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Street Fighter II on the SNES is Capcom's most sold game ever and that game revolutionized fighting games into what they are today. Also he is the most recognizable fighting game character ever.
You're being incredibly inconsistent. Why are Ryu's multiplat games considered reasons for him, while Crash's are worth writing off? Between the GBA titles, the N. Sane Trilogy port, Wrath of Cortex, and the Titans/Mutant games, Crash has had more games on Nintendo consoles than he's had games exclusive to Sony.
Tbh the main reason I just don't want him is because I still view him as a Sony character. He may have some spin offs on Nintendo platforms and his main games may be getting ported, but they're also being ported to everything. If you bring up Cloud as a counter argument I'd say that he represents the Final Fantasy series which has a long running history with Nintendo and if you bring up Ryu I'll say that he's a great representative of Street Fighter which is a classic series. Crash, to me, doesn't hold the clout that other third party reps do plain and simple. He's only recently been wanted by others due to his main games getting ported to the Switch and to me he represents Sony gaming childhoods more than Nintendo and Sony already has their own fighting game where he belongs. If you can't accept that then I dunno what to tell you.
). Smash has so much more potential as a clash of gaming titans, and a clash of genres. Naturally Nintendo and other companies aren't going to prefer to do that, and Nintendo isn't going to want to put their money in to share their stage with every publisher in the world, but why should we care as the fans about Nintendo prefering to promote their games first when we could instead have other deserving characters
Crash has literally never been owned by Sony though, so it's a matter of flawed perception. He was third party from the start. PlayStation had exclusivity over the first three games, but even then the character was owned by Universal until they sold him to Activision.
He gets a new game and we can talk. Otherwise I'm not into him.
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Honestly, I think it’s a matter of perception. Ryu is more commonly seen as a console agnostic gaming icon, with his most iconic entry being on a Nintendo console. Crash, on the other hand, is seen as a Sony mascot (if not THE Sony mascot) for his early exclusive titles.
Hope the devs don’t share that mindset. I like my third party characters, but they’ve always been nothing more than guests to me.Seriously, Smash has ceased to be a 'Nintendo showcase' and I don't see why people would prefer it stay that way really unless it was purely for the hope of seeing their less relevant Nintendo character succeed (ignore my signature
But why? Is it just because they're surrounded by Nintendo characters? Or do you prefer them to stay as guests because you're a Nintendo fan? I just don't see how anybody without an outside bias is prefering to see less big gaming icons.
rash bandicoot might have been a last gift from a parting relative.) We shouldn't hate other people's opinions. We should delight in them as smash is a celebration. For those that want a nintendo all-stars game, you will all have melee, nay smash 64. However the world is a diffrent place now, it is hard and cynical and has evolved and I'm afraid we must evolve with it. Every character we gain is a familymember we gain, we might not appreciate how loud or brash they are, but alas with all things we only truly miss them when their gone(ice climbers). We should do our best to cherish and hold on to what characters we have, but not shy away from inviting new ones. I know I have said a lot, but I pray some of you will heed my words and rethink your hatred towards a fellow smasher's character suggestionsThanks!
That’s pretty much it, I’m a Nintendo fan and I still see Smash as a celebration of Nintendo (as outdated as that perception might be). That said, I have never found a reason to complain about the third party characters that have been in Smash and there are still lots that I would like to see make it. Just hope they don’t start neglecting their own history.
Yeah that's how I felt too. I was so excited to see Mega Man, Pac Man, and Sonic in Smash as classic gaming icons because of their rich history in the industry that I forgot about characters like Cloud that I went absolutely ballistic over with hype when he was announced just because it was so unexpected.
That is the inherent issue this time around, the only Nintendo characters that would hype me up are longtime favorites that are deemed "impossible" because of their lack of relevance, Ridley, and... Waluigi, I guess? Other than that, nothing would give me that hyped sensation that makes me feel like a child other than third-party characters.
Ryu in Smash was heavily based on Street Fighter 2 even having similar sound effects for attacks.
What, characters getting less special overtime. If only some genius was telling people that months ago.
You don't have to be into him, but your singular perception doesn't change the facts.
So? We've had Cloud and Snake. Do you think fans preconception of the character's allegiance is going to hinder the businesses from a mutually beneficial addition, should they be so inclined? It hasn't in the past.
I can empathize with that perspective, but that's not the direction Smash is moving in. So there's not much point in digging your heels into that mentality, we're all still getting dragged along this path.
You got me there. I never saw them as Sony icons (maybe Cloud, though not to the level of Crash; I got to know Metal Gear through the NES port of the original), but most people do, I guess, and they still got in.
Yeah, there’s nothing that can make me quit on Smash. Well, there are probably some things that would make me quit, but they’re really beyond the realm of probability.
You bring up a great point. Rayman and Crash, while popular, are frankly nowhere near as popular as Mega Man or Sonic, and imo once those A-list third parties are added (which they have been, plus Bayonetta), you should just stop adding third parties, as this is, at the end of the day, a Nintendo fighter. It's one thing to add a b-tier character or a smaller third-party with a strong Nintendo presence (Bayonetta, and heck, even Mega Man isn't as iconic as Sonic or Pac Man but is a Nintendo icon). It's another thing to add a b-tier third party character like Rayman, Crash, and Spyro to a game that's primarily for Nintendo characters.
It's 'MUGEN'.
Cloud is from a series iconic to Nintendo platforms, even if his particular game wasn't on N64. Snake was because Sakurai is close friends with Kojima, and as Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus has shown us, Sakurai bias would still trump all.
I think you make a good point. Basically, don't add a guest for the sake of doing it (which is the exact opposite of what everyone else is suggesting). That would be my thought as well. Another way to look at it is don't spoil a good thing. Adding weak guest makes the whole thing less interesting.
Yeah, I'm sure you would've been defending Cloud prior to his inclusion.
I mean you say for the sake of doing it, others say because they're iconic gaming characters, and the truth is because it helps sell the game.
Eh, I think its more do with that after the N64 era, people find it hard to place iconic characters in video-games at the level of Sonic/Mario, cause the internet has done a good job of causing vocal minorities and echo chambers to emerge.
If I'm being more serious then the reason comes down to lacking pioneers. Game design was starting to be figured out and because it was all moving at such a breakneck pace being the first popular game to do something was more important than being the one to refine it. Without people commonly recognising 'eras' of game design it all just mixes together. People remember popular games but they struggle to remember what made it unique unless it was the first time they experienced it.
The day any character makes it in because of meme culture... well that’ll be a dark day indeed.
This is literally completely wrong.
Fire emblem 7 came "after" melee(fe 7 realease date april 21, melee release date november 21) I'm not sure how you could see that, Lyn was going to be used to promote the new game, similair to corrin being in smash 4 to promote fates. Fire emblem was finally coming to US hence smash realeasing the same time as the NA version of FE7
Melee was released in 2001, FE7 was released in 2003. Lyn never had a chance at getting into Melee, she didn't exist yet.
Blazing Blade came out in spring of 2003, while Melee came out in November 2001. Considering Roy's game, The Binding Blade, didn't come out until 2002, meaning Roy was in Smash BEFORE HIS GAME CAME OUT, there is literally no way Lyn could have been planned for Melee. She didn't exist yet.
Oh, sorry I didn't see that. I just heard somewhere lyn was going to be in smash, maybe it was supposed to be brawl. My bad, I thought fe 7 came out in 2001
