Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[Blacknight99923]

we must save kuz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

YES WE MUST

we're going to direct night actions soon, so keep up on that.

 

[JTB]

Soren, why is ran scummy?

 

[Blacknight99923]

because his mask is to perfect.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

JTB, why are you so consolidated to save ranmaru?

 

[Blacknight99923]

like he is such a textbook example of someone trying to look good without gaining to much suscpicions. he's never in the spotlight for scumhunting, and only directed conversation basically when it suited scum goals in hindsite imo.

tbh i always felt as though he might be scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soren is a sharp tack when he wants to be.

 

[Blacknight99923]

A mask of ignorance suits me rather well.

 

[Blacknight99923]

especially when I don't know all the rules.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

a man blinded by ignorance is but a man blinded by his own eyes.

stop staring into the sun so long soren

 

[Blacknight99923]

indeed its time i look elsewhere.

still I'm not entirely convinced JTB is scum, if he truly believs Kuz to be scum its logical that kuz would want to place blame on ran.

However I believe if those are his intentions, they are misguided.

 

[Blacknight99923]

But to be honest if that seems like rather noobish behavior if that's the case, which iirc this isn't JTBs first game.


hmmmmmm.....
I'm interested in seeing a Ranmaru flip

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ranmaru flip gives us more to work with, you can see the obvious relations and buddying with him and aa, and you've seen what jtb did right now, so yeah.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also we have a guilty on him.

 

[Blacknight99923]

As of right now Kuz and You soupa are either both town or both scum, the two of you have been unified basically everywhere that I have seen, so i believe your masons claim.

when ran flips scum your basically exonerated from any scum claims.

 

[JTB]

I know so of you may complain about a WIFOM, but if Kuzi is scum and so is Soup, it would be idiotic to attention to that fact, because then if one is scum we know that both are. It just puts them in a bad position. And if only one is scum why would the other cover... Seems stupid.
I Know WIFOM WIFOM, but hell, come on.

Riddle me this, since you want to bring up wifom.

Prior to posting my case on Kuz/Soup, I was town in their eyes. If I was scum, why would I go out of my way to make a case on them when I was already in a good position?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because you couldn't save Ran any other way than to turn on us before we found the entire scum team.

 

[JTB]

Thank you TBS

 

[JTB]

JTB, why are you so consolidated to save ranmaru?

My goal is to get scumKuz lynched. Not to save Ran.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And what will happen when Ran flips scum?

 

[JTB]

Also, want to point this out.

toDay's lynch is going to be up to Fynal, AA, Tery, and TBS. I'm still going to continue to argue for Kuz' lynch, but it's going to be ultimately up to you guys to decide who has the stronger case.

I know Tery is in AP exams right now, so we can't expect him to be posting anytime soon. I would like to hear more from the other three though.

Keep in mind though, we can only afford two more mislynches. Assuming scum kills toNight, toMorrow will begin with 8 players. Add in another mislynch and another night kill, scum will match mafia in numbers on D5 and win the game.

 

[JTB]

If Ran flips scum, I'll probably get myself modkilled out of sheer frustration.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Have fun doing that, then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey, jtb, why did you have to present a case if we already thought you were town?

Why did you care about ran dying?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How did we nk if we were out yesterday?

How did ranmaru get protected if there is no doc?

Why is the two main protagonists scum?

Why is the only protective role scum?

Why do you suck so much?

Why do you accuse us of Wifom when you Wifomed yourself multiple times?

Why do you keep pushing for our lynch when we have evidence of a guilty, and that we are telling the truth?

Why are you trying to get town to lead with you all of the sudden?

why did you want doc protection over kuz, so you could nk him last night? You only softclaimed in twilight, trying to get doc on you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why did fynal say you visited kuz?

If ranmaru was roleblocked, how can a nk occur?

 

[Fynal]

scumKuz/Soup leads to a few possibly valid explanations for things that happened:

-soup is maf RB. he RB'd me N1.
-kuz/soup decided they needed a strong claim for toDay, so they made up this jailer/mason thing.
-kuz sent the kill last Night, it got doc'd, so he decided to make the best of it.
-soup is RB, not jailer, and there is a doc hiding somewhere, hence siek's claim making more sense.
-soup asked TBS if kuz was hydra'd with him, despite kuz's name being on the list and the NO HYDRA rule, in order to distance himself from kuz (actually this is whats bothering me the most)
-etc

These parts can make sense for scumKuz/Soup. There are, however, multiple equally as valid possibilities for the evidence I have available. And what I don't like about scumKuz/Soup is just how ridiculously daring AND how ridiculously lucky kuz/soup's plan has to be. scumKuz/Soup would have to be claiming unusual roles and main flavor characters in order to get ONE LYNCH, ran, through. And once ran flipped town, they'd look rather scummy. This on top of kuz already leading town, is too big a risk for too small a gain and doesn't make sense.


I want a ran lynch toDay. I had a pretty solid scumread on ran about the time kuz flipped to thinking ran was town. I decided to postpone that read in favor of AA, my other strongest read, who (unlike ran) could prolly be lynched that Day. Then the whole X1 shenanigans, and i was convinced X1 was scum, and ran sorta slipped under the radar for me, i wanted to see a bit more scum before judging. But ran's play toDay has been scummy (diff from normal scummish looking ran), and then theres the fact that there was no NK and kuz/soup claim to have blocked ran. My ran read has solidified as very likely scum.

I don't buy into JTB being scum just yet tho. His sudden reveal that he tracked kuz N1 is bothering me, but he's looking into things about Kuz/Soup that make a lot more sense to me than X1's accusations did. Could he be trying to save ran? sure. maybe. but that IF isn't enough for me.

 

[Fynal]

wait wait wait wait

JTB, explain to me EXACTLY what this big, game changing case you had going yesterDay in twilight was.

 

[JTB]

I luld. You're not me and you don't have the skills to pull of lynches like me, so don't get cocky because you think you've found scum. It should be PAINFULLY obvious to you that Ran is scum at this point and I am wondering if that thick head of yours is coming from your scum play or if you're just playing idiotically.

lmao, if this isn't a scummy post, I don't know what is. Anyone should be able to get a lynch off if they provide a strong case, yet Kuz belittles my ability to do so and brags about how he can.

Its not going back to night actions to defend ourselves. You are ignoring the PLAIN FACT that we cannot be scum.

Explain why no protective role except us has claimed and there a nurse which definitely implies one existing.

You cannot. Your entire case is makeshift and you know it. When we lynch Ranmaru and he flips scum you'll feel so dumb dumb dumb. If he flips a scum visiting PR you'll be confirmed as scum scum scum.

I guess direction Night Actions will be impossible because JTB and Fynal somehow STILL don't trust me. When scum kill Soup toNight and I die as a result, your protection of Ran will be noted.

1) You are ignoring the PLAIN FACT that your claim can just as easily be seen as scum.
2) Instead of calling my case bad, address it. If you are town, you should have no problem telling me why I'm wrong.

Oh wow.....

I forgot about that! Good **** soup!

So yeah, JTB, how could we have sent in a no NK if we were out last Night?

lololol, kuz is a mafia PR and someone else sent the NK to adumb. It's not ****ing hard at all, I've already confirmed that you were out last night before I brought up my real result.

And yes, we were, remember when fynal got rbed?

That was us, we even said we jailed him N1.

Caught in another lie, tsk. Tsk.

lmao, and how was he suppose to know that he got protected as well? Your reasoning is bull****, he could have just as easily been mafia roleblocked.

Jtb....I can't believe it....are you actually scum?

I don't see how you could get I'm a mafia PR from that. I was gone both Nights because Soup was gone both Nights.

Again, since I was gone both Nights, you can't say I didn't send in a nk and therefore

1) LMAO, how can I not get that you are a PR from this? Fynal has already confirmed he was roleblocked, so that confirms a mafia roleblocker. Put that together with the fact that you were gone both nights, you are the roleblocker.

2) You roleblocked someone and someone else sent in the no kill. deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp, common sense

Don't even present an argument you were caught in a lie lmso

So quick to jump to conclusions.

You're stupid.

I had nothing for scum to gain if they killed me, in fact, I don't even think scum would consider it, oh wait.

Remember when I was saying I hope you get nked?

Right, if you nked me after that statement, you would look hella scummy.

So I set myself to make sure I wasn't nked, and then we knew kuz would have protection, for obvious reasons.

Checkmate again, are you done yet?

Once again, so quick to jump to conclusions. How the **** would I look scummy if you died after I called you on a scum slip? That's like calling people scummy for mislynching someone that plays scummy but flips town.

Because I gave you a threat.

And then you said


Had you have killed me, after stating that, you would look beyond scummy.

Still bull****.

Yo so...

if kuz is scum he still coulda killed someone like me who isn't very influential to the game.

Or he could keep you around because he knows how closely you follow his stances. Have fun reaching mylo and realizing you been played like a fool.

okay JTB all your post is meta from DKR, WIFOM.

that's a very solid case you have there, now find actual evidence or go away.

"BAWWW I CANT CONVINCE TOWN THAT SOMEONE IS SCUM IM GOING TO USE META ON A GAME THAT ENDED ALREADY BECAUSE META IS ALWAYS RIGHT BAWWWW"

Way to actually address my case, oh wait! You didn't! LOL

because trying to lynch kuz would be a bit retarted. Maybe toMorrow if more evidence were to show he's scummy but as of right now there isn't any reason to.

If kuz was scum I'm positive someone would have died.

WHY ARE YOU POSITIVE THAT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE DIED, HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS.

yes we are.

me and kuz have a confirmed guilty on him.

You DON'T have a confirmed guilty on him. Once again, for like the millionth time, I'll go over all the possibilities

1) Ran is scum and you jailed him.
2) Ran was targeted by scum and you jailed him.
3) Scum chose to no kill.

like he is such a textbook example of someone trying to look good without gaining to much suscpicions. he's never in the spotlight for scumhunting, and only directed conversation basically when it suited scum goals in hindsite imo.

tbh i always felt as though he might be scum.

Holy ****, give us examples and stop following kuz' almighty words.

Also we have a guilty on him.

Mk.

As of right now Kuz and You soupa are either both town or both scum, the two of you have been unified basically everywhere that I have seen, so i believe your masons claim.

when ran flips scum your basically exonerated from any scum claims.

Look at my case regarding their claim, especially the quote I bring up from Soup during D1 and ask yourself if that is truly mason behavior.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why would we want to look masoned D1?

Why are you still reaching?

Why don't you answer My why's?

 

[th3kuzinator]

LMAO, how can I not get that you are a PR from this? Fynal has already confirmed he was roleblocked, so that confirms a mafia roleblocker.

This is all you need to read to know how solid JTB's case is.

Ever heard of a jailer? Yeah, it protects and roleblocks his targets. Think about what you say before you say it next time

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why would scum nk if they could make It go into mylo?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Look at my case regarding their claim, especially the quote I bring up from Soup during D1 and ask yourself if that is truly mason behavior.

Read through the entire game. THE ENTIRE GAME.

My town read on Soup NEVER falters. The few select posts that you can bring up is us distancing from each other so we weren't OBV masons. You did the same thing about saying you were a VT yet soft claiming a PR. Its really not that hard and you know I am more than smart enough to distance myself from my mason partner.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That too, you have a lot of explaining ms jtb.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kuz, is jtb mad?

 

[Fynal]

soup (or kuz), could you point out where JTB is reaching? (still tryin to figure out exactly what reaching looks like)

JTB, my #2508. ASAP.

 

[th3kuzinator]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12470906&postcount=272

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12471914&postcount=349

10 we're masons.

Also remember that Soup literally followed me onto EVERY wagon I asked him to without so much as a question why I was directing nor one callout received from me.

"OH BUT SCUMBUDDIES DO THAT TOO"

You think I'd be really as dumb to draw such an obvious connection to my scummates?

EVERY TIME someone brought stuff up about Soup's alignment I shot them down with a definitive he's town. It amazed me you still have trouble believing this.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Fynal: Here is what JTB is saying.

Soup and myself are scum buddies. I am some sort of a mafia PR that visits, probably a roleblocker. I roleblocked you N1 and roleblocked someone randomly N2 (which would make no ****ing sense because, if I was a mafia roleblocker, don't you think I would have roleblocked the soft claimed PR which was JTB?). Soup just happens to pull of fake claiming main protagonists and is along for the ride with me despite us clearly being firm on our partner's alignment. There was no NK N2 and thus a protective role exists and JTB is saying that the real Doc still hasn't CCd and thinks that we are scum despite claiming only said PR. Seikend EXISTS which means there is a protective role in this setup. His PR even said specifically it was a protective role, not a doc specifically which further hints at a Jailer's existence.

This is ALL happening at once as opposed to the other option where Ranmaru is fake claiming VT (and he's really scummy to boot).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is reaching.

 

[th3kuzinator]

-soup is maf RB. he RB'd me N1.
-kuz/soup decided they needed a strong claim for toDay, so they made up this jailer/mason thing.
-kuz sent the kill last Night, it got doc'd, so he decided to make the best of it.
-soup is RB, not jailer, and there is a doc hiding somewhere, hence siek's claim making more sense.
-soup asked TBS if kuz was hydra'd with him, despite kuz's name being on the list and the NO HYDRA rule, in order to distance himself from kuz (actually this is whats bothering me the most)
-etc

1. Soup is a Jailer.
2. Does my reaction coming into D2 resemble ANYTHING like a scum whose NK just failed? Why hasn't the real Doc CCd?
3. Again, Soup is a Jailer and there is not other protective role CCing.
4. Distancing each other so we weren't obv-masons. If this is the thing that bothers you the most then you don't have much to complain about.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Also @ JTB. I claimed the fact that I was not home (with Soup) both Nights before you had claimed your results. What did you have to gain about lying about your N1 action to theoretically out me when you already knew I would be out both Nights? Scummy gambit to save Ranmaru's hide if you ask me.