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But, when making threads like these, wouldn't it be easier to choose characters that actually fight?
And before anybody says 'Captain Falcon' I have to remind you of something.
1) He fights in his anime
2) Included with the original F-Zero game there was a manga that featured a story of Captain Falcon doing bounty hunting stuff. So yeah. He fights.
I'm not against Falcon, just so you know... Anyways, the new contest is on:
Krystal vs. Leon. Now, before you guys make this a landslide, take into account that Leon is in fact a long-lived Star Fox character, and with his inclusion, would counterbalance the 2:1 :: Heroes : Villains relationship between the Star Fox characters by making it a 2:2 ratio. His moveset would also be considerably different, seeing as how he is of an entirely different species than the other three (also taking into consideration that Falco's moveset was changed quite a bit in Brawl to match that of how his species would act).
Capt falcon master, you really should give a reason. Or at least use punctuation, if you don't want to look like a tard.
SkylerOcon. Ice Climber and Game+Watch don't really feature fighting, they feature hitting a couple things with a hammer. ALSO, smash was not based off anime, or we'd see inuyasha or naruto or fma on the ****ed roster. So Captain Falcon didn't fight either.
Going by your logic, we should remove:
Dr. Mario. He dropped pills, that's it.
Capt. Falcon. He raced.
Game+Watch. Judgement was the closest he got to fighting, and that's hardly anything to be able to give him a moveset.
Ice Climbers, they hit things with hammers too. Okay, uhhh...not much to work with there.
Not really sure why you god ****ed purifists have to come on the internet and whine about R.O.B, leave him the hell out of it. That is all.
This is totally true. And people don't actually have a problem with ROB because he can't fight, I've never heard that. All I've heard as arguments against him is "Oh noez! My favorite character didn't get in! Let's blame this robot who I know nothing about!" which is just about as moronic as arguments against Animal Crossing. In the same way as ROB, I'd be willing to bet most people opposing it haven't played the series.
This has been said, but um...yeah, you actually do hit people. You can hit your neighbors using a bug catching net, hit them with axes with enough skill (I've done it one), you hack down trees, you can hit people with a shovel as well, you can plant Pitfalls for your neighbors to fall into, and you can dig holes around your neighbors to trap them. There's tons of fighting potential.
As for the actual topic, though, I'm definitely going to vote for Tom Nook. Animal Crosser comes in second, but Tom Nook takes the cake. Doesn't he just come off as extremely sketchy (and having some "connections")? I mean, he has a monopoly on stores, since the Able Sisters only deal with clothes and the like. He makes a threatening comment when he asks you to join the Happy Room Academy; if you say no, he says something to the effect of "Remember who you still owe money to?" (I'm pretty sure that's from the original) Also, my friend has a theory that Timmy and Tommy are really Badger/Muskrat hybrids that Tom Nook brainwashed into thinking they're his nephews.
In any case, I think Tom Nook would fit really well, although you wouldn't see me complaining if Animal Crosser got in instead. You wouldn't see me complaining about Totakeke either, but I don't think he fits very well as a fighter.
Oh yeah, one last thing; has Zelda ever fought in a Zelda game? I'm not necessarily saying it didn't happen, but I don't remember it happening, so I just thought I'd ask.
In any case, I think Tom Nook would fit really well, although you wouldn't see me complaining if Animal Crosser got in instead. You wouldn't see me complaining about Totakeke either, but I don't think he fits very well as a fighter.
Oh yeah, one last thing; has Zelda ever fought in a Zelda game? I'm not necessarily saying it didn't happen, but I don't remember it happening, so I just thought I'd ask.
I appreciate the vote, and will tack it on as a LAST VOTE for the Animal Crossing poll, but it's now over and there's a new one up. Check the OP
Oh, Zelda has really only fought with a bow and light arrow to stun Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess. Other than that, she has never fought before. Nor did Sheik...
I appreciate the vote, and will tack it on as a LAST VOTE for the Animal Crossing poll, but it's now over and there's a new one up. Check the OP
Oh, Zelda has really only fought with a bow and light arrow to stun Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess. Other than that, she has never fought before. Nor did Sheik...
Yeah, I was writing that post when you posted up that the old one ended. Thanks for tacking it on anyways.
And yeah, I didn't think she had ever really fought...well there you go, if you argue that a character has to fight to be in Smash Bros, then you must be for removing Zelda/Sheik. I'll have to use that the next time there's an Animal Crossing debate.
As for the new poll, I have to vote for Krystal. While I'd like to see Leon as well, Krystal has more potential for a diverse moveset. Actually, I'd rather see Leon (although another female in the game wouldn't be a bad idea), but seeing as how characters with potential to be non-cloned have worked out in the past, I'm inclined to believe that characters are going to be made clones if it's possible. Well, not exact clones, but close clones. I mean, Ganondorf and Toon Link had some of the most potential for a diverse moveset, and they are still two of the most clone-esque characters in the game. There are a million and one items in the Zelda games, there were a million and one movesets suggested by people on forums and such in anticipation for Brawl, and Ganon could have easily used his sword, yet they saw it fit to keep it the same. Krystal could still end up along the lines of the other space animals, since she only had the staff for one game, but I see a staff moveset as more likely.
I'd like to vote Leon, but I have a lack of confidence in the decision-making process for Smash Bros games.
I vote Krystal. It's hard to imagine Leon not being a Wolf clone. Krystal has her staff which screams "i am not a Fox clone!" And she, being Fox's ex-girlfriend (curse you Star Fox Command's plot), is more important.
I'm of the opinon that Star Fox, having only 5 games, only one of which being extremely popular, the other drifting off into nothingness, has no need of 4 characters.
However, that not being what this thread is asking, I'll post my thoughts.
I'd prefer Leon, seeing that he was part of the game was Star Fox's proudest moment, and I'd like to see what an altered Wolf moveset would look like. (Assuming Sakurai doesnt give them all new movesets of course, haha it's fun to dream)
And Krystal represents the new decade, and the fall of Star Fox games, (No, I' not saying it's her fault, I'm saying since the addition of her to the games, the Starfox games have been... moderately subpar (I played through Assault many times to unlock Wolf as a playable in multi-player... and I actually regret it )
So, although I feel Star Fox is not worthy to receive 4 reps, because of a small amount of games, and the fact that it hasnt had a new game in a couple of years, and is apparently dead (Which saddens me ). (Then again, *cough* Ice Climber has been dead for 20 years *cough*)
So yeah, 1 vote for Leon, even though I know what the overall outcome will be.
1) He fights in his anime
2) Included with the original F-Zero game there was a manga that featured a story of Captain Falcon doing bounty hunting stuff. So yeah. He fights.
SUPER SMASH BROTHERS IS NOT BASED OFF ANIME OR MANGA!! It's based off of the GAMES.
I vote for Krystal. I would personally prefer Leon, but I will be realistic here. Leon will get another landmaster. He'll be a luigified Wolf in the best case scenario. NOT a luigified Fox, a luigified WOLF. So Leon would be pretty far from Fox.
Krystal is a good idea for a few reasons. She's neutral. In the last game, Command, she joined Star Wolf AND fought against them. So I suppose she's the Meta Knight of StarFox. Also, she's female. I just think that it would be fair if we added a couple female characters for female gamers. I say so because my friends who hate videogames hate them for the sole reason that they don't have enough girls. (I also put this opinion in my vote for Animal Crosser.) Krystal, as far as I have seen, has multiple options for movesets also. And if we can make up thirty movesets, I think Nintendo can make up one.
No, I don't know how I made a long post WITH good grammar.
So, although I feel Star Fox is not worthy to receive 4 reps, because of a small amount of games, and the fact that it hasnt had a new game in a couple of years, and is apparently dead (Which saddens me ). (Then again, *cough* Ice Climber has been dead for 20 years *cough*)
So yeah, 1 vote for Leon, even though I know what the overall outcome will be.
It's done it before. I don't see why it can't do it again.
But I have the feeling that StarFox is going to have one game per system until at least ten games, and then it'll probably just die. UNLESS the makers of it pick up the pace.
It's done it before. I don't see why it can't do it again.
But I have the feeling that StarFox is going to have one game per system until at least ten games, and then it'll probably just die. UNLESS the makers of it pick up the pace.
What I want in a Star Fox game is a mix between running on ground with solid, fluid (disregard the contradiction) gameplay, free-flying in a ship (similar to the duels with Star Wolf in SF64) and scroll-shooting. You could fly to different planets, purchase parts for your ship to fully customize it, repaint it, buy new clothing, armor pieces, equipment, etc, etc. I'd want it to be a great and huge adventure game packed with intense action.
I'd want missions by land, sea, and air, either on foot, or by vehicle, along with a cast of playable characters. It should of course take place after Star Fox Command to stay with the timeline and to follow the events and alignments that the characters hold in that game. So... Fox, Falco, Slippy, ROB 64, and perhaps Krystal will be playable characters, while Star Wolf will be composed of Wolf, Leon, and Panther. I really don't want the next game to be based around Marcus and the other children.
I never played Assault either. I played Command, which I thought was pretty good. Best Starfox game on the DS. And Starfox Assault + 64 had land + air missions covered. Idk about sea.
I never played Assault either. I played Command, which I thought was pretty good. Best Starfox game on the DS. And Starfox Assault + 64 had land + air missions covered. Idk about sea.
Starfox is probably the Nintendo franchise that would benefit the most from motion sensor. That one boss minigame remake of the original Starfox in Warioware: Smooth Moves was really fun. Flying by using Wiimote on its side, tilting it to twist, pressing buttons to fire...the only question is what would you do in order to DO A BARREL ROLL!
Barrel roll jokes aside, how would you do that? Would it just be pressing a button, or would they come up with a motion to do in order to perform one?
For ground missions...well, that sort of stuff has been done before, so it's obvious. Just aim and press a button to fire. I suppose they could find some way to implement the Wii Zapper as well, maybe giving you time before the mission to switch to the Wii Zapper, since you couldn't use it for Flying missions.
I personally think it's worth picking up, but I'm not necessarily a long-time Star Fox fan; I can't remember when I got into the games, but I think Assault was the first Star Fox game I got. Then I think I got Command, followed by Adventures, finally followed by 64 on the VC.
In any case, I'll try to describe the game to you as best as I can to help you decide. In my opinion, the plot is very good; it's from one mystery to another, keeping you on the edge of your seat practically the entire game. It starts after you face Oikonny (I think I spelled that right, but...I could be wrong), after which you face a mysterious creature with some sort of a core. Then you keep investigating that, meet an old "friend"...well, etc. I won't ruin the plot.
As for the balance between the type of missions, I'm not sure what you're talking about with sea missions, but I'm pretty sure there are none in Assault. Basically, there are two types of missions; Ground Missions and Flying Missions. Flying Missions start out in the air, and stay in the air the entire time, meaning you don't land at all. Ground Missions may be only walking around, there may be a Landmaster as there is in the first Ground Mission, there may be an Arwing so you can fly as well (there's a mission like this in one of the earlier missions as well), and I believe there are a few Ground Missions that have both in the level. Also, there is actually one more type of mission, which you have twice, I believe. Someone else is flying in a ship, and you are perched on their wing, and have to protect them by firing at enemies. I believe you get a special weapon that's rather powerful for this so you don't have to go insane rapid-firing to kill them in time.
Multiplayer is the kind of Multiplayer that games like Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass have; fun as an addition, but it's not something you'll die over like a Smash Bros game's. Also, yeah, it takes forever to unlock various things (I spent a good portion of time trying to unlock
the Wolfen - 75 matches, I believe it took
), and because it's not something you spend forever on, it's not exactly worth it, but...it's still fun. There are some stages you unlock through Vs mode, but most of them are unlocked as you beat them in Story Mode, I believe.
I hope that helped; if you have any other questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
As for the balance between the type of missions, I'm not sure what you're talking about with sea missions, but I'm pretty sure there are none in Assault.
I hope that helped; if you have any other questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
In Star Fox 64, there was one mission where you piloted the Blue Marine:
That's what I meant by Sea Mission. However, it would also be really cool if you rode on a Star Fox-esque boat, manning a turret while Slippy or someone drove. A huge variety in the types of missions would be awesome. And like I said before - being able to customize your vehicles with new parts, paint jobs, etc, etc, would make both single player and multiplayer incredible.
Fox has a submarine? Wow. Didn't know that, and I played SF64 for over a year. ...Oh that's right, I never made it past the second boss because I never got to save.
Leon would be a luigified clone of Wolf. BUT here's where I'm confused.
If Wolf is a luigified clone of Fox, and Leon is a lugified clone of Wolf, how to Leon and Fox relate in movesets? I wondered about that for several hours.
6-6! If Krystal wins it'll be the fifth time I guessed the winning character, lol.
Fox has a submarine? Wow. Didn't know that, and I played SF64 for over a year. ...Oh that's right, I never made it past the second boss because I never got to save.
Leon would be a luigified clone of Wolf. BUT here's where I'm confused.
If Wolf is a luigified clone of Fox, and Leon is a lugified clone of Wolf, how to Leon and Fox relate in movesets? I wondered about that for several hours.
5-3 Krystal! If she wins it'll be the fifth time I guessed the winning character, lol.
I could see that working, but for a standard-b, I see him using dual automatic pistols, hitting at 1% each (basically 2% if each hits, which is extremely likely). Either that, or he whips out a sniper and shoots similarly to ROB's standard b, but with a faster, and thinner laser.
As for his side b: I see it actually being a type of Diddy Kong side-b + Lucario up-b, so you can kind of "draw the path", and at the end of it, he flips around and hits. Can be used for GREAT recovery.
His up b would also be a recovery move, but would have a longer range than his side-b. It would basically be a sheik-like attack, but rather than disappearing in a quick explosion, he dashes in the direction presses extremely quickly.
And finally, for his down-b. Upon activation, it boosts him up off the ground and twirls the reflector around him, via grabbing on to it with his tail, so it can hit all around him similarly to a yo-yo. If done in the air, it just twirls around very quickly.
His smash attacks and standard a moves would consist of very lizard-like movements, using his tail, arms, and head primarily. He wouldn't be a kicker like Fox and Wolf, and would be much quicker, but in a strange "Voldo-like" way, than Falco. Overall, he would be a unique character.
As for his Final Smash, seeing as how he's an assassin, he should use a doppleganger-type move to where a number of "phantoms" move around the stage, attacking players (but dealing no damage, just stunning them and knocking them around). He could perhaps render himself invisible during this time to sneak up on opponents.
He wouldn't wield a staff like his competitor, but could perhaps be the most challenging of Star Fox characters to use. Plus, he wouldn't be a Space Furry... I really don't seem him as a luigified clone of Wolf, I see him following the "formula" of a Star Fox character but riding on the very edges of that to the point that he may feel otherworldly in comparison to the other three. Plus, he's a great villain, and would do great side-by-side with Wolf or even Ganondorf if put in an adventure mode.
Leon:
-Is more interesting, he's something other than a canine.
- Fox has his sidekick, so naturally Wolf should have his
- Krystal is Fox's *****, that's all. For the 'OMG SHE HAS A STAF!1' people, I fail to see how having a pole will make her anymore interesting (Maybe she will dance on it to make her more useful). Saying that Krystal is a good character simply because of her self-pleasuring pole is like saying that Peach is a good character exclusively because of her pink parasol. It really makes no sense :/I'm sure Leon could have an interesting moveset too involving his own wiry fighting style involving speedy lizard movements and tongue slashes, etc.
Leon:
-Is more interesting, he's something other than a canine.
- Fox has his sidekick, so naturally Wolf should have his
- Krystal is Fox's *****, that's all. For the 'OMG SHE HAS A STAF!1' people, I fail to see how having a pole will make her anymore interesting (Maybe she will dance on it to make her more useful). I'm sure Leon could have an interesting moveset too involving his own wiry fighting style involving speedy lizard movements and tongue slashes, etc.
B- Spike Mine: He lays out a single floating green mine covered with the Star Wolf symbol on it. It is enough to kill at 130%. however. Luckily, you can lay out a maximum of three at a time. They're rather easy to see, however, but they can pressure your opponent into doing stupid mistakes- mistakes you can punish them for.
B^- Soaring Lizard: Well, it is initially chargeable, like Diddy's, in the form of a jetpack-like booster that detaches once it gives Leon his boost. After however long you choose to charge it, Leon soars straight into the air, giving him amazing vertical, and average horizontal movement. Foes in his flight path are also knocked aside, and a fully charged one (6 seconds) can kill at 50%. It goes about the distance of Zelda's recovery move.
BV- Camoflauge: The mechanic is much like Wario Waft, in which the ore time you give it to charge, the more useful it is. Leon, being of chameleon nature, activates his cloaking device, turning him invisible for however long he let it charge. If he lets it charge for around a minute, he stays invisible for thirty seconds. If around 45 seconds, then he stays invisible for 25 seconds, and so forth. Don't try spamming it, otherwise, Leon just goes through the "pressing button" motion and is left open.
B>- Stealth Leap: Leon makes a forward lunge, similar to Diddy's, while invisible, and if he makes contact with someone during his short leap, then the poor foe not only takes damage, but suffers from an automatic trip, no matter HOW much damage you've taken. Worst of all, Stealth Leap has very short lag time, meaning you can combo (almost) freely out of this move.
Final Smash: Sublime Silence- Leon stands still in a very Zen pose, and out of thin air, a large diamond surrounds his body. If anyone is hit when the diamond appears, they suffer through the whole move and any kind of sound effect is temporarily disabled, and the normal stage music is paused. The foe is stuck onto the diamond like a fly in a web. Leon spins a few times, lands on the ground (or air) below him, and flips his tongue out onto the diamond and shatters it into many pieces, causing foes to take multiple hits from the falling shards of diamond metal and the explosion accompanied with a shattering diamond thingy.
Man, up until now I never saw a Leon moveset. Now that I have seen some I'd like to change my vote lol. Plus, It'd be nice to see Fox + Falco vs. Wolf + Leon.
7-5 Leon, I think that makes it...if I'm wrong, correct me.
B- Spike Mine: He lays out a single floating green mine covered with the Star Wolf symbol on it. It is enough to kill at 130%. however. Luckily, you can lay out a maximum of three at a time. They're rather easy to see, however, but they can pressure your opponent into doing stupid mistakes- mistakes you can punish them for.
B^- Soaring Lizard: Well, it is initially chargeable, like Diddy's, in the form of a jetpack-like booster that detaches once it gives Leon his boost. After however long you choose to charge it, Leon soars straight into the air, giving him amazing vertical, and average horizontal movement. Foes in his flight path are also knocked aside, and a fully charged one (6 seconds) can kill at 50%. It goes about the distance of Zelda's recovery move.
BV- Camoflauge: The mechanic is much like Wario Waft, in which the ore time you give it to charge, the more useful it is. Leon, being of chameleon nature, activates his cloaking device, turning him invisible for however long he let it charge. If he lets it charge for around a minute, he stays invisible for thirty seconds. If around 45 seconds, then he stays invisible for 25 seconds, and so forth. Don't try spamming it, otherwise, Leon just goes through the "pressing button" motion and is left open.
B>- Stealth Leap: Leon makes a forward lunge, similar to Diddy's, while invisible, and if he makes contact with someone during his short leap, then the poor foe not only takes damage, but suffers from an automatic trip, no matter HOW much damage you've taken. Worst of all, Stealth Leap has very short lag time, meaning you can combo (almost) freely out of this move.
Final Smash: Sublime Silence- Leon stands still in a very Zen pose, and out of thin air, a large diamond surrounds his body. If anyone is hit when the diamond appears, they suffer through the whole move and any kind of sound effect is temporarily disabled, and the normal stage music is paused. The foe is stuck onto the diamond like a fly in a web. Leon spins a few times, lands on the ground (or air) below him, and flips his tongue out onto the diamond and shatters it into many pieces, causing foes to take multiple hits from the falling shards of diamond metal and the explosion accompanied with a shattering diamond thingy.
I really like the creativity of yours...but it makes him seem a little bit too broken. If you're on FD with 3 big mines planed throughout the stage, it's pretty much impossible to fight good while trying to not activate them. We don't really want Leon to be the next snake right? I like the camouflage (How could we NOT give a chameleon a camouflage move? ^^) but being able to be invisible and fight is OP. Even Wario Waft doesn't give him that much power. Here is a moveset I thought up...:
Neutral B: Blaster. It's more like Lucario's Aura Sphere than anything like the Spacies, so it's not a clone move (Unless you consider any Neutral B projectile to be a clone). Basically, he takes out his gun and shoots a large sphere of laser energy. It shrinks as it moves and depletes at about half the range of Wolf's blaster. This move is more powerful the closer they are to you.
B^: Reflector somersault. Leon jumps up in the air and pulls out two green reflectors, one in front and one behind him. He then does an aerial somersault as he gains height thus spinning the relfectors around his body. They do a complete 360 spin by the end of the jump. This is effective because it's not a typical Spacie move and is a defence and recovery all the same.
B>: A sideways leap or dash as others have suggested.
Bv: Invisibility camouflage. He turns invisible for as long as you hold down the button. This may seem OP at first but he may not fight or move while he is invisible and it cannot be used in the air. There is also moderate lag afterwards so a sneak attack is difficult.
Final Smash: Stealth Swipe. Leon turns invisible and will attack the closest person to him. After 2~ seconds after vanishing he appears and swipes his prey with a 40% dealing attack. It can be dodged however if the victim is constantly jumping and dashing around the stage during the time he is invisible.
Pros: -Fast roll and sidestepping; Fastest crawl (His crawl is as fast as his dash)
- Very little lag during his moves
- Good recovery
Cons: -Lack of killing moves; moves do little damage
- Moves have short hit boxes
- Bad aerial game
I think the mine thing could be improved. Like, if you set a second mine the first one automatically goes off. Also make it possible for you to be hurt by them. Make them the size of MS bombs, and just make the light they give off really obvious. XD It'll make the mines way less broken. But everything else is just broken enough. Especially the Final Smash.
Although I dont think Starfox needs 4, if we have like 50 characters in Smash 4, EVERYONE needs 4 characters (Well... Pikmin doesnt have 4 characters to choose, so not everyone, lol)
Most importantly, Donkey Kong could get Funky and K. Rool, (because honestly, someone come up with a moveset for Dixie before I include her, I already made a feasible moveset for Funky)
And Starfox would have the 2-2 balance of good and evil
Fire Emblem could have 4, etc. etc.
Leon for SSB4! (I already voted for him, this isnt a vote hehe)
And you know, judging by the way Sakurai chooses characters, and the fact that he put Falco in Melee instead of someone like Wolf, I could really see him actually choosing Leon for the 4th installment.
