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[Phostopheles]

Lol..isn't this Pokemon Trainer already?

Exactly.

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[Roy-Kun]

Exactly.

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I see what you did there. Nice thinking.

I approve.

 

[OmegaXXII]

The way he makes it sound seems like he would turn out using a sword.

I'm all for Hector if we turn out to have a FE7 rep. He is the most popular Lord both in Japan and world-wide out of the FE7 lords.

Agreed, what I don't get is why Eliwood would simply be more important than Hector when it's obvious who is more wanted.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

The way he makes it sound seems like he would turn out using a sword.

I'm all for Hector if we turn out to have a FE7 rep. He is the most popular Lord both in Japan and world-wide out of the FE7 lords.

Don't get me wrong Hector was my favorite Lord in FE7 but he had no recent representation and unless he was some old-school character Sakurai wouldn't give a damn about him which show how its sucks to be in the middle ,while in the other hand had a representation in Brawl.

 

[Opossum]

You know what I find kind of sad? The fact that certain third party representatives would never get in due to never being demanded, and yet they'd be quite deserving. I'm mainly talking about ones who have had a few Nintendo games, and usually ONLY Nintendo games, and yet they always will get over shadowed by the likes of the more popular Mega Man, Slime, Layton, ect. For example, one user a while ago mentioned Shantae, who would fit perfectly and has only been on Nintendo systems, but definitely won't get in due to not being demanded in the slightest. Also, I'd love for Maxwell from Scribblenauts to make it in, yet he never gets demanded, so he won't.

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

You know what I find kind of sad? The fact that certain third party representatives would never get in due to never being demanded, and yet they'd be quite deserving. I'm mainly talking about ones who have had a few Nintendo games, and usually ONLY Nintendo games, and yet they always will get over shadowed by the likes of the more popular Mega Man, Slime, Layton, ect. For example, one user a while ago mentioned Shantae, who would fit perfectly and has only been on Nintendo systems, but definitely won't get in due to not being demanded in the slightest. Also, I'd love for Maxwell from Scribblenauts to make it in, yet he never gets demanded, so he won't.

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

If it was to me no Third Party characters....

 

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So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

Finally a new topic, I liked it better when FE debates weren't like Pokemon debates. XP

Anyway Ryu Hayabusa. He's pretty much the main sleeper 3rd party newcomer.

 

[Deleted member]

People have been saying that Zoroark chances are helped due to having similar body structure to Mewtwo and Lucario, but couldn't the same thing apply to Victini? Victini has a similar body structure to Pichu and Plusle & Minun; the former of which was in Melee and the other that was planned in Brawl?

This could make Victini somewhat comfortable for Sakurai to implement as he would be if Zoroark was chosen.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

People have been saying that Zoroark chances are helped due to having similar body structure to Mewtwo and Lucario, but couldn't the same thing apply to Victini? Victini has a similar body structure to Pichu and Plusle & Minun; the former of which was in Melee and the other that was planned in Brawl?

This could make Victini somewhat comfortable for Sakurai to implement as he would be if Zoroark was chosen.

Well Pokemon is un-predictable to be honest so to me anything can happen with that...

 

[Metal Overlord]

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

Viewtiful Joe

I'd start taking away Smash veterans for him to be in the game...

Oh, and Tails or Knuckles.

 

[Starphoenix]

Hahaha trust me, Slime is a dark horse. I'm just able to get the spotlight shone on him more than other characters.

For me I'd like to see EarthWorm Jim.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Viewtiful Joe

I'd start taking away Smash veterans for him to be in the game...

Oh, and Knuckles.

Dude third party will never extend on more than main characters so knuckles have slim chance close to 0% chance....

 

[OmegaXXII]

I guess Sonic and Snake should stay.

 

[Roy-Kun]

I guess Sonic and Snake should stay.

And Megaman should appear with them.

Oooor, I dunno. Geno?

Anyway, my vote goes for Duke Nukem.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Dude third party will never extend on more than main characters so knuckles have slim chance close to 0% chance....

That was the point... read the question I was replying to.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hahaha trust me, Slime is a dark horse. I'm just able to get the spotlight shone on him more than other characters.

For me I'd like to see EarthWorm Jim.

I must say you are a clever mastermind when it comes to convincing people of Slime, with this in mind, why is it that Slime isn't as likely as you make it out to be? Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

That was the point... read the question I was replying to.

NVM me my bad read only half of the question....

 

[OmegaXXII]

As for the question hmm... Phoenix Wright would do just fine.

 

[Starphoenix]

I must say you are a clever mastermind when it comes to convincing people of Slime, with this in mind, why is it that Slime isn't as likely as you make it out to be? Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.

It isn't that he is unlikely. The whole point of my writings on Slime have been how he is one of the likelier third party characters. Maybe even the most in some respects. But I'm not going to delude myself into believing that he is a popular request here. Japan maybe. Here, ehh... That is what I meant.

I so need to do an EarthWorm Jim GIF.

 

[Metal Overlord]

People have been saying that Zoroark chances are helped due to having similar body structure to Mewtwo and Lucario, but couldn't the same thing apply to Victini? Victini has a similar body structure to Pichu and Plusle & Minun; the former of which was in Melee and the other that was planned in Brawl?

This could make Victini somewhat comfortable for Sakurai to implement as he would be if Zoroark was chosen.

I agree. This reminds me... IMO, the "Mew-like structure" argument against Victini really is an extremely overrated argument...

 

[Phostopheles]

Oooor, I dunno. Geno?

Lawl, Geno.

Edit: Cool, I haz a siggy nao.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Edit: Cool, I haz a siggy nao.

What are it?

 

[CalvinWars]

Lawl, Geno.

Edit: Cool, I haz a siggy nao.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243287

I have a bad feeling a lot of people are gonna start objecting.

 

[BirthNote]

I hate the third gen starters. Conceptually they were the weakest, even weaker than fifth gen's. So I wouldn't want to use any of those.

Following your rules, I'd choose:
Torchic, Croconaw, Torterra
or
Mudkip, Quilava, Torterra

If I could pick any of the ones you listed without having to abide by gen rep rules, I'd pick:
Empoleon, Infernape, Torterra

And if I could pick any starters from any gen, I'd pick:
Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard

I generally agree with what you said about the 3rd gen starters. The funny thing is that out of gens 2-4, I like the appearances of Gen 3's final evolutions. If I could, I'd probably have a Sceptile, Blaziken and Swampert set.

Anyway, thanks for choosing a few lineups. Do you mind if I include that in my roster examples from now on? I'll put it in the part that ends with "*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea".

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

Banjo and Kazooie. I'd even be cool with their Xbox 360 look cuz it would show that they're no longer with Nintendo. I could even imagine an event match or 2 that involves B-K, Mario and Sonic since Mario has been referenced in some B-K games, and that duo was in Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing.

For me I'd like to see EarthWorm Jim.

EWJ would be amazing. I'm torn between Rayman or B-K lol.

 

[Phostopheles]

What are it?

I decided to basically do what Shortie did, but only for new franchises, and only for the fifteen most selected. It's clear that Isaac and Little Mac are the frontrunners...it's not so clear what the next most popular characters are. So I removed them from the equation to see if we can peg the next most desired reps.

 

[Phostopheles]

I generally agree with what you said about the 3rd gen starters. The funny thing is that out of gens 2-4, I like the appearances of Gen 3's final evolutions. If I could, I'd probably have a Sceptile, Blaziken and Swampert set.

Anyway, thanks for choosing a few lineups. Do you mind if I include that in my roster examples from now on? I'll put it in the part that ends with "*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea".

I support Banjo Kazooie as well, even though that'll never happen.

Sure, you can use my Torchic, Croconaw, Torterra lineup. It's the one I'd probably prefer of the two.

 

[Phostopheles]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243287

I have a bad feeling a lot of people are gonna start objecting.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how stupid that meme is.

Great game, great character, not a chance in hell.

Edit: Holy **** guys, sorry for triple posting. I figured the thread would move faster.

 

[OmegaXXII]

It isn't that he is unlikely. The whole point of my writings on Slime have been how he is one of the likelier third party characters. Maybe even the most in some respects. But I'm not going to delude myself into believing that he is a popular request here. Japan maybe. Here, ehh... That is what I meant.

I so need to do an EarthWorm Jim GIF.

Well, as long as he's wanted in Japan it's all good right? I believe so.

 

[Conviction]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243287

I have a bad feeling a lot of people are gonna start objecting.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243368

your fault.

 

[CalvinWars]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243368

your fault.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243382

 

[OmegaXXII]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5243287

I have a bad feeling a lot of people are gonna start objecting.

Haha, we were doing this alot the other day, it was fun, now I will say, "objection"!!!!

 

[ChronoBound]

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

That is easy. I would like to see Crono from Chrono Trigger. However, that is very unlikely.

I would also like to see someone from Castlevania.

However, both of these choices have rather dismal chances.

The only third-party character I want that has a realistic chance at getting in is Mega Man.

 

[Phostopheles]

Poll fixed to remove Isaac and Little Mac. Might have to vote again.

 

[Mishudo]

So, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

Easily Marina from Mischief Makers.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Phoenix Wright Hype!!

I wouldn't mind another Nintendo All-Star like The Black Knight instead though.

 

[Oasis_S]

I hope Ganondorf plays as I envisioned the Black Knight playing. IF THAT HAPPENS then I don't care that the Black Knight will never get in Smash.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I hope Ganondorf plays as I envisioned the Black Knight playing. IF THAT HAPPENS then I don't care that the Black Knight will never get in Smash.

Agreed, The Black Knight's style should totally be incorporated into him, he would be the slowest but the most powerful one in terms of dishing it out, also recovery would be enhanced, although I'm not sure what recovery moves Ganon possessess. xD

 

[Oasis_S]

If LoZ is any indication...

He would make the stage come to him.

 

[Phostopheles]

I hope Ganondorf plays as I envisioned the Black Knight playing. IF THAT HAPPENS then I don't care that the Black Knight will never get in Smash.

I can picture him like that, but I think K. Rool fits better as a super-heavyweight. That, and we already have Ike for a super-slow swordsman. Also also, Black Knight's chances are pretty slim.

 

[Deleted member]

@Opelucid's roster: Very good. Just add back Lucas and drop Krystal and you have a realistic roster.

@Birthnote's idea: If we had a Trainer that combined the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen, for the Fire Type, I choose Typhlosion (Blaziken is nice, but Typlosion is awesome), Grass Type goes to Grotle, and Water Type goes to Mudkip.

People are already giving up on Star Fox? Smh. Star Fox 64 3D was never going to sell well in Japan for one and Japan isn't the only place in the world; I hear it's actually doing decent in the UK and we still don't have US sales yet, where Star Fox sells best. At least wait until then before jumping to conclusions.

I think we should wait until the end of January, 2012 to see how the sales are before deciding whenever or not it's no longer a profitable series.

Star Fox may be able to get away with a lower amount of sales for a new installment since the latest game was a remake of Star Fox 64.

With that said, I don't feel that getting a new 5th gen Pokerep or FE rep is absolutely 100% guaranteed like some people might think.

Fire Emblem, you are right. However, I feel as a "flavor-of-the-month" rep is guarantee. Hopefully it's Victini.

dont think its likely Sakurai will put in a japanese only playable character in smash. Then again the only reason jigglypuff is in smash bros was because it was popular in japan. So i guess its a 50/50 chance he might include one. Same applies to the reason roy and marth were in smash.

I don't think Takamaru would count as Japan-only.

akamaru, I would consider the 3rd most probable candidate for SSB4, between Saki and Isaac.

I don't really consider any of the three to be Top 5 material, but definitely in the Top 10. All three should be in Smash.

If any 3rd gen character gets in, it should be Deoxys, IMO.

Definitely the most deserving potential Pokemon newcomer; although a 3rd gen Pokemon replacing the original or Plusle & Minun would be decent as well.

ooks like you can add another Dragon Quest title to Nintendo's repertoire. Dragon Quest Monsters, the original title fit the GBC, is being remade for the 3DS. I know a couple guys liked the game. Here is the link.

gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=161664&sid=186f95e258c5c50bc0f0 eacbcd03db79

Nice information. I don't think it raises his chances, but it's nice to see the relationship continue.

An interesting question has just come to mind, and I'd like to see how everyone would answer:

Let's assume that, like Brawl, they will add only six new characters from unrepresented franchises, third parties included.

Looking at the primary Nintendo candidates, we have:

Tingle (Balloon Fighter)
Little Mac (Punch Out)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment)
Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)
Ray (Custom Robo)
Shulk (Xenoblade Chronicles)
Lip (Panel de Pon)
Takamaru (Nazo no Murasame-jo)

Those are all very deserving characters, each with the potential for very interesting movesets.

So the question I put to you is:

If having no third parties meant the developers had the resources to add all 9 characters, would you be okay with no Sonic/Megaman/Whoever? What if they still could only add 6 characters, but all 6 would be from that list instead of 2 slots going toward third party reps, would your answer change?

That's a good question.

If they had all 9 characters from Nintendo franchises, I would have no qualms giving up third-party characters entirely since they aren't necessarily needed for a Smash game. As for if there was six reps we could choose instead of all nine, here would be my answer:

- Ray (Custom Robo)
- Saki Amamiya (Sin & Punishment)
- Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)
- Lip (Panel De Pon)
- Isaac (Golden Sun)
- Takamaru (Nazo No Murasame Jo)

o, my new question for all of you is: Which non-demanded Mainly-Nintendo Third-Party newcomer would you like to see, even though they probably won't?

I pick Strider Hiryu. He's the only other Capcom rep I support a playable inclusion of. I'm like one of the three supporters of his inclusion.

I agree. This reminds me... IMO, the "Mew-like structure" argument against Victini really is an extremely overrated argument...

It doesn't really have a Mew-like structure like the others as I've said before. What Victini does have to worry about is its Mew-like stats that could get him the Pokeball treatment. That said, I agree that the extend that detractors use is overrated as there are no rules saying that Mew-like Pokemons can't be playable.

I decided to basically do what Shortie did, but only for new franchises, and only for the fifteen most selected. It's clear that Isaac and Little Mac are the frontrunners...it's not so clear what the next most popular characters are. So I removed them from the equation to see if we can peg the next most desired reps.

That's easy, Saki Amamiya.