New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

Metroid getting a fourth rep? Goddamn lol

 

[SmashChu]

Chu said he was second-party even though that didn't make much sense to me. Since Treasure is third-party and Nintendo is obviously first-party. Would being co-owned really make him meet in the middle of those two as a second-party character? IS THAT HOW THIS WORKS?

I know it was kind of co-created, but I thought it belonged to Nintendo? I mean, they had to ask if they were allowed to make another, didn't they? Or am I framing that the wrong way.

Second party is just that Nintendo publishes a game that someone else made. There are probably some agreements and Nintendo may share rights.

The reason i think they usually don't appear as playable characters is to make sure the characters appear in future games. With first party characters, Nintendo has control of the rights. If someone else made the game, than it's first party if Nintendo owns them. That is why I emphasize Xenoblade as Nintendo owns Monolith. It's easier to make sure they keep coming back since Nintendo has full control over them. It is probably also why they didn't use much from Rare (Nintendo only owned 49% of Rare which is why Microsoft got them so easily).

 

[Deleted member]

Technically it's a 5th.
Despite being tagged onto Samus, Zero Suit counts as a character due to Word of God. (That's a TV Trope for those who are unaware. It means that the creator (in this case, Sakurai) states this as fact.)

 

[wildvine47]

Metroid getting a fourth rep? Goddamn lol

Notice I said IF.

I really don't expect more than 2, maybe three Metroid reps. Samus, Ridley, maybe Dark Samus.

Again, the roster I posted was a DREAM ROSTER. In no way am I saying it's meant to be realistic. Kid Icarus has four reps on it for ****s sake. It's not meant to be 100% accurate or my prediction or anything haha

 

[Deleted member]

Could you guys imagine the rage that would happen if Reggie Fils-Aime was a secret character in Smash?
Or at the very least, instead of a custom Mii, you play as a Reggie Mii.
Like this:

 

[JavaCroc]

In a perfect world, I'd have Dark Samus in SSB4. But Prime is dead.

The only new Metroid character we need is Ridley. ZSS should count as her own character.

*feels useless again and disappears*

EDIT: Reggie Fils-Aime for SSB4. He'd take names and kick ***.

*really disappears*

 

[Metal Overlord]

Ah ok I see now wildvine

I suggested Sakurai as a playable character before lol

JAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Metal Mania1321]

Don't worry wildvine, we're just messing with ya.

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I think...

 

[Oasis_S]

Second party is just that Nintendo publishes a game that someone else made. There are probably some agreements and Nintendo may share rights.

The reason i think they usually don't appear as playable characters is to make sure the characters appear in future games. With first party characters, Nintendo has control of the rights. If someone else made the game, than it's first party if Nintendo owns them. That is why I emphasize Xenoblade as Nintendo owns Monolith. It's easier to make sure they keep coming back since Nintendo has full control over them. It is probably also why they didn't use much from Rare (Nintendo only owned 49% of Rare which is why Microsoft got them so easily).

Nintendo did more than publish it though. Wasn't the basic concept Nintendo's idea, but they asked Treasure to make it? Since Treasure makes shooters and are always doing work for other companies. I think a branch of Nintendo itself helped in the development.

 

[Starphoenix]

Hey wait, why would Star list Saki if he was doing first-party FELLERS.

Aside from Saki just being one cool dude.

As I explained earlier, out of all of the second party characters the only one that appeared to garner any interest from Sakurai was Saki. He mentioned how he was a popular request, how he looked cool and looked like he could be a playable character. My thought process is that if Saki Amamiya got a lot of requests before Brawl when he was relatively obscure, how much more is he going to have now with greater exposure and less competition? There is still a lot of steam left for this character where as others I see going down. Add into the fact that the sequel gives Sakurai more content pull from, I see more upside for Saki.

Plus Kid Icarus: Uprising looks like a Sin and Punishment game, and the blade weapons function similarly to Saki's blade. Saki on the brain perhaps. :o

 

[Metal Overlord]

I was just wondering what happened to you earlier today, Java

You and Hex hands down had some of the best ideas for Smash that I've ever seen

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Chu said he was second-party even though that didn't make much sense to me. Since Treasure is third-party and Nintendo is obviously first-party. Would being co-owned really make him meet in the middle of those two as a second-party character? IS THAT HOW THIS WORKS?

I know it was kind of co-created, but I thought it belonged to Nintendo? I mean, they had to ask if they were allowed to make another, didn't they? Or am I framing that the wrong way.

So, he's in the same boat as Geno?

 

[Metal Mania1321]

I was just wondering what happened to you earlier today, Java

You and Hex hands down had some of the best ideas for Smash that I've ever seen

Wouldn't mind hearing some of his ideas.
Javaaaaaa???

 

[Oasis_S]

So, he's in the same boat as Geno?

If you compare boats, Saki would be in a yacht, and Geno would be drifting around in the ocean on a piece of wood. Probably his leg.

 

[SmashChu]

Nintendo did more than publish it though. Wasn't the basic concept Nintendo's idea, but they asked Treasure to make it? Since Treasure makes shooters and are always doing work for other companies. I think a branch of Nintendo itself helped in the development.

Truth be told, I don't know how the game was developed. I just know Nintendo has no control over Treasure. They are an independent company.

 

[Oasis_S]

THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW.

YOU. DON'T. KNOW.

caps.

 

[Deleted member]

Treasure worked on Wario World.
Clearly they own Wario.

But on a serious note, if this Acid Ghost thing is real, should the ghost itself be playable in Smash or an Assist? I think Assist would be best, going off what I'm hearing about this game.

 

[augustoflores]

you know what's neat? Nintendo fully owns Geist.

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=322

 

[Starphoenix]

Treasure worked on Wario World.
Clearly they own Wario.

But on a serious note, if this Acid Ghost thing is real, should the ghost itself be playable in Smash or an Assist? I think Assist would be best, going off what I'm hearing about this game.

Hat to break it to you, but the Acid Ghost thing was debunked.

 

[Oasis_S]

Hat to break it to you, but the Acid Ghost thing was debunked.

You left him...

Hat broken.

 

[---]

you know what's neat? Nintendo fully owns Geist.

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=322

Well that gets my hopes up for a sequel. The game had a lot of potential, I think it would work great on either the 3DS or Wii U.

 

[Deleted member]

Meh, didn't really care.
So how was this one debunked?

 

[augustoflores]

**** << lol his name got censored... it's basically **** van ****... the last word...: Yea, but it was always to be stylized in a Nintendo gritty way, which was what we were shooting for. Not photo realistic like it was done 100 percent on film... It was always some kind of Nintendo look.

Newman: Yea, brighter colors, brighter environments, and that type of thing.

gotta love that nintendo look...

 

[Deleted member]

Well, since Geist is owned by Nintendo, Jakor should put John Raimi in the Other section rather than the 3rd Party section on his Roster Maker.

 

[Starphoenix]

Meh, didn't really care.
So how was this one debunked?

Person leaked a second of "information" that included supposed concept art. Turns out the "concept art" was taken from an artists DeviantArt page.

 

[Hoots]

If you compare boats, Saki would be in a yacht, and Geno would be drifting around in the ocean on a piece of wood. Probably his leg.

Poor Geno.

Also, Nsider2's Smash Bros board is being shut down. Let's pray to Odin, Cthulhu, AND The Grand Architect that those 12 year old trolls don't flood this board and if they do, the mods start applying the BanHammer liberally.

 

[augustoflores]

you're scaring me, hoots.

 

[Starphoenix]

Poor Geno.

Also, Nsider2's Smash Bros board is being shut down. Let's pray to Odin, Cthulhu, AND The Grand Architect that those 12 year old trolls don't flood this board and if they do, the mods start applying the BanHammer liberally.

I'm already aware of several people I'm hoping do not make their way here... >_>

Oh, and for those curious Killer Chris was banned on Nsider. However, I think he just created an alt. :\

 

[Deleted member]

Person leaked a second of "information" that included supposed concept art. Turns out the "concept art" was taken from an artists DeviantArt page.

What an idiot.
If you're going to make up something, don't have the images so easily accessable!

That is hilarious.

 

[augustoflores]

oh and for those too lazy to read the interview, this is the tl;dr of it:

Q: You told me last time I was here that Nintendo now is the sole owner of the Geist franchise. Does this mean that n-Space now no longer has any legal control of the franchise?
Newman: Yes, Geist is now a Nintendo franchise.

BAM! No i don't knows like a certain knight of silicon i know of.

 

[N3ON]

you know what's neat? Nintendo fully owns Geist.

http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=322

I don't often say this, but I hope Miyamoto doesn't have as much input if a sequel is ever made. He tried to change the focus of Geist from action and shooting to puzzling and scaring. Those are fine in moderation, but it wasn't the point of Geist. Well I guess scaring sort of was, but it was more possession than scaring.

Anyway, Raimi would make an awesome AT. Unlikely though, Geist never came out in Japan.

 

[Dittolicous]

Not much to say... saw others, decided to give it a try.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel that if we need a character from a horror game, it should be Alexandra Roivas from Eternal Darkness.

 

[augustoflores]

it wasn't just Miyamoto-san, it was also Tanabe-san, Shikata-san, Goto-san, and Konno-san.

yes on Roivas!

 

[---]

I thought Geist was fine in concept, but there does need to be some improvements: Better graphics, less linear gameplay, improved shooting sections, maybe better controls too IMO.

John Rami I can see easily as an AT. Could come out an possess opponents (make them controlled by a CPU?) or other items.

I still have yet to play Eternal Darkness, so forgive me if it seems that I have a little bias.

 

[Deleted member]

My God, I just saw this: http://evilwaluigi.deviantart.com/gallery/28186409?offset=0#/d4ppypl
And now I frigging want Eggman in Smash even more.

 

[N3ON]

If the Eternal Darkness 2 rumor turns out to be true, I really hope we get more ED representation then we did in Brawl (what was it -- one mention in the chronicle?). I'd love a stage somehow based off the Roivas Mansion, and maybe an AT. Alexandra is most likely, but I hope for Pious Augustus.

Maybe some music too. It would probably need to be remixed a little, but I'm sure Sakurai could spare one from his fleet of musicians for it.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

There is another possibility. Sakurai could also go back to some of the pre-Brawl character ideas and bolster some of the existing series. Sure, people like this idea of how series should or should not be represented. If, for example, we had both Ridley and Dark Samus, would that really be such a big problem for people? Or what if we had a character liked Masked Man or Bandanna Dee versus having nobody. Not saying anything about the characters themselves but just trying to convey an idea.

Ultimately though I see the pool of characters being very shallow right now.

Shulk
Mii
Krystal
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Toad
Palutena
Medusa
Mewtwo
Zoroark
Roy
Krom
Little Mac
Takamaru
Saki Amamiya
Ridley

Gosh, this would suck ultimate time... I just hope they would improve on Assist Trophies this time a lot. Make them summonable. (-l´l-);; But we migh expect about 7-10 newcomers at best, and even then, these would only expand to the existing frachises we have already in Smash Bros.

 

[Deleted member]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eggman-Empire-Dr-Eggman-for-Smash-Bros/285563118207047

For those who support the Eggman.

 

[augustoflores]

haha, i've got the perfect ammo the next time someone uses a Ghirahim gif of him "tongue-ing" Link.
check it:

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