Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[th3kuzinator]

Kool.

@Tery: Have you read anything from D3 on?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I've tried. Ranmaru wagon, Asianaussie callouts, and the mass claim, in essence.

Again, I'm really sorry. I'm quite discombobulated and will be for another two weeks. AP exams took 7.5 hours today. I'll be dead for another week.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Who're your scum picks currently from just the claims?

 

[Blacknight99923]

i would assume any scum would claim to be a town vanilla or something.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I have already asked about that in newb 10, actually. That's how I know.

Remember? You were with me. Tery was the jailer.

If the RB comes before wouldn't the protect be RB'd then? lol.

Is any of this supposed to be a question to the mod?

Please note the Night action resolution type is noted in the OP of the thread.

 

[JTB]

@mod request votecount

as well as an updated list in the first post.

 

[ranmaru]

Is any of this supposed to be a question to the mod?

Please note the Night action resolution type is noted in the OP of the thread.

No, sorry.

But thank you, I'll re-read it.

 

[JTB]

Okay, we are lynching Kuz toDay, Soup tomorrow.

Vote: th3kuzinator

Town, you are easily being fooled by a very experienced player. While it may look like Kuz is doing extreme amounts of work and scumhunting, he has yet to deliver a single scum to us. Take a look at his play from D2 twilight, you can see that he puts effort before results.

I've put 10x the amount of time into this game than anyone else. I am not expecting a pat on the back for it, but implying that I have done nothing to help town is just idiotic. I have read the thread, found my scumpicks, tried to evaluate which push was the most productive and done so to the best of my abilities.

If you had a problem with the way I was doing things, why did you not step in a do it differently?

Until I have poved my worth?

I've done 10x the stuff you have and never bragged about it. Stop being so full of yourself because you soft claimed a PR (which is bull**** btw) and expect to get doc protect because of it.

Also, ever hear of bussing? -dead- at you thinking town worth is measured by amount of scum flips you champion.

not gonna lie #2096 should be enough to lynch kuz. He acts like effort = town but results dont (massively untrue). Funnily enough scum can put in unlimited amounts of effort but unlike town, they have to be careful about the amount of results.

So what has Kuz done for town? A brief summary of his D2 play

- Change of heart on Ran, Ran town
- X1 wagon, VT claim
- AA wagon, VT claim
- JTB wagon, PR softclaim
- Intent for a Tery wagon, gets shut down

I want to go into more detail about the potential Tery wagon. I previously called him on it, saying that Kuz wanted to get Tery to claim D2 as well, but I didn't push it enough. Going back, I found that Kuz definitely had the intent to get Tery to claim.

Ommgggggg could we actually do a Tery wagon toDay? That would actually make me ecstatic.

I've been wanting to lynch that slot since UTD's post at the beginning of toDay but I thought it would not be kosher since he found a replacement so close to the deadline.

Bolded illustrates Kuz' intent. People almost always claim at L-1, so lynch/claim can be used interchangeably in this case.

So, his D2 play culminated in 3 claims instead of the 4 that he wanted.

Moving on to the mason claim.

It's straight up bull****. It's an incredibly safe claim for a scumplayer with no means of proving it without a flip of either of the proclaimed masons. But that's not all.

Let me bring attention to this early game post by Soup.

blue, might i ask which head is posting?

kuz? or rhino?

This post alone should place suspicion on the claim. If Soup and Kuz were truly masoned, there was ABSOLUTELY no need for Soup to ask this. But as scum, by asking this question, they are distancing themselves as scumbuds. There was absolutely no reason to believe that Kuz was hydra'ed with TBS, yet Soup brings it up for some reason. Also, check the rules.

# Hydras will not be allowed in this game, sorry all.

Oh, more rules that we can bring up!

Common roles can be found here.

Some helpful mafia theory can be found here, please note that while I can confirm no roles will no be in this game or be in this game, this is a newbie game and to reinforce the fundamentals it will tend to have simplistic non-swingy roles to emphasize smart play and the fundamentals of the game.

HELPLESS MASON IS AN NON-EXISTENT ROLE. IT HAS NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE. GO AHEAD AND SEARCH MAFIASCUM.NET, YOU WILL GET NOTHING. IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THAT A ROLE LIKE THIS WOULD BE CREATED FOR A NEWBIE GAME AFTER GIVEN A LINK TO A LIST OF COMMON ROLES.

Kuz THRIVES on these kinds of roles. He pulled the same stunt in Diddy Kong Racing after receiving a confirmed guilty as an indy. He made up a role that had never existed before AND pertained to flavor. Here, I'll quote it for you guys.

Sorry, got hella sidetracked by my parents wanting me to do stuff

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I am TT, Town Time Machine. In other words im a Tracker/Watcher combo.

Each night I send the mod one name and I will randomly either Track or Watch that person and the mod will give me said result w/ indication of which action was chosen.

In my role PM, the flavor explanation for this is that I am able to watch over every domain in the game and therefore have the ability to see everything each player does at Night (if you know DKR, TT is present in every single world).

Whats the catch? I can only use this ability 3 times and if I ever specifically target Wizpig, I will die that same Night. Apparently Wizpig knows the island as well as I do and would notice me had I visited him.

So. Here is what has happened thus far:

N1: Targeted July (hoped I would get watcher and see anyone who tried to RB/Kill July; knew I would not be targeting wizpig) --> My action failed for whatever reason (I think we are going to need to talk to the mod about this one, because I think it involved being part of the N1 action mixup. Unless there is also another roleblocker that I don't know about).

However, the mod still gave me back one of my three uses due to the action failing.

N2: Targeted July (Same rationale) --> Got tracker. Saw her visit Nabe.

N3: Targeted July again (Same ratinoale) --> Got tracker again. Saw her visit me last Night.

July you can now out that you visited me, just wanted to make sure I said that before you did so you could confirm it.

So yeah, I have one use left but, since wizpig is dead, I won't have to worry about dying from that specifically.

One thing you should notice is how well he weaves his role in with the flavor of the game.

Now, let's look at his claim for this game.

I'll claim then. IDC really.

I'm Kaname Chidori, Town Helpless Mason

I bet you can't guess who I'm masoned with <_<

Means that if my partner somehow dies, I will become helpless and die along with them that same phase. However, if I die my partner will live on because he is not helpless. In addition, I also follow them wherever they go during the Night since I need to be constantly supervised. Fits the flavor oh so nicely.

And no its not TBS. When you think about flavor, its so obvious.

Notice how in both games, he uses flavor to back up his claims. This is his actual role in DKR, if you want to see it.

Now, this is a good entry point into talking about flavor in mafia. Any smart player will tell you that flavor, by any means, should NEVER be used to scum hunt/confirm roles. There are many, many, MANY games that flavor does not match up with the roles given and to say otherwise is a flat out lie.

Kuz surely knows this, but wait!

Good luck convincing everyone that Kaname and Sagara, the two main protaganists, town masons, and the only claimed protective role are scum.

*twiddles thumbs*

Ran you dense?

Main protagonists. Masons. Only protective role claimed.

and From Seik'd POV. He's a nurse which confirms the existence of a protective role.

Here we have Kuz USING flavor to further back up his claim, despite KNOWING that flavor should never be used as a defense. Hell, just look at the rules again!

I am not Overswarm, as such my games will emphasize smart day play and scumhunting.

Overswarm bit refers to the massive amount of flavor that OS puts into his games (take a look at Super Heroes mafia if you want to see) and its relevance to the roles that are given. So what does this mean?

Adumb created this game to 'emphasive smart day play and scumhunting', or on the flipside, to not have the game revolve around flavor.

Kuz is playing town for a bunch of fools because it's unlikely that newbies will catch on to the things like this. If X1, Gova, or Swords were around, they would have picked up on it too (oh, and why aren't they around? Kuz pushed for a lynch on 2 of them and Gova was NK'ed.).

tl;dr version

- Kuz is giving the illusion of scumhunting when in reality, hes narrowing down the list of potential PRs for scum to kill.
- His claim is not true and can be evidenced by the post I quoted and the rules of the game
- His claim matches that of another claim he made as anti-town
- His use of flavor as a means of defense for his claim

Our scum are Kuz and Soup. Doc, if you are hiding among the VT's, claim now, otherwise our third scum is Seikend

We are lynching Kuz toDay. We are NOT deviating from this at all. If we don't get rid of scum toDay, town moves to mylo tomorrow. Be SMART about this town, look at the case, and vote Kuz with me.

 

[JTB]

Oh, one more thing to note regarding claims.

Scum are given a list of claims called safe claims, which are essential roles/flavor that are not in the game and cannot be counterclaimed. So scum was told that the two main characters were not in the game and used them in their own claims.

 

[JTB]

Oh, I completely forgot to include this as well, but I cba to do it right now because I'm completely exhausted and about to knock out

Re-read D2 twilight with the roles that Kuz and I have claimed in mind. If Kuz was masoned with Soup, Kuz shouldn't be directing the doctor to himself. If Soup were to die, Kuz would die too.

I'll go into this more tomorrow afternoon when I get home from my volunteer stuff, but it should be pretty obvious.

 

[JTB]

ok, last post then I'm really out

Seikend, have you ever heard of the Nurse role prior to this game?

 

[Seikend]

I had heard of a Nurse, yes. I didn't know it's mechanics though. IIRC it's referenced on wikipedia but it's pretty obscure.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

JTB, first off, we are two main protagonists..yadda yadda blah

Secondly, we have a confirmed guilty by me.

Thirdly, you're being stupid, really stupid.

Finally, just because we didn't deliver scum to your front door doesn't mean anything, what have you done? Again, I ask you, what have you done.

Nothing.

You realize that mods can make changes to fit the flavor, right?

In fmp, sousuke is sworn to protect kaname, and seeing how I'm a jailer and all, and kuz is kaname..yeah.

Kaname in fmp is just a high school student, and she gets into a lot of **** and etc.

What about in bingo, jtb? We have the mod tweaking a role so it fits the flavor, do we not?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also I'm sure the mod wouldn't leave the main characters of the show, that has literally never happened.

That would ruin the flavor, and neither of us are sadeclaiming' kuz is confirmed town to me, I'm confirmed town to him.

Everything thing else in your post is idiotic and beyond reaching, everyone has claimed, literally, and the newbies wouldn't hide their real role like that, in fact, most of them copy pastaed, and the only other prs are you, seik, and fynal.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Okay JTB. How about you sit down and use your head for 2 seconds.

There was a no kill N2, right? No bulletproof has claimed so what do you think that implies? There's a protective role. Who's the only protective role that has claimed? Soup, the jailer. He is also masoned, not neighbored, masoned, with me. Just because I have been known to pull of elaborate gambits doesn't mean I always gambit my god. Pull your head out of whatever crevice you put it in and think about things.

 

[th3kuzinator]

We are lynching Kuz toDay. We are NOT deviating from this at all. If we don't get rid of scum toDay, town moves to mylo tomorrow. Be SMART about this town, look at the case, and vote Kuz with me.

I luld. You're not me and you don't have the skills to pull of lynches like me, so don't get cocky because you think you've found scum. It should be PAINFULLY obvious to you that Ran is scum at this point and I am wondering if that thick head of yours is coming from your scum play or if you're just playing idiotically.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also look at os games too jtb, he edits roles all the time to fit the flavor.

Also what kuz said, enjoy being jailed N3.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I would WELCOME any protective roles to CC us like JTB asked.

Because, for any of what JTB said to make ANY sense, a protective role would have to be hiding among the VTs and for some reason still hasn't CCd me yet. Please, protective role, if you CC you out both soup and me scum. Don't be shy CC for us.

@LOL @ JTB saying this would be a safe move for scum. Lets claim masons and doc. This should be easy to get away with.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and I forgot, since Seikend EXISTS then that means there is a protective role out there somewhere, so don't bother with the no doc in this setup WIFOM.

 

[Fynal]

Okay JTB. How about you sit down and use your head for 2 seconds.

There was a no kill N2, right? No bulletproof has claimed so what do you think that implies? There's a protective role. Who's the only protective role that has claimed? Soup, the jailer. He is also masoned, not neighbored, masoned, with me. Just because I have been known to pull of elaborate gambits doesn't mean I always gambit my god. Pull your head out of whatever crevice you put it in and think about things.

If you guys were scum, you could have just as easily no NK'd to set yourselves up for a good claim. You could have RB'd me N1 for some reason, as maf roleblocker, not jailer. There could actually be a doc out there, which would make siek's claim make more sense. A lot of if's.

also, refering to soup's asking about the hydra-ing, was that before or after people got their role PMs? i forget and don't have much time atm

if theres a doc, claim now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Are you really trying to nudge me Fynal?

I'm also confused as to what you mean by "a lot of ifs." You mean IF we decided to randomly not NK and IF Seikend's role didn't actually imply there wasn't specifically a doc and IF one of us are mafia roleblockers and IF a doc actually exists and hasn't CCd up until this time for some reason, knowing that he could out two scum if he did and IF Adumbrodeus made the two main characters scum fake claims.

Yeah, a lot of ifs.

 

[JTB]

freaking smashboards going down right im about to post earlier

JTB, first off, we are two main protagonists..yadda yadda blah

Secondly, we have a confirmed guilty by me.

Thirdly, you're being stupid, really stupid.

Finally, just because we didn't deliver scum to your front door doesn't mean anything, what have you done? Again, I ask you, what have you done.

Nothing.

You realize that mods can make changes to fit the flavor, right?

In fmp, sousuke is sworn to protect kaname, and seeing how I'm a jailer and all, and kuz is kaname..yeah.

Kaname in fmp is just a high school student, and she gets into a lot of **** and etc.

What about in bingo, jtb? We have the mod tweaking a role so it fits the flavor, do we not?

1) Using flavor even more to defend their roles
2) Confirmed guilty by a jailer? LOL
3) Completely missing the point of my first three quotes, I'm not the one acting as if my efforts should be counted more than my results
4) Role in question is not the jailer, its the helpless mason

Also I'm sure the mod wouldn't leave the main characters of the show, that has literally never happened.

That would ruin the flavor, and neither of us are sadeclaiming' kuz is confirmed town to me, I'm confirmed town to him.

Everything thing else in your post is idiotic and beyond reaching, everyone has claimed, literally, and the newbies wouldn't hide their real role like that, in fact, most of them copy pastaed, and the only other prs are you, seik, and fynal.

Using flavor even moooooooore to defend their roles. Who's the one reaching here, you or me?

Okay JTB. How about you sit down and use your head for 2 seconds.

There was a no kill N2, right? No bulletproof has claimed so what do you think that implies? There's a protective role. Who's the only protective role that has claimed? Soup, the jailer. He is also masoned, not neighbored, masoned, with me. Just because I have been known to pull of elaborate gambits doesn't mean I always gambit my god. Pull your head out of whatever crevice you put it in and think about things.

Irrelevant to my actual case, all you are doing is spreading WIFOM on scums night actions.

Also look at os games too jtb, he edits roles all the time to fit the flavor.

Also what kuz said, enjoy being jailed N3.

Missed the point again. OS creates roles based on the flavor. Adumb posted that he doesnt.

I would WELCOME any protective roles to CC us like JTB asked.

Because, for any of what JTB said to make ANY sense, a protective role would have to be hiding among the VTs and for some reason still hasn't CCd me yet. Please, protective role, if you CC you out both soup and me scum. Don't be shy CC for us.

@LOL @ JTB saying this would be a safe move for scum. Lets claim masons and doc. This should be easy to get away with.

Because my ENTIRE case revolves around a doc coming out and cc'ing, right? The only thing that involves is Seikends role.

Oh and I forgot, since Seikend EXISTS then that means there is a protective role out there somewhere, so don't bother with the no doc in this setup WIFOM.

>implying Seikend is not scum

If you guys were scum, you could have just as easily no NK'd to set yourselves up for a good claim. You could have RB'd me N1 for some reason, as maf roleblocker, not jailer. There could actually be a doc out there, which would make siek's claim make more sense. A lot of if's.

also, refering to soup's asking about the hydra-ing, was that before or after people got their role PMs? i forget and don't have much time atm

if theres a doc, claim now.

The hydra'ing post was far after the game had officially started.

Also, Kuz is mafia roleblocker or some sort of other scum PR. The fact that he was not at home last Night after I brought all the attention to ourselves during twilight means he's either super ballsy scum and sent in the kill (which is unlikely) or has another role that he use more safely. I say RB because you were roleblocked N1 Fynal.

Kuz/Soup are still defending their roles with flavor, mod WIFOM, and night action WIFOM. All of the points in my case still stand.

 

[JTB]

ok, leaving until the afternoon

i also noticed soup/kuz completely ignored my post about directing the doc onto kuz when it should've been directed onto soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

here JTB, i'll reason with you buddy.

- all newbies have copy pastaed their roles, and they all said VT.
- the only people who are left and claimed a PR are YOU,SEIK,FYNAL.

THE DOC WOULD NOT GAMBIT SAYING HE WAS ANOTHER ROLE.

YOU ARE NOT DOC.
SEIK IS NOT DOC.
FYNAL IS NOT DOC.

THE NEWBIES ARE NOT DOC.

Ranmaru can't be doc either, we jailed him.

so what does that mean????

SCUM DIDN'T NK.
WE ROLEBLOCKED THE KILL.

 

[JTB]

Stop going back to night results to defend yourself. Scum could have chosen to no kill or chosen to kill ran. You are assuming that Ran is the sole scum member.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Jtb, you are slow.

We have been stating aa is the 2nd scumbud, and that there is a 3rd in the prs.

I really trust seik and fynal then you right now, you have no evident case besides what ifs, you even confirmed that we weren't home yesterday, how could we have nked?

Oh ****...look who is the scum now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Its not going back to night actions to defend ourselves. You are ignoring the PLAIN FACT that we cannot be scum.

Explain why no protective role except us has claimed and there a nurse which definitely implies one existing.

You cannot. Your entire case is makeshift and you know it. When we lynch Ranmaru and he flips scum you'll feel so dumb dumb dumb. If he flips a scum visiting PR you'll be confirmed as scum scum scum.

I guess direction Night Actions will be impossible because JTB and Fynal somehow STILL don't trust me. When scum kill Soup toNight and I die as a result, your protection of Ran will be noted.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Also guys, count how many myslynches you have left.

Basically Ranmaru admitting he is not of the same alignment as the rest of us.

To answer his question. Because of us blocking the NK, we have 2 MLs left. We won't need em though.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Fynal already confirmed I visited you last Night. You were not at home, which fits with your role.Your results please.

Uh-oh, looks we caught you in a lie.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Check mate mother****er.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh wow.....

I forgot about that! Good **** soup!

So yeah, JTB, how could we have sent in a no NK if we were out last Night?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

*waits for jtbs response*

 

[JTB]

There's no contradiction, kuz is a mafia pr.

Btw, I faked my n1 result. I targeted kuz both night to see if I could catch him in a lie today. Reasoning for n1 is because he was the most towny and resminded me of gheb Schum in dissidia. He was gone both nights

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rofl

That's the weakest argument I've ever heard

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And yes, we were, remember when fynal got rbed?

That was us, we even said we jailed him N1.

Caught in another lie, tsk. Tsk.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Jtb....I can't believe it....are you actually scum?

I don't see how you could get I'm a mafia PR from that. I was gone both Nights because Soup was gone both Nights.

Again, since I was gone both Nights, you can't say I didn't send in a nk and therefore

Explain why no protective role except us has claimed and there a nurse which definitely implies one existing.

Still has merit.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Lynch Ranmaru. When he flips scum lynch JTB or AA toMorrow.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scum team confirmed kuz.

Ran/aa/jtb.

He said ran was home so he sounded town.

But now he said he lied to catch us

Lmao

 

[th3kuzinator]

Hi Seikend.

Vote ranmaru for me, kay?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Love you forever seikend. <3