New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Berserker.]

Without the GC controller, I can't play Smash bros. well. Lol.

Oh well, I'm prepared for the Wiichuk or some smash controller thing

 

[Sonic Poke]

I'm off for now guys!

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Omega
What would be a good list of villains to you?

Also, any thoughts on the spin offs?

What, a list if villains you say? Well if you're talking about probable characters that have a chance at Smash 4 it would be:

•Ridley
•King K. Rool
•Ghirahim*
•The Black Knight*
•Mewtwo**
•N (Pokemon Trainer)

*//means we might get it, but it depends whethere those franchises will expand upon another rep, more specifically a 5th rep for Zelda or a 3rd rep for Fire Emblem, again they are probable but aren't guaranteed to appear.

**means that it depends whether or not Pokemon decides to expand to either 5 slots or possibly 6, if you ask me though I'd say Mewtwo does hVe a good amount of support according to ChronoBound's information concerning the Japanese website.

Interesting enough, Roy also got a high number of votes as well, considerably more than any others, this also came from ChronoBound.

As for Ridley, yea you might say he is the most deserving and most probable but I fear Sakurai's personal bias might take over once more, hopefully if enough demand happens towards Ridley's inclusion then he will have no choice but to disregard it.

King K.Rool also seems deserving enough, but again, since Sakurai meant Diddy to appear in Brawl, possibly as a duo with Diddy Kong, then I'd say Sakurai might consider her first, but that is not to say he can't include King K.Rool as well, personally I'd like to see all for DK reps, but it all depends on Sakurai.

Spin offs you say? Like what?

 

[y.toonlink]

For me!

Bowser
Ganondorf
Wario
Dedede
Meta Knight
Rockets
Zoroark
Waluigi
Ghirahim
K. Rool
Wolf
Ridley
Black Knight

Oh, thinking about spin-off is no doubt, rubbish!

Zoroark as the Pokemon villain? I thought that was Mewtwo's spot
There should be spots reserved for villains for sure

A spin off with the characters that wouldn't make it due to limited spots in the main series? Am I really the only one who would love this? I mean there would be more room for the characters that wouldn't make it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Zoroark is not a villain at all, just pointing that out.

 

[y.toonlink]

The spin off I mentioned earlier in my ramble :3

Spoiler

Hm that sounds a little unfair, Ice Climbers attack at the same time, but if Luke were to be balanced in a way that could detach him from Layton then it'd be good :3 I'll look into him more

In all honesty though, by the time SSB4 comes out there will be a lot of characters that didn't make the cut that many of us were hoping for. I remember seeing threads for Geno, Skull Kid, a bunch of Pokemon, etc. when Brawl was waiting to be released. Then it came out and everyone was too floaty, but that's just me complaining.
Anyway, I think a spin off would be a great idea for those characters. There's always a lot of character hopefuls from the Mario series, LoZ, Pokemon and Fire Emblem. I say those four series because they would be the four I'd like to see most and through observation seem to have the most character hopefuls.
Mario already has 4 reps in Smash (if you dont count Yoshi and Wario), so Geno and Mallow, although great characters, I don't think would have a spot. Same goes for Skull Kid, Wolf Link w/ Midna or separate, and a long list of popular Pokemon. Fire Emblem, if Roy does make a return, would keep 3 spots at most IMO. Maybe a fourth for a popular character or villain.
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who suggested this, but I'm just trying to be realistic for SSB4.

Speaking of spin offs, Sakurai has to make Melee online. And it wouldn't hurt to give it HD graphics :3

Well look at me rambling at 3 in the morning

How do you make a hidden message btw?
Thanks

 

[OmegaXXII]

The spin off I mentioned earlier in my ramble :3



How do you make a hidden message btw?

Use collapse tags like these:

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Stupid *** nintendo. That was a bad move. Wii with gc support>Wii without gc support.

Haha, you know it would have been way worse if it would have been introduced like this in the first place.

I'm guessing they are following in Sony's movesteps to remove good features which IMO is stupid to do so once you introduce an product.

 

[y.toonlink]

Im not saying it would happen I just wanna know if it's a good idea or really that crappy of an idea. And if so, whats so wrong about it?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm...I do agree with your concept of a Melee Online HD thing, as a matter of fact someone suggested a petition for it LoL., but for the most part I believe we will ultimetly be getting a Wii-U downloadable version of Melee, which will probably be a straight port from GNC.

As for your idea, do you mean spin-offs as in a character should have it's own game?

 

[Luco]

Sorry i responded so late, Omega, i seem to recall you saying you wanted to play Terranigma when we recommended it to you. Hmmm...

Berserker: I guess it'll be no problem for me, i use the wiichuk anyways. I just hope they'll allow wavebouncing for the wiichuk in the next one(easily. I hear it can be done but it's extremely hard and i still can't do it D: )

 

[OmegaXXII]

Sorry i responded so late, Omega, i seem to recall you saying you wanted to play Terranigma when we recommended it to you. Hmmm.. )

LOL..mind elaborating and filling me up on this "Terranigma"? I'm sorry but I forgot about this lol.

 

[Thino]

Melee online HD would take all my money and all my time , real talk

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

For me!

Bowser
Ganondorf
Wario
Dedede
Meta Knight
Rockets
Zoroark
Waluigi
Ghirahim
K. Rool
Wolf
Ridley
Black Knight

Oh, thinking about spin-off is no doubt, rubbish!

Dedede is more of an anti-hero than an actual villain.

Meta Knight may have a rivalry with Kirby, but he's not truly evil either.

No Team Rocket please.

Zoroark may be a Dark-type, but it does not count as being evil, since no Pokemon is evil.

Waluigi will probably stay as an Assist Trophy.

Ghirahim is a freak. Keep him away from the playable spot, which is rather likely.

Everyone else is okay.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Dedede is more of an anti-hero than an actual villain.

Meta Knight may have a rivalry with Kirby, but he's not truly evil either.

No Team Rocket please.

Zoroark may be a Dark-type, but it does not count as being evil, since no Pokemon is evil.

Waluigi will probably stay as an Assist Trophy.

Ghirahim is a freak. Keep him away from the playable spot, which is rather likely.

Everyone else is okay.

I agree with the idea of ​​Dedede, Zoroark and Knight, I just put, because in general, when you think about them, think of something bad ...

Ghirahim a lord is likely that deserves respect, I believe he will be in Sm4sh do not understand their hatred;
Rockets are the main antagonists of the franchise, and it would be crazy not to take them into account;
This Waluigi theory is very clueless, Smash Bros. is a game spin-off, we cannot to deny that!

 

[Artsy Omni]

When I think of Meta Knight, I don't think of something bad. Meta Knight hates evil just as much as Kirby. He's just the unfortunate victim of brain control in many instances, and only fights kirby in other instances because he finds that he isn't worthy to pursue evil and would rather do it alone himself in his own way. So battles against Meta Knight are either a test of strength or a product of mind control.

Ghirahim, as a one-timer Zelda character at this point, isn't all that likely, I don't think. People often bring up Sheik in regards to the possibility of Ghirahim, but Sheik is only in Brawl because she was in Melee, and she was only in Melee because she is a part of the character of Zelda, who is obviously important, given the name of the franchise. XP

Team Rocket... are important, but I dunno if you can justify two pokemon-trainer-like characters. Each character should have a unique twist, and having to PTs is downplays that uniqueness, in my opinion.

Waluigi's chances are questionable, given he's exclusively a spin-off character. SSB is not a "spin-off." It's a crossover game. A spin-off is associated with a singular franchise and branches exclusively from that. Smash Bros is a conglomeration of content from several games, built upon its own premise. To call it a "spin-off" is inaccurate.

 

[Sonic Poke]

When I think of Meta Knight, I don't think of something bad. Meta Knight hates evil just as much as Kirby. He's just the unfortunate victim of brain control in many instances, and only fights kirby in other instances because he finds that he isn't worthy to pursue evil and would rather do it alone himself in his own way. So battles against Meta Knight are either a test of strength or a product of mind control.

Ghirahim, as a one-timer Zelda character at this point, isn't all that likely, I don't think. People often bring up Sheik in regards to the possibility of Ghirahim, but Sheik is only in Brawl because she was in Melee, and she was only in Melee because she is a part of the character of Zelda, who is obviously important, given the name of the franchise. XP

Team Rocket... are important, but I dunno if you can justify two pokemon-trainer-like characters. Each character should have a unique twist, and having to PTs is downplays that uniqueness, in my opinion.

Waluigi's chances are questionable, given he's exclusively a spin-off character. SSB is not a "spin-off." It's a crossover game. A spin-off is associated with a singular franchise and branches exclusively from that. Smash Bros is a conglomeration of content from several games, built upon its own premise. To call it a "spin-off" is inaccurate.

Team Rocket in my opinion is very unique, I made a moveset, take a look:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13129503&postcount=20549

Ah, call smash Spin-off is inaccurate, but it is not wrong ...

 

[Artsy Omni]

inaccurate and wrong are the same thing....

 

[Sonic Poke]

Oh, the Olympic Games Mario and Sonic is a game crossover, and Waluigi is inside, and smash is crossover, it is now indisputable!

 

[Artsy Omni]

It's also a sports game, which makes Waluigi far more suitable.

The fact of the matter is, Waluigi's chances aren't great for Smash Bros because there are other more relevant characters out there to include.

 

[Zzuxon]

Meta-Knight isn't evil, he's like Batman. Geno is also like batman.
Also, Waluigi should be in as a mario spin-off representing mario party/kart/sports. He probably won't be though . Paper Mario Should also be a spinoff, for Mario RPG. Paper mario on the Wii U version, Fawful on the 3DS version.
Also, Zoroark should be a villain. Dark-Type may as well be renamed evil type. It's got attacks like taunt, sucker punch and Nasty Plot, it's not about shadow, it's about evil.

 

[Berserker.]

Meta Knight is an anti hero. In fact, he's more of an ally. He challenges Kirby into a friendly duel. Nothing bad or personal between them
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[Gallowglass]

Meta Knight plays the shady guy that you can't tell if he's friend or foe. Usually if not always Meta Knight turns out to be a friend.

As for evil pokemon I think Mewtwo is consider the most evil of all pokemon. At least that's what his Brawl trophy says.

 

[Opossum]

Random, but for those of you who are part of my Little Mac alliance, I posted a new discussion and would like to here your feedback. The way the question is answered may affect Little Mac's chances in Smash 4. Here is the group. http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2624

I'll ask the same question here: Do you think Little Mac would be considered a Retro character? For reasons for and against this, check out the discussion.

 

[Starphoenix]

As for evil pokemon I think Mewtwo is consider the most evil of all pokemon. At least that's what his Brawl trophy says.

Crystal:A vicious psychic Pokémon created by genetic engineering. its cold, glowing eyes strike fear into its enemy.

Ruby/Sapphire: MEWTWO is a POKéMON that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this POKéMON's body, they failed to endow MEWTWO with a compassionate heart.

Emerald: A POKéMON that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans made its body, they failed to give it a warm heart.

Fire Red: A POKéMON whose genetic code was repeatedly recombined for research. It turned vicious as a result.

Leaf Green: It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene-splicing and DNA-engineering experiments.

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/Black/White: A Pokémon created by recombining MEW's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.

HeartGold: Because its battle abilities were raised to the ultimate level, it thinks only of defeating its foes.

SoulSilver: It usually remains motionless to conserve energy, so that it may unleash its full power in battle.

Supe Smash Bros. Melee: A genetically created Pokémon, Mewtwo is the result of many long years of research by a solitary scientist. Although Mewtwo was cloned from the genes of the legendary Pokémon Mew, its size and character are far different than its ancestor. Its battle abilities have been radically heightened, making it ruthless.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: A Genetic Pokémon. This legendary Pokémon was based on a recombination of Mew's DNA, created by a scientist after years of research. However, Mewtwo greatly differs from Mew in both size and personality and it is said to have the most twisted and savage heart among all Pokemon. Mewtwo has incredibly high combat abilities and uses Psychic- type attacks.

Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silvers' character descriptions were reworded in the games. Listing them a second time did not feel necessary. With these descriptions I think it is safe to say Mewtwo is violent (savage being a synonym for violent) and will attack unprovoked; deeming him "evil".

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex/150.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/150.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/150.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/150.shtml
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Mewtwo

 

[Metal Overlord]

It's also a sports game, which makes Waluigi far more suitable.

What would make him more suitable for a sports game than a fighting game? Both genres are competitive.

Regarding Melee Online HD, when they make Melee available via the Wii U's virtual console, there is a strong chance that the port will include online play. They were seriously considering doing it back in '05 when Sakurai was still deciding over whether he would make another Smash Bros. or not. And some of the 3DS Ambassador titles (the GBA/NES games given to early pre-price cut 3DS adopters as a way of honoring their investment in the product so early) include online play, and Nintendo is looking to strengthen its online and digital presence as another "pillar" for the company (both PSN and XBL include online play in their retro/arcade titles, and Nintendo has stated that their online system will be robust this time around and more like PSN/XBL), so don't be surprised if the Melee port does include online play.

 

[Gallowglass]

Random, but for those of you who are part of my Little Mac alliance, I posted a new discussion and would like to here your feedback. The way the question is answered may affect Little Mac's chances in Smash 4. Here is the group. http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2624

I'll ask the same question here: Do you think Little Mac would be considered a Retro character? For reasons for and against this, check out the discussion.

Woah Little Mac alliance? Sign me up!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I agree with the idea of ​​Dedede, Zoroark and Knight, I just put, because in general, when you think about them, think of something bad ...

Ghirahim a lord is likely that deserves respect, I believe he will be in Sm4sh do not understand their hatred;
Rockets are the main antagonists of the franchise, and it would be crazy not to take them into account;
This Waluigi theory is very clueless, Smash Bros. is a game spin-off, we cannot to deny that!

Ghirahim will most likely be a one time only character, so odds are, he's not joining the fray. Besides, he smells like a bad character the instant I saw his artwork.

I never think of Zoroark as being evil, let alone any kind of Pokemon.

Dedede may have done antagonistic things, but he has also assisted Kirby as well. As a result, he's anti-hero material.

Team Rocket is rather redundant, since the Pokemon Trainer should stay unique.

Waluigi may be a very common spin-off character, but that's all that he's been in. Not even one mainstream title, which easily ruins his odds of fighting.

 

[Gallowglass]

Ganondorf Remix with new moveset is up.

http://www.smashboards.com/news/blogs/165266/4535/ganondorf-remix-new-character-concept-for-ssb4

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

I really haven't been keeping up with this thread (and I don't feel like reading 1928 pages >.<)
but has the possibility of Saki from Sin and punishment as a playable character been discussed? I just finished Sin and punishment earlier today And I gotta say he would be a freaking sweet character to play as <.<
He's got a lot of potential to become a fairly unique character.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Waluigi may be a very common spin-off character, but that's all that he's been in. Not even one mainstream title, which easily ruins his odds of fighting.

I personally don't really care whether Waluigi gets in or not, but with him being such a recurrent character, Luigi's main rival and Wario's partner-in-crime, you could argue that he has relevance in that way, even if it isn't canonically. He also was the main antagonist in another spin-off game. Also, with Mario's spin-off series' being so popular, and Waluigi pretty much always being in every Mario spin-off game since his debut, he is well-known, as well. Smash is a celebration of Nintendo's history, and the Mario spin-off games are a big part of it, so if Waluigi is supposed to represent that sub-series as a whole, you could argue that he is "deserving" enough to get in that way.

The most valid argument against Waluigi is that all this still may not be enough to warrant a spot on the roster for him, or being more than an Assist Trophy, in Sakurai's eyes. But, I don't think that arguing that Waluigi being a spin-off character is the main deterrent of him being a playable character in Smash 4 is a particularly valid argument.

 

[Starphoenix]

I really haven't been keeping up with this thread (and I don't feel like reading 1928 pages >.<)
but has the possibility of Saki from Sin and punishment as a playable character been discussed? I just finished Sin and punishment earlier today And I gotta say he would be a freaking sweet character to play as <.<
He's got a lot of potential to become a fairly unique character.

Saki has been discussed quite often. Recently I purchased and completed both titles in the Sin and Punishment series as well, though I preferred the Star Successor for the Wii as it was more entertaining with the flight mechanic.

I am surprised no one commented on the Mewtwo description's I posted a page back?

 

[Gallowglass]

What's with people wanting Nintendo's most annoying characters?

Waluigi
Tingle
Slippy

I'm surprised nobody has wanted Navi yet.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ganondorf Remix with new moveset is up.

http://www.smashboards.com/news/blogs/165266/4535/ganondorf-remix-new-character-concept-for-ssb4

I don't like the idea of Ganondorf being slower. Bowser being slow is one thing, but a guy that's either lean and muscular or stocky being that slow seems so odd. Specials are ok, but not all that amazing either.

I've suggested localized shockwaves for Krystal and Kumatora, but how about the shockwave move from OOT where it's an expanding shockwave? And make his Up B his floating like Pit, and R.O.B.

Also, I think his old Side B should stay. It's a popular move and it's very Ganondorf.

 

[Metal Overlord]

What's with people wanting Nintendo's most annoying characters?

Waluigi
Tingle
Slippy

I'm surprised nobody has wanted Navi yet.

In every fighting game, there's always gonna be a couple of characters that everyone hates. Smash Bros isn't an exception to that. And back to the fighting game aspect of Smash, people forget that this is a FIGHTING game. You know, where you're supposed to beat up your opponents. If you encounter a character that you just absolutely hate, just beat the **** out of them! I personally find it more enjoyable to beat up the characters I hate than ones I like (as with most people). I mean, we always talk about how we're gonna "dominate" every person we see online, why don't we just apply this thinking to the playable characters?

 

[Oasis_S]

Saki has been discussed quite often. Recently I purchased and completed both titles in the Sin and Punishment series as well, though I preferred the Star Successor for the Wii as it was more entertaining with the flight mechanic.

I am surprised no one commented on the Mewtwo description's I posted a page back?

We already knew Mewtwo was awesome, you silly.

Also, you believe Saki instead of Isa would get in, right? What was your reasoning for that again? :I

Sakurai just seemed to like him more? I WANT TO BELIEVE SAKI AND ISAAC RATHER THAN ISA AND MATTHEW WILL BE IN SM4SH.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

We already knew Mewtwo was awesome, you silly.

Also, you believe Saki instead of Isa would get in, right? What was your reasoning for that again? :I

Sakurai just seemed to like him more? I WANT TO BELIEVE SAKI AND ISAAC RATHER THAN ISA AND MATTHEW WILL BE IN SM4SH.

Yeah it's probably more likely that isa is getting in due to the fact that Sin and punishment 2 just recently came out...
He'd also be able to do more stuff like shoot a charge shot and hover...
however who knows what will happen. It'd just be sick to have a SaP character get in to ssb4 as a playable character.

And yeah I'd rather Issac get in as well but Matthew is cool too.

 

[Starphoenix]

We already knew Mewtwo was awesome, you silly.

My purpose was to list some factual information about Mewtwo's character as that is what was in discussion at that time.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You know what would be funny? If Sakurai did a poll, and the votes were so torn between Isaac and Matthew that it appeared only a few people wanted them in the game. So they end up as assist trophies

 

[Deleted member]

I probably should at this rate drop PCAM. As of right now, it looks as what we do will be a waste to time and I don't want to leave fans bitter about said character in PCAM not getting in. I will continue to actively push for Victini's inclusion as hard as I can since he is my most supported character, but with school coming up, I don't think I'll have time to look over so many alliances.

In all honesty, if it weren't for Star, would anyone be requesting him? I mean, he's a good choice, but I'm curious how popular he really is in the US? Does he compare to Sonic and Snake? Does he overpower Black Mage in terms of "Starpower"?

Yes. There are a few supporters out on GameFAQs who wants to see him in SSB4.

spin off with the characters that wouldn't make it due to limited spots in the main series? Am I really the only one who would love this? I mean there would be more room for the characters that wouldn't make it.

I would love a Pokemon spin-off, but that's pretty much it for me.

Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silvers' character descriptions were reworded in the games. Listing them a second time did not feel necessary. With these descriptions I think it is safe to say Mewtwo is violent (savage being a synonym for violent) and will attack unprovoked; deeming him "evil".

I agree that he is technically an "evil" Pokemon.

 

[Opossum]

D:

Wow, never thought PCAM would be dropped. It really saddens me. Seriously. The idea of you guysw joining together to push for character inclusion was great.