different company of origin in their respective DLC batch
3) Each character has had 0 presence in Smash prior

With these things in mind, I think it's probable (not confirmed) that Pick #5 will be from a company without a character in this pass, and from a series that has no current representation. So for example, Square Enix already has Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter is already in the game, so for the sake of argument we'll consider other series from Square Enix and Monster Hunter out of the running for Pick #5.

Companies that are potentially in the running, but have no playable characters in the current Fighter Pass:
1) Capcom
2) Namco Bandai
3) Bethesda
4) Ubisoft
5) Level 5
6) Konami
7) Activision/Blizzard
(I'm probably missing some others, but I can always edit later)
Based on that, the following series would be eligible for addition if those criteria apply
Capcom: Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Okami, Ace Attorney
Namco: Tales of, Tekken, Dark Souls
Konami: Silent Hill (?)
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed
Bethesda: DOOM, Elder Scrolls, Fallout
Level 5: Professor Layton, Yokai Watch
Activision/Blizzard: Crash Bandicoot, Overwatch, Warcraft maybe?
Among those I listed, there are some smaller series, some series that appeal more to a Japanese audience, some that appeal more to the West, to everybody, etc...

I would say, Resident Evil and Devil May Cry make a good amount of sense considering what they are overall. For Namco, while I don't think Heihachi or Lloyd would be bad for TGA, I don't think they'd get the biggest reaction. I DO however, think Dark Souls is a "dark horse" series that has been suggested to me as a "faux-western" series that has really become popular recently.

Furthermore, I feel as though Assassin's Creed is slept on. It's an enormous series that would be utterly unexpected at this point. Everybody focuses on DOOM from Bethesda, but while I don't actually think Fallout will be in Smash, I don't think it's wise to sleep on the Dragonborn. Leakers have effectively disconfirmed Crash and Tracer, and I personally don't think either Layton or Jibanyan would be great TGA reveals...and frankly I don't know that Yokai Watch stands much of a chance with the sudden downfall it experienced.

If you ask me? Something in my gut tells me it's Leon Kennedy, Dante, Dark Souls, or Ezio.

What do you guys think?
I don't think it's Ezio. Assassin's Creed has basically no presence in Japan, which hurts it a lot I imagine, nor does it actually hold a lot of relevant gaming history (it has just sold very well, but it largely has done very little to innovate or even really move the wider industry), nor are Ezio or any of the characters requested for Smash. I just don't really see Assassin's Creed as a particularly likely option, and i think it's slept on for good reason.

That said, I think a Resident Evil character (Leon, Jill, or both could all make sense), Dante, a Dark Souls rep, Ryu Hayabusa, or another Bandai-Namco character all make a lot of sense in regards to who will be character #5. It depends on the other announcements there as well to some extent as to what I sort of "expect" to make a big show at TGAs, but I do agree with most of your analysis. Though I don't think Sakurai sticks hard to the idea of "one company per pass/season" and it has just worked out that way. Especially now as we start running closer and closer to territory where it would make sense to maybe see something like two Capcom reps in the same "season" since there's fewer unique companies to draw from moving forward, especially on the Japanese gaming front, but plenty of franchises.

I'd still say you should count Plant as a DLC character. We have no confirmation that Piranha Plant was intended for the base roster from Sakurai, and having 2 Nintendo characters relative to the 7 3rd parties doesn't really harm your point that the last Fighter's Pass character is probably a 3rd party.

It's weird, because at this point having a Nintendo character as the final Fighter's Pass character would be more unexpected than the vast majority of 3rd party choices.
Piranha Plant was in playable form before the game released (we know this through the talk of play testers seeing Plant and the fact that we saw footage on November 1, 2018 in game) and is the only "DLC" option to have a Palutena's Guidance, which is a giant red flag in regards to what was actually planned. Plant was most definitely a pre-planned character for the base roster through all common sense and should not be counted as DLC in the same traditional way. Corrin is the only first party DLC character to be developed specifically as DLC.

I don't think they're going for "unexpected" for the sake of it. And the only "unexpected" comment was made by Reggie a year ago when the entire ball game was different, so unexpected has to be considered in that context.
 

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I don't think it's Ezio. Assassin's Creed has basically no presence in Japan, which hurts it a lot I imagine, nor does it actually hold a lot of relevant gaming history (it has just sold very well, but it largely has done very little to innovate or even really move the wider industry), nor are Ezio or any of the characters requested for Smash. I just don't really see Assassin's Creed as a particularly likely option, and i think it's slept on for good reason.
Assassin's Creed is one of the most popular Western franchises in Japan. And considering how every open world since the first AC has copied its structure (even Nintendo's own Breath of the Wild did the towers) I think that covers the influence part.
 

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Assassin's Creed is one of the most popular Western franchises in Japan. And considering how every open world since the first AC has copied its structure (even Nintendo's own Breath of the Wild did the towers) I think that covers the influence part.
Which is to say it's not popular at all. It has never had a title break 200,000 copies and most have sold abysmally in general despite an occasional first weekend showing that is above average for Western titles. You're overstating its Japanese popularity by a lot. Also, climbing high to get a point of interest view of the rest of a world isn't exactly that revolutionary a game mechanic to where I'd say it's worth pointing out that Breath of the Wild specifically took it from Assassin's Creed. A big maybe to the "towers" as some sort of influence, but a terribly minor one if that's really what we're going for.

Also, Assassin's Creed games are the absolute worst examples of modern "do **** for no real reason in an open world until you've somehow played 20+ hours of stuff with an average story shoved in between." They're the absolute epitomes of modern gaming excess for the point of excess, and could be actually decent games if they didn't spend so much time making their entire experiences repetitive and dull bull****. I have a fairly low opinion of them and I just don't see anything at all that they've done that has been "influential" other than prove that tedious and empty open worlds can sell well to the AAA audiences who tend to eat them up.
 
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