Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Plank08]

Not to piss off Lesley by speaking out against a female character, but Arle would be about as close to a "wasted slot" of a character that I can imagine.
I'd literally rather have this:
O-Tetrimino Head
T- Tetrimino Shoulders
I-Tetrimino Torso
S and Z-Tetrimino Arms
J and L-Tetrimino Legs
Call it "Tetris Man".

I’d buy that

 

[PSIGuy]

What if FP5 is another Games Award darling that surprised people with its inclusion like Persona 5? We don’t have any cowboy fighters yet and John Marston’s ranked up with Link as one of gaming’s best protagonists...

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

FP5 is a Bamco character and it is Nightmare from Soul Calibur sorry but I dont make the rules

 

[Hexodus]

Has Vergeben ever given information on why he's only telling people who #5 isn't?

Why have none of the leakers (outside of nameless 4chan randos) been able to give information on who the final fighter's pass character could be? Company, genre, age of franchise, moveset traits... even basic visual characteristics like "is it human or not" or "what gender is it."

 

[perfectchaos83]

Has Vergeben ever given information on why he's only telling people who #5 isn't?

Why have none of the leakers (outside of nameless 4chan randos) been able to give information on who the final fighter's pass character could be? Company, genre, age of franchise, moveset traits... even basic visual characteristics like "is it human or not" or "what gender is it."

Because "It's not time" yet basically. I'd assume only a very few amount of people actually know who it is and they'll start talking once it's "out in the wild" or close to reveal when more people know who it is.

 

[StrawHatX]

You know what shade of orange they could use to differentiate from Banjo and Kazooie's golden yellow, if FP5 is a Bandai Namco character? Look at the silhouettes here:

guess who's in the center tho...

edit - images roke again, here's a link: https://www.sccpre.cat/mypng/detail...-namco-vs-bandai-namco-entertainment-logo.png

I can’t believe I forgot KOS-MOS was a Namco character. Okay, if we get a Namco character I hope it’s her and then if not her then Lloyd.

I haven’t played Xenogear yet, but I love her in XC2.

 

[UberPyro64]

Maybe one day we'll have all of them. What do you guys think?

 

[Ben Holt]

Maybe one day we'll have all of them. What do you guys think?

Do one for platformers.
Oh wait. Mario would be all three. But still. We need Crash, Spyro, Rayman, and Earthworm Jim.

 

[MooMew64]

Not to piss off Lesley by speaking out against a female character, but Arle would be about as close to a "wasted slot" of a character that I can imagine.
I'd literally rather have this:
O-Tetrimino Head
T- Tetrimino Shoulders
I-Tetrimino Torso
S and Z-Tetrimino Arms
J and L-Tetrimino Legs
Call it "Tetris Man".

Okay, but consider this:

Spoiler

She's really cute and fun.

Puyo Puyo Tetris is also top 10 Switch games tier. Why can't we have both through her?

 

[PsychoJosh]

What's everyone's top 5 for DLC? Mine would be:

5. Tales of rep
4. Reimu
3. Kirby rep
2. Hat Kid
1. Octolings

Mine's in my signature.
Earthworm Jim, Lip, Eggman, F-Type and... well honestly, I did say Mona once but shes a fairly obscure secondary character who might be too much of a stretch. I'm split between her, Master Chief, Spyro and Goemon. Cant decide which of those I want more.

Not to piss off Lesley by speaking out against a female character, but Arle would be about as close to a "wasted slot" of a character that I can imagine.
I'd literally rather have this:
O-Tetrimino Head
T- Tetrimino Shoulders
I-Tetrimino Torso
S and Z-Tetrimino Arms
J and L-Tetrimino Legs
Call it "Tetris Man".

Stop talking about Tetrisman. It's a stupid idea that GameTrailers.com made up back in the Brawl days that has nothing to do with anything from Tetris.

If Tetris got representation it should be an I-Tetrimino that shifts its segments around into all the other shapes. It doesnt need to be humanoid to work.

 

[RodNutTakin]

Okay, but consider this:

Spoiler

She's really cute and fun.

Puyo Puyo Tetris is also top 10 Switch games tier. Why can't we have both through her?

Wholeheartedly agree with this. I don't think Tetris is a bad choice at all for Smash, but in my opinion, directly asking for Tetris in Smash over Arle is like asking for Karate Champ over Street Fighter, or Rogue (the 1980 computer game, not the bat) over Dragon Quest, or Space Panic over Mario. Just because something is the first of its genre doesn't mean it's immediately entitled to getting a spot in Smash Bros. Not to mention that "Tetrisman" honestly defeats the purpose of having a Tetris character. It'd be one of the blocks, or nothing. Mr. Game & Watch is different because his design is able to naturally incorporate multiple Game & Watch titles into his moveset. How would a man made out of Tetrominos accurately represent Tetris as a game?

 

[KillerCage]

Maybe one day we'll have all of them. What do you guys think?

Question: if Sakurai chose Gordon for DLC 5, how is he get past the fact that Mr. Freeman has no personality?

 

[Droodle]

Okay on another note, which unrepresented series/game in Smash do you want music from? Since this is all hypothetical the music tracks don't have to come with a character or anything.

I think some Falcom music (Particularly this one), would be amazing to have in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Not to piss off Lesley by speaking out against a female character, but Arle would be about as close to a "wasted slot" of a character that I can imagine.
I'd literally rather have this:
O-Tetrimino Head
T- Tetrimino Shoulders
I-Tetrimino Torso
S and Z-Tetrimino Arms
J and L-Tetrimino Legs
Call it "Tetris Man".

Why don't you visit the Arle thread if you're that skeptical. Hopefully it'll give you some infobits that'll make you change your mind...or not.

Tetris man...would look kinda silly lmao, but we already have Tetris spirits in the game so...

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Question: if Sakurai chose Gordon for DLC 5, how is he get past the fact that Mr. Freeman has no personality?

Who needs personality when you have a crowbar?

But more seriously, Gordon isn't the worst offender from the FPS sphere in this regard. >_>

 

[MooMew64]

Arle also has an actual character design as well. Bit easier to showcase a personality through something that is a living being VS just a shape IMO.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Okay on another note, which unrepresented series/game in Smash do you want music from? Since this is all hypothetical the music tracks don't have to come with a character or anything.

I think some Falcom music (Particularly this one), would be amazing to have in Smash.

****ing Touhou.

 

[Deleted member]

Arle also has an actual character design as well. Bit easier to showcase a personality through something that is a living being VS just a shape IMO.

And Sakurai can honestly make a fun moveset revolving around her tbh.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

What if FP5 is another Games Award darling that surprised people with its inclusion like Persona 5? We don’t have any cowboy fighters yet and John Marston’s ranked up with Link as one of gaming’s best protagonists...

One of the reasons why I think Dragonborn has a legitimate chance to be FP5. And considering everyone here seems to be expecting Doom Slayer, he sorta fits the "unexpected" category. He's also a western character that a LOT of people know, so I think he'd fit a VGA reveal very nicely.

Also John Marston would be super cool but RDR not being on Nintendo systems along with Rockstar's general lack on Nintendo support definitely hurt his chances. Nonetheless I think a horseback cowboy would make for an incredibly unique moveset.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe one day we'll have all of them. What do you guys think?

God I can't believe we have Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Persona in Smash Bros. You put all of them side by side and it looks like one of those crazy fan request lists.

 

[N3ON]

If the bar for "western enough" for a TGA reveal is Persona, I think you've got a lot of leeway when it comes to possibilities.

 

[MooMew64]

Only prediction I'll make about FP5 is that I and 99% of this fanbase will be wrong.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

 

[Jomosensual]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

Same. Had 0 clue who Reimu or Touhou was until the DLC speculation started. Haven't really seen anything convincing me that it's just not something super popular that I just haven't run across before either

 

[N3ON]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

yes

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Realistically, we're not gonna get much hint of who the final pass character is until the character is ready for release or reveal. That'll be when the marketing materials are being put together.

Maybe we'll get lucky with another Website leak.

 

[Nekoo]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

It's more like Touhou is both Early internet culture and Game culture.
It is "obscure" on everyone in the world beside Japan? Yes.
But did it leave a big ass heavy impact on Gaming/Internet culture?
Yeah, you probably saw tons of Touhou stuff/Memes and reference without knowing that it's from Touhou. (Most notably the Musics)

It's basically like Dragon Quests, it's like "AHAHA, what is a DQ???" (or what's an SNK alternatively) when DQ basically made 3/4 of the game mechanisms in JRPG we play today kind of deal.

 

[Latyon]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

Agreed. I've made a point of asking everyone I know who plays Smash if they support adding Reimu to Smash, and not a single person I've ever met even knows who she is or what she's from.

I would be very surprised to see Reimu in Smash. She's just another skirtwearing anime lady.

Same **** with Haruka Amami and that Famicom Detective Club kid

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Agreed. I've made a point of asking everyone I know who plays Smash if they support adding Reimu to Smash, and not a single person I've ever met even knows who she is or what she's from.

I would be very surprised to see Reimu in Smash. She's just another skirtwearing anime lady.

Same **** with Haruka Amami and that Famicom Detective Club kid

Excuse you, she's a Shrine Maiden. That's like the level above Japanese Schoolgirl.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

I assume it's a Dragon Quest thing where it must be really popular in Japan to warrant a spot. However, at least Dragon Quest and SNK localized most of their games so it's kind of iffy for me.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If this is how we react to Touhou, I can't imagine how Japan would react to Hollow Knight or Master Chief.

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

Agree 100%, nothing at all against reimu fans, but I had never heard of her or touhou a single time before coming on the boards. Every other series in ultimate’s speculation I knew about before reading about them on the boards, but not touhou, I think there’s maybe a 1% chance of her being dlc if that tbh

 

[perfectchaos83]

I'm going to be honest with everyone. Everyone here has recently been telling me how big if a deal Touhou is. I've never seen that with my own eyes though. The fact that I hadn't heard if it until, not only Smash speculation, not just Smash Ultimate speculation, but this particular Smash Ultimate DLC speculation tells me that it's not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Call me crazy but literally any other game I had heard in passing and had an idea of their legacy before this DLC cycle.

Just from that observation, I think people are vastly overplaying the Touhou series in general.

Just saying, as a fan of Persona and DQ and a slight fan of SNK, this is what I saw towards those three series. I feel this argument, no matter how "notable" the series is, is rather useless in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Garteam]

Maybe one day we'll have all of them. What do you guys think?

Wasn't there a version of this image from a few months ago that replaced Joker and Gordon Freeman with Shulk and Heavy Weapons Guy?

 

[Deleted member]

It's more like Touhou is both Early internet culture and Game culture.
It is "obscure" on everyone in the world beside Japan? Yes.
But did it leave a big ass heavy impact on Gaming/Internet culture?
Yeah, you probably saw tons of Touhou stuff/Memes and reference without knowing that it's from Touhou. (Most notably the Musics).

Because I'm out of the loop of all this and know jack, how did Touhou impact gaming?

 

[CodakTheWarrior]

Just saying, as a fan of Persona and DQ and a slight fan of SNK, this is what I saw towards those three series. I feel this argument, no matter how "notable" the series is, is rather useless in the grand scheme of things.

That’s definitely a fair criticism, but I also think we could all agree that Persona and Dragon Quest are significantly more well known overall than Touhou (SNK less so for sure I’ll give you that)

 

[Falcon Maltese]

I joined just to say one thing. If you're thinking of the color orange you're missing the other big Valve main character: Chell. Not I really think she has a chance, but just wanted to point that out. Now back to lurking.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Because I'm out of the loop of all this and know jack, how did Touhou impact gaming?

Depending on your definition of impact, Undertale absolutely would not exist without Touhou. Other than that, it's also a series where a lot of gaming amateurs use to make some of their first games in Japan due to ZUN's relative lax copyright standards.

 

[Deleted member]

Depending on your definition of impact, Undertale absolutely would not exist without Touhou. Other than that, it's also a series where a lot of gaming amateurs use to make some of their first games in Japan due to ZUN's relative lax copyright standards.

I don't get it. Can you go into more detail as to how it impacted Undertale and why gaming amateurs making their games mattered here?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still drunk on Color Theory, so I'm just thinking of orange characters, or characters commonly portrayed on an orange background (like Doom Slayer, but he's not it).
Amaterasu, anyone?
Would definitely be unique.

We can only dream...