New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai never responded to my Tweet.

We can talk about that.

You never responded to my tweets, phone calls, instagram pictures, text messages, IMs, chat room messages, yahoo blog messages, web cam party requests, facebook walla posts, and, most importantly, my MySpace messages!

Spoiler

(not a stalker at all)

Also, this was worth mentioning.

 

[Starphoenix]

Did you share the content of your tweet with us?

I don't remember. I do a lot of weird things when I'm deprived of sleep.

I just sent him a Tweet asking him for a stage, and included a Youtube clip. My thought process was as long as I can plant a seed, I'm good.

 

[Shorts]

My tweet would be very fanboy. So, I shouldnt bother.

Also, pretty colors.

 

[Johnknight1]

shortie, that .gif has "seizure" warnings written all over it!

 

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Also, this was worth mentioning.

Sonic for Hire. Yes.

I don't remember. I do a lot of weird things when I'm deprived of sleep.

I just sent him a Tweet asking him for a stage, and included a Youtube clip. My thought process was as long as I can plant a seed, I'm good.

You'd be one of the last people I'd expect to do one of those asking tweets.

BTW what stage was it?

 

[Starphoenix]

You'd be one of the last people I'd expect to do one of those asking tweets.

BTW what stage was it?

It was a sleep deprived, spur of the moment sort of deal. It's not going to change anything, but my sleepy little head didn't care I only wanted to speak my mind... Brilliant... *rolls eyes*

A Star Successor stage.

 

[Oasis_S]

Don't feel bad, we're all hopeless fans here. *PATBACK*

 

[Johnknight1]

[COLLAPSE="If you don't want Ridley in Smash..."]

[/COLLAPSE]

Sonic for Hire. Yes.

I love that series. Freaking love that Mother Brain/Sonic weird freak of nature baby and Tails! As for that episode, that has got to be one of the best in the entire series.

 

[Starphoenix]

Ridley has never been that big of a deal for me. Most of the characters I really wanted were added with Brawl, the only one I missed out on was Megaman, and that's surprisingly all. Now, however, the only character I find myself really wanting is Mewtwo, and a part of that is because I don't think he should have been cut to begin with. Outside of him I'm not sure if there really are any characters that I desire to the same degree as I did with Wolf, Olimar, Metaknight, Diddy Kong, etc. Perhaps it has more to do with maturity and less with the characters, but either way I'm not sure.

Truly the only new character I can really say I am excited for is Saki Amamiya. He's the only one I really want that has a good chance. King K. Rool is probably second, but my support for him tends to wane at points. Krom has grown on me a lot, but I'm still unsure of what will happen with him in the end. My support for Megaman has declined lately, and it isn't really because I like him less, rather he has just become a stale topic of discussion. Plus I am still not even positive we will be seeing guest characters in the next game.

 

[Oasis_S]

Saki with a Brad inspired red palette swap. Probably the one I'll use all the time.

I love white and red.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ridley has never been that big of a deal for me.

If you feel this way, wai u no play Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, or Metroid Prime=??? He's also easily got the best Nintendo protagonist to antagonist rivalry and storyline with Samus (and killing her parents and all). He's also an all-around BAMF, a genius, and he has a gagillion forms and moves.

Most of the characters I really wanted were added with Brawl, the only one I missed out on was Megaman, and that's surprisingly all.

Mega Man, Mewtwo, and Ridley were the only characters that weren't in Brawl I was looking forward to (and kinda Roy). The only other characters I find myself as nearly hyped for as those characters are King K. Rool and Dixie Kong, because I love me some classic Donkey Kong Country!
Edit: MOTHER OF GOD!!! This needs to be in smash!

 

[Deleted member]

Obi-Wan Darth Vader for Smash.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Fossil Fighters? What is that, probably some lame failed IP th-

YO GET THIS IN MY SMASH

Whether it looks cool or not, the designers made some horrible choices in areas such as plot, UI, gameplay...

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I don't know about you guys but the announcement of Assassins Creed 3 on Wii U has me really pushing for....

Any one of these three BAMFS....

It doesn't matter if it's Altair, Ezio, or Connor; as long as it's one of them. I can definitely see one being a surprise 3rd party guest at the end of the debut trailer.

Thoughts on a Assassins Creed appearance in SSB4?

 

[Shorts]

One of them can become the "Unfitting" addition, since Snake won't be back.

 

[Deucalion]

One of them can become the "Unfitting" addition, since Snake won't be back.

That's fairly decent call; I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Solid Snake just seemed way out of place, not because of his 3rd party status, but for the fact that his franchise consists of several M rated titles.

Frankly, M rated materials and Smash Bros. just don't mix by my perspective.

 

[Deucalion]

Some of the stuff in Fire Emblem is worse than anything from Metal Gear Solid (particularly looking at you, FE4 and FE5), but otherwise, yeah. Snake did always seem a little... off.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Not only that, but let's not forget that Spongebob is making kids gay too.

I die a little inside everytime someone mentions Spongebob

Solid Snake just seemed way out of place, not because of his 3rd party status, but for the fact that his franchise consists of several M rated titles.

Frankly, M rated materials and Smash Bros. just don't mix by my perspective.

Well, that's sort of the point, he doesn't really fit in the series in a way you'd think

The fact that he's there alongside these pink puffballs, plumbers, anthropomorphic foxes, swordsmen, etc. makes him sort of like the fish out of water of the roster, so that gives him a place in the series. So in a paradoxical kind of way, he does fit in Smash (well, as long as he's the only one like that)

It's like with Stryker in Mortal Kombat, most Mortal Kombat characters have superpowers or have fantasy elements to them. Stryker is just a normal police officer, and he's the only completely normal character out of all of them, so he fits because he's the only relatable character; he's just a completely normal person thrown into completely abnormal situations

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Some of the stuff in Fire Emblem is worse than anything from Metal Gear Solid (particularly looking at you, FE4 and FE5), but otherwise, yeah. Snake did always seem a little... off.

But I think that was the beauty of it all. It was like the "WTF Snake" response. However, it was meant to get people excited and stoked about the new game and it did that and more. Snakes announcement for Brawl was, if not the most, well received but criticized guest character in any crossover fighting game in my opinion. Yes, Link is Soul Caliber II and the Star Wars frat in IV was awesome and up there...but Snake was just from waaaay out in left field and ended up being really well received.

Sakurai might try to go from that angle again and see if it works. If he does, I am willing to point a small sum of money on one of the main characters from Assassins Creed since they have all been in at least one Nintendo adaptation (Nintendo DS mostly). In fact, I would say it is entirely conceivable to have one of them appear in a Smash Bros. game. Not guaranteed but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

An Assassins Creed character would actually be the first non-Japanese created character in a Smash Bros. game. And for the record, the series is pretty popular in Japan. I have seen it for sale in stores, Assassins Creed III was well received, and I have met a few people who love the games. Though Infamous is actually much more popular from what I can tell.

Screw it. I am now backing Altair/Ezio/Connor for SSB4. They are too epic to pass up.

 

[Deucalion]

An Assassins Creed character would actually be the first non-Japanese created character in a Smash Bros. game. And for the record, the series is pretty popular in Japan. I have seen it for sale in stores, Assassins Creed III was well received, and I have met a few people who love the games. Though Infamous is actually much more popular from what I can tell.

Actually, the first non-Japanese created character would be Diddy Kong.

 

[Metal Overlord]

"More popular"? Infamous only had 2 games lol

Yeah, but the reason I picked a small number is because it forced to me to pick really carefully who I thought was important. This is what my roster looks like at 55:

I imagine Toad as an alternate costume for Mario following the precedent set by NSMB, Rosalina and Daisy as alts for Peach, the Koopalings as alts for Bowser Jr., Lucas and Ninten as alts for Ness, Demise as an alt for Ganondorf, Matthew and Felix as alts for Isaac, Dark Samus and SA-X for Samus, Isa as an alt for Saki, then Alm, Celice, Lead, Roy, Lyn and Eirika (all the lightweight Lords) as alts for Marth, then Sigurd, Eliwood, Hector, Ephraim and Ike (all the heavyweight Lords) as alts for Krom, plus a fair few others I've forgotten.

I think the only ones I'm missing people often demand are Dixie Kong, who just didn't make the cut, Lucario, same, Roy, who is in, but only as an alt.

Entirely different characters shouldn't be alts for others. It's just a slap in the face for those who might have actually wanted those characters.

Aside from that and Lucario, Ike and Lucas getting cut, though, I like it a lot actually. Simon Belmont would be a nice choice for a 3rd party character. Could definitely live with it. I give it a... 7.5/10

 

[Deucalion]

Entirely different characters shouldn't be alts for others. It's just a slap in the face for those who might have actually wanted those characters.

Aside from that, Kanto Pokemon Trainer getting replaced, and Lucario, Ike and Lucas getting cut, though, I like it a lot actually. Simon Belmont would be a nice choice for a 3rd party character. Could definitely live with it. I give it a... 7.5/10

Kanto Trainer's still there, down the bottom!

I disagree, I think entirely different characters can be alted in. For example, I know Sigurd will never, ever be playable. However, he's heavyweight Lord who specialises in swords. As a Fire Emblem unit, he's markedly similar to Roy, Ike, Krom (well, he's mounted, but aside from that). You could quite easily just have Sigurd as an alternate skin for Krom, and it would work perfectly fine; and it means Sigurd is, in some form, playable. It's like clones, only even more clonier; but if it gets more characters into the game with very little effort (literally just a different skin, possibly a second voice actor), then I am perfectly happy with that.

There's a precedent for lots of the ones I mentioned. Toad literally has been an alt for Mario in the NSMB series - there's a massive precedent there. Similarly, Ganondorf is just the embodiment of Demise's hatred, and SA-X is just a slightly genetically corrupted version of Samus. None of these characters are so vastly far apart they can't, for the moment, be alts. Obviously in the future it's great if they're separate and given unique movesets, but hey. Beggars can't be choosers.

For the record; Lucas would be an alt of Ness and Ike an alt of Krom. Lucario just plain missed out, sadly. He's not really similar enough to any other characters to work as an alt, and he just didn't really seem worth keeping.

EDIT: The borderline characters were Captain Syrup, Toon Link, Medusa and Krystal. I could be persuaded to remove one of them in favour of someone else; I threw that list together quite quickly.

EDIT2: Woah, realised I had a massive brain melt-down anyway, that's 53 characters, not 55. Chuck in Dixie Kong and Toad or something like that then.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Kanto Trainer's still there, down the bottom!

I disagree, I think entirely different characters can be alted in. For example, I know Sigurd will never, ever be playable. However, he's heavyweight Lord who specialises in swords. As a Fire Emblem unit, he's markedly similar to Roy, Ike, Krom (well, he's mounted, but aside from that). You could quite easily just have Sigurd as an alternate skin for Krom, and it would work perfectly fine; and it means Sigurd is, in some form, playable. It's like clones, only even more clonier; but if it gets more characters into the game with very little effort (literally just a different skin, possibly a second voice actor), then I am perfectly happy with that.

There's a precedent for lots of the ones I mentioned. Toad literally has been an alt for Mario in the NSMB series - there's a massive precedent there. Similarly, Ganondorf is just the embodiment of Demise's hatred, and SA-X is just a slightly genetically corrupted version of Samus. None of these characters are so vastly far apart they can't, for the moment, be alts. Obviously in the future it's great if they're separate and given unique movesets, but hey. Beggars can't be choosers.

For the record; Lucas would be an alt of Ness and Ike an alt of Krom. Lucario just plain missed out, sadly. He's not really similar enough to any other characters to work as an alt, and he just didn't really seem worth keeping.

LOL my bad sad thing is I actually even noticed him there at first

Yeah, though, I think that characters like that would just be better as trophies or DLC characters if we ever get those

And I think Lucas and Ike shouldn't be downgraded from characters to alts. They have similarities to the characters they're an alt skin of, but they have more than enough differences to where I think it would be better to just cut them altogether rather than insult the people who actually liked playing as them

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Actually, the first non-Japanese created character would be Diddy Kong.

Agh ****. Totally forgot （ーー；）

"More popular"? Infamous only had 2 games lol

My Japanese gamer friend said that Infamous' success in Japan is partially due to Prison Break which has also become immensely popular.

I don't know the exact sales numbers though.

 

[Propeller Toad]

Solid Snake just seemed way out of place, not because of his 3rd party status, but for the fact that his franchise consists of several M rated titles.

Frankly, M rated materials and Smash Bros. just don't mix by my perspective.

I'd have to agree with you on this point. At first, I wasn't really to keen on Snake's appearance in Brawl with his weapons and as well as his physical appearance (personally he stood out to me). Smash Bros. was always a much light, happy Nintendo game full of Nintendo All-Stars, so of course Snake would be an odd choice for a character. Even Sonic seemed to fit in better with the Brawl cast than he did. Not saying that Snake is a bad character, but he just didn't fit in with the rest.

Of course, there also comes the question of whether or not we'll be seeing Snake in the next Smash Bros. (could his appearance in Playstation All Stars affect his chances in SSB4?).

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Propeller Toad- See the post directly below the one you just replied to

 

[Propeller Toad]

@Propeller Toad- See the post directly below the one you just replied to

You are correct in that aspect as I won't deny it. However, I was just mentioning my thoughts about Snake when I first saw him revealed for Brawl. He just seemed generally different in comparison to the past characters we had in the game. Of course, as a different series based character it makes sense.

Granted, you are right in that puffballs, plumbers, anthropomorphic animals share no similarity whatsoever; however, Snake just was different at first with his fighting style and appearance initially. I warmed up to him later; however, at first it was a bit odd to accept the very first 3rd party character into Smash Bros..

 

[Starphoenix]

If you feel this way, wai u no play Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, or Metroid Prime=??? He's also easily got the best Nintendo protagonist to antagonist rivalry and storyline with Samus (and killing her parents and all). He's also an all-around BAMF, a genius, and he has a gagillion forms and moves.

Um, I have played those games. I just don't feel Ridley is as good of a character or choice as many people make him out to be, even though I have played every Metroid title to date.

 

[Deucalion]

And I think Lucas and Ike shouldn't be downgraded from characters to alts. They have similarities to the characters they're an alt skin of, but they have more than enough differences to where I think it would be better to just cut them altogether rather than insult the people who actually liked playing as them

Well, they're definitely not making my 55, so if they're not alts, they're assist trophies. Personally, I'd be happier having a character playable, even if only as an alt, rather than non-playable, but hey ho.

This time, unlike the one above, I've really sat down and spent some time thinking about this one. If you're even more curious to my mind-set, the following is a list of the characters I feel are most deserving, numbered in order, so that if the roster is 44 characters, the characters 1 through 44 are included, if the roster is 50 character, 1 through 50 are included, etc. Doesn't include guest characters, or retro characters, as they obey slightly different rules to my mind.

1. Mario
2. Pikachu
3. Link
4. Kirby
5. Samus
6. Donkey Kong
7. Fox
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness
10. Marth
11. Olimar
12. Luigi
13. Yoshi
14. Jigglypuff
15. Bowser
16. Zoroark
17. Ganondorf
18. King Dedede
19. Ridley
20. Wolf
21. Peach
22. Zelda
23. Diddy Kong
24. Wario
25. Mii
26. Pit
27. Ray
28. Isaac
29. Saki
30. Starfy
31. Little Mac
32. Bowser Jr.
33. Pokemon Trainer (Unova)
34. Krom
35. Palutena
36. Game & Watch
37. Toad //(You've actually convinced me for my 44 roster that Toad is more important for inclusion than Toon Link, so I've shifted Toad above Toon Link)
38. Pokemon Trainer (Kanto)
39. Toon Link
40. King K. Rool
41. Krystal
42. Samurai Goroh
43. Captain Syrup
44. Medusa
45. Mewtwo
46. Paper Mario
47. Vaati
48. Dixie Kong
49. Black Shadow
50. Lucas
51. Ike

After this point, the choices become rather more obscure. Lucario, Waluigi, Kat and Ana, Mona, various one-off Fire Emblem Lords, various one-off Zelda villains, the more notable Pokemon, Wart or Hammer Bro. or something strange like that, etc. Not really worth following. Ike is the last, to my mind, even remotely serious contender, and he's on the very outskirts.

 

[Baskerville]

Next Smash Bros. in “first step of the process”, Sakurai worried about long wait

 

[JPW]

I find Lucas to be much better fit for me than Ness. There are a few notable differences too.

Also i wouldn't rate them that low. I think they have a much better chance of showing up then half the characters on your list.

for example i would never say Starfy is more deserving than Ike or Lucas. Especially whenever i am Ike and Starfy assist pops up I just F-smash it with Ike and already he's gone.

 

[Deucalion]

I find it more important that new franchises are represented than older franchises get extra characters, for the most part. Fire Emblem already has Marth at that point. You could make an argument for Krom being more deserving, but either way, before Ike you still have two more deserving Fire Emblem characters, Marth and Krom. Starfy definitely deserves at least one character more than Fire Emblem deserves a third character. Opportunity cost.

 

[Starphoenix]

I find it more important that new franchises are represented than older franchises get extra characters, for the most part. Fire Emblem already has Marth at that point. You could make an argument for Krom being more deserving, but either way, before Ike you still have two more deserving Fire Emblem characters, Marth and Krom. Starfy definitely deserves at least one character more than Fire Emblem deserves a third character. Opportunity cost.

New=Better?

Not sure I agree with that.

 

[JPW]

okay yes I can see Marth and Krom being more deserving these days.

But i wouldn't so far down the list. Then again maybe that's me playing favouritism. He is my no.3.

But if they do introduce it sounds like he'll be a clone of Ike. And Clones are kind of less deserving aren't they?

You said so with Lucas right.

Starfy sux. also. His game was a flop. Only Japan cares about Starfy. I could own Starfy in a second.

 

[Deucalion]

New=Better?

Not sure I agree with that.

When I say "new", in that context I didn't mean new as in released recently, I meant new as in new to the Smash franchise. I would say "new to Smash" is, for the most part, better, though. I'd rather have representatives from Starfy, Custom Robo, Sin & Punishment and Golden Sun than I would a 4th Star Fox character or a 5th Pokemon character or a 3rd Fire Emblem character.

 

[JPW]

why should i be taking this guy seriously? he's basically just making stuff up on his own. i'll drop my criticism however i'll just say in my view your list leads much to be debateable.

 

[Starphoenix]

When I say "new", in that context I didn't mean new as in released recently, I meant new as in new to the Smash franchise. I would say "new to Smash" is, for the most part, better, though. I'd rather have representatives from Starfy, Custom Robo, Sin & Punishment and Golden Sun than I would a 4th Star Fox character or a 5th Pokemon character or a 3rd Fire Emblem character.

Even in terms of Super Smash Bros I'd say that new does not always mean better. Sakurai has never been one to add a bunch of new series in each game. We can infer from comments he has made that, beyond Pikmin and Animal Crossing, he does not even consider any of the other series as being on the same level as the two former. Adding a bunch of new series for the heck of it is not the right or logical route to take.

The positive thing is it isn't about series, but characters. The bad news is even when comparing characters there are plenty of other Nintendo characters that easily outweigh the "AT Crew" outside of a select few.

 

[BKupa666]

The 'please be patient' quip isn't news, although it seems GameFAQs is treating it as such. It was tossed around pre-E3 by those who believed we would not get a trailer as supporting evidence.

 

[JPW]

if Sakurai was judging it by series then how the hell did someone like R.O.B. make it or Ice Climbers.... or even Pit. Most of these characters would of had no chance of joining the roster if it was based on series. As most most of these series died out 20 years ago.

Remember also Pit got a massive reincarnation Before Brawl this is what Pit looked like:

When they remade Pit. He looked a thousand times better and amazingly this actually reopened the fanbase.