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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Byleth's the main protagonist tho. They always go with that or the face/icon/mascot first before other characters in the franchise.

TBH given the entire Pass is so far 3rd party I don't see it. I can see post-pass however.
Chrom was Awakening's main protagonist, not Robin. Robin got into Smash first.

Edelgard is incredibly important even outside her own route, was the face of the game, is getting a figma, uses an axe (which Sakurai even said he wished more characters used), and has a much stronger personality.
 

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Chrom was Awakening's main protagonist, not Robin. Robin got into Smash first.

Edelgard is incredibly important even outside her own route, was the face of the game, is getting a figma, uses an axe (which Sakurai even said he wished more characters used), and has a much stronger personality.
Fair point. I've never played Fire Emblem tbh so I didn't even know that.
 

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Why not save Joker and Hero for E3 to have an JRPG inspired pass and just use Banjo for VGA? Like that's not good enough reasoning for me to doubt Tekken yet.
I feel Persona and Dragon Quest fill different niches even within the JRPG world, they can't be swept under the same brush, even if it's just from an aesthetic standpoint.
 

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What's everyone's top 5 for DLC? Mine would be:

5. Tales of rep
4. Reimu
3. Kirby rep
2. Hat Kid
1. Octolings
Dream:

1. Scorpion
2. Isaac
3. Geno
4. Rex and Pyra/Mythra
5. Master Chief

"Realistic":

1. Nightmare
2. Geno
3. Akira Howard
4. Dovahkiin
5. Steve
 

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Sleeper Picks: 2B, Agumon, Chosen Undead, Dovahkiin, Lara Croft, Master Chief, KOS-MOS, Professor Layton

Obvious Picks: Dante, Crash (Assuming Vergeben eventually says its not him either), Heihachi, Lloyd, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil rep, Sora, Steve

Missing anyone else?
Sleeper: Anything by Valve, since Valve always goes for the surprise announcement. I'd count Overwatch as sleeper, ditto WoW / Starcraft. Anything by Falcom is likewise sleeper territory. Anything Tencent owns or is indirectly connected to is also sleeper, since they're hugging Nintendo like crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if Tencent helped SNK and their owners get Terry in after all. Dynasty Warriors too, come to think of it.

As far as obvious, I'd say Arle seems semi-obvious, if only because she's the foremost puzzle rep (what with Tetris being DLC-spirited, it doesn't look like Sakurai's aiming for a Tetris character).
 

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Byleth's the main protagonist tho. They always go with that or the face/icon/mascot first before other characters in the franchise.
FE already has its "face/icon" in, Marth. As stated, Edelgard was the face of FE3H marketing (the game's theme song is literally called "Girl of Hresvelg" in Japan, and is entirely from Edelgard's perspective) and was by far the most played lord during the peak activity after launch. Any of the FE3H lords or Byleth would be a plausible and strong inclusion, but it's certainly an open question as to who'd make it in.
 

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If memory served, Edelgard was also the first character we were introduced to when Three Houses was first revealed. And she's been in more promotional material than Claude, Dimitri, and even Byleth.

Which to me gives a stronger case for her if a Three Houses rep were to ever get in.
 
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Fair point. I've never played Fire Emblem tbh so I didn't even know that.
It's not like Robin and Corrin were the faces of Fe Awakening and Fates marketing either. Like no doubt Edelgard is marketed, but that's never been enough for Fire Emblem in recent years.

Opo's brushing the truth with his own opinions a bit. Mainly that Robin and Chrom share the main protagonist light throughout Awakening. The story could not function without the other. It's to a point where even the final chapters are dedicated to Robin specifically.
 
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I feel Persona and Dragon Quest fill different niches even within the JRPG world, they can't be swept under the same brush, even if it's just from an aesthetic standpoint.
Can you look at tag-team 2d King of Fighters and tell me it's the same as 3d Arena Tekken?
 

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It's not like Robin and Corrin were the faces of Fe Awakening and Fates marketing either. Like no doubt Edelgard is marketed, but that's never been enough for Fire Emblem in recent years.

Opo's brushing the truth with his own opinions a bit. Mainly that Robin and Chrom share the main protagonist light throughout Awakening. The story could not function without the other. It's to a point where even the final chapters are dedicated to Robin specifically.
Fates's marketing made a huge deal out of the fact that it was the first time the avatar character was the main lord. IS very clearly didn't see Robin as the main protagonist of Awakening. Hell, even Smash Bros gives Chrom top billing in that regard.

Don't act as though I'm stretching the truth here.
 

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This whole talk about Heihachi not being Fighter 5 because "they won't end the Fighters Pass with two fighting game characters" and then bringing up that the Pass started with two JRPG characters has me intrigued...

Joker and Hero are both JRPG characters, but they're both from different types of JRPGs (Persona 5 being a more unique dungeon crawler/dating sim mix, and Dragon Quest being typically very "traditional" in comparison). Maybe the Pass will end with Heihachi, because while both he and Terry come from fighting games, they still come from different types of fighting games (Terry from a 2D fighting game, Heihachi from a 3D one).

Essentially, the Fighters Pass will both begin and end with two characters from games that are in the same genre, but said games being different examples of said genre. What do you guys think?
 

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I feel Persona and Dragon Quest fill different niches even within the JRPG world, they can't be swept under the same brush, even if it's just from an aesthetic standpoint.
I fail to see how Heihachi and Terry can be swept under the same brush from an aesthetic standpoint.

One of them is a young, blond dude with a trucker getup and the other is an old Japanese man in a gi.
 

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Honestly I'm not too thrilled with the idea of Heihachi but if we were to get a Tekken rep I would settle for Jin or Kazuya since they have their devil abilities.
 

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I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sakurai didn't select these characters with a specific "theme" in mind or are concerned what genres they're from and how many are from each.

I'm pretty sure they don't consider or think about, like, 90% of the things we do.
 
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Fates's marketing made a huge deal out of the fact that it was the first time the avatar character was the main lord. IS very clearly didn't see Robin as the main protagonist of Awakening. Hell, even Smash Bros gives Chrom top billing in that regard.

Don't act as though I'm stretching the truth here.
And were people interested in the avatar or the narrative about choosing two sides? Be real and ask youeself which you gave more of a **** for. The avatar and the face petting or the concept of Fates' narrative? It was the defined characters from both sides that were more recognizable before Corrin made it into Smash.

And I'll admit Chrom is the face of Awakening marketing. He's on the cover, he had a defined aesthetic compared to Robin (at the time), he looks like the Marth from Smash Bros, and the first third is deliberately dedicated to him. Author's intent means jack, however, if Robin clearly starts grabbing the spotlight around the second-third when he starts taking control of the war effort and ends up being the best unit in the game. It's clear they share the same spotlight in the story and both are narratively written to cover the other's weaknesses. Chrom even mentions he'd be nowhere without Robin. That's how important both are to each other.

This all ties back into my point about Edelgard where being the guy on the cover and marketing isn't always enough. Like I think Edelgard has a chance (compared to Claude or Dimitri who have zilch), but it'd be wrong of me to think marketing is why Edelgard is in.
 
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I fail to see how Heihachi and Terry can be swept under the same brush from an aesthetic standpoint.

One of them is a young, blond dude with a trucker getup and the other is an old Japanese man in a gi.
I think the characters themselves are different, but I think it would be super weird to have another ‘fighting game’ themed pack for spot 5, I’ve come around on Lloyd being a pretty good candidate but I still really fail to see heihachi, especially after just having an entire pack dedicated to fighting games already
 

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I think the characters themselves are different, but I think it would be super weird to have another ‘fighting game’ themed pack for spot 5, I’ve come around on Lloyd being a pretty good candidate but I still really fail to see heihachi, especially after just having an entire pack dedicated to fighting games already
I don't think Sakurai would care at all about having two fighting game reps back to back. That just feels like another arbitrary fan rule, honestly.
 

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Heihachi is a likely 2nd Namco choice. The only other potential Namco reps I can see are KOS-MOS, Tales, or Dark Souls funnily enough. There is competition for a 2nd Namco rep and all of them could be viable, even if Dark Souls is kind of an "Out there" thought from me.

It helps Heihachi was almost considered for Smash 4 until Pac-Man was picked over him.
 

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This whole talk about Heihachi not being Fighter 5 because "they won't end the Fighters Pass with two fighting game characters" and then bringing up that the Pass started with two JRPG characters has me intrigued...

Joker and Hero are both JRPG characters, but they're both from different types of JRPGs (Persona 5 being a more unique dungeon crawler/dating sim mix, and Dragon Quest being typically very "traditional" in comparison). Maybe the Pass will end with Heihachi, because while both he and Terry come from fighting games, they still come from different types of fighting games (Terry from a 2D fighting game, Heihachi from a 3D one).

Essentially, the Fighters Pass will both begin and end with two characters from games that are in the same genre, but said games being different examples of said genre. What do you guys think?
It's certainly possible.

While selecting characters from a variety of genres is important to diversify the audience you cater to, Tekken doesn't have the same old-school arcade demographic with Fatal Fury/KoF.
 

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I don't think Sakurai would care at all about having two fighting game reps back to back. That just feels like another arbitrary fan rule, honestly.
I’m don’t think it’s a ‘rule’ at all, but idk I just have trouble seeing two spirit boards next to each other each with fighting game characters, I just think it would be weird to have two similar series while the first four are all totally diverse from each other
 

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I think the only reason Heihachi was passed over is because he would have to have a similar gimmick to Ryu Ken and terry.
 

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What's everyone's top 5 for DLC? Mine would be:

5. Tales of rep
4. Reimu
3. Kirby rep
2. Hat Kid
1. Octolings

In no order:

1. Dante
2. Reimu
3. Travis Touchdown
4. Phoenix Wright
5. Kazuma Kiryu


All very, very unlikely choices that I doubt any would get in but are still choices I'd be excited if they were to get in Smash in some form.
 

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I feel so torn about Tekken.

On the one hand, I played the tar out of Tekken Tag Tournament on Wii U and ADORED it. TBH I'll probably look into Tekken 7 at some point soon because of it.

And on the other hand...I personally thing FGC additions to Smash are kinda boring. Really dunno how I'd feel about Heihachi. Probably a mixture of interest and slight disappointment.
 

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I’m don’t think it’s a ‘rule’ at all, but idk I just have trouble seeing two spirit boards next to each other each with fighting game characters, I just think it would be weird to have two similar series while the first four are all totally diverse from each other
2D fighters and 3D fighters are pretty different, just like Persona and DQ are JRPGS with significant differences.
 

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I wouldn't mind Heihachi in Smash personally but if I wanted to pick a new Fighting Game rep, it'd either be Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge. I think Arc System Works deserves a rep in the future and either of those two would be plenty. That's just me, though.
 
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I wouldn't mind Heihachi in Smash personally but if I wanted to pick a Fighting Game rep, it'd either be Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge. I think Arc System Works deserves a rep in the future and either of those two would be plenty. That's just me, though.
Ooooh yeah, Arc System Works would be good. I'd be hyped for (almost) anyone from there.
 

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I wouldn't mind Heihachi in Smash personally but if I wanted to pick a new Fighting Game rep, it'd either be Sol Badguy or Ragna the Bloodedge. I think Arc System Works deserves a rep in the future and either of those two would be plenty. That's just me, though.
I want a Blazblu rep and for Ragna's stage instead of Xander mobus saying "Ready go!" It's the voice clip of Blaz blu cross tag that says "Can't escape from crossing fates! FIGHT!" It fits with Smash's crossover stuff.
 

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What's everyone's top 5 for DLC? Mine would be:

5. Tales of rep
4. Reimu
3. Kirby rep
2. Hat Kid
1. Octolings
1. Phoenix Wright
2. Master Chief
3. Lara Croft
4. Amaterasu
5. Chosen Undead/Heihachi
 

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if Robin clearly starts grabbing the spotlight around the second-third.
Robin had the spotlight for one chapter (before Lucina takes it over at the end) and then it went back to Chrom for the rest of the Valm arc.
Robin only took the spotlight after the Valm arc was resolved.

Two thirds of the game are focused on Chrom and even after the focus is off of him, he's still pretty important as seen by him getting a power-up and his role as the big trigger for what set the game in motion in the first place.

There's a reason people expected Chrom before Robin back in the Smash 4 days.
 
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Robin had the spotlight for one chapter (before Lucina takes it over at the end) and then it went back to Chrom for the rest of the Valm arc.
Robin only took the spotlight after the Valm arc was resolved.

Two thirds of the game are focused on Chrom and even after the focus is off of him, he's still pretty important as seen by him getting a power-up and his role as the big trigger for what set the game in motion in the first place.

There's a reason people expected Chrom before Robin back in the Smash 4 days.
What do you mean only one chapter? Robin came up with literally every strategy for the Valm arc while Chrom took a backseat before discussing philosophy with Walhart. Robin was the one who dealt with Valm's naval fleet in Chapter 14. When the entire aemy was going to be pincer attacked, Chrom literally had to ask Robin what to do to deal with it. Robin was also the man who thought about fighting Yen'fay in a volcano. Though, you're right in that the Valm arc's first and final two chapters are Chrom focused.
 
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One argument against Heihachi I really don't understand is "He can't be playable because he's a part of Pac-Man's Up Taunt."

Yeah, Heihachi does indeed make a cameo in Pac-Man's Up Taunt... but I don't see how something as minor as a reference in another character's taunt means Heihachi suddenly can't be playable. A reminder that Chrom was made playable in Ultimate, yet he's still a part of Robin's Final Smash. Plus, if you're using this argument against Heihachi, I hope you're not also hoping that Valkyrie or The Prince of All Cosmos are gonna be playable...
 

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One argument against Heihachi I really don't understand is "He can't be playable because he's a part of Pac-Man's Up Taunt."

Yeah, Heihachi does indeed make a cameo in Pac-Man's Up Taunt... but I don't see how something as minor as a reference in another character's taunt means Heihachi suddenly can't be playable. A reminder that Chrom was made playable in Ultimate, yet he's still a part of Robin's Final Smash. Plus, if you're using this argument against Heihachi, I hope you're not also hoping that Valkyrie or The Prince of All Cosmos are gonna be playable...
We already have proof that 8-bit versions of characters can coexist with Smash fighters from Duck Hunt.
 
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