Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[GKMLTTSB]

Being indie inherently means that it isn’t mainstream though, right? If Western indies can’t get in like Shovel Knight and Shantae, who were rallied for more than Reimu despite being relatively niche in comparison to the wider sphere of gaming, I can’t see Reimu possibly getting in as more than a mii costume, especially due to her obscurity outside of Japan.

Being indie just means that it's not published/funded by a major studio. It is not inherently tied to the success or scope of the game, but merely to the nature of its inception.

 

[Flyboy]

You kids today talking about indie this and indie that and niche this and niche that when we old hats know the TRUE indie rep that deserves to be in Smash.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You kids today talking about indie this and indie that and niche this and niche that when we old hats know the TRUE indie rep that deserves to be in Smash.

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Turns out it was actually a prophecy that was only off by about 22 years.
We're living in the punchline timeline.

 

[3BitSaurus]

You kids today talking about indie this and indie that and niche this and niche that when we old hats know the TRUE indie rep that deserves to be in Smash.

Challenger Pack 97: Chin

"Bruce Lee's relative Chin makes it to Smash! Shoot white balls at your opponents and have fun in the new Hong Kong stage, but beware the Ultimate Weapon, Tong Shao Ping! He'll appear when you kill all 1.2 billion of the ******* ugly reds, so be careful!"

Includes:
Fighters: Chin
Stage: Hong Kong
1 Music track

 

[Flyboy]

Challenger Pack 97: Chin

"Bruce Lee's relative Chin makes it to Smash! Shoot white balls at your opponents and have fun in the new Hong Kong stage, but beware the Ultimate Weapon, Tong Shao Ping! He'll appear when you kill all 1.2 billion of the ******* ugly reds, so be careful!"

Includes:
Fighters: Chin
Stage: Hong Kong
1 Music track

Spirit Battle:
Herd of ****in' Ugly Reds
(Tiny RIDLEY Team)
-The Enemy Will Suddenly Get A Final Smash
-Items Will Appear (Super Scope)
-Fog Will Appear On The Battlefield

 

[Pinguino21v]

Thrall is far and away the best Blizzard rep, and the one Nintendo would go for immediately.

I fully agree with you.

I don't know which one would win between Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo. I only know well Warcraft. But Warcraft is also the biggest AAA MMO ever made, and that's a pretty strong advantage for it over the others in my opinion.

And don't forget it got a strong success in China too.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Spirit Battle:
Herd of ****in' Ugly Reds
(Tiny RIDLEY Team)
-The Enemy Will Suddenly Get A Final Smash
-Items Will Appear (Super Scope)
-Fog Will Appear On The Battlefield

You forgot the Ultimate Weapon himself:

Tong Shao Ping
(Giant Metal Kirby)
- Stamina Battle
- The enemy favors down specials
- The enemy likes to jump
- Hostile assist trophies will appear (Andross, Dr. Kawashima)

Bonus points if the background becomes Coca-Cola for no reason.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/heisei-game-chronicle#
I think this gives people here insight about Japanese gaming history.
The list of notable games during Heisei Era (1989-2019).

Edit: Click the links below of each section to see the full lists.

 

[Deleted member]

https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/heisei-game-chronicle#
I think this gives people here insight about Japanese gaming history.
The list of notable games during Heisei Era (1989-2019).

Many great games from start to finish!

 

[osby]

https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/heisei-game-chronicle#
I think this gives people here insight about Japanese gaming history.
The list of notable games during Heisei Era (1989-2019).

*Persona 3, Persona 4 and Persona 5 are in the list*

I feel validated.

 

[Deleted member]

*Persona 3, Persona 4 and Persona 5 are in the list*

I feel validated.

Dragon Quest and Metroid are on the list too.

Validated x2.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/heisei-game-chronicle#
I think this gives people here insight about Japanese gaming history.
The list of notable games during Heisei Era (1989-2019).

Lot of Mystery Dungeon games there.

Speaking of, I wonder why there's so little Pokemon Spin-off stuff in Smash. I get other studios take care of most of it but Pokemon's the biggest media franchise and all Smash has is the main games, Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap (worked on by HAL) and Detective Pikachu.

Mystery Dungeon had some of the best music.

 

[Deleted member]

Lot of Mystery Dungeon games there.

Speaking of, I wonder why there's so little Pokemon Spin-off stuff in Smash. I get other studios take care of most of it but Pokemon's the biggest media franchise and all Smash has is the main games, Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap (worked on by HAL) and Detective Pikachu.

Mystery Dungeon had some of the best music.

Yeah, we should have gotten Smash remixes of Mystery Dungeon and Pokémon Ranger songs.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Thrall is far and away the best Blizzard rep, and the one Nintendo would go for immediately.

I disagree. I think Arthas is a far better pick than Thrall and he symbolizes the golden era of Warcraft. We don't know which Warcraft rep Nintendo might go to since none of them have been on Nintendo consoles before and there has been never fan demand behind any of them. But I can say that Arthas is much more well known to the general gaming audience since he's been in the cover of Wrath of the Lich King, and that game is recognized as the peak of Warcraft's popularity. Arthas is popular in the Warcraft fanbase because of his incredible character and story, and he's popular in the general gaming audience because of the expansion pack Wrath of the Lich King which represents the era when Warcraft was at it's prime. This makes him a stronger candidate in my opinion.

 

[3BitSaurus]

https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/heisei-game-chronicle#
I think this gives people here insight about Japanese gaming history.
The list of notable games during Heisei Era (1989-2019).

So compiling everything, the games I recognized without a presence in Smash would be:

Spoiler: REALLY LONG

• Kunio
• Final Fight
• SaGa
• Madou Monogatari/Puyo Puyo
• Doom
• Chrono Trigger
• Tales of
• Suikoden
• Resident Evil
• Harvest Moon
• Touhou
• Parappa
• Diablo
• Sakura Wars
• Ultima Online
• Age of Empires
• Starcraft
• Xenogears
• Dance Dance Revolution
• Everquest
• Shenmue
• Half-Life
• Phantasy Star Online
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney
• GTA
• Halo
• Medal of Honor
• Kingdom Hearts
• Ragnarok
• Fate
• WoW
• Yakuza
• Elder Scrolls
• Gears of War
• Professor Layton
• CoD
• Assassin's Creed
• Fallout
• Souls
• Minecraft
• Steins: Gate
• League of Legends
• Angry Birds
• God Eater
• Limbo
• Danganronpa
• Portal
• Tekken
• Gravity Rush
• Journey
• The Last of Us
• Yo-Kai Watch
• Granblue Fantasy
• Overwatch
• PUBG
• Nier
• Fortnite
• God of War
• Red Dead Redemption

Really surprised by the amount of western games in that list. Half-Life in particular - correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that series confined to some weird arcade version that was barely ever seen in Japan?

Otherwise... yeah, I think we've talked about most of these, with a few notable exceptions.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I disagree. I think Arthas is a far better pick than Thrall and he symbolizes the golden era of Warcraft. We don't know which Warcraft rep Nintendo might go to since none of them have been on Nintendo consoles before and there has been never fan demand behind any of them. But I can say that Arthas is much more well known to the general gaming audience since he's been in the cover of Wrath of the Lich King, and that game is recognized as the peak of Warcraft's popularity. Arthas is popular in the Warcraft fanbase because of his incredible character and story, and he's popular in the general gaming audience because of the expansion pack Wrath of the Lich King which represents the era when Warcraft was at it's prime. This makes him a stronger candidate in my opinion.

Arthas as the Lich King is more recognizable, but we don't generally see Smash go for villains before heroes. That can obviously change at any time, but for the moment that is one reason I'd expect Thrall to make it in over Arthas.

And I may joke about it, but given how heavily Sylvanas has been pushed, I'd actually feel she'd have a decent shot too if it weren't for that same issue. She's at least spent a good amount of her time in the limelight (somewhat) outside of a straight-up villain role, but since it looks like she's going to essentially be Garrosh'd as things stand, she has that against her, IMO.

Or they just bore everyone and we get Anduin. >_>

 

[Deleted member]

So compiling everything, the games I recognized without a presence in Smash would be:

Spoiler: REALLY LONG

• Kunio
• Final Fight
• SaGa
• Madou Monogatari/Puyo Puyo
• Doom
• Chrono Trigger
• Tales of
• Suikoden
• Resident Evil
• Harvest Moon
• Touhou
• Parappa
• Diablo
• Sakura Wars
• Ultima Online
• Age of Empires
• Starcraft
• Xenogears
• Dance Dance Revolution
• Everquest
• Shenmue
• Half-Life
• Phantasy Star Online
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney
• GTA
• Halo
• Medal of Honor
• Kingdom Hearts
• Ragnarok
• Fate
• Moster Hunter
• WoW
• Yakuza
• Elder Scrolls
• Gears of War
• Professor Layton
• CoD
• Assassin's Creed
• Fallout
• Souls
• Minecraft
• Steins: Gate
• League of Legends
• Angry Birds
• God Eater
• Limbo
• Danganronpa
• Portal
• Tekken
• Gravity Rush
• Journey
• The Last of Us
• Yo-Kai Watch
• Granblue Fantasy
• Overwatch
• PUBG
• Nier
• Fortnite
• God of War
• Red Dead Redemption

Really surprised by the amount of western games in that list. Half-Life in particular - correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that series confined to some weird arcade version that was barely ever seen in Japan?

Otherwise... yeah, I think we've talked about most of these, with a few notable exceptions.

No wonder everyone's demanding more Western reps.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Arthas as the Lich King is more recognizable, but we don't generally see Smash go for villains before heroes. That can obviously change at any time, but for the moment that is one reason I'd expect Thrall to make it in over Arthas.

And I may joke about it, but given how heavily Sylvanas has been pushed, I'd actually feel she'd have a decent shot too if it weren't for that same issue. She's at least spent a good amount of her time in the limelight (somewhat) outside of a straight-up villain role, but since it looks like she's going to essentially be Garrosh'd as things stand, she has that against her, IMO.

Or they just bore everyone and we get Anduin. >_>

Arthas as the Lich King is what they would go for anyways, it's his most recognizable and iconic form after all. As for the hero argument, I'd say that if the character is a villain but they're far more popular than the hero then including them before the hero makes sense. Take Heihachi and Scorpion for example, one is a villain and the other is an anti-hero, yet both are the most likely characters to be included from their series in Smash because they are the faces of their respective franchises.

The reason why Smash has been adding heroes more than villains is because heroes are the faces of their respective games. That changes when a villain is the most recognizable of the series. To give more proof on this I want to point out that in the cinematic reveal trailer of Heroes of the Storm, Arthas was the only Warcraft character portrayed, which shows that even Blizzard recognizes him as the face of the series. And if I'm being honest not enough has changed for Arthas to step down from his throne as the face of Warcraft, the highest number of subscribers in Warcraft's history still remains during the Lich King era.

 

[3BitSaurus]

No wonder everyone's demanding more Western reps.

Two things surprised me among the western games on that list, really: how many of those are first-person shooters, which I didn't think were popular at all there (Medal of Honor in particular is a surprise)... and Limbo. Aside from technically Minecraft, it's the only western indie I could find that's not in Smash yet. I certainly didn;t expect Limbo to be there, of all games.

 

[Deleted member]

Two things surprised me among the western games on that list, really: how many of those are first-person shooters, which I didn't think were popular at all there (Medal of Honor in particular is a surprise)... and Limbo. Aside from technically Minecraft, it's the only western indie I could find that's not in Smash yet. I certainly didn;t expect Limbo to be there, of all games.

Interesting. Most of their games are FPS's, yet the Japanese is seeming to **** on Doomguy for some reason. How ironic.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Two things surprised me among the western games on that list, really: how many of those are first-person shooters, which I didn't think were popular at all there (Medal of Honor in particular is a surprise)... and Limbo. Aside from technically Minecraft, it's the only western indie I could find that's not in Smash yet. I certainly didn;t expect Limbo to be there, of all games.

I'm not really sure how they're deriving the titles for that list...
Cookie Clicker is on there...
And Touhou 1, but not the more popular releases (unless I skimmed past them).

Edit: Google Translated it and at the bottom, the following is stated:

* This chronological table shows game titles uniquely selected by Denki Famico Gamer Editorial Department based on criteria such as number of units sold, number of units sold, what seems to be epoch-making in game history, and awards received in various awards. Is described.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I'm not really sure how they're deriving the titles for that list...
Cookie Clicker is on there...
And Touhou 1, but not the more popular releases (unless I skimmed past them).

Wait, where? I didn't see that...

But yeah, some notable absences there. No Mega Man, Sonic, Castlevania or Fatal Fury, for example. I'm curious about the list's origin as well...

 

[Night Gale]

There are a few noteworthy absences on that list to my dismay but holy sh*t

Keep being Japan, Japan.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Wait, where? I didn't see that...

But yeah, some notable absences there. No Mega Man, Sonic, Castlevania or Fatal Fury, for example. I'm curious about the list's origin as well...

2013, under Last of Us.

Edited my last post to show the quote at the bottom of the page.
It's essentially an editorial selection based on perceived significance, critical acclaim, and sales.

 

[Deleted member]

There are a few noteworthy absences on that list to my dismay but holy sh*t

Keep being Japan, Japan.

AVGN brought me there. The game is quite cringey, not gonna lie.

 

[SneakyLink]

AVGN brought me there. The game is quite cringey, not gonna lie.

The Nerd introduced me to a ton of games that I would never play.

Also inspired me to actually play through Zelda II

 

[ArchRanger]

There are a few noteworthy absences on that list to my dismay but holy sh*t

Keep being Japan, Japan.

One of the weirdest philosophical games around.

Plus it’s voiced by Leonard Nimoy lol.

Edit: Auto correct fix

 

[Deleted member]

Seaman won awards, wtf.

 

[Wunderwaft]

You can pretty much tell when Japan started going crazy for mobile games from that website.

 

[Flyboy]

So compiling everything, the games I recognized without a presence in Smash would be:

Spoiler: REALLY LONG

• Kunio
• Final Fight
• SaGa
• Madou Monogatari/Puyo Puyo
• Doom
• Chrono Trigger
• Tales of
• Suikoden
• Resident Evil
• Harvest Moon
• Touhou
• Parappa
• Diablo
• Sakura Wars
• Ultima Online
• Age of Empires
• Starcraft
• Xenogears
• Dance Dance Revolution
• Everquest
• Shenmue
• Half-Life
• Phantasy Star Online
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney
• GTA
• Halo
• Medal of Honor
• Kingdom Hearts
• Ragnarok
• Fate
• WoW
• Yakuza
• Elder Scrolls
• Gears of War
• Professor Layton
• CoD
• Assassin's Creed
• Fallout
• Souls
• Minecraft
• Steins: Gate
• League of Legends
• Angry Birds
• God Eater
• Limbo
• Danganronpa
• Portal
• Tekken
• Gravity Rush
• Journey
• The Last of Us
• Yo-Kai Watch
• Granblue Fantasy
• Overwatch
• PUBG
• Nier
• Fortnite
• God of War
• Red Dead Redemption

Really surprised by the amount of western games in that list. Half-Life in particular - correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that series confined to some weird arcade version that was barely ever seen in Japan?

Otherwise... yeah, I think we've talked about most of these, with a few notable exceptions.

This is how we get Shiori from Tokimeki Memorial in Smash! I knew it!

 

[Herocin]

So compiling everything, the games I recognized without a presence in Smash would be:

Spoiler: REALLY LONG

• Kunio
• Final Fight
• SaGa
• Madou Monogatari/Puyo Puyo
• Doom
• Chrono Trigger
• Tales of
• Suikoden
• Resident Evil
• Harvest Moon
• Touhou
• Parappa
• Diablo
• Sakura Wars
• Ultima Online
• Age of Empires
• Starcraft
• Xenogears
• Dance Dance Revolution
• Everquest
• Shenmue
• Half-Life
• Phantasy Star Online
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney
• GTA
• Halo
• Medal of Honor
• Kingdom Hearts
• Ragnarok
• Fate
• WoW
• Yakuza
• Elder Scrolls
• Gears of War
• Professor Layton
• CoD
• Assassin's Creed
• Fallout
• Souls
• Minecraft
• Steins: Gate
• League of Legends
• Angry Birds
• God Eater
• Limbo
• Danganronpa
• Portal
• Tekken
• Gravity Rush
• Journey
• The Last of Us
• Yo-Kai Watch
• Granblue Fantasy
• Overwatch
• PUBG
• Nier
• Fortnite
• God of War
• Red Dead Redemption

Really surprised by the amount of western games in that list. Half-Life in particular - correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that series confined to some weird arcade version that was barely ever seen in Japan?

Otherwise... yeah, I think we've talked about most of these, with a few notable exceptions.

How dare you miss Candy Crush. Space Invaders, God of War, Okami. I may be missing some but these don't deserve to be on the list as much as Candy Crush does. Candy Crush is the most deserving franchise to ever possibly have to be present in smash. Tiffi perhaps

 

[TheTuninator]

I'm not really sure how they're deriving the titles for that list...
Cookie Clicker is on there...
And Touhou 1, but not the more popular releases (unless I skimmed past them).

Edit: Google Translated it and at the bottom, the following is stated:

I caught EoSD on the list, which is probably the most popular one, right?

 

[Wunderwaft]

I caught EoSD on the list, which is probably the most popular one, right?

Kinda
It's the one that put Touhou on the map and kickstarted it's popularity.

 

[ProfPeanut]

I disagree. I think Arthas is a far better pick than Thrall and he symbolizes the golden era of Warcraft. We don't know which Warcraft rep Nintendo might go to since none of them have been on Nintendo consoles before and there has been never fan demand behind any of them. But I can say that Arthas is much more well known to the general gaming audience since he's been in the cover of Wrath of the Lich King, and that game is recognized as the peak of Warcraft's popularity. Arthas is popular in the Warcraft fanbase because of his incredible character and story, and he's popular in the general gaming audience because of the expansion pack Wrath of the Lich King which represents the era when Warcraft was at it's prime. This makes him a stronger candidate in my opinion.

Warcraft isn't just Wrath of the Lich King, or else it'd never have taken off in the first place. At its core is the eternal and complicated conflict/relationship between the Alliance and the Horde, a story that Thrall exists right in the middle of. Arthas is an incredibly iconic dude, but he's essentially a third-party to that core story, another obstacle for the two sides to join forces against.

Smash has historically been very good at not being distracted by other details and choosing those candidates who get right to the core of what makes a series great. Warcraft succeeded both before and after Arthas' time, and it didn't originally turn heads by making morally-gray humans.

 

[Night Gale]

Yu-no is on there as well. Sheeeeit.

This is how we get Shiori from Tokimeki Memorial in Smash! I knew it!

The only character that would make opponents weaker the more they taunt them!

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Wait, where? I didn't see that...

But yeah, some notable absences there. No Mega Man, Sonic, Castlevania or Fatal Fury, for example. I'm curious about the list's origin as well...

They are in the full list. And most of big icons are from Shouwa Era which is before 1989.

2013, under Last of Us.

Edited my last post to show the quote at the bottom of the page.
It's essentially an editorial selection based on perceived significance, critical acclaim, and sales.

2 Touhou games are mentioned in there.
HRtP and EoSD.

 

[Momotsuki]

Do people here REALLY think F5 is gonna be something that panders to China? Give me a break.

 

[Deleted member]

Do people here REALLY think F5 is gonna be something that panders to China? Give me a break.

Nah.

Fighter 5 could be anyone.

 

[Will]

Do people here REALLY think F5 is gonna be something that panders to China? Give me a break.

I feel like the pandering to specific nations and cultures is more a happy coincidence more than anything, bar from Banjo and Hero at E3.

Now 5 being Porky?

 

[Wunderwaft]

Warcraft isn't just Wrath of the Lich King, or else it'd never have taken off in the first place. At its core is the eternal and complicated conflict/relationship between the Alliance and the Horde, a story that Thrall exists right in the middle of. Arthas is an incredibly iconic dude, but he's essentially a third-party to that core story, another obstacle for the two sides to join forces against.

Smash has historically been very good at not being distracted by other details and choosing those candidates who get right to the core of what makes a series great. Warcraft succeeded both before and after Arthas' time, and it didn't originally turn heads by making morally-gray humans.

I get you, but picking Thrall is playing favoritism to one side. Thrall might be popular to Horde players, but that may not be the case for Alliance players. At least with Arthas he's popular to the majority of Warcraft players.