Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[Fynal]

@Fynal: Here is what JTB is saying.

Soup and myself are scum buddies. I am some sort of a mafia PR that visits, probably a roleblocker. I roleblocked you N1 and roleblocked someone randomly N2 (which would make no ****ing sense because, if I was a mafia roleblocker, don't you think I would have roleblocked the soft claimed PR which was JTB?). Soup just happens to pull of fake claiming main protagonists and is along for the ride with me despite us clearly being firm on our partner's alignment. There was no NK N2 and thus a protective role exists and JTB is saying that the real Doc still hasn't CCd and thinks that we are scum despite claiming only said PR. Seikend EXISTS which means there is a protective role in this setup. His PR even said specifically it was a protective role, not a doc specifically which further hints at a Jailer's existence.

This is ALL happening at once as opposed to the other option where Ranmaru is fake claiming VT (and he's really scummy to boot).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is reaching.

point there.He soft-claimed cop and was obviously coming for you.

JTB, you need to answer my #2508, whenever you get on. this is important.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Right so if I was a mafia roleblocker who would I go for? Some random person or the person who soft claimed a PR?

Anyone ever heard of Occam's Razor? Yeah.

 

[JTB]

Hey, jtb, why did you have to present a case if we already thought you were town?

Because you are scum.

Why did you care about ran dying?

Ran isn't scum. You/Kuz are.

How did we nk if we were out yesterday?

Addressed over and over.

How did ranmaru get protected if there is no doc?

Ran wasn't protected, it was a no kill.

Why is the two main protagonists scum?

Stop ****ing using flavor to defend yourself. You are not the two main protagonists, those are your safeclaims.

Why is the only protective role scum?

>Implying there is a protective role in this game

Why do you suck so much?

Q ****ing Q

Why do you accuse us of Wifom when you Wifomed yourself multiple times?

You are presenting whys upon whys, I'm giving facts.

Why do you keep pushing for our lynch when we have evidence of a guilty, and that we are telling the truth?

You DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE OF A ****ING GUILTY

Why are you trying to get town to lead with you all of the sudden?

I'm getting scum lynched.

why did you want doc protection over kuz, so you could nk him last night? You only softclaimed in twilight, trying to get doc on you.

I soft claimed way before twilight, why are you reaching so ****ing hard?

Why did fynal say you visited kuz?

BECAUSE I DID, SERIOUSLY?

If ranmaru was roleblocked, how can a nk occur?

GONE OVER THIS, SO MANY TIMES

wait wait wait wait

JTB, explain to me EXACTLY what this big, game changing case you had going yesterDay in twilight was.

By bringing attention to Kuz and myself, I expected a Home result from Kuz. Having gotten a Not Home result, he was able to avoid my trap, but still confirms he has some sort of PR.

Why would we want to look masoned D1?

The intent behind the post, the INTENT. If you were masoned, you had NO REASON to establish a connection between the two of you.

Why are you still reaching?

Why are you so scummy?

Why don't you answer My why's?

Why do you have the IQ of a 5 year old?

This is all you need to read to know how solid JTB's case is.

Ever heard of a jailer? Yeah, it protects and roleblocks his targets. Think about what you say before you say it next time

So you are saying that we should believe every single claim that is presented to us and not think of the possibilities. Yeah, ok.

Hah, I remember doing that in Bingo with J. He claims watcher, I bring up the possibility of a scum watcher and how he won't be able to prove himself. What happens?

I get lynched for doing so. I flip town. J was lynched a few Days later. He flips scum.

Why would scum nk if they could make It go into mylo?

We would not be in mylo if scum killed last Night.

Read through the entire game. THE ENTIRE GAME.

My town read on Soup NEVER falters. The few select posts that you can bring up is us distancing from each other so we weren't OBV masons. You did the same thing about saying you were a VT yet soft claiming a PR. Its really not that hard and you know I am more than smart enough to distance myself from my mason partner.

Your read on Soup is whatever. I didn't go into it because it can be either scumbuds or masons.

Kuz, is jtb mad?

Honestly Soup, just either shut the **** up or grow up, the way you act is evident of an immature kid.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12470906&postcount=272

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12471914&postcount=349

10 we're masons.

Also remember that Soup literally followed me onto EVERY wagon I asked him to without so much as a question why I was directing nor one callout received from me.

"OH BUT SCUMBUDDIES DO THAT TOO"

You think I'd be really as dumb to draw such an obvious connection to my scummates?

EVERY TIME someone brought stuff up about Soup's alignment I shot them down with a definitive he's town. It amazed me you still have trouble believing this.

WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

@Fynal: Here is what JTB is saying.

Soup and myself are scum buddies. I am some sort of a mafia PR that visits, probably a roleblocker. I roleblocked you N1 and roleblocked someone randomly N2 (which would make no ****ing sense because, if I was a mafia roleblocker, don't you think I would have roleblocked the soft claimed PR which was JTB?). Soup just happens to pull of fake claiming main protagonists and is along for the ride with me despite us clearly being firm on our partner's alignment. There was no NK N2 and thus a protective role exists and JTB is saying that the real Doc still hasn't CCd and thinks that we are scum despite claiming only said PR. Seikend EXISTS which means there is a protective role in this setup. His PR even said specifically it was a protective role, not a doc specifically which further hints at a Jailer's existence.

This is ALL happening at once as opposed to the other option where Ranmaru is fake claiming VT (and he's really scummy to boot).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is reaching.

LMAO at bolded. Don't you remember what we did at the end of twilight? We told the watcher to flip a coin between the two of us. If the watcher had targeted me and you roleblocked me, you just got outed!

And again, I have NEVER said that the Doc has not cc'ed yet, I said that IF a doc doesn't CC, then Seikend is scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

So JTB answer me one tiny question.

Where is the doc CCing that is required for any of your garbage to make sense?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Like seriously, there are about 4 indicators that we're confirmed town and you keep derping your way around all of them.

Get better at this game.

 

[JTB]

Also @ JTB. I claimed the fact that I was not home (with Soup) both Nights before you had claimed your results. What did you have to gain about lying about your N1 action to theoretically out me when you already knew I would be out both Nights? Scummy gambit to save Ranmaru's hide if you ask me.

I didn't know where I was going to go with it, but I didn't want that result known to you just yet. Once I saw that I could do nothing with it, I just said **** it, and brought it up.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rofl jtb you getting so buttpissed right now and we caught you in lie after lie and you just won't quit..

So cute

 

[JTB]

So JTB answer me one tiny question.

Where is the doc CCing that is required for any of your garbage to make sense?

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOLY ****

MY CASE DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND A DOC CLAIM

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD

 

[JTB]

Rofl jtb you getting so buttpissed right now and we caught you in lie after lie and you just won't quit..

So cute

Honestly Soup, you are an immature little ****, if this is how you play as scum, you should learn how to get better rather than be a ****ing troll.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Then tell me.

Seikend's existence confirms the existence of a protective role and we're the only claimed ones. Furthermore you actually doubt the existence of a protective role in a 13 man game? Thats incorrect.

Why would me and Soup NOT send in a Kill last Night? Why would I visit last Night to roleblock someone but NOT send in the Kill? You do realize the assumptions you're making are completely rediculous.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

LOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL

My god this is hilarious jtb you should get into comedy

 

[th3kuzinator]

And no, that's how Soup plays town and you should know this by now.

Remember when he did it to me in Dissidia but you kinda just sat there and watched cuz u were scum? I am having fun watching you rage about it now.

 

[Fynal]

By bringing attention to Kuz and myself, I expected a Home result from Kuz. Having gotten a Not Home result, he was able to avoid my trap, but still confirms he has some sort of PR.

excuse my french, but WHAT THE ****? what would a home result from kuz have proven? did he claim a PR? could he not have easily been VT?

LMAO at bolded. Don't you remember what we did at the end of twilight? We told the watcher to flip a coin between the two of us. If the watcher had targeted me and you roleblocked me, you just got outed!

only if you died JTB. kuz being some sort of investigative role would have made sense, you guys were calling eachother scummy.

JTB, im liking yer case less and less.
answer the bolded. please.


soup, stop being immature >_<

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Lol jtb cry some more

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also fynal, its called pressure, get someone angry and they can't think straight and they crack.

 

[Seikend]

Ughh.

What JTB is implying Kuz, is that you, Soup and myself are the scumteam.

A scumteam in which, as soon as either you or Soup is lynched and flipped scum, would immediately out the rest of the scumteam as confirmed scum.

 

[JTB]

excuse my french, but WHAT THE ****? what would a home result from kuz have proven? did he claim a PR? could he not have easily been VT?




only if you died JTB. kuz being some sort of investigative role would have made sense, you guys were calling eachother scummy.

JTB, im liking yer case less and less.
answer the bolded. please.


soup, stop being immature >_<

What would a home result from Kuz have proved?

He was gone N1, meaning he has some sort of PR.

He was home N2, demonstrating that he sent in the kill N1 but not N2. A PR has no reason to not target anyone.

I'm ignoring Soup right now because I don't really care for his childish behavior.

Lynch Kuz toDay, Soup tomorrow. If Ran gets lynched, he flips town and Kuz directs the blame onto someone else toMorrow.

Or if town decides to disregard scumKuz/Soup, just ****ing lynch me so I can flip town and get my point across.

Here, I'll even start the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: JTB

Tery, TBS, Fynal, AA, get on my side or get on Kuz' side. There is nothing more to it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I've done enough for now. I'm just making the thread unnecessarily long by repeating myself over and over again. I call firsts on getting to make fun of JTB the most in endgame if he's town.

If he's scum at least he's trying

Soup, knock if off for a bit. Seik wants other people's opinions on JTB/Ran and us filling the thread with smackdown isn't helping that. Just let it go for now.

Ran is the lynch toDay. AA/JTB toMorrow.

If Ran flips a scum visiting PR, JTB is confirmed scum and Fynal is confirmed town.

@Seik: I understand that. But you would have to assume a 13 man newbie game without a protective role. That's already way too much assumption for me. And then from there a ridiculous amount of variables would have to fall into place.

 

[JTB]

Also fynal, its called pressure, get someone angry and they can't think straight and they crack.

lmfao, there's a difference between pressure and being an *******. Go ask Ryker and Swiss for some tips.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Lynch Kuz toDay, Soup tomorrow.

Here, I'll even start the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: JTB

Real pro-town motive you got there.

Don't buy into his bull. We're lynching Ranmaru.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

K kuz I'm good now

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yep, ran dies toDay, and you're getting jailed.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nah we aren't jailing him toNight.

I got a better plan.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

K bro tell me what u got at night.

 

[Fynal]

The more i think about this the less i like JTB.

ran dies toDay. upon a Scummaru flip, we lynch JTB/AA (pretty even on em for toMorrow atm).

 

[ranmaru]

What would a home result from Kuz have proved?

He was gone N1, meaning he has some sort of PR.

He was home N2, demonstrating that he sent in the kill N1 but not N2. A PR has no reason to not target anyone.

I'm ignoring Soup right now because I don't really care for his childish behavior.

Lynch Kuz toDay, Soup tomorrow. If Ran gets lynched, he flips town and Kuz directs the blame onto someone else toMorrow.

Or if town decides to disregard scumKuz/Soup, just ****ing lynch me so I can flip town and get my point across.

Here, I'll even start the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: JTB

Tery, TBS, Fynal, AA, get on my side or get on Kuz' side. There is nothing more to it.

Unvote JTB. I want your vote on who you think is scum, not yourself.

Fynal, why am I scum? Have you ever been wrong before? Has kuz been?

 

[ranmaru]

The more i think about this the less i like JTB.

ran dies toDay. upon a Scummaru flip, we lynch JTB/AA (pretty even on em for toMorrow atm).

Fynal, he's a power role. If you think Kuz is obvtown for being a helpless mason (which is super duper bull **** baby), then why don't you like JTB as much?

 

[ranmaru]

like he is such a textbook example of someone trying to look good without gaining to much suscpicions. he's never in the spotlight for scumhunting, and only directed conversation basically when it suited scum goals in hindsite imo.

tbh i always felt as though he might be scum.

This is BS. I have always been in the spot light.

D1 specicfically.Then Kuz had a town read and every one believed him. (You shouldn't have, you should use your own brains)

Then toDay Kuz flips his read on me ON PURPOSE. Isn't that odd?

 

[ranmaru]

BTW if Ranmaru flips a scum PR, Jtb is CONFIRMED scum.

He changed around his story about Ran not going anywhere so that he can say it was a gambit when Ran flips as such.

You changed you read on me too.

Explain this further.

 

[asianaussie]

Read through briefly in my half hour break. I'm inclined to believe kuz/soup masonry's 'case'.

To believe JTB's case I have to assume:

- Protective role has not claimed for whatever reason, hence no protective role
This is FMP mafia, FMP is a military anime about protecting certain persons with information, no protective roles in this game is just silly - I wouldn't have be surprised if the game flavour rotated around protective roles and had 4 or 5. I'm sure judging this from flavour is acceptable.

- Seikend is scum
I no longer have a reason to assume this, please give me one if you want me to vote for kuz.

- Kuz is mafia roleblocker
If this was true kuz would have roleblocked the soft-claim JTB threw out. I believe he is not the type to miss such a detail. I think kuz addressed this too, not sure.

- Two main protagonist roles are put out as mafia safeclaims
This just doesn't seem right to me...gut instinct, feel free to disregard. In every mafia I've skimmed through, the main characters have always been role PM characters. Needless to say, Sagara and Kaname being scum is even less likely, to get rid of that possibility.

One point got through to me - what is the likelihood that scum threw out a no kill or targeted ran (and was blocked)? This would undermine the Ran scumread.

Not buying into Ran lynch, I'd prefer to lynch JTB because I feel his scum flip would confirm jailer Soup/mason Kuz, scum Ran, maybe even nurse Seikend, just as much as a Ran scumflip could (maybe more, Ran has not taken strong stances). A town flip would also validate Ran's claim and push pressure onto Seikend. I'm also thinking Tery is quite possibly scum. His claim was for the first listed character on the Fumoffu wiki entry, and seems rather lazy. I need more information on him.

Soup, you're really annoying.

Be back in like half a day.

 

[Blacknight99923]

This is BS. I have always been in the spot light.

D1 specicfically.Then Kuz had a town read and every one believed him. (You shouldn't have, you should use your own brains)

Then toDay Kuz flips his read on me ON PURPOSE. Isn't that odd?

no,

I always had a gut feeling you were scum, its just you hadn't really acted scummy so even though I had a gut feeling it would be absolutely ******** to post.

If everyone always posted what they actually thought the game wouldn't be very deep now would it.

 

[asianaussie]

Oh yeah, Soren, why wouldn't you respond to my post? Your reasoning was 'I didn't feel like it after that flip', which is bs. I'm giving you a chance to prove you're town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

A town flip would also validate Ran's claim and push pressure onto Seikend.

Whaaaaaaa?

 

[ranmaru]

Read through briefly in my half hour break. I'm inclined to believe kuz/soup masonry's 'case'.

To believe JTB's case I have to assume:

- Protective role has not claimed for whatever reason, hence no protective role
This is FMP mafia, FMP is a military anime about protecting certain persons with information, no protective roles in this game is just silly - I wouldn't have be surprised if the game flavour rotated around protective roles and had 4 or 5. I'm sure judging this from flavour is acceptable.

- Seikend is scum
I no longer have a reason to assume this, please give me one if you want me to vote for kuz.

- Kuz is mafia roleblocker
If this was true kuz would have roleblocked the soft-claim JTB threw out. I believe he is not the type to miss such a detail. I think kuz addressed this too, not sure.

- Two main protagonist roles are put out as mafia safeclaims
This just doesn't seem right to me...gut instinct, feel free to disregard. In every mafia I've skimmed through, the main characters have always been role PM characters. Needless to say, Sagara and Kaname being scum is even less likely, to get rid of that possibility.

One point got through to me - what is the likelihood that scum threw out a no kill or targeted ran (and was blocked)? This would undermine the Ran scumread.

Not buying into Ran lynch, I'd prefer to lynch JTB because I feel his scum flip would confirm jailer Soup/mason Kuz, scum Ran, maybe even nurse Seikend, just as much as a Ran scumflip could (maybe more, Ran has not taken strong stances). A town flip would also validate Ran's claim and push pressure onto Seikend. I'm also thinking Tery is quite possibly scum. His claim was for the first listed character on the Fumoffu wiki entry, and seems rather lazy. I need more information on him.

Soup, you're really annoying.

Be back in like half a day.

1. We are in a newb game, and some might not know to CC if they see a role that is the same as theirs. Proof that this happened? Luxor the cop never CC'd in BIM4 (which had newbies in it) and that was the biggest mistake ever. I wouldn't assume that just yet, but we have to make sure EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IF THEY ARE A POWER ROLE, THEY NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM.

2. If Kuz is scum, their can be a possibility Soup isn't. Kuz may have just targeted Soup and said they were masoned together, and of course Soup might accept it not knowing Kuz's alignment. (Swiss did that and Kuz just let it happen in Aimaf lol) I'm pretty sure this isn't the case here.

3. Who says Seik can't be scum? We can't verify his nurse position. How about we try to verify soup's role? Have him secretly protect someone. I don't know.

4. How can Kuz not be a mafia rb? I don't know if this can be the case, but what is going against it?


Also, in this large of a game, I'm sure there are at least 3 scum.

I disagree with a JTB lynch, verify his pr first. Don't know about Tery, need more content from him. Isn't anyone worried about ending the DAY without him posting? Isn't that letting him go under the radar?

 

[ranmaru]

no,

I always had a gut feeling you were scum, its just you hadn't really acted scummy so even though I had a gut feeling it would be absolutely ******** to post.

If everyone always posted what they actually thought the game wouldn't be very deep now would it.

I understand. You think I'm coming off a bit "Too townie" Correct? Ask yourself, am I acting genuine, am I helping? Is Kuz acting genuine? Is he helping? (Has he lynched scum?)

Come on. He had me as a scum pick d1. Lynched Swords over me for some reason. I was ok with dying. He then says I'm town d2. Then d3, he jumps back on me, without much reason.

Luckily if I'm lynched you guys will still have mislynches left, but who would you lynch next? JTB? That is a BAD idea. He's a pr.

I have also had paranoid "He's acting TOO TOWNIE" feeling. I lynched the guy (It was delvro) and he came up town.

It helps if you pick out the scummier people though. Look at intent too.

 

[th3kuzinator]

1. We are in a newb game, and some might not know to CC if they see a role that is the same as theirs. Proof that this happened? Luxor the cop never CC'd in BIM4 (which had newbies in it) and that was the biggest mistake ever. I wouldn't assume that just yet, but we have to make sure EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IF THEY ARE A POWER ROLE, THEY NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM.

2. If Kuz is scum, their can be a possibility Soup isn't. Kuz may have just targeted Soup and said they were masoned together, and of course Soup might accept it not knowing Kuz's alignment. (Swiss did that and Kuz just let it happen in Aimaf lol) I'm pretty sure this isn't the case here.

3. Who says Seik can't be scum? We can't verify his nurse position. How about we try to verify soup's role? Have him secretly protect someone. I don't know.

4. How can Kuz not be a mafia rb? I don't know if this can be the case, but what is going against it?


Also, in this large of a game, I'm sure there are at least 3 scum.

I disagree with a JTB lynch, verify his pr first. Don't know about Tery, need more content from him. Isn't anyone worried about ending the DAY without him posting? Isn't that letting him go under the radar?

1. Luxor didn't CC for a different reason entirely which is irrelevant in this situation.

2. ............................................................lol

3. How would secretly protecting someone validate his claim. "Lets direct Soup onto someone so we know not to kill that person." Great plan.

4. Because we're the only protective role claimed.

 

[asianaussie]

Whaaaaaaa?

Seems I was assuming too much.

I unconsciously made a little debate in my head and Ran and JTB were on one side, while Kuz, Soup and Seikend were on the other.

Bad reasoning on my part, I didn't read carefully enough. What exactly is the relationship between Ran and JTB at this point?

1. We are in a newb game, and some might not know to CC if they see a role that is the same as theirs. Proof that this happened? Luxor the cop never CC'd in BIM4 (which had newbies in it) and that was the biggest mistake ever. I wouldn't assume that just yet, but we have to make sure EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IF THEY ARE A POWER ROLE, THEY NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM.

More assumptions I need to make. Undecided on this.

2. If Kuz is scum, their can be a possibility Soup isn't. Kuz may have just targeted Soup and said they were masoned together, and of course Soup might accept it not knowing Kuz's alignment. (Swiss did that and Kuz just let it happen in Aimaf lol) I'm pretty sure this isn't the case here.

Kuz would have called Soup out. Kuz has called more people out than anyone in the game, and he directly addressed Soup a lot. He has also changed views on people a lot, so saying he has maintained a townread on him is not a good excuse. I remember a post where Kuz says specifically, 'If I didn't have a town read on you, I swear...', which means he really did have a solid reason for believing it.

3. Who says Seik can't be scum? We can't verify his nurse position. How about we try to verify soup's role? Have him secretly protect someone. I don't know.

Fair enough, but I'm certain that there is a protective role, and the fact that a protective role other than Soup's has not yet been claimed is odd.

4. How can Kuz not be a mafia rb? I don't know if this can be the case, but what is going against it?

Him not roleblocking JTB, who soft-claimed cop.

Don't know about Tery, need more content from him. Isn't anyone worried about ending the DAY without him posting? Isn't that letting him go under the radar?

Yes. I'm waiting for Tery.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I understand. You think I'm coming off a bit "Too townie" Correct?

-dead-

Sigged.

 

[ranmaru]

1. Luxor didn't CC for a different reason entirely which is irrelevant in this situation.

2. ............................................................lol

3. How would secretly protecting someone validate his claim. "Lets direct Soup onto someone so we know not to kill that person." Great plan.

4. Because we're the only protective role claimed.

What reason was that? I don't even KNOW. Can you tell me? It isn't because newbies may not know about that here and it'd be best to announce it, right Kuzi?

What? I'm trying to figure out your bull**** claim bro.

Scum wouldn't know.

Re-read my first paragraph. Why did you lynch Swords over me?

 

[ranmaru]

-dead-

Sigged.

Lolwut .