New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

Speaking of clones, Dr. Mario was definitely the truest clone ever in Smash. Not only a very similar moveset to Mario, hell even his own damn Smash trophy in Melee said it, unlike the other clony clones, he didn't even have his own voice files...

I want him back.

 

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Where did you get the replacing mumbo jumbo ? there was no official statement that any character in Brawl was replacing a character it was just an assumption....

To some extent. As I believe Sonic was the reason we never got Mewtwo and Roy.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I don't think no females is "a problem". The problem lies in the fact that Nintendo doesn't make too many girl protagonists.

But if we dig a little, we have Hikari (from Donbi and Hikari (sp?) we have Lip from Panel de Pon, and Alice from Balloon Kid. All of these MAIN characters that are female.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Micaiah instead of Lyn.

End of story.

Macaiah can't do anything physical and I remember one of the games was called Melee "a confused hand-to-hand fight or struggle among several people. "
dude you are quite contradictory if you want something think of the whole package not a specific thing because things don't go the way you're describing..if Roy is coming back he would be a costume for Marth which will be the new SSB gimmick.

 

[Metal Overlord]

if Roy is coming back he would be a costume for Marth

Nah.

10toads

 

[OmegaXXII]

Where did you get the replacing mumbo jumbo ? there was no official statement that any character in Brawl was replacing a character it was just an assumption....

Lol..it was aimed at whoever said Lucario was Mewtwo's clone, somebody actually gave good reasons as fo' why this wasn't so, I'm not gonna go back 1000 pages for it.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Macaiah can't do anything physical and I remember one of the games was called Melee "a confused hand-to-hand fight or struggle among several people. "
dude you are quite contradictory if you want something think of the whole package not a specific thing because things don't go the way you're describing..if Roy is coming back he would be a costume for Marth which will be the new SSB gimmick.

Peach can't do any fighting either, yet she turned out to be quite a capable fighter in the Smash series.

Micaiah can fight using magic tomes, mixing some basic punches, like Zelda. Be more open minded.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Macaiiah would be unique, quite bashing her, a character doesn't necessarly have to use moves based on it's canon games, Sakurai can create some moves like ROB for example.

 

[Phostopheles]

This is a tough one, but if you mean if all of these characters could be included but we get no Megaman or Sonic?

Well... my answer, albeit complicated, would be the following.


I would take all of those characters over Megaman, I think. (But that was a really hard decision. I'm only thinking long term, and this is a Nintendo game first and foremost...)

I would only drop Sonic if they add the main character from StarTropics I & II.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean Sonic and Megaman specifically. I meant ANY third party reps: Ryu, Slime, Sora, other Ryu, Bomberman, etc. etc. etc. I had a brief moment of insight that third parties don't HAVE to return. Sakurai could easily decide to revert back to a pure Nintendo roster.

 

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Meh, I doubt Micaich would work despite being unique.

I mean her special skill is to hurt herself in order to heal an ally.

If anything save her magic for Palutena or Medusa movesets.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Peach can't do any fighting either, yet she turned out to be quite a capable fighter in the Smash series.

Micaiah can fight using magic tomes, mixing some basic punches, like Zelda. Be more open minded.

You never saw peach fight neither Zelda. Micaiah was surrounded with men and she couldn't do a thing until Sothe came and saved her. I'm actually more open minded than you are just in a bigger box while I'm roaming free with my thoughts.

@ Omega : Mewtwo/ Lucario problem could just be fixed with some moves swap like his down B and Up B and that's all probable with downloadable skin and I think it was cancelled because the Wii wouldn't handle it or w/e I'm not very technical but I saw things in every angle and direction and I'm certain of what I'm saying.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol..it was aimed at whoever said Lucario was Mewtwo's clone, somebody actually gave good reasons as fo' why this wasn't so, I'm not gonna go back 1000 pages for it.

I'll give some (hopefully).

The only things that I think people would find similar to Lucario is his neutral B move, his side B move to an extent, and the fact that Up+B recovery move doesn't do any damage. Other than that, they play almost completely different.

Saying Lucario is a clone of Mewtwo is like saying Jigglypuff is a Kirby clone, IMO.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I'll give some (hopefully).

The only things that I think people would find similar to Lucario is his neutral B move, his side B move to an extent, and the fact that Up+B recovery move doesn't do any damage. Other than that, they play almost completely different.

Saying Lucario is a clone of Mewtwo is like saying Jigglypuff is a Kirby clone, IMO.

I believe there is a structure for characters in SSBB and I believe Lucario and Mewtwo have a matchable structure same goes for Marth and Roy...

 

[Roy-Kun]

You never saw peach fight neither Zelda. Micaiah was surrounded with men and she couldn't do a thing until Sothe came and saved her. I'm actually more open minded than you are just in a bigger box while I'm roaming free with my thoughts.

Point taken. Yet it's no excuse to be unable to give Micaiah a unique moveset. The reason why I don't want Lyn is because she's not exactly popular, and more sword-users just ruins the fun. Fire Emblem is more than just swords.

 

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Point taken. Yet it's no excuse to be unable to give Micaiah a unique moveset. The reason why I don't want Lyn is because she's not exactly popular, and more sword-users just ruins the fun. Fire Emblem is more than just swords.

Thank You!

Also Caeda for SSB4.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Point taken. Yet it's no excuse to be unable to give Micaiah a unique moveset. The reason why I don't want Lyn is because she's not exactly popular, and more sword-users just ruins the fun. Fire Emblem is more than just swords.

Well deal with it I never saw Fire Emblem with none-Sword using Main characters.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Just to clarify, I didn't mean Sonic and Megaman specifically. I meant ANY third party reps: Ryu, Slime, Sora, other Ryu, Bomberman, etc. etc. etc. I had a brief moment of insight that third parties don't HAVE to return. Sakurai could easily decide to revert back to a pure Nintendo roster.

I rather have Nintendo characters (1st and 2nd party) over 3rd party. Other than Megaman, there isn't any other 3rd party character I'd like to see.

So I'll go with a pure-bred Nintendo roster this time.

 

[BirthNote]

Every once in a while around this time of the month I bring up an idea I thought of in May. The convenient thing is y'all were talking about pokemon and trainers all ready -- since yesterday even . There's minor alterations, so for the 5th time, here it is:

Pokemon Trainer Idea

Spoiler

What if the Pokemon Trainer didn't have 3 pokemon from one generation? Instead, what if he/she had a lineup that combined generations 2 through 4? Pokemon representation can be brought up to speed if this happens, as opposed to a 3rd Generation in a hypothetical SSB5 and so on. There's many pokemon to choose from in one generation alone, therefore deciding who makes it is anyone's guess, so here are the NUMEROUS options:



2nd Generation
Chikorita

Bayleef

Meganium

Cyndaquil

Quilava

Typhlosion

Totodile

Croconaw

Feraligatr

3rd Generation
Treecko

Grovyle

Sceptile

Torchic

Combusken

Blaziken

Mudkip

Marshtomp

Swampert

4th Generation
Turtwig

Grotle

Torterra

Chimchar

Monferno

Infernape

Piplup

Prinplup

Empoleon

The pokemon are listed from phases 1 to 3. I've color-coded them to make their type (grass, fire, water) obvious, and I provided images because not everyone (myself included) knows what these pokemon look like.

So, my idea is for the Trainer to have 3 pokemon, but with one belonging to a specific generation, type and phase. The list above features the choices, and only one pokemon can be chosen from each generation, as well as type, and evolution phase. The chosen 3 can't share similarities in phase, type or generation. Here are the features:

-Its meant to replace Red's Pokemon with a new, multi-region/gen set. If MOST (not a vocal minority) are uncomfortable with Red using multi-gens/regions, then perhaps they can create a new Trainer to take his place, like the ones in the series do. This can solve the problem of a trainer that only features 1 gen.
-The PT could have a male and female version, with about 5 alts.
-Only one PT in SSB4
-This is NOT meant to showcase a customizable roster. When you have 27 options, people will not choose the same set.

Here are some of the choices that people have made:

Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken (ToddCam, Sonic Poke, Spydr Enzo)
Treecko, Quilava, Empoleon (BirthNote)
Totodile, Grovyle, Infernape (augustoflores)
Chimchar, Grovyle, Feraligatr (shortiecanbrawl)

*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea.
I think this idea as a whole is an innovative approach to choosing a PT lineup, but I have to admit that some of these candidates can't work for Smash because of...notable concerns. Some are armless, and others are FREAKING MASSIVE (guess who). They can be resized, but anyway, I made many combinations that I haven't listed. My personal choice would be to follow up on Brawl's PT range: fire would have its first phase, water would be in its second, and grass would feature its third phase. The phase layout that I've mentioned is how I would do it--if you want to come up with your own layout or follow Brawl's, go ahead.

So what do you all think? Is it best for the PT to have a strictly 2nd generation lineup, or have a roster that spans these 3 generations? With this, they could possibly get away with featuring all of Pokemon generations; Pika and Jiggs feature the first whereas the Trainer showcases 3 and the 5th generation can showcase Zoroark. Who would you choose as the Pokemon Trainer's fighters?

When picking a set, I avoided the Turtwig line because of how massive it can be. I'm not sure if Turtwig itself could use vines like Bulbasaur or Chikorita, so unless I'm proven wrong, I'm putting the Turtwig line in the armless category. I came up with more sets, like:
Chikorita, Prinplup, Blaziken (just an alteration of that Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken set that seems to be so popular)
Chimchar, Bayleef, Swampert
Piplup, Quilava, Sceptile

 

[Roy-Kun]

Thank You!

Also Caeda for SSB4.

I can live with that. I guess.

Well deal with it I never saw Fire Emblem with none-Sword using Main characters.

Sigh. Micaiah is one. Oh, Ephraim. Did I mention Sigurd used lances too? Oh, and Hector too. I think I'm missing someone...

 

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Well deal with it I never saw Fire Emblem with none-Sword using Main characters.

Hector - Axes

Celica - Swords, Magic, Healing Magic,

Micaiah - Magic, Healing Magic,

Lyn - Swords, Bows,

Ike - Swords, Axes,

Ect. Just to name a few.

 

[Phostopheles]

The reason why I don't want Lyn is because she's not exactly popular, and more sword-users just ruins the fun. Fire Emblem is more than just swords.

Yes, but the likelihood of any non-sword user getting in SSB is incredibly slim. It's the same reason why all the heroes in Dissidia are swordsmen. It's expected that the main hero of a JRPG have an infinity plus one sword, and unfortunately main characters are the only ones in contention atm.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I try to avoid Fire Emblem / Pokemon discussions. There are just so many characters to deal with I'm sure they'll just go for the last popular one, and call it a day anyway.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Every once in a while around this time of the month I bring up an idea I thought of in May. The convenient thing is y'all are talking about pokemon and trainers all ready -- since yesterday even . There's minor alterations, so for the 5th time, here it is:

Pokemon Trainer Idea

Spoiler

What if the Pokemon Trainer didn't have 3 pokemon from one generation? Instead, what if he/she had a lineup that combined generations 2 through 4? Pokemon representation can be brought up to speed if this happens, as opposed to a 3rd Generation in a hypothetical SSB5 and so on. There's many pokemon to choose from in one generation alone, therefore deciding who makes it is anyone's guess, so here are the NUMEROUS options:



2nd Generation
Chikorita

Bayleef

Meganium

Cyndaquil

Quilava

Typhlosion

Totodile

Croconaw

Feraligatr

3rd Generation
Treecko

Grovyle

Sceptile

Torchic

Combusken

Blaziken

Mudkip

Marshtomp

Swampert

4th Generation
Turtwig

Grotle

Torterra

Chimchar

Monferno

Infernape

Piplup

Prinplup

Empoleon

The pokemon are listed from phases 1 to 3. I've color-coded them to make their type (grass, fire, water) obvious, and I provided images because not everyone (myself included) knows what these pokemon look like.

So, my idea is for the Trainer to have 3 pokemon, but with one belonging to a specific generation, type and phase. The list above features the choices, and only one pokemon can be chosen from each generation, as well as type, and evolution phase. The chosen 3 can't share similarities in phase, type or generation. Here are the features:

-Its meant to replace Red's Pokemon with a new, multi-region/gen set. If MOST (not a vocal minority) are uncomfortable with Red using multi-gens/regions, then perhaps they can create a new Trainer to take his place, like the ones in the series do. This can solve the problem of a trainer that only features 1 gen.
-The PT could have a male and female version, with about 5 alts.
-Only one PT in SSB4
-This is NOT meant to showcase a customizable roster. When you have 27 options, people will not choose the same set.

Here are some of the choices that people have made:

Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken (ToddCam, Sonic Poke, Spydr Enzo)
Treecko, Quilava, Empoleon (BirthNote)
Totodile, Grovyle, Infernape (augustoflores)
Chimchar, Grovyle, Feraligatr (shortiecanbrawl)

*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea.
I think this idea as a whole is an innovative approach to choosing a PT lineup, but I have to admit that some of these candidates can't work for Smash because of...notable concerns. Some are armless, and others are FREAKING MASSIVE (guess who). They can be resized, but anyway, I made many combinations that I haven't listed. My personal choice would be to follow up on Brawl's PT range: fire would have its first phase, water would be in its second, and grass would feature its third phase. The phase layout that I've mentioned is how I would do it--if you want to come up with your own layout or follow Brawl's, go ahead.

So what do you all think? Is it best for the PT to have a strictly 2nd generation lineup, or have a roster that spans these 3 generations? With this, they could possibly get away with featuring all of Pokemon generations; Pika and Jiggs feature the first whereas the Trainer showcases 3 and the 5th generation can showcase Zoroark. Who would you choose as the Pokemon Trainer's fighters?

When picking a set, I avoided the Turtwig line because of how massive it can be. I'm not sure if Turtwig itself could use vines like Bulbasaur or Chikorita, so unless I'm proven wrong, I'm putting the Turtwig line in the armless category. I came up with more sets, like:
Chikorita, Prinplup, Blaziken (just an alteration of that Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken set that seems to be so popular)
Chimchar, Bayleef, Swampert
Piplup, Quilava, Sceptile

Great Idea except that all these Ideas may not be applied because 5th gen is hogging the spotlight so unless we got R/S remake for the 3DS or the DS we might just see PT from 1st gen > 5th gen and Zoroark.

 

[OmegaXXII]

It's fun discussing so.

 

[Roy-Kun]

It's the whole point of this thread, right?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Thank You!

Also Caeda for SSB4.

Haha, a glimmer of hope I see.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Yes, but the likelihood of any non-sword user getting in SSB is incredibly slim. It's the same reason why all the heroes in Dissidia are swordsmen. It's expected that the main hero of a JRPG have an infinity plus one sword, and unfortunately main characters are the only ones in contention atm.

Wow finally someone who understands...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well deal with it I never saw Fire Emblem with none-Sword using Main characters.

Dude, what's the point of all this? In the end we all know they aren't likely to happen anyway, let's just go with Ike and Roy shall we?

 

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Haha, a glimmer of hope I see.

Yep. I still haven't lost hope.

I'll explain why when I finally post my edited roster. But for now both Roy and Chrome I am placing them a head of her.

Also I miss BK.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yep. I still haven't lost hope.

I'll explain why when I finally post my edited roster. But for now both Roy and Chrome I am placing them a head of her.

Also I miss BK.

Well, whatever it is it better give good reasoning as to why I don't see Ike considered on here.

I also miss The Black Knight, hopefully a cameo appearance?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Hector - Axes

Hector can use swords to and Eliwood is quite the main character here.

Celica - Swords, Magic, Healing Magic,

He have Sword and his main weapon is going to be Tyrfang so yea (next).

Micaiah - Magic, Healing Magic,

Ike in the same game as her so she isn't a main lord.

Lyn - Swords, Bows,

Her main weapon is Sol Kati...

Ike - Swords, Axes,

Ragnell and Urvan isn't exclusive to Ike.

Ect. Just to name a few.

^^^^^^^^^^ answers.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Haha, I love to see some FE discussion, also some new FE themes would be nice.

 

[Roy-Kun]

^^^^^^^^^^ answers.

Oh look, when Hector joins Smash, he will use a Sword instead of an Axe.

Freaking yay.

Haha, I love to see some FE discussion, also some new FE themes would be nice.

It's quite a wide topic, right? But Pokemon is by far more complicated.

Eh, themes? I'd like to hear "Clash of Two Virtues" remixed for Smash 4.

 

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^^^^^^^^^^ answers.

??? I was posting a few examples, so don't freak out about them.

And on a side note Celica's a girl.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

??? I was posting a few examples, so don't freak out about them.

And on a side note Celica's a girl.

Lol I thought it was Celice you were talking about .

 

[Phostopheles]

When picking a set, I avoided the Turtwig line because of how massive it can be. I'm not sure if Turtwig itself could use vines like Bulbasaur or Chikorita, so unless I'm proven wrong, I'm putting the Turtwig line in the armless category. I came up with more sets, like:
Chikorita, Prinplup, Blaziken (just an alteration of that Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken set that seems to be so popular)
Chimchar, Bayleef, Swampert
Piplup, Quilava, Sceptile

I hate the third gen starters. Conceptually they were the weakest, even weaker than fifth gen's. So I wouldn't want to use any of those.

Following your rules, I'd choose:
Torchic, Croconaw, Torterra
or
Mudkip, Quilava, Torterra

If I could pick any of the ones you listed without having to abide by gen rep rules, I'd pick:
Empoleon, Infernape, Torterra

And if I could pick any starters from any gen, I'd pick:
Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard

 

[OmegaXXII]

Wouldn't Hector most likely use an axe anyway.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Wouldn't Hsctor most likely use an axe anyway.

Eliwood hogs the spotlight from Hector in some way where you have to complete Eliwood story to unlock Hector's.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And if I could pick any starters from any gen, I'd pick:
Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard

Lol..isn't this Pokemon Trainer already?

 

[Roy-Kun]

Wouldn't Hector most likely use an axe anyway.

The way he makes it sound seems like he would turn out using a sword.

I'm all for Hector if we turn out to have a FE7 rep. He is the most popular Lord both in Japan and world-wide out of the FE7 lords.