Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[Blacknight99923]

thank you will look now

 

[JTB]

Oh, I can answer those questions with the information I have right now.

1) Implies you don't have a strong scum read on Seikend, vote wasn't necessary at all in the first place

2) Kuz town

3) X1 for toDay. scumX1 flip essentially clears Kuz for me. I wouldn't be certain of scumKuz though on a townX1 flip because X1's arguments are pretty dumb.

I know I previously stated that kuz vs X1 is a TvS, but after re-reading it, it's a possible it could be a TvT if X1 flips town.

I also have other people to consider on both flips, but I don't want to go into them yet so I can continue to get reads from them.

 

[Blacknight99923]

a vibe that someone doesn't want to commit @ kuz

 

[Blacknight99923]

@ JTB so your saying I didn't have a read? Is that all?

It doesn't look wishy washy to you in anyway?

 

[JTB]

If you had taken a stronger stance against Seikend, I would consider it wishy-washy. But you didn't.

It appears to me that the intent of your question was to ask me if you look scummy.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Yes, because any pro town member should always be scum hunting, and I wanted to know how you would voice your thoughts if asked directly.

 

[JTB]

I guess. People asking if they look scummy to others has always been a peeve of mine because it gives scum a chance to change their playstyles to that of more pro-town while using the WIFOM that they are just trying to be more town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not all pro-town members need to be active in order to be pro-town, soren.

JTB, can you give me your full thoughts on X1? and i don't mean right now, i mean in general, what is your conscensus about hm?

 

[Blacknight99923]

Soupamario whats your thoughts on JTB while we're waiting (which could be a while)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also regarding your post about me JTB, you shouldn't worry about that, use it as a means of pressure or to tell someone "im on to you."

@Soren
I have a case ready, but now is not the time.

 

[JTB]

Which post are you referring to?

 

[Blacknight99923]

would you be willing to give us a general thought then? @ soupa

 

[JTB]

Soren, there is no reason to ask him to do that preemptively.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Why not?
I understand why he doesn't want to give a giant post but I don't understand why he wouldn't be willing to give a null, townish, scummish short response

 

[JTB]

Because if he gives an initial impression on me, he taints any future responses from me that he could use when posting his case.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

actually..i'm willing to pull my case out toDay if the majority of town agrees.

@JTB the above, you shouldn't worry or be concerned calling someone scum, even if they change their playstyle, you should catch on and see that they now have a drastic change in personality and play for that time being, and then you decide if they are still scummy or not.

also, i'm willing to answer Soren's questions if he gives them, and answer my read.

JTB for me right now is null, but recent play worries me.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I appreciate you being open Supa

 

[th3kuzinator]

@JTB: Why did you ask X1 if you could wagon me after X1 posted his stuff and then say X1 is scum and Soup is town after I posted my stuff? If you realize that most of X1's arguments are bull, why did you originally want to wagon me?

 

[Blacknight99923]

I second Kuz's question.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Also for anyone wishing to know my current thoughts

Town
Kuz
Soupa( could drop to null at any time though)

Scumish
JTB
maybe AA
Scum
X1

null atm everyone else. However my stances may change

 

[JTB]

Got on it for reads. After Gheb's pro-town play in Dissidia as scum, I've always considered that the most pro-town players could be scum.

I thought your change of heart on Ranmaru was scummy and is why I wanted to wagon you over Seikend, but I was happy with your explanation on it from Newbie 11.

 

[JTB]

Oh yeah, regarding Soup, his behavior when breaking down X1's argument reminds me alot of his town behavior, so I had a town read on him.

 

[Blacknight99923]

@anyone what day did JTB jump on the wagon?

I wasn't really here at all day 1 LOL

 

[JTB]

What wagon are you referring to?

 

[Blacknight99923]

the one on Kuz

 

[JTB]

I never actually went on Kuz, I asked X1 if we could wagon him.

Then Kuz posted his defense and I went on X1.

My bad for saying I got on kuz, that was just a brain fart.

The post in question is here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's a very shifty question, firstly, why would you need someone's okay to wagon on someone, and why not just vote him if you really believed him to be scum at that point?

 

[Blacknight99923]

your next post at X1 wasn't really detailing you had a change of heart.

truth be told it makes me want to believe you only said X1 was scum after it was the overall consunsus so you could evade suspicion.

 

[Blacknight99923]

X1 I see you in this thread what are your thoughts about JTB?

 

[JTB]

I was still toying with the possibility of a scumKuz. My ultimate goal was to get a wagon on Kuz so I could get more reads.

In retrospect, yes, I should've just voted Kuz in the same post I asked X1 if we could get on his wagon.

In regards to your second question, like before, I wasn't sure of a scumKuz yet.

 

[JTB]

Soren, give me the posts you are talking about so I don't have to keep going back and finding them.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But JTB, you say you wanted to get a wagon on kuz, right?

you had all the information right there, you coulda just went with X1 and said 'yup X1 is right and kuz is wrong we lynch kuz toDay.' but you didn't, in fact, i think that's the only thing i remembering you saying at all about that conflict..why?

 

[JTB]

I gathered that X1 wanted to go the route of Seikend while I wanted to go the route of Kuz.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh, I can answer those questions with the information I have right now.

1) Implies you don't have a strong scum read on Seikend, vote wasn't necessary at all in the first place

2) Kuz town

3) X1 for toDay. scumX1 flip essentially clears Kuz for me. I wouldn't be certain of scumKuz though on a townX1 flip because X1's arguments are pretty dumb.

I know I previously stated that kuz vs X1 is a TvS, but after re-reading it, it's a possible it could be a TvT if X1 flips town.

I also have other people to consider on both flips, but I don't want to go into them yet so I can continue to get reads from them.

In one point you say I am town. In the next you say that a town X1 flip doesn't necessarily damn me, implying your town read would flip flop. Is my town read dependent on X1's flip or am I town either way?

I apologize for not posting the past few days. When the X1-Kuz exchange started, I felt overwhelmed by the content and had no idea how to jump in correctly, so I started lurking for the time being. I'll be re-reading and posting at some point today.

This is obviously untrue as directly after X1 posted his content you asked him if you could wagon me. After I posted my content you voted X1 and then said Soup was town. You obviously felt comfortable enough jumping in with opposing stances which implies you read the info I presented (I hope).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@JTB
Why did it matter which route X1 went, it almost sounds like you were depending on X1 to fight your own battles.

 

[Blacknight99923]

And after Kuz was cleared why didn't you push for seikend scum?

 

[JTB]

@Kuz, your town read doesn't have to do with X1. I had a town read on you starting from D1. Once you brought up the change of heart from Newbie 11, I felt better about the Ran town read and didn't see anything scummy from you.

Second quote is eh. I skimmed the arguments presented by both and noticed the stuff regarding Ran and placed my stances on the basis of that.

@Soup, you can't wagon a player by yourself. I wanted the support of X1.

have to leave until later this afternoon now

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I had a town read on you starting from D1. Once you brought up the change of heart from Newbie 11, I felt better about the Ran town read and didn't see anything scummy from you.

NO
10 NO
1000000 NO

someone tell me why this post sucks, anyone but kuz.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Unvote Vote: JTB

good lord man

 

[Blacknight99923]

Vote: JTB

great catch on that post Soupa.

This is my first game so I cannot comment on newbie 11.


So the top scum picks are
JTB
X1-12
????