New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Conviction]

Dude, you can't measure how much more powerful a console is than another by percentage because there are many different factors to measure, one console may excell at one feature which the other is lacking and vice versa. You don't need technical insight to realize this.

50% more powerful is obviously a commercial message aimed to give customers a rough understanding of the new console not a number exactly depicting it's power relative to it's predecesor.

And seriously, this is simple as hell. Also I never stated any fact, I just said that 50% isn't one and I explained why. I gave my own vague statement about the wiiU probably being slightly more powerful than the ps3 because that statement, although vague, is still much more accurate (maybe accurate is not the right word, more like much more describing, because the other doesn't really say anything) than the one saying ''50% more powerful than the wii'' from the developers (as if though it came straight from the developers and didn't pass through the commercial department, sigh).

Now please stop trolling or we it is you are doing.

How am I trolling? LOL

You admit what you said is vague.

How is replacing vague with something else that is vague better?

 

[Big-Cat]

The WiiU runs natively at 1080p. it can run 720p and 480p but i doubt nintendo would do that to it's own games.

I think Smash, at least, will be in 720p as its native resolution. The reason I say this is because:

1. Some TVs and monitors, like both of mine, only go up to 720p. They should try to go for the broadest audience in terms of availability as 720p is the minimum mark for HD and you don't necessarily have to worry about the game/console not being future-proof for probably quite some time.
2. If the WiiU has to downscale from 1080p, the result of which could lead to display lag that is referred to in fighting game circles. IMO, this is the most important reason.

Any other series that doesn't require precise input timings like Smash will probably run at 1080p natively.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

There's a pretty ridiculous amount of misinformation in this thread. We do not know much at all about WiiU's specs at this moment, and they are still subject to change before the official release next year. Here is a list of literally everything we know about the WiiU (I've taken this from another forum) with sources:

Confirmed
-25GB optical discs
-USB/SD storage expansion (4 USB ports)
-Fully backwards compatible with the Wii (Games, Wii Remotes, Wii Balance Boards, etc.)
-Not backwards compatible with the GC
-No Blu-Ray
-Internal storage (No hard drive)
-Saving data to SD Cards (SDHC compatible
-45-nanometer 3 core IBM processor (embedded DRAM and Silicon insulator)
-Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, and 480i resolutions
-No DVD playback
-Controller not sold separately
-Wii U will only support the controller that comes with it
-6.2-inch, 16:9 touch screen controller
-Rechargeable controller
-HDMI and AV Multi out ports
-Custom AMD Radeon™ HD GPU
-Controller has a built-in accelerometer and gyroscope, rumble feature, camera, a microphone, stereo speakers, a sensor strip and a stylus.

Unconfirmed
-GPU will be similar to AMD's R700 Series and have 1GB of video memory
-8GB of internal storage

Sources
http://kotaku.com/5809701/wii-u-discs-will-be-25gb-in-size
http://www.nintendobuzz.com/wii-u-details-25-gb-discs-no-gamecube-compatibility/
http://kotaku.com/5797890/nintendos-next-console-will-enter-the-hd-era-but-not-the-hard+drive-era
http://techland.time.com/2011/06/09/wii-u-specs-disclosed-including-25gb-optical-discs/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/ibm-puts-watsons-brains-in-nintendo-wii-u/
http://www.beongames.com/features-of-nintendo-wii-u/
http://www.gamepur.com/news/4082-wii-u-technical-specification-revealed.html
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26618
http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...ole-gaming-entertainment-nyse-amd-1523972.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0050SVHZO/httpwwwpuncco-20

So im confused, so can we still use our pro classic wii controller or has that not been confirmed?Are there any port's for it?

Cose they didin't even show much of the Wii U

I like the Wii U pad but i rather have a controller that is not wirless!

I would realy like it if there was a usb cable for it!

 

[vVv Rapture]

So im confused, so can we still use our pro classic wii controller or has that not been confirmed?Are there any port's for it?

Cose they didin't even show much of the Wii U

I like the Wii U pad but i rather have a controller that is not wirless!

You can use the classic controller, but with a Wii mote. There's no ports for anything except USB-based peripherals.

You won't be using the Wii U tablet for Smash since the system only supports 1-2 and it won't work based on the sliders and button placement.

I literally have to repeat this over and over.

 

[Conviction]

2. If the WiiU has to downscale from 1080p, the result of which could lead to display lag that is referred to in fighting game circles. IMO, this is the most important reason.

Any other series that doesn't require precise input timings like Smash will probably run at 1080p natively.

This part is completely true. I turn down the resolution on my tv when i play Smash. 1 frame of lag is actually really bad.

If you have the option to turn the resolution up to 1080 like my tv does that would be nice so my recordings I upload or other smashers want me to upload will look even better.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

I'm on the optimistic side, and even I think that is still WAAAAAAY too many third-parties.

What's wrong with 50% Nintendo and 50% third party. If 60 is too much, how about I try cutting down to 50.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

You can use the classic controller, but with a Wii mote. There's no ports for anything except USB-based peripherals.

You won't be using the Wii U tablet for Smash since the system only supports 1-2 and it won't work based on the sliders and button placement.

I literally have to repeat this over and over.

Well im glad you can use the classic contoller yay

I'm sorry didin't mean for you to have to repeat you self, I just havent seen any thing about it.

 

[vVv Rapture]

What's wrong with 50% Nintendo and 50% third party. If 60 is too much, how about I try cutting down to 50.

Because it's a Nintendo game that showcases Nintendo characters.

How about try cutting it down to a roster of 50 and a third party roster of 2 or 3.

 

[Jaklub]

Because it's a Nintendo game that showcases Nintendo characters.

How about try cutting it down to a roster of 50 and a third party roster of 2 or 3.

Smash Bros. is a crossover game and I don't think that there are more limits over the licensing problems and the costs.

Though the 3rd party character choices in the OMGULTRA403RDPARTIES roster are weird in some cases and I agree that 50/50 between Nintendo and 3rd parties will not happen.

 

[Shorts]

Can someone tell me if the "50% more powerful than the PS3" quote was from Reggie? I just watched a video about it and I couldn't tell if it was from him, or another person. It sounds like this rumor could be true. Well, if it was said by the right person, it is true.

On a side note, Square wants to make a Final Fantasy game for the WiiU. I think that's a posative step in their relationship.

 

[Big-Cat]

This part is completely true. I turn down the resolution on my tv when i play Smash. 1 frame of lag is actually really bad.

Especially if you're playing something with intense timing like Street Fighter 4 (and I think the barrier is too high for going from character to another). When I went from my HDTV to my monitor, there was a huge difference. For those of you wondering, a frame is roughly 17 miliseconds. Some TVs have as many as 500 ms of lag and that's pretty much unacceptable for gaming.

If you have the option to turn the resolution up to 1080 like my tv does that would be nice so my recordings I upload or other smashers want me to upload will look even better.

What would be really super special awesome is if you could upload the matches straight to Youtube like you can with the upcoming 3rd Strike online. No need for capturing, just a direct upload with all the quality present.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Smash Bros. is a crossover game and I don't think that there are more limits over the licensing problems and the costs.

Though the 3rd party character choices in the OMGULTRA403RDPARTIES roster are weird in some cases and I agree that 50/50 between Nintendo and 3rd parties will not happen.

Look even if you calculate the 50/50 Nintendo and 3rd party, it still shows Nintendo dominance. Capcom characters account roughly 20 of the 60 characters in my roster.

 

[smashmachine]

this isn't nintendo vs. capcom, this is smash bros

 

[majora_787]

Look even if you calculate the 50/50 Nintendo and 3rd party, it still shows Nintendo dominance. Capcom characters account roughly 20 of the 60 characters in my roster.

That's still waaaay too many 3rd parties... o_O

Is anyone else having a weird connection issue on the forums today? x_x

 

[Shorts]

Look even if you calculate the 50/50 Nintendo and 3rd party, it still shows Nintendo dominance. Capcom characters account roughly 20 of the 60 characters in my roster.

This will never happen. It's nice to dream, but that is all this is. Smash will NEVER have that many third parties. Most of which you choose are unlikely anyways. Nintendo vs. Capcom is different than Super Smash Brothers.

Is anyone else having a weird connection issue on the forums today? x_x

I keep getting "Bad Gateway" whenever I try to go back a page. . .

 

[Jaklub]

Look even if you calculate the 50/50 Nintendo and 3rd party, it still shows Nintendo dominance. Capcom characters account roughly 20 of the 60 characters in my roster.

The problem is not only too large amount of third parties, but the choice of them too. Characters from Disagea? Nintendo devs mentioned that they're trying to make the characters fit into one game. Too many obscure characters that would barely fit into the Smash Bros. game.

@majora_787: yup, the connection issue is horrible.

 

[BirthNote]

I'm also having connection problems like the ones you've all mentioned.

Anyway, with news of SSB4 to be developed soon, there have been more people taking an interest in talking about Smash for Wii U. So, I've decided to bring back some ideas of mine from the "Official SSB4 Discussion Thread".

Pokemon Trainer Idea

Spoiler

What if the Pokemon Trainer didn't have 3 pokemon from one generation? Instead, what if he/she had a lineup that combined generations 2 through 4? Pokemon representation can be brought up to speed if this happens, as opposed to a 3rd Generation in a hypothetical SSB5 and so on. There's many pokemon to choose from in one generation alone, therefore deciding who makes it is anyone's guess, so here are the NUMEROUS options:



2nd Generation
Chikorita

Bayleef

Meganium

Cyndaquil

Quilava

Typhlosion

Totodile

Croconaw

Feraligatr

3rd Generation
Treecko

Grovyle

Sceptile

Torchic

Combusken

Blaziken

Mudkip

Marshtomp

Swampert

4th Generation
Turtwig

Grotle

Torterra

Chimchar

Monferno

Infernape

Piplup

Prinplup

Empoleon

The pokemon are listed from phases 1 to 3. I've color-coded them to make their type (grass, fire, water) obvious, and I provided images because not everyone (myself included) knows what these pokemon look like.

So, my idea is for the Trainer to have 3 pokemon, but with one belonging to a specific generation, type and phase. The list above features the choices, and only one pokemon can be chosen from each generation, as well as type, and evolution phase. The chosen 3 can't share similarities in phase, type or generation. Here are the features:

-Its meant to replace Brawl's PT and Pokemon with a new, SSB only PT. This can solve the problem of a trainer that only features 1 gen.
-The PT could have a male and female version, with about 5 alts.
-Only one PT in SSB4
-This is NOT meant to showcase a customizable roster. When you have 27 options, people will not choose the same set.

Here are some of the choices that people have made:

Piplup, Bayleef, Blaziken (ToddCam, Sonic Poke, Spydr Enzo)
Treecko, Quilava, Empoleon (BirthNote)
Totodile, Grovyle, Infernape (augustoflores)
Chimchar, Grovyle, Feraligatr (shortiecanbrawl)

*Not everyone who chose a lineup supports the idea.

I think this idea as a whole is an innovative approach to choosing a PT lineup, but I have to admit that some of these candidates can't work for Smash because of...notable concerns. Some are armless, and others are FREAKING MASSIVE (guess who). Anyway, I made many combinations that I haven't listed, but my personal choice would be to follow up on Brawl's PT range: fire would have its first phase, water would be in its second, and grass would feature its third phase. The phase layout that I've mentioned is how I would do it--if you want to come up with your own layout or follow Brawl's, go ahead.

So what do you all think? Is it best for the PT to have a strictly 2nd generation lineup, or have a roster that spans these 3 generations? With this, they could possibly get away with featuring all of Pokemon generations; Pika and Jiggs feature the first whereas the Trainer showcases 3 and the 5th generation can showcase Zoroark. Who would you choose as the Pokemon Trainer's fighters?

Event Match Ideas

Spoiler

I would like to share some ideas I thought of for Smash 4's Event Matches. The list focuses on different characters, and while ALL are hypothetical, some are even moreso.
Samus

Spoiler

-Metroid Rampage: 8 metroids are on the loose. The metroids will be the assist trophy form, but for this match, they can be harmed.
-Princess Samus!?: Bowser thinks that Samus is another princess. Little does he know... (ZS Samus)

Toad

Spoiler

-The Mushroom Retainer: Bowser's attacking, and Mario's nowhere to be found! Its up to Toad to protect Peach.
-Lost in the crowd: Toad and Yoshi team up to fight a Toad and a Yoshi.

Little Mac

Spoiler

-Donkey Kong, Title Defense: DK wants a rematch against Little Mac.

Pokemon Trainer

Spoiler

-Tactical Trainer: You must battle 3 starter pokemon who can only be harmed by their type's weakness. Use your water type for the fire pokemon, fire for the grass, and Pikachu for the water type. You have 4 Pokemon, you're battling 3 (but 1 at a time) and you decide which pokemon you use by pressing a specific direction on the D-Pad in conjunction with B; however, DownB will cycle through the pokemon in a specific order.

Up Taunt+B will switch to the 3rd form
Right Taunt+B will be the 2nd form, Left Taunt+B will be Pikachu
Down Taunt+B will switch to the 1st form

This idea is unrelated to my multi-gen PT suggestion.

Olimar

Spoiler

-Puny Pikmin: An actual-sized Olimar and Pikmin must fight 3 smashers. Olimar will be under the Poison Mushroom's size effects, but his weight and reach won't be changed--only his size.

Mario

Spoiler

-Metal Mario vs Metal Wario: a 1 on 1 against Mario's metal alter ego. Wario is in his plumber outfit.

-Kings of the hill: Bowser, DeDeDe, and K.Rool are battling to prove their power. Choose one of these three and fight the other 2.
-New Super Mario Bros. 2: Play as Mario, Peach, Luigi, or Toad to fight Bowser. Bowser has been resized to be larger and has a greater flinch resistance (he can still flinch though). Whoever you pick out of these 4, the other 3 will be CPU allies.
-Princess Peril: Play as Mario or Luigi and protect Peach from Bowser and Bowser Jr.
-Sidekick Showdown: Luigi, Diddy, Bowser Jr., and Falco. Pick a fighter and see who will be victorious.
-The revenge: Your least picked character is tired of being left out of the fray, and has teamed up with 2 other neglected fighters. Now, your most played character must fight them
-Team Green: Luigi, Link and K.Rool take on the world.

Peach

Spoiler

-Super Princess Peach: Bowser's kidnapped Mario...again?! Is this gonna be a regular thing?

Captain Falcon

Spoiler

-Collateral Damage: Destroy all the racecars on the F-Zero stage before time runs out.

Some are multi character ideas, and a bit difficult to explain, but that's what I can think of right now. Thoughts?

Let me know what y'all think of this.

EDIT @Kuma:
Thank goodness its the only one.

 

[Big-Cat]

I swear, Pokemon seems to be the only thing that is subject to the absurd representation debate.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Yup. That's Zoroark.

I didn't see this one coming


Dear God! I finally found someone who hates Cloud (Despite the fact I main him in Dissidia).

I'm a hater of Cloud and I main him Dissidia...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm obviously expecting HD resolutions and hoping that SSB4's resolution is either 1080i or 1080p. I would be okay with 720p thought, since visuals aren't that incredibly important to me.

Regarding DLC:
I have high confidence that we will see DLC. It won't necessarily be frequent, but I think once in awhile, we will see a highly requested character that didn't make it into the game plus characters planned but did not make it in time. It might be me being optimistic, but developers shouldn't miss out on an opportunity to gain even more by putting in characters after the game has started.

I doubt they would put the characters in the 3DS version as DLC in the Wii-U version. Sakurai wants to ensure that people buy both versions of the game and make as much off of both versions as possible. If they choose to do that, it's going to hurt the sales of the 3DS version by a lot.

@SamuraiPanda: What about external hard drives? Nintendo at least had the curiosity to add that and it's even better then hard drives; especially considering that they cost less then hand drives. Plus we don't know how much flash memory the Wii-U asked; but I doubt Nintendo is going to heavily compromise DLC this time around.

Version 2 of my Character Roster: Everything here except Samurai Goroh and Ray MK III. I don't think they're anymore unlikely, but I'm keeping my expectations at the lowest I'm willing to go, 44 characters not including transformations. These are IMO, what I think are the 10 most likely newcomers to the game:

10. Saki Amamiya
9. 5th Pokemon Rep {Mewtwo, Lucario, 2nd newcomer, one of Zoroark/Victini}
8. Takamaru
7. King K. Rool
6. Mega Man
5. Ridley
4. 2nd Kid Icarus Rep
3. 5th Mario Rep
2. Little Mac
1. Zoroark/Victini

Honestly, if they had all that with + Brawl characters with only possibly Lucario gone, I would be satisfied.[COLLAPSE="Quotes and Reponses"]

Are you all going to get your Wii U when it first comes out or are you going to waight till smash 4 come's out?

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1175847p1.html

Honestly, Nintendo is releasing the consoles way too early and they won't make nearly as much money. Is the company seriously in need of more money? I say they need to polish the system and push the released date to late 2012, therefore, the system won't be nearly as rushed and we can get a better launch. At least wait until after E3 2012.

At LEAST 50? That's a little generous, doncha think? xD

Well you did include 50 characters into your prediction.

I don't like how Lucas isn't in the Wii-u list

He's not on it because his only game was on the 3DS. If this idea gets implemented, Lucas will probably be relegated to the handheld game. He can still be transferred to the Wii-U version.

Otherwise the Wii U will be as bad of a console as its predecessor turned out to be. Hell, the Wii U is only slightly more powerful (debatable) than the PS3/360 that have been out for 5 years.

Quite frankly, I have no problem with this. To me, I would rate the Wii a 80/100, which is what I call a very good system. That's just me, thought.

Some possible 3rd party Assist Trophies...

What do you think of my suggestion for Protoman? IIRC, I suggested it in my first post yesterday.

Rumors of low memory storage, only 1 Wii U controller per console, high cost, and the return of friend codes doesn't sound too good to me.

Where did you hear the console would be expensive? I highly doubt it'll exceed $400.

A hell freaking lot. I really want Nintendo to work more with the third party companies for Super Smash Bros. game. They have tendency to be bitter on having their own characters appearing in other third party video games (particularly if the game happens to be not in the Nintendo consoles).

To make things shorter, I'll be more likely to buy the next Super Smash Bros. game if one of the following third party characters were to appear as playable characters: Marona (Phantom Brave), Ash (Phantom Brave again), Etna, Flonne, Laharl (Disgaea), Deadpool, Dante (Devil May Cry), Zero (Megaman Zero), Wolverine (X-Men), Cloud (FFVII), Squall (FFVIII), Amaterasu (Ookami), Spiderman, Klonoa, Chris Redfield, Albert Wesker (Resident Evil), Asagi (most of Nippon Ichi games).

Now, will 20-30 additional third party characters be enough here?

Once the game comes around and only three or four third-party characters makes it in, you are going to be incredibly disappointment. I'm not a pessimistic person, but you need to lower your expectations for third-party characters significantly.

I expect at least 6 of them, including Snake and Sonic.

Why six? Even four third-party characters is questionable at best.

Sakurai said a while ago that Takamaru isn't going to be in a Smash game until he is in another game of his own IIRC.

I believe he said if he appeared in a game. Since he did, I think he stands a good chance of getting in.

She's bigger than Ridley.

Medusa is actually the most likely Kid Icarus rep and the most popular. Plus size doesn't matter at all.[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Have you all seen the new pic's of the Wii U?


http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2011/06/14/49714.html

I think we may see dlc, I mean it would give nintendo a chance to explore more opportunite's with super smash bros they could give us more characters that could not be put in to the game when it was in development even level's think of the possibity's!!

Even item's i am hopeful of dlc!

 

[Dark Paladin X]

The problem is not only too large amount of third parties, but the choice of them too. Characters from Disagea? Nintendo devs mentioned that they're trying to make the characters fit into one game. Too many obscure characters that would barely fit into the Smash Bros. game.

Well Disgaea and Phantom Brave is probably more well-known than Earthbound. Then again, I did admit that added too many Capcom characters in the roster.

Tell you what, 35 Nintendo and 15 third party. Will that be more reasonable there?

Okay, instead of trying to throw all my ideas into the next Smash Bros. game. How about we discuss the likelihood of appearing in the next Smash Bros. game. Again, here's the list:

1. Megaman
2. Zero (Megaman)
3. Marona (Phantom Brave)
4. Ash (Phantom Brave)
5. Etna (Disgaea)
6. Flonne (Disgaea)
7. Laharl (Disgaea)
8. Asagi (cameo in most of Nippon Ichi's games)
9. Ryu (Street Fighter)
10. Ken Masters (Street Fighter)
11. Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
12. M. Bison (Street Fighter)
13. Amataerasu (Ookami)
14. Chris Redfield (Resident Evil)
15. Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
16. Cloud (Final Fantasy)
17. Squall (Final Fantasy)
18. Viewtful Joe
19. Dante (Devil May Cry)
20. Felicia (Darkstalkers)
21. Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
22. Tails (Sonic)
23. Knuckles (Sonic)
24. Nathan Spencer (Bionic Commando)
25. Mike Haggar (Final Fight)
26. Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Remember, top means most likely while bottom means least likely.

 

[Shorts]

The pokemon trainer idea is a far cry from reality. I'm a weirdo and it urks me that Bayleef, Blaziken, and Piplup could be on a team. They aren't from the same generation.

I would prefer if we just talked about anything else other than pokemon. Like Kuma said.

@3rd party roster.

Pick 5 reasonable third parties. That's it.

 

[Deleted member]

@Dark Paladin X: The fact is that your expectations are incredibly unrealistic. We will almost certainly only see three or four third-party characters in the next game. Expect anymore and you will end up being disappointed.

The only reasonable third-party choices are Mega Man, Snake, and Sonic. Others are a stretch.

 

[majora_787]

The pokemon trainer idea is a far cry from reality. I'm a weirdo and it urks me that Bayleef, Blaziken, and Piplup could be on a team. They aren't from the same generation.

I would prefer if we just talked about anything else other than pokemon. Like Kuma said.

Well... I may have put 50 on my list, but that's 50 I want to see in the next game. I essentially think that between the two versions we will get 50, 51 characters maximum. o_O

EDIT: I'm sure if you expect 4, you could still be disappointed.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Why is it when people mention Final Fantasy, they automatically jump to the giant ridiculous sword wielders? If there WERE a Final Fantasy third party character... I don't think they'd use those types of characters. Probably something a little more interesting and suiting for Smash, like Freya from 9, or Terra from 6.

Not to say I honestly believe they'll add any final fantasy characters, I really REALLY don't think they will... That'd be kinda stupid to begin with.

 

[Jaklub]

Well Disgaea and Phantom Brave is probably more well-known than Earthbound. Then again, I did admit that added too many Capcom characters in the roster.

Tell you what, 35 Nintendo and 15 third party. Will that be more reasonable there?

Okay, instead of trying to throw all my ideas into the next Smash Bros. game. How about we discuss the likelihood of appearing in the next Smash Bros. game. Again, here's the list:

1. Megaman
2. Zero (Megaman)
3. Marona (Phantom Brave)
4. Ash (Phantom Brave)
5. Etna (Disgaea)
6. Flonne (Disgaea)
7. Laharl (Disgaea)
8. Asagi (cameo in most of Nippon Ichi's games)
9. Ryu (Street Fighter)
10. Ken Masters (Street Fighter)
11. Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
12. M. Bison (Street Fighter)
13. Amataerasu (Ookami)
14. Chris Redfield (Resident Evil)
15. Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
16. Cloud (Final Fantasy)
17. Squall (Final Fantasy)
18. Viewtful Joe
19. Dante (Devil May Cry)
20. Felicia (Darkstalkers)
21. Morrigan (Darkstalkers)
22. Tails (Sonic)
23. Knuckles (Sonic)
24. Nathan Spencer (Bionic Commando)
25. Mike Haggar (Final Fight)
26. Crono (Chrono Trigger)

Remember, top means most likely while bottom means least likely.

Why are Disgaea characters, Phantom Brave characters and Asagi likely? They will NOT appear. This is one thing I'm sure.

Edit: Just noticed I'm misspelling Disgaea name. Fixed that, sorry for incompetence.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Why are Disagea characters, Phantom Brave characters and Asagi likely? They will NOT appear. This is one thing I'm sure.

What wrong with putting Disgaea characters, Phantom Brave characters, and Asagi in?

And if you want more Nintendo characters, I suggest going into more obscure games to fill the roster rather than picking Pokemon and other popular titles (that includes minor playable characters from Fire Emblem).

 

[majora_787]

What I still want to know is, what does Zoroark sound like in the anime? I hope it doesn't sound absolutely abhorrent... r_r Cuz that's how it'll sound in the game, or at least pretty close.

 

[Gamingboy]

It's like this SSB is, ultimately, a NINTENDO game where the VAST majority are NINTENDO characters.

If, one day, they announce "Super Smash Brothers: Nintendo vs. the World" or something, then maybe you might see 20+ third-parties, but today is not that day. And tomorrow isn't that day either.

Sorry.

 

[Shorts]

Well... I may have put 50 on my list, but that's 50 I want to see in the next game. I essentially think that between the two versions we will get 50, 51 characters maximum. o_O

EDIT: I'm sure if you expect 4, you could still be disappointed.

I expect the 3DS version to have 35 TOPS and if the WiiU version has more, than I expect 40 - 50. I have no idea. I alo think that 3rd parties will be jumping at nintendo for their third party characters to be in smash. SO I expect at LEAST 4. Unless Nintendo takes all guest characters out.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

It's like this SSB is, ultimately, a NINTENDO game where the VAST majority are NINTENDO characters.

If, one day, they announce "Super Smash Brothers: Nintendo vs. the World" or something, then maybe you might see 20+ third-parties, but today is not that day. And tomorrow isn't that day either.

Sorry.

I have to agree, I don't understand why there's not more discussion about the ridonkulous amount of Nintendo characters that are available.

 

[Jaklub]

What wrong with putting Disgaea characters, Phantom Brave characters, and Asagi in?

Because they're not only third parties, they're just not well known too. You may be a fan of Disgaea and Phantom Brave, but their characters' appearance in Smash is highly unlikely.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Because they're not only third parties, they're just not well known too. You may be a fan of Disgaea and Phantom Brave, but their characters' appearance in Smash is highly unlikely.

Curses, I really wanted Phantom Brave and Disgaea characters in a fighting game like this. Nippon Ichi is known to do tactical role playing games, but not fighting games (although Disgaea Infinite is a visual novel while Prinny: Can I Really Be the Hero? is a platform game almost similar to Sonic and Mario games).

Okay. how about this:

Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Snake, Ryu, Zero, and Chris Redfield. Good enough?

 

[Gamingboy]

Alright folks. BEHOLD THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE OF NINTENDO-PUBLISHED GAMES AND PRODUCTS!!!! It has hundreds of things released from 1966 to now (I, of course, am angry at the Wikipedia editors who have forgotten about the Hanafuda Cards). From Ultra Hand to the present.

Go crazy and find some good Nintendo-based ideas.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Well, maybe they'll do that unconfirmed-but-rumored-sort-of game "Nintendo vs. Capcom".

That'd be pretty ridiculous, even more so because Smash and Street Fighter/Marvel are so different. It's not like Street Fighter x Tekken or something.

And Nintendo vs. The World would have way too many licensing issues. Maybe if Nintendo and Capcom each did their own version like Nintendo x Capcom and Capcom x Tekken (or Smash x SF and SF x Smash), then each fanbase would get what they want.

 

[Dark Paladin X]

Well, maybe they'll do that unconfirmed-but-rumored-sort-of game "Nintendo vs. Capcom".

That'd be pretty ridiculous, even more so because Smash and Street Fighter/Marvel are so different. It's not like Street Fighter x Tekken or something.

And Nintendo vs. The World would have way too many licensing issues. Maybe if Nintendo and Capcom each did their own version like Nintendo x Capcom and Capcom x Tekken (or Smash x SF and SF x Smash), then each fanbase would get what they want.

Having played MvC3, I can tell you that Capcom's control inputs are more complex than Super Smash Bros (I even have hard performing the Dragon Punch move on the D-stick).

Trust me, throwing a Disgaea character or two (or a Phantom Brave character) will make the said games get more recognition.

 

[Gamingboy]

Another good site (although, again, it is a wiki so double check things when possible) is Nintendo Wiki.

 

[Deleted member]

What I still want to know is, what does Zoroark sound like in the anime? I hope it doesn't sound absolutely abhorrent... r_r Cuz that's how it'll sound in the game, or at least pretty close.

In Black & White, he makes some random screeching noise. That's all I can say for now.

I alo think that 3rd parties will be jumping at nintendo for their third party characters to be in smash. SO I expect at LEAST 4. Unless Nintendo takes all guest characters out.

Why expect four? I don't think third-party support is going to be as big on SSB4 as you think. There are no evidence that anyone beside Capcom, Sega, or Konami is going to be supporting the next game. Expecting four is not a good idea, as much as I like the idea of that.

 

[BirthNote]

Alright folks. BEHOLD THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE OF NINTENDO-PUBLISHED GAMES AND PRODUCTS!!!! It has hundreds of things released from 1966 to now (I, of course, am angry at the Wikipedia editors who have forgotten about the Hanafuda Cards). From Ultra Hand to the present.

Go crazy and find some good Nintendo-based ideas.

That made me remember that Nintendo sold cards before. I know people suggested virtual cards already, and I think it would be great if they replaced stickers and put a creative spin on cards.