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Newbie 18: Rosario Vampire Mafia ~Game Over, Town Wins!~ BadWolf Foiled!

BarDulL

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(you just enjoy being lynched first don't you)

I didn't say you were town Bardull. I said I re-read with a mindset of you being town telling off Soup to see if it fit (and it did relatively ok so you're null). Like I said: this is not to be confused with me thinking what you did was good or constructive. (i.e. not a town read)
You know I love you. Just checking on you to see if you're low key up to no good. I don't like your switch and sudden open mindedness, but I'll leave it alone for now (since it would be the excuse scum would use since it seemed like I wasn't going to be the play with Rake/Zen backing me.) Who are you looking at at this very instant?

@Badwolf, my assumed arrogance isn't inherently scummy. Your point about me trying to backdoor is interesting, but consider that I've played 10+ mafia games and I've been through RVS more than once. Saying my vote was an RVS vote would have been easy, TOO easy. I took a different route this time around.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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After deep thought and viewing this game long enough, I have decided to come back /in.

I want Bardull to keep anything personal out of this game and I will get moderators involved if he continues to instigate people, I don't know if he has been because I have him blocked, but I hope I make myself clear.
 

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@Bardull: So far waiting for some developments in a Soup replacement and looking for some more content from Shotty/Rake/Hipster. Seeing what Zen responds with shouldn't be a bad thing either.
 

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Aaaaand ninja...


Nix on waiting for a Soup replacement then.



@Soup: ... how do you plan on reading this game minus a player exactly?
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I un-ignored him, I wanted to make myself clear before playing, and that if Bardull throws another insult I will get moderators involved, I don't like having to do this but I feel it's necessary.
 

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~Vote Count 1.6~

1.) Vinyl. {0} -
2.) Jdietz43 {0} -
3.) BadWolf28738 {0} -
4.) HipsterSister {0} -
5.) BarDulL {2 -
} - Vinyl., Яagnarock
6.) Anomandaris_Rake {0} -
7.) Shottymaster {2 -
} - Anomandaris_Rake, Jdietz43
8.) Ramen King {0} -
9.) Яagnarock {0} -

Not Voting {5 -
} - BadWolf28738, HipsterSister, BarDulL, Shottymaster, Ramen King

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to Lynch!

Deadline is set for June 3rd, at 12:00pm Midnight!

Soup~Яagnarock returns to the game! Thanks!
 

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Alright then. Not a ton has changed since you left, so I expect you to be back up to speed shortly.


@Zen: if you would clear up your stance (or reluctance to elaborate on said) wrt Bardull I would be much obliged so I know where you're at right now.


@Soup: Opinions on how Bardull has continued would be nice


@Rake: Just say something. How about the chances Vinyl is coasting right now. (I feel it's quite possible)
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Bardull is still scum, no matter what he says I was not personally attacking him nor was it a reason as to why I voted him, his play this game has been abysmal and his ego on top of things does not make it better.

I don't know. I want to think he decided to rage quit because he realized I was Town and he couldn't change his course without either appearing to look weaker than me or because he realized he'd appear scummy in the midst of doing it, but it's hard to say.

His continued pressing against me and the points he was making had nothing to do with finding scum, it had everything to do with a personal dislike for myself. He proved this with his subsequent rage quit and request for replacement. This line of logic can be further extended by the fact that Soup wasn't necessarily in danger of being lynched, so I don't see a clear scum incentive for replacing out, although Zen had presumably developed a scum read on Soup and Soup's reaction to this was seemingly startled.

As I said earlier, dumb vs. scum. I'm sitting on my vote for the time being.
This is such crap and you know it, I stated my reasoning for everything and you took the argument and turned it personal, you are openly ignoring any points made and it's disgusting. I was disturbed by Zen's vote on me in a sense that he didn't see my point of logic, I don't know why he thinks you're town and I'd really like to find out soon. This whole post is riddled with backdoors and strawmans, Am I scum? Am I Dumb? Could you make up your mind already?

I see you've already done this with JDietz just now, which realllly isn't helping your case here Bardull.

Didn't you just say I was null? Why are you now saying that you read me as Town?

Dot dot dot.

Think we found our first scum, gents.
You know I love you. Just checking on you to see if you're low key up to no good. I don't like your switch and sudden open mindedness, but I'll leave it alone for now (since it would be the excuse scum would use since it seemed like I wasn't going to be the play with Rake/Zen backing me.) Who are you looking at at this very instant?

@Badwolf, my assumed arrogance isn't inherently scummy. Your point about me trying to backdoor is interesting, but consider that I've played 10+ mafia games and I've been through RVS more than once. Saying my vote was an RVS vote would have been easy, TOO easy. I took a different route this time around.
Couldn't make a hard stance with a gun pointed to his head. What the hell are you doing bardull? You act agressively towards your slots and then completely back off when given chase? You want to talk about someone not scumhunting? This whole game you've surrounded yourself with a holier than thou presence in a hope that people will listen to you and think you're someone to fear or someone to respect, which really in the end makes you look more pathetic than you already are, and scum.

Tighten your seatbelt because you're in for a wild ride Bardull.
 

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my assumed arrogance isn't inherently scummy. Your point about me trying to backdoor is interesting, but consider that I've played 10+ mafia games and I've been through RVS more than once. Saying my vote was an RVS vote would have been easy, TOO easy. I took a different route this time around.
You still haven't answered all of my arguments. Vote: BarDulL
 

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Bardull is still scum, no matter what he says I was not personally attacking him nor was it a reason as to why I voted him, his play this game has been abysmal and his ego on top of things does not make it better.



This is such crap and you know it, I stated my reasoning for everything and you took the argument and turned it personal, you are openly ignoring any points made and it's disgusting. I was disturbed by Zen's vote on me in a sense that he didn't see my point of logic, I don't know why he thinks you're town and I'd really like to find out soon. This whole post is riddled with backdoors and strawmans, Am I scum? Am I Dumb? Could you make up your mind already?

I see you've already done this with JDietz just now, which realllly isn't helping your case here Bardull.





Couldn't make a hard stance with a gun pointed to his head. What the hell are you doing bardull? You act agressively towards your slots and then completely back off when given chase? You want to talk about someone not scumhunting? This whole game you've surrounded yourself with a holier than thou presence in a hope that people will listen to you and think you're someone to fear or someone to respect, which really in the end makes you look more pathetic than you already are, and scum.

Tighten your seatbelt because you're in for a wild ride Bardull.
Not going to respond to this. You're just tunneling me.
 

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1st: I don't fall for peer pressure. That's a scum tell and I will NOT do that to myself.

2nd: You answered 2 arguments of mine. I want you to answer the rest of them.

3rd: You have dodged so many statements towards you it isn't even funny. Right now I might feel all right with a Bar lynch.

4th: I have given you questions and you no answers. This is just terrible play in general.

5th: MAYBE if you answer my statements, then I might unvote.
 

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Me not answering your arguments doesn't warrant putting me at L-1. Take your vote off and tell me which points you want me to address.
He's putting you at L-2 and it's perfectly reasonable for his vote to be there if you still haven't answered his questions.

You were at L-1 the other day for quite a while and really didn't seem to care a whole lot, why do you care now?
 

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I'll try and be as straight faced as I can possibly be for this post.

I know pre-game and all that jazz, but at this point we already knew our roles. He was either being stupid and revealing or just trying to be coy. I don't like the fact that he was playing around with the fact that he might be scum.
It was a joke.

He doesn't even seem to try to get reads on anyone before going straight into lynch mode. This was his third post?

Lynching Vinyl because of his Kirby avatar was anything but me being serious. I wasn't trying to lynch anyone in that post, can you elaborate exactly how you came to that conclusion?

He's avoiding the question. This is not even a funny answer. It surprises me that he even tried to pull this in the first place.
I wasn't avoiding the question. It's not hard for me to just answer "it was an RVS vote." I decided not to answer him that way because I wanted to experiment with a different route.

Anndd now he's being condescending. Not only does this post not make any ground for town it instigated the wonderfully long pissy fit between Soup and him. So even if he is town he's being an idiot. Scum want's us to do this! You're not making any good arguments.
Firstly, being condescending isn't a scum tell. Secondly, you're calling me an idiot in the same post, which makes you a hypocrite. Don't tell me to not be condescending when you yourself are being condescending.

For the record, my "pissy fit" with Soup generated plenty of reads from just about everyone, and we have a lot to discuss because of it now.

Still condescending...
As I said before, being condescending isn't a scum tell.

Oh! He added being insulting to the list!
That's how I felt about Soup's play at that point in time. Call it insulting if you want, but that was my read.

While still in the middle of the "fight". He decides to yet again try and dodge the question directed at him.
How was I dodging the question here? Compromise isn't the same as dodging.

Condescending yet again....
We've been over this.

Very clearly creating a backdoor for him to slip out of in case of emergency. Why would he want to backpedal unless he made a mistake? He is giving out scum reads all over the place.
I already addressed this, but anyone who has played with me before can testify that I could have easily just answered "it was an RVS vote." I wouldn't need to backdoor that information.

Anger, accusations without backing.... The list goes on.
What? Elaborate on this, I have no idea what you mean.

Wow! Great read! Except for the other 8 players in the game that was a great full read!
Ok? What's your point, Mr. "I'm going to be condescending and tell BarDulL not to be condescending?"

I trust Zen. He is a townie all the way if not doctor. I have seen him play in other games and his reads usually turn out right. If he was able to set up and get BarDulL into giving yet another scum tell, I say congrats.
???????? Why would you out that he could be Doctor?

Confused by this post. At this point he had said that he had a scum read on Soup, but only because of tunneling.
Pretty much. He was willing to push my lynch without getting opinions from other players. He's being incredibly anti-town right now because of it. It's scummy and gross. No one should be taking him seriously after that.

Finally a somewhat decent scrape at being town. This helps his case but he still has a whole lot of crap against him.
Thanks?

Claiming? Already? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was a LAST resort. Something that you don't do unless you want to be NK'ed.
I have not claimed anything yet, and everyone is going to claim Town anyway. How is what I did scummy?

....
What logic? "Oh I might get lynched! RAGE!!!!" <- is not logic.
I don't understand this tangent or what it was meant to propose.

CONCLUSION

Even if BarDulL is town, he isn't helping very much. To be more precise he is causing arguments that have no where to go except with a replacement. I don't think that he's very committed to a town win or at least not showing it well. I believe my final word in this is: REALLY DUMB, or REALLY SCUM.
Allons-y~
"Even if BarDulL is Town." Uh. We're looking for scum here. For the millionth time, pushing for a lynch on the premise that I'm "condescending" is not pro-town. Interestingly enough, you're being quite condescending yourself in this post.

And for the record, I've been asking questions and getting reads. I applaud your performance, I really do, but you need to read carefully and try to understand what, 1, I'm capable of, and 2, what I've done this entire game, before postulating that all I've done is "try to start arguments."
 

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He's putting you at L-2 and it's perfectly reasonable for his vote to be there if you still haven't answered his questions.

You were at L-1 the other day for quite a while and really didn't seem to care a whole lot, why do you care now?
With this anxious of a Town, one can never be too sure what may happen.

But for the record, if I'm at L-2, everything is perfectly fine.
 

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Shotty, I become increasingly more wary of your play this game. You have been coasting a lot and I don't think I've seen reads from you. Actually, you came up with a Town read on me, but your most recent line of questioning seems to indicate that your Town read is somewhat...faulty.

I want you to elaborate on how you found me to be Town, and I also want full reads for the rest of the cast.
 

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@Bardull: Why didn't you just answer the question? You claim you knew what I would say and that I'd vote you for it if you didn't have a reason...? Because this is how it would have went down:

"RVS or no?"
"RVS"
"KK"

Not:
"RVS or no?"
"RVS"
"Vote: Bardull"

That isn't logical. All I wanted to know was whether it was a legit vote or not, but you made it into this huge deal spanning an entire argument with Soup. Why?



@Vinyl: Stop bringing up that you're "Dumb town" every few posts. It was fine once but now you seem like you're actively trying to discredit yourself from being responsible for your own opinions.


@Rake: I legit just wanted to know if it was RVS or not. It was at a point in the game he could have had a legit reason for it or could have been RVSing so I asked.





Current opinion: Bardull should go toDay once we're done chatting.
Fair enough, just checking.

I disagree with a lynch this early, Soup And Bardull's whole thing is making for great content to get reads for people reacting to it.

This was vague and unclear. Elaborate on this when you can.


Badwulf has been somewhat town telling, I'll elaborate on this point in a bit. Vinyl spells all kinds of off to me because he's asking for reads from EVERYONE early in the game and being redundant about it. He also jumped on my bandwagon on the premise that I wasn't answering his question when I had already answered it and, IIRC, said he agreed with Soup? His vote is still on me which is odd considering I gave out my reads. He's asking for content while not outing content himself, and it comes across to me as an attempt to come off as town telling.



Town, although this is an odd question to be asking considering I don't see what you're looking for in this line of questioning...unless you believe yourself to be town telling in this post?
Sorry , didn't mean to be all vague, what i meant is, your and Soups entire deal seems extremely unhelpful to town and both of you had posts were looking scummy to me, especially since a lot of it was Emotionally charged, i'm still leaning null on you both until i look especially close at the reactions pre and post fight from everyone.

Have to agree, last game Vinyl coasted , barely posted and such and ended up being doc (IIRC). I think vinyl hasn't given out reaqds(can't remember right now) If he hasn't i'd want to get his (*** well as everyone else's ) before i started giving out mine, especially so early(even with all the content flying around).

I ask because one very interesting thing to see is how people react to someone questioning there own slot. Did this last game too , Best way to see what people think out of the gate I think, especially since I tend to wall a lot. Giving people ample stuff to look at.

I don't get what you're saying here. What is your read on Soup? I'm not sure why you're asking this since I have already stated both of these things. Don't like the lurking and Soup is more suspicious of Bardull.
Eh why did you ask this? As in what do you plan on getting from it?

I didn't plan on doing so. I have every right to have a town read as anyone else.
My read on Soup is null, Didn't remember you had stated it, looked back and saw you had after i posted, figured it didn't need a EWP.

I agree with the lurking stuff, even shotty's new stuff isn't great but its a start.

I plan to get nothing but what people think, how they got there, how they view my slot in regards to the others. Did this last game too, just something I do I guess.

On that note : UNVOTE: Shotty , thanks for getting active

I don't like this post at all, because an attitude problem is no reason to lynch someone who isn't positively scum. It does nothing at all for town. This almost makes me want to think that Soup might be scum, but:


It was a much smarter move to request a replacement than to risk wrongly lynching a townie. However, it isn't apparent that this is the reasoning behind this post, since he states that Bardull's attitude drove him away. For now, FoS: Soup (or Soup's slot).



You seem town to me based on this post. I agree with a lot of your opinions. I think Shotty needs to be investigated because of the lurking situation, as well as Soup for reasons stated above.
Agree as you know with the first part, bad attitude or not, why lynch so early in game and give scum and advantage? .

Agree again, although with Soup coming back in I now want to see where things go in regards to the Bardull / Soup relationship or lack thereof.

@Hipster: Which of my posts is a lot and why , if you please.

Fast lynches are NEVER good. Right now it's a lot of finger pointing and accusations. The only real evidence has been very scare and when there weak. It's more helpful to the scum at this point to see us glaring at each other with spite and hate.




Look for the BarDulL vs. Soup. I think that at this point it's scum vs. townie but not sure on who.
Agree with this as i stated above, this sort of inter-town fighting really hurts town and our ability to scum hunt when people start / get involved in the sort of thing that Bardull and Soup did.

Fair enough, i'll be looking over everything, but because so many people see this situation as key to towns survival i will look at it closely.

After deep thought and viewing this game long enough, I have decided to come back /in.



I want Bardull to keep anything personal out of this game and I will get moderators involved if he continues to instigate people, I don't know if he has been because I have him blocked, but I hope I make myself clear.
Welcome back Soup.

Hope to see the personal stuff disappear as well, keep it a game.

@Rake: Just say something. How about the chances Vinyl is coasting right now. (I feel it's quite possible)
Vinyl as you'll recall coasted last game and right now that i have seen he's on the same track, hope to see this change.

@everyone except JD: What do you think about Vinyl, is he coasting, are his posts relevant and helpful ? Why and how if yes, why not and how if no. Am I reading what he's doing wrong and why do you think so ?
 

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I wanted to experiment with a different route.
Looking back on you last games. Your usual route seems better at this point. This one is alienating all of your potential allies.

Soup generated plenty of reads from just about everyone
.... Such as?

I already addressed this, but anyone who has played with me before can testify that I could have easily just answered "it was an RVS vote." I wouldn't need to backdoor that information.
2 questions
1: Where?
2: Why not just say it's an RVS vote? You would have saved yourself a lot of trouble.

Elaborate on this, I have no idea what you mean.
I will answer that with a quote...
This is a blatant admittance from you that you're not looking for scum, you're simply trying to "put me in my place."
Here you're clearly just angry at him for... I don't even know what. So instead of responding with questions, you instead throw a anti-town accusation in his face.

Why would you out that he could be Doctor?
ANYONE COULD BE DOCTOR, I just have a bigger feeling that he is. How do you know I'm not doctor?

He was willing to push my lynch without getting opinions from other players
You need five votes to be lynched. Soup doesn't control it, so why are you getting all uptight about one guy?

I don't understand this tangent or what it was meant to propose.
I should have said I haven't seen any logic from you yet, just mindless OMGUS'ing.

"Even if BarDulL is Town." Uh. We're looking for scum here.
... I am of the opinion that you are scum, soo I said "if" for your townie. I really don't understand how that is confusing.

Interestingly enough, you're being quite condescending yourself in this post.
As opposed to your
I disagree that Soup is smart. He is a moron.
I have given my thoughts, questions, and ideas.

try to understand what I'm capable of
And just what are you capable of?
 

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What do you think about Vinyl, is he coasting, are his posts relevant and helpful ? Why and how if yes, why not and how if no. Am I reading what he's doing wrong and why do you think so ?
I don't think that he is coasting. I still have suspicions on him, but right now I feel that it's alright that he isn't getting into the whole BarDulL & Soup thing. Eariler in the game I did give him quite a lot to answer for and I think he did a decent job, so he's null for right now but keep an eye on him.
 

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Looking back on you last games. Your usual route seems better at this point. This one is alienating all of your potential allies.
That's true, but I'm not exactly trying to make allies either this time around. Do you think that's a scum tell or a town tell?

.... Such as?
The argument from myself and Soup generated a Town read on me from Zen, a Town read on me from Shotty, a scum/null read from JD on me, a scum read from Soup on me, a null read from Hipster on me, a scum read from you on me, and a dumb/scum read on Soup from myself...for starters.

2 questions
1: Where?
2: Why not just say it's an RVS vote? You would have saved yourself a lot of trouble.
Right here:

@Zen, JD - is it within my reach to have responded with "it was an RVS vote"?

I will answer that with a quote...

Here you're clearly just angry at him for... I don't even know what. So instead of responding with questions, you instead throw a anti-town accusation in his face.
On the contrary, I was never angry throughout that entire schpeal. It takes a great amount of effort to get me angry. Soup would never be able to get me angry.

ANYONE COULD BE DOCTOR, I just have a bigger feeling that he is. How do you know I'm not doctor?
I don't know with any certainty who is doctor (or if there is one for that matter), but outing that Zen could be the doctor does not help Town. I think I understand now that you are only trying to exemplify your faith in Zen's Towniness, but there are more townish ways to do this. Speaking of which, can you go further in depth with your town read on Zen, doctor tells aside?

You need five votes to be lynched. Soup doesn't control it, so why are you getting all uptight about one guy?
I'm not getting uptight, however this Town has been quite jumpy as of late. It's reasonable for me to be wary of being quick lynched, and the premise of said quick lynch would be easy to cover at this point in the game; an angry mob will get out of control when it is angry.

I should have said I haven't seen any logic from you yet, just mindless OMGUS'ing.
There has been no mindless OMGUS'ing. Provide me with examples.

And just what are you capable of?
A lot more than starting mindless arguments and OMGUS'ing people. I'm not the best player, but I'm certainly better than what you've been proposing.
 

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Also, I did not respond with "it was an RVS" vote because it would have been too easy and would have lead to little discussion, so I took an alternate route to see where it lead.

By the way, no offense, but I've said this at least four times now.
 

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Do you think that's a scum tell or a town tell?
Neither, it just means that none of your votes are going to go anywhere unless you jump on a wagon.


Right here:

@Zen, JD - is it within my reach to have responded with "it was an RVS vote"?
Please answer my second question.


Speaking of which, can you go further in depth with your town read on Zen

The Brony alliance was a town tell and he hasn't done anything to make me suspicious otherwise. He knows who to vote for at the correct time, wheater it be serious or just for pressure.


Provide me with examples.
Well it looked like you OMGUS'd with slight provocation from Zen @212


I'm certainly better than what you've been proposing.
I understand that you are, but you're allowing emotions to come into contact with it and it isn't helping your case.

why do you keep asking people for reads? You do realize that being redundant and asking different people for reads isn't town telling and makes you look suspicious, right?
I actually find this rather funny. 'Cause of this

I want you to elaborate on how you found me to be Town, and I also want full reads for the rest of the cast.
And I rather like this too...

everyone is going to claim Town anyway
After telling me off for proposing that Zen was Doc...
 

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@Zen, JD - is it within my reach to have responded with "it was an RVS vote"?
You would have been perfectly capable of responding "it was an RVS vote", and would have been largely advised of you to do so. The question here is why and if you really did your alternative action with the mindset that answering the way you did would be more beneficial or if you were angling for conflict for other reasons. It being in your reach as an answer was never the question.
 

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@Badwolf: You should never swing around PR accusations or guesses as town. It only highlights the possibilities to scum and gains town itself nothing. Claiming town is different from claiming that someone else is a specific role.
 

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Shotty, I become increasingly more wary of your play this game. You have been coasting a lot and I don't think I've seen reads from you. Actually, you came up with a Town read on me, but your most recent line of questioning seems to indicate that your Town read is somewhat...faulty.

I want you to elaborate on how you found me to be Town, and I also want full reads for the rest of the cast.
One simple neutral question makes you wonder about my read on you?

1. Are you intentionally seeming paranoid or are you actually scum?

2. My previous list of reads still stands, for now.

3. I have not been coasting, I was V/LA for the last few days and got back not even twelve hours ago. You can't call me on that, that's like calling Rake out on the fact that some ******* almost broke his arm.
 

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@Hipster: Which of my posts is a lot and why , if you please.
If you're referring to when I said that I agree with a lot of your opinions:


Blowing off actual reasoning worries me, although with the huge "fight " that went on reasoning was sort of out the window, still as I originally stated: blowing off reasoning : makes me lean scum on Bardull, will be re-reading all posts today after i get this down to form stronger opinions.

I think JD calling him on it was a interesting development, mainly because calling someone out that early means that you must think something about their post was scummy or your trying to see what sort of reaction you'd get. Also @JD: not sure if you answered this but why did you call him out on it ?
Gotta agree that Bardull did mess up, But as i haven't made a full read yet this post kinda seems odd as: personal feelings aside, if Bardull is town, then ignoring him as town would not be good, but not playing with him if Soup were mafia would mean that he was someone Soup would want to get rid of fast to "help town " against Bardull's posting / attitude. Also @ whoever replaces Soup: what is your read on Bardull, and in fact @ all what are your thoughts on the Soup / Bardull situation.

Like this post, have to agree that alienating other townies when your town isn't a good thing to do considering they won't take your reads as seriously , which would effect towns ability to hunt scum.

This post seems to hit at the core point bewteen the two that i saw at least, Soup had some reasons for thinking Bardull was scum, but it was mainly the attitude thing , @ all: you can correct me if you think this could be read a different way


Then soup posted this and made me re-think exactly to what extent the anti-town was in regards to Bardull's attitude. No one should be willing to mislynch though, very bad town attitude to lynch a town member due to attitude issues, makes me think Soups slot may have scum intentions, so I'm leaning scum due to that part of the post.


Even a detriment to town is still a town member until it is proven beyond a doubt that they are scum, why risk losing a town member so early ? Something to consider.

Instigating arguments aside , it was worse for town to have those two duking it out and putting Bardull at L-1 this early.
Pressure is fair enough, i didn't see it that way but I could have misread it.

Opportunistic hammer would only be good if Bardull was clear cut scum, which although his posting may have not been the greatest and his reasons absent at best, is still not enough proff for me at least to wamt a lynch this early on. @everyone: what do you think on quick lynch this early ? Helpful to town or scum trying to get a lynch then NK to deplete town while we fight amongst ourselves ?
I like the fact people are unvoting , quick lynches do not help town imo unless town is certain Bardull is scum.
These are specifically the posts that I agree with and that give me a town lean on you.

@everyone except JD: What do you think about Vinyl, is he coasting, are his posts relevant and helpful ? Why and how if yes, why not and how if no. Am I reading what he's doing wrong and why do you think so ?
I think that VInyl could easily be coasting, and I'd like to see more posts from him anyways because I'm having a hard time getting a solid read. Some of his more recent posts give me a town feel, but
Good stuff, soup.

And I almost thought this game was about to go bad.
Posts like these don't help. I know that VInyl was already voting for Bardull before this post, but it seems like he is coasting on Soup's reasoning in addition to the fact that Bardull never gave him a reads list.

@Zen Can you explain your vote on me please?
 

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Like Zen, like JD, like Badwolf, Okay with Vinyl. Null on Shotty. Need more from Rake, Cautious of HipsterSister. Bardull still scum until he refutes my points.
 

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I think that VInyl could easily be coasting, and I'd like to see more posts from him anyways because I'm having a hard time getting a solid read. Some of his more recent posts give me a town feel, but

Posts like these don't help. I know that VInyl was already voting for Bardull before this post, but it seems like he is coasting on Soup's reasoning in addition to the fact that Bardull never gave him a reads list.
Let see if I can point this out because I hate to re-read sometimes.

Are you trying to target me and some others or something?

Or

Are you just giving out thoughts?
 

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The Brony alliance was a town tell and he hasn't done anything to make me suspicious otherwise. He knows who to vote for at the correct time, wheater it be serious or just for pressure.
Interesting.

Well it looked like you OMGUS'd with slight provocation from Zen @212
False.

I understand that you are, but you're allowing emotions to come into contact with it and it isn't helping your case.
My emotions took no role in this game. The only one overcome with emotion is Soup, who very obviously rage quit and nearly had a nervous breakdown.

I actually find this rather funny. 'Cause of this
You misunderstand. I am not ONLY asking players for reads. All Vinyl is doing is asking players for reads. Vinyl isn't contributing his own opinion or making cases on anyone. The only quasi-legitimate vote he has made is on myself via band wagoning Soup. Aside from that, he has not done much to push Town forward whatsoever.
 

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One simple neutral question makes you wonder about my read on you?

1. Are you intentionally seeming paranoid or are you actually scum?

2. My previous list of reads still stands, for now.

3. I have not been coasting, I was V/LA for the last few days and got back not even twelve hours ago. You can't call me on that, that's like calling Rake out on the fact that some ******* almost broke his arm.
There is no paranoia. I am suspicious of you, and I have voiced this much. I will be looking over your play, you can be assured of that. When time allows.
 
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