New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Mypantisgone]

Sakurai will really make a new smash bros with many differences between Melee and Brawl?
(just a question)

You mean like from melee to brawl?i'm pretty sure he will,anyway he said he is not just going to had characters and stuff.

 

[vicgur]

Sakurai will really make a new smash bros with many differences between Melee and Brawl?
(just a question)

I can't quite understand your question...

 

[Lukingordex]

@vicgur:
I asked about the SSB4 gameplay,if it will be similar to melee or brawl,or if it will be a totally new gameplay.

 

[vicgur]

@vicgur:
I asked about the SSB4 gameplay,if it will be similar to melee or brawl,or if it will be a totally new gameplay.

That's a good question.
He'll probably start doing the game in the Brawl gameplay, then adjust it a little.

/captainobvious



PS: Where's Shortie? His game can't stop right now! I want to cut Toad!

 

[Lukingordex]

vicgur,can you accept my friend request?

T_T

 

[Big-Cat]

He said he wasn't going to do a Melee 2 or a Brawl 2, but something different. Something different that hopefully involves chains and actual combos.

 

[Baskerville]

An SSB game with Melee's ground speed and Brawl's air speed would be perfect for me. I know people complained about Brawl's air speed but, as long as I can fast fall I'm not complaining.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

The biggest change I can image is the side moves and special moves being different if the stick is pushed forward (where the character is facing) or backward (the other direction).
Sample: Mario
B + Forward = Cape Strike (the usual one)
B + Backward = Tail Strike (raccoon ears pop up, along with a raccoon tail that strikes anyone behind).

 

[GiantBreadbug]

@Metal and general Zoroark business

I think that representing the 5th gen solely by Pokeballs (and trophies and stuff) would be a fine way to go, but just by judging Lucario's situation for Brawl, I find it very unlikely that the Pokemon Company would not want a rep for the newest gen this time around too. (Even if it's 6th gen over 5th gen). It's quite possible that back in 2001, they didn't feel this strongly about representing their newest gen, but that was a long time ago, and clearly their opinions have changed. I think Sakurai would choose to appease the Pokemon Company and include 1 new character over not being able to work with any of their characters, even if he doesn't feel a newer Pokemon is as "deserving". Although this could totally bypass the 5th gen in general, depending on when the newest gen is released.

And even though I like Zoroark (yes I actually like him), I agree that inclusion solely on the basis of newness and promotion is a rather poor reason, but it doesn't look like it's going to change by SSB4.

/mytwocents

I don't think repping the newest generation has ever been as important as it is right now, just because 5th gen is kinda a big point in the series. I think it needs repped not just because it's new, but because it's a significant part of the franchise.

I don't like Zoroark (I'm slowly warming up to him, just because I'm beginning to expect him), but I'd rather have him than no 5th gen rep at all, just because Black/White and Black2/White2 are so huge to Pokemon as a series.

But yeah, I think Lucario was just a good choice period, and the fact that he was plastered all over the Pokemon media just helped him out.

Aaaaaaaaaand, back to whatever was being talked about.

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I hope we can have both Lucario, Mewtwo and Zoroark. Each one is rappresentative of it's own generation.
In all honesty, I'm even hoping (not too much seriously) that Nintendo will borrow Renamon from Bandai.

 

[Deleted member]

SRS BSNS post:

I would add to the argument that it isn't guaranteed that we'll get a 5th gen newcomer that Melee could a reason why. People at first are gonna be like, "What that's silly that would actually prove the opposite since Pichu got in", but when you take a closer look at things, then you'll start to see what I mean. Pichu is a 2nd gen Pokemon, yes, and 2nd gen was the newest gen during Melee's time, yes. But he didn't get in because of that. He only got in a quick Pikachu clone and one-time joke character due to time constraints and Sakurai wanting to artificially increase the roster size. Not due to being from the newest gen. So, since he didn't seem to consider putting in any other popular 2nd gen Pokemon (like Heracross), had Sakurai and company not decided to beef up the roster at the last time with a bunch of clones, we seriously would have only gotten Mewtwo in Melee (watch someone say, "LOL THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL CRAP WE STILL GOT PICHU IN MELEE REGARDLESS").

Also, people have to realize that playable status isn't the only way to represent Pokemon on the battlefield. We have Pokeballs to represent the numerous Pokemon we've come to know over the years. After all, that's exactly what happened with 3rd gen in Brawl. Did we get Deoxys or any other 3rd gen Pokamanz as a playable character (no Pra_Mai/Plusle and Minun/whatever being "planned" doesn't count)? No, but we still got a whole bunch of 3rd gen Pokemon as Pokeball Pokemon. Who's to say that won't happen with 5th gen in Smash 4?

So... yeah, that's muh two cents

*goes back into the shadows*

This. Although I think that he would've picked Scizor before Heracross, due to this line in it's Trophy: "Its sleek look has made Scizor quite the popular catch among collectors.", which kind of hints at Scizor's overall popularity (which is still true today, in the competitive scene).

But anyways, my main point. Gen 5 doesn't need a character for representation. It can easily go the route that Gen 3 took and feature Kyurem as a boss. Especially if Generation 6 were to show it's head before development is near complete.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Absolutely, that would be the way to go. Personally, I have other preferences than Zoroark *coughGenesectcough* but any 5th gen rep is fine with me.

And anyone who thinks Lucario is getting cut I would call silly. He's all over the promotion for B&W 2 as the antithesis to Zoroark. Plus, Pokemon cuts don't go over so well with fans.

Pikachu, Jiggs, Red, Mewtwo, Lucario, Genesect (or Zoroark, jeez). This would please me as a Pokemaniac.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm even hoping (not too much seriously) that Nintendo will borrow Agumon from Bandai.

Fixed. Wouldn't make sense to not include the mascot. (Well technically, Greymon is supposed to be the mascot, but Agumon is just one stage below it, and could possibly Digivolve during the match.)

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

None says anything on my Starfy-arguments? Are they maybe uninteresting?

 

[vicgur]

vicgur,can you accept my friend request?

Done!

He said he wasn't going to do a Melee 2 or a Brawl 2, but something different. Something different that hopefully involves chains and actual combos.

I didn't say he was going to do a Brawl 2. I just think he'll start with Brawl gameplay and then make the new one based on that.
I'm not against combos, as long as they don't make Smash Bros a fighting game like those overly-hardcore from Street Fighter. If that's what you mean, I'll have to disagree with you.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

@Metal being quoted by Golden The thing about 5th gen compared to 3rd gen though, is that 3rd gen didn't make near as much of an impact on the Pokemon world as 5th. Black and White are huge (arguably the most significant entries since the conception of the series), so I think there is a necessity to rep it. Not that worlds shall crumble if it doesn't happen, but it'd be like not having a Super Mario Galaxy stage in SSB4. Not that the comparison between stages and characters is that easy to make, but Galaxy is just too great and significant a presence to not be represented with something like a stage, and I think the same can be said about 5th gen and a playable character.

2 cents 2 cents 2 cents.

@Horsetail I don't know a daggone thing about the Starfy series, sorry man. Although I should get myself a copy of the DS game that was localized.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm not against combos, as long as they don't make Smash Bros a fighting game like those overly-hardcore from Street Fighter. If that's what you mean, I'll have to disagree with you.

Most of them aren't that bad and the ones in Street Fighter tend are rhythmic. Personally, I'd like the combos to be more like Guilty Gear or Skullgirls - every attack chains and links are only here and there in a combo instead of being everywhere but a few points.

 

[Baskerville]

If its like MvC3 with 100% combos. I'd hate it with a pass-
*looks at 64* GODDAMNIT!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Starfy got playable on SSB4,he will probably have less weight than Jigglypuff...

While I do see Starfy being very light, he wouldn't be Jigglypuff light.

None says anything on my Starfy-arguments? Are they maybe uninteresting?

Some of your inputs are not too different from what I've mentioned about Starfy. However, my Final Smash input for Monstar does have a drawback in that Starfy could still be knocked back, and if he's sent flying, he can't recover at all.

 

[Aurane]

He said he wasn't going to do a Melee 2 or a Brawl 2, but something different. Something different that hopefully involves chains and actual combos.

Remember, Sakurai did say he was going out for an RPG-sort of game. So overall, it's a possibility that he could be looking at something COMPLETELY different if he's thinking stuff like that.

SSBRPG... Holy ****, my dreams come true.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I dunno should Monstar really be the definitive Final Smash for Starfy, in fact I think he could unleash his super strength, or something that could reflect or refer to himself.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Lord Ghirahim for SMASH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=siVTPGtM6H0

You sir, are amazing.

As for people talking about generations being repped, someone brought up a good point, why does the fifth (or even sixth, which I am confused as to why people are suggesting, especially if characters are going to be decided upon right around NOW) generation need a character slot. The fact that it is the latest is a bit arbitrary, if a fifth gen is added, we might as well get a third and second gen, kick out Jiggly and Mewtwo because the first one is unfairly represented. Which is a god awful idea. Just give us back Mewtwo and leave that extra slot to a franchise that is either new and interesting or a smaller one already repped that needs more love.

Also, cut Tom Nook, I will not suffer the nonsense that is the sinister villain argument for him. He is hardly a villain, he asks for money for you house that he is graciously letting you use until you get the cash for it. .___. He is like your best friend, seriously. And if you don't pay it isn't like he is going to hurt you, there is no mystery to it at all. The characters of Animal Crossing are like little children that through temper tantrums. And as many have mentioned, Sakurai said the likelihood of a character even like him or Villager is not going to happen. Speaking of Villager, if we were to get a Animal Crossing rep, why would it be Tom Nook? He is never shown using any item, only selling them, and he is not the main character, which you would think would be the first priority if a franchise is going to appear on the roster. And Villager could have interesting costumes and be swapped to either a male or female, Villager not only makes more sense but is far more interesting. So just cut Tom Nook, and do not add Villager. They're both not getting in. Give us items, stages, or ATs for them, they do well there.

 

[Big-Cat]

You know who'd be good in Smash?

Imp-

Tom Nook.

@Asage
The only things he's implied is customization. What exactly that entails is anyone's guess, but the interview where he first discusses this implies that he's not quite looking for an RPG thing as that gets rid of the instant playability.

 

[Hazor100]

I'm wondering why nobody has thought of the Masked Man of Mother 3, He would be an awesome character.

 

[Mypantisgone]

So Kuma want a street fighter clone and he is going to bully with impa
GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONEcaps

 

[Zap tackle]

I think your moveset for Starfy is rather nice Horsetail. I like how smooth his moves look so far and I can actually envision the little star(fish?) working that way in relation to how he plays in his own games (soft movement underwater). His gameplay in Smash should definitely reflect on his swimming abilities. I'm sure his body proportions shouldn't be a problem considering that even "puffballs" like Kirby and Jigglypuff can work in Smash.

I'm kind of unsure only with the final smash as I don't exactly have the greatest knowledge of the Starfy games (just the general). Neat ideas, nonetheless!

If Starfy were to be playable in SSB4, I'd really like to see a true underwater stage be implemented in the game. We have yet to see one of those! :D

 

[Shorts]

I'm wondering why nobody has thought of the Masked Man of Mother 3, He would be an awesome character.

You're


a Smash Rookie.

 

[Big-Cat]

So Kuma want a street fighter clone and he is going to bully with impa
GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONEcaps

Why don't you look up the differences between SF and Smash or any other fighting game why don't you?

I'm tired of people making the same blanket statements.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

@Metal being quoted by Golden The thing about 5th gen compared to 3rd gen though, is that 3rd gen didn't make near as much of an impact on the Pokemon world as 5th. Black and White are huge (arguably the most significant entries since the conception of the series), so I think there is a necessity to rep it. Not that worlds shall crumble if it doesn't happen, but it'd be like not having a Super Mario Galaxy stage in SSB4. Not that the comparison between stages and characters is that easy to make, but Galaxy is just too great and significant a presence to not be represented with something like a stage, and I think the same can be said about 5th gen and a playable character.

2 cents 2 cents 2 cents.

@Horsetail I don't know a daggone thing about the Starfy series, sorry man. Although I should get myself a copy of the DS game that was localized.

I think your moveset for Starfy is rather nice Horsetail. I like how smooth his moves look so far and I can actually envision the little star(fish?) working that way in relation to how he plays in his own games (soft movement underwater). His gameplay in Smash should definitely reflect on his swimming abilities. I'm sure his body proportions shouldn't be a problem considering that even "puffballs" like Kirby and Jigglypuff can work in Smash.

I'm kind of unsure only with the final smash as I don't exactly have the greatest knowledge of the Starfy games (just the general). Neat ideas, nonetheless!

If Starfy were to be playable in SSB4, I'd really like to see a true underwater stage be implemented in the game. We have yet to see one of those yet! :D

Um Zap, that moveset that I showed out was not done by myself, I posted the link where it leads to the original creator.

But thanks anyway.

 

[Mypantisgone]

The the only similar point is they hit each other.
The rest is NOT the same.
If you want to reply,wait,i'm going to watch a movie and i don't want to go to the adventure of findind your comment.

 

[Zap tackle]

This is from Algus Underdunk of Deviantart, check the original pic here:

http://algus-underdunk.deviantart.com/#/d4wfrgg

Ah, I see.

I'm not sure how I missed that part, but I guess I got more caught up on the moveset itself. Apologies for that.

 

[vicgur]

Shortie, where is the next round of the game!? I want to see how it ends.

EDIT: I have no idea who the **** this woman is, but the image is related to my feelings.

 

[Aurane]

@Asage
The only things he's implied is customization. What exactly that entails is anyone's guess, but the interview where he first discusses this implies that he's not quite looking for an RPG thing as that gets rid of the instant playability.

I never heard that... I'll look into it later. Not saying I don't believe in you, but I don't remember hearing that.

But still, an SSBRPG would be kickass. Like, "Super Smash Bros. Oblivion". Gods be praised.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'm wondering why nobody has thought of the Masked Man of Mother 3, He would be an awesome character.

He's been brought up often. I truly don't think Mother needs 3 characters. I think it's fine with just Ness and Lucas. IMO, I would rather they just cut Ness and Lucas and add Ninten (he looks like Ness so technically Ness was merely renamed Ninten) and combine Ness and Lucas's movesets into Ninten.

 

[Aurane]

He's been brought up often. I truly don't think Mother needs 3 characters. I think it's fine with just Ness and Lucas. IMO, I would rather they just cut Ness and Lucas and add Ninten (he looks like Ness so technically Ness was merely renamed Ninten) and combine Ness and Lucas's movesets into Ninten.

Or just keep Ness and make room for other newcomers ._. I did NOT like how Earthbound got a new rep, yet the Mario Series gets nothing.

 

[Arcadenik]

Or just keep Ness and make room for other newcomers ._. I did NOT like how Earthbound got a new rep, yet the Mario Series gets nothing.

Meh. They could keep Ness and just rename him "Ninten" and no one would know the difference except whenever they hear the announcer say "Ninten" or whenever they see the name "Ninten" next to Ness's face.

Anyway, for Smash 4... I, too, want Mario series to get one more character... now, this is my opinion but I want Toad to be that character.

 

[Propeller Toad]

You're not the only one wanting Toad.

To be honest, I don't see the idea of Mario getting two newcomers to being farfetched. It is Nintendo's flagship franchise and with the limited "extremely recognizable" characters left, Nintendo could search in for more Mario characters (where some very identifiable Nintendo characters lurk). Let's not forget that we did not receive a true Mario rep since Melee as well. I personally hope to see both Toad and Jr. so we can complete the main Super Mario cast by ssb4.

Just watch us get both of these characters in ssb4 just to please both sides of the Toad vs Jr debates.

 

[Arcadenik]

You're not the only one wanting Toad.

To be honest, I don't see the idea of Mario getting two newcomers to being farfetched. It is Nintendo's flagship franchise and with the limited "extremely recognizable" characters left, Nintendo could search in for more Mario characters (where some very identifiable Nintendo characters lurk). Let's not forget that we did not receive a true Mario rep since Melee as well. I personally hope to see both Toad and Jr. so we can complete the main Super Mario cast by ssb4.

And Zelda, too! It didn't get a non-clone newcomer in Brawl. We only got Zelda and Sheik in Melee. I don't like how Link, Zelda, and Sheik are the only unique ones while Ganondorf and both child Links are clones.

 

[Propeller Toad]

And Zelda, too! It didn't get a non-clone newcomer in Brawl. We only got Zelda and Sheik in Melee. I don't like how Link, Zelda, and Sheik are the only unique ones while Ganondorf and both child Links are clones.

Quite true on that as well. It seems that both Zelda and Mario were ignored during the development of Brawl. However, by now we do have quite a few interesting choices for both sides in terms of potential newcomers. Hopefully, Sakurai pays more attention on the two (and the DK series) this time around).

To be honest, I thought Ganondorf was going to be declined by Brawl. I guess he's luigified, but still it would be nice to have pull that sword out for once aside from taunting. Sadly, it seems Toon/Child Link will remain a clone judging by Sakurai's statement on the Dojo. There's still hope though for him...maybe...

 

[grizby2]

He's been brought up often. I truly don't think Mother needs 3 characters. I think it's fine with just Ness and Lucas. IMO, I would rather they just cut Ness and Lucas and add Ninten (he looks like Ness so technically Ness was merely renamed Ninten) and combine Ness and Lucas's movesets into Ninten.

cut a veteran? no way. besides, ness has been an unlockable ever since the good ol' days.
and like i said before, lucas is the most dynamic main character of the franchise, and he could actually rep the mother series alot better than ness could if given the chance.

sorry, my fanboyNESS got out of the cage

i think just having those two characters is enough. even though i would LOVE to see another mother charatcer join the roster, its far from necessary.

trivia: ninten having ness-and-lucas-type movesets would be hard to do since ninten is known to have no real offensive powers. also, aside from the shirt and shorts, they DO have diffrent appearen- INNER FANBOY! I TOLD YOU TO STOP!