Geist
Smash Master
LOL PC is too good
come on come on come on
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New Vids Of My Samus Winners finals 5/31, Enjoy! =] .... WATCH!!
- Thread starter Alukard
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ES Lite
The Real Slim Shady
wow man pc has nothing on the people dancing in the other video
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Samus is boring because she is very awkward / very difficult to approach if you have less range than her. You can't press her shield because she can **** you for it, and her low hitstun devolves the match into a poking war. This is very similar to Jigglypuff, only you can actually edgeguard Samus and gimp her and she doesn't have the constant threat of imminent death. In exchange, she has a very good wavedash back and Up+B.
Most of anyone who beats Samus's game on Samus is
1) space move
2) wait for her to do something; punish if possible
3) space move
4) wait for her to do something; punish if possible
5) repeat step 1
And so forth and so on. This is why Sheik and Marth are so good against her, I think, because they're the best at that kind of stuff. For Marth, if he's spaced, she literally can't do anything about him hitting her, he has to whiff or she's helpless, and even if he does whiff she's often not going to be in a position to punish. Sheik is the same, only she has even less lag because she's a meanie.
However, this is nonetheless a very repetitive process.
Smash is spoiled on the whole, though, with its risk / reward. Some of the top characters get comboed and ***** for leaving openings; it's a huge shock to come across one that gives you nothing for procuring such a thing. Unfortunately, Samus is just one of those characters you have to chip away at with whatever's safe (lasers, back air, shield wd, needles, turnips, spaced fair, whatever your character has) and just keep her out the entire game. There isn't enough of a reward to getting in to justify trying to with most characters. And, while this is very gay, Samus is mercifully not played by many people, so suck it up. If you don't want to play safe vs such a character, then you can be bad against her.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
No matter how much you hate a character, it pays to be good at fighting him / her / it.
Geist
Smash Master
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
But even if Samus breaks the risk/reward in a way, she doesn't have anything to break it further, or to exploit any situations that emerge from it...
Either way, it's not like I'll stop playing Samus if people complain. It's too fun.
But even if Samus breaks the risk/reward in a way, she doesn't have anything to break it further, or to exploit any situations that emerge from it...
Either way, it's not like I'll stop playing Samus if people complain. It's too fun.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I don't care about playing Samus...
But obviously she's not as exciting as Falcon or Ganon or whatever.
But obviously she's not as exciting as Falcon or Ganon or whatever.
yes I do,
1. it's the internet
2. you're giving some really stupid advice.
I'm justified on multiple levels for being a **** about it.
me hating playing vs. Samus has nothing to do with being bad vs. Samus. I'm actually pretty good at this matchup, it's just stupid and boring and every time I play it, I wish I were enjoying the game instead of being forced to pretend it's barwl.
(no offense Alu, you're samoose is mad kyute! LOVE YOU!!!!!!!! <3 no homo etc)
p.s. pew pew pew pew pew
:smiliegor
nah i kno she sucks to fight ... i hate fighting her too ... i think i can **** the **** out of samus ... i just get bored and rush her ...but all u really have to do is hit her with projectiles and run ... she sucks at chasing lolol ... ****ing slow ***** lol
<3 u too mogwai
<3 u too mogwai
TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Samus?
Slow?
wtf
What metroid game are you guys playing?
Samus?
Slow?
wtf
What metroid game are you guys playing?
ES Lite
The Real Slim Shady
The one where you spam missiles
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Samus is slow in the air but a respectable mid speed on the ground.
Except for her wavedash. That **** is bonkers.
Except for her wavedash. That **** is bonkers.
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
My Samus is fast and I follow up extremely well. Mindgame combos are too good. I don't find her boring to fight at all. For me, she's the most fun character to use.
Watty
Smash Lord
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**** miss daisy
Get off my ****ing internets now.
How bout both of you drop it before I start handing out points?
ES Lite
The Real Slim Shady
I think its spelled with "a"...making it about...not bout.
dumb mistake for a mod...
TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
I think he meant to write it that way.
Of course a northerner is going to be uptight about typing on an internet forum, lol.
You surprised?
TheLifeRuiner
Smash Lord
I wouldn't know...
Our northeners go "OHHHH WHERE YOU AT?!?!?! WHERE YOU AT??!!" and "THAT AINT FALCO"
lol
WOMBO COMBO!
OHHHH (OHHH)
OHHHHH (OHHH) (OHHHH)
*craze*
Wait someone said something about Northerners?!
My finger is ready
OHHHH (OHHH)
OHHHHH (OHHH) (OHHHH)
*craze*
Wait someone said something about Northerners?!
My finger is ready
You really love dair... As in, to a fault. It's a great combo starter, but the high start-up makes it a really bad move to spam when your opponent isn't occupied with something else. It's also only so good for fitting into combos; I really like that uthrow -> dair thing you do, and it looks useful when thrown in after utilt and other dairs, but I think you need a better feel for when it will and won't connect.
I also think you would do really well to learn how to time down-angled ftilt to edgeguard instead of ftilt. This one is far from obligatory; the only Samus I ever saw that did this was HugS, but even though it's a hell of a lot tougher than utilt, it's worlds better, since it's harder for your opponent to ledge-tech. Far from necessary, but it will definitely put you on another level if you can do it consistently.
Other than that, you've got one of the sickest Samuses I've seen ever. Take my advice however you will. I haven't played Samus seriously in a long time, and I never was very good; not to mention you're definitely a ****load better than I am, so I may just be crazy in my imaginings, but these are the things I've noticed while watching.
I also think you would do really well to learn how to time down-angled ftilt to edgeguard instead of ftilt. This one is far from obligatory; the only Samus I ever saw that did this was HugS, but even though it's a hell of a lot tougher than utilt, it's worlds better, since it's harder for your opponent to ledge-tech. Far from necessary, but it will definitely put you on another level if you can do it consistently.
Other than that, you've got one of the sickest Samuses I've seen ever. Take my advice however you will. I haven't played Samus seriously in a long time, and I never was very good; not to mention you're definitely a ****load better than I am, so I may just be crazy in my imaginings, but these are the things I've noticed while watching.
Geist
Smash Master
Probably alukard's OP
That's just my response to Alukard's vids. I don't really have a response to the rest of the thread.
I really love d-air
ES Lite
The Real Slim Shady
Against my opponents, d-air doesnt work as well as it should. They usually do some move that out-prioritizes (dont know if i spelled that right x.x) it, thus making it useless. I also do it as a spike rarely. I cant get the hang of the feel you get when you close into an opponent in the air, being samus and all, it feels like your in space, and cant get to the person fast enough to get the dair. If they are under the stage however, thats a different story. After reading this to myself, i have to make a correction...I do dair on-stage A LOT.
Christopher Rodriguez
The illest Project M Bowser
Just drop below them and time a dair while they're falling, or make sure your not gaining any height (you'd rather prefer to be falling, preferably after a wd off stage or a fastfall) I think I've told you this a million times already, scrub
ES Lite
The Real Slim Shady
You never told me about falling and not gaining height...Just drop below them and time a dair while they're falling, or make sure your not gaining any height (you'd rather prefer to be falling, preferably after a wd off stage or a fastfall) I think I've told you this a million times already, scrub
i agree, but you forgot to mention the advanced techniches, cuz a plain sheik doesnt do much, AT plus GC controller and a copy of smash = a good sheik :D
hahahaha GG xDDLol that was a long time ago :D
4 stocked. gg
-the first one its true i guess, thats the most common complain i get xD
-the second one is false, well played samus can have a very good approach, and if the player can do SWD 100% then samus has even more approach
-she does KO well ¬¬
-true
she IS hard to approach xD, well, if the player knows how to play his/her cards right.
lmao xD so true xDDD that or marth xD
i totally agree with you, i find samus the fun character, she has a lot of tircks xD i just love her <3 samoose 'till death :D
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ok now giving an reply to the Vs samus matchup issue:
i think she is not boring to fight against, although i agree with a lot of people about the hard to combo thing and the inmortality xD
but still she is not boring=(
and besides, how can you not resist her beauty :D
Geist
Smash Master
I dissagree.
She's very limited to her approaches. She's very floaty and slow in midar, making a safe arial approach very difficult. Her ground moves are limited too. She lacks a good move that won't get her punished for using, save her ftilt. Most of her other moves function to stop others from approaching. And approaching with grab is just wierd.
It's humanly impossible to swd 100% of the time lol.
Hey Lexington, play a high level sheik, see how easy it is now.
Playing a high level sheik is the same as playing a high level Fox, only the fox has more unnecessary flashy ****. Key word, unnecessary.
Playing a high level sheik is the same as playing a high level Fox, only the fox has more unnecessary flashy ****. Key word, unnecessary.
i not Entirely agree but you are kinda right xD
hahaha i i don't mean it like if you use sheik you gonna be pro, what i mean is even if you are not a sheik player you still can give a good fight, maybe not winning but still give a very good fight
Geist
Smash Master
Well, I can see where you're coming from.
Naturally a higher level player will be able to approach better, and make up for the negatives of Samus's approach, but that goes hand-in-hand with any situation as well. Someone who is good at approaching with Samus still has to make up for her weaknesses, reguardless, and is still restricted by what she can do.
That goes without saying for practically anything else. Mewtwo is a terrible character, reguardless of how badly Taj ***** face with him.
Naturally a higher level player will be able to approach better, and make up for the negatives of Samus's approach, but that goes hand-in-hand with any situation as well. Someone who is good at approaching with Samus still has to make up for her weaknesses, reguardless, and is still restricted by what she can do.
That goes without saying for practically anything else. Mewtwo is a terrible character, reguardless of how badly Taj ***** face with him.