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This is everything I could find (i think ) in regards to my stance on Bardull, Both about his slot and directed to him. As you can see I have not made a solid stance on Bardull, this is because I didn't have one yet, the arguments for and against Bardull's "scumminess" have been swaying , to be honest I think Bardull is null and as He stated him and Soups thing was based on outside stuff that came inside the game.
Ignoring the random posts, he seems town to me. The random posts are kind of an obvious thing though, and they seem extremely suspicious to me. I'm really curious to see how he explains these, because I have no idea what his strategy could be other than pressure voting people who have been inactive. As for my top lynch target, I'm torn between Zen and Bardull. I'm going to wait to see how both of them explain their votes before I make a decision.
I don't want to provide Zen with all the answers because I need to check him on occasion, but I see your point.
Vinyl, you are all sorts of confusing. You had myself AND Zen as town, why are you now pushing for our lynch? You're too inconsistent this game...
... You kinda failed there at repressing urges...
3: I find this rather annoying. Were you just trying to test me with this or are you seriously just that annoyed with L-2?
4: I find Soup's arguments intelligent, however, you are still deciding to ignore him. Even if he is tunneling you should still respond. Weather it be from respect or at least trying to wipe away your possible scumminess. Why are you still ignoring him?
5: What is your read on Shotty now?
6: I find this extremely scummy. I'm wondering if you slipped.
7: Why is Vinyl in your lynch pool?
8: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a person who isn't answering questions directed at himself was a scum read.
9: You never really responded to this, you just said "False". Give me reasons.
@Rake, I'm fairly certain you say I'm "Ok," but then you lean scum again, and then you start leaning towards me being town, and it's a giant back and forth. I'll look it up in a bit.
Hipster is ok-ish. I know that this is her first game, so she doesn't have any forum experience, however, she does have RL games under her belt. She's skittish but I still have a null read on her, for now.
To be frank, there is a part of me that understands Soup's distaste for the persona I'm adopting this game, so I don't sincerely dislike him. That's why I think he's Town...for now.
It's very likely that I would be dead if not for Zen. Zen was the one who initially supported my defense that a "jerkish" attitude does not make me scummy when no one else came to my defense. Zen has faith in me that I am Town, and I want to believe that he is Town as well because of this. I have also seen him exhibit this behavior in past games when he was Town.
Sorry, I thought I was at L-1 in that post.
Soup's demanding attitude is anything but enticing to work with. It doesn't help that I am not particularly fond of Soup and his style of play this game, as he has been mostly tunneling me but not analyzing other players, as seen in his admittance of having not gotten a read on Rake or Hipster.
Frankly, I do not trust Shotty and his style of play this game. I need to look back and reread him before I can give you an accurate assessment.
Elaborate on this point.
Vinyl is all sorts of strange this game. The JD town read early on was off, followed by Vinyl's seeming sheeping of everyone and only asking players for reads while not outing his own reads. Just recently, he now sees myself and Zen as scummy, but only because we have him as a potential lynch target...which certainly fits the definition of OMGUS, or at least it seems that way.
It can be inherently anti-town not to respond to someone's line of questioning, but if it's within rhyme or reason for that person not to answer outside of simply being unable to answer, then I suppose that's fairly townish. For example, my back and forths with Soup do not seem to help anyone or any interpersonal relationship considering he was tunneling me. This kind of interaction doesn't serve to help Town in the slightest.
I responded with the rationale that Soup's tunneling of myself, and that he was not willing to get a read on other players before lynching me, was severely anti-town and scummy. When I was given the option by Zen to either vote Soup or die, I was prompted by Soup's post, still exclaiming that I'm scum, and in that moment I was certain he was scum according to the previously mentioned rationale. Only someone who was tunneling super hard, or someone who was super scummy, would be willing to end the day so soon when there was a plethora of information still to be gained. It was simply a matter of trying to distinguish which one Soup was.
1. I don't think I was defensive as much as I was confused and bothered. Neither of you provided anything specific against me or asked me any questions along with your votes, so I wasn't sure if it was just pressure voting or something else. I also don't like how you voted for me so soon after Zen did when no case had been posted. This makes me suspicious, so yes, I began asking more questions after you two voted for me in order to sort out my suspicions.
This is the rationale, @ Shotty.
Whoops, I had meant to delete that one. I had already found it not a problem. Unvote. Don't make me regret this.
So have you now looked into hipster n_n? I assume you have since you have seemed to look into Rake. It's quite interesting that you referred to hipster as a male in this post. Out of curiosity did you just assume she was a guy or what?
Honestly I really don't think he's scum, he just seems like a noob town. He's attempting to do something after being called out for coasting. I will agree that the fact that he can't keep track of his reads is suspicious, but that's the only thing I see against him.
* - but is simply messing up due to inexperience
Some parts I like and some parts I don't, like her trying to information hunt but I dislike the vagueness of it. I'd say Rake is a better option for now.
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Furthermore, it has been shown that Badwolf/Hipster/J know each other in real life and he (badwolf) has referred to her as 'her' various times. For you to act like you didn't know really looks to me like you planted it as a way of distancing. I have a large suspicion that you two are scumbuddies and that you wanted to make it look like you didn't know a thing about her by referring to her as 'him'. I know you're going to try and play this off as something small, but it really isn't based on your nature. There was one answer I was looking for to determine if this was the case or not. Had you simply answered that it was in the moment and that you weren't really considering it at the time, I would have completely left it alone. But your responses above indicate otherwise and that you intentionally referred to her that way. The reason you give is completely false and outside of your nature as shown by the above quotes. The fact that it took you so long to answer the questions doesn't suit you any better. The way you have been limiting your answers to my posts makes me feel as if you are playing cautious about what to say.Яagnarock said:
