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[Holder of the Heel]

Well it's not like that hasn't been done before with Ice Climbers. And there are several characters only in the two-three game range. Though, you could argue there is a huge different between a character that is used only once and another that is used twice. But if those rebellious thoughts creep into your mind, refer back to point one. And remind me, but was Ice Climbers heavily desired for Melee at the time? Unfortunately I was young and not so much into the series at that stage.

 

[yani]

On Sheik being cut: Everyone that isn't Kuma, Arcade, and Diddy are pretty much against it and probably just don't want to start WWIII on this thread. It had to go to having "No Impa weeks". More than enough reason .

But seriously, they are a duo. If Sakurai cared about relevance, or splitting them up, it would have happened in Brawl. Keep Sheik.

 

[Xhampi]

Keep
Toad
King K.Rool
Bandanna Dee
Palutena
Mewtwo
Zoroark
Ridley
Krom
Starfy
Tom Nook
Mii
Slime

Cut
Bowser Jr
Medusa
Krystal
Ike

Don't really care about the other newcommers or veterans except for the Ghirahim vs Tingle but i don't know enough things about the Zelda series to judge

 

[Jakor]

Well it's not like that hasn't been done before with Ice Climbers. And there are several characters only in the two-three game range. Though, you could argue there is a huge different between a character that is used only once and another that is used twice. But if those rebellious thoughts creep into your mind, refer back to point one. And remind me, but was Ice Climbers heavily desired for Melee at the time? Unfortunately I was young and not so much into the series at that stage.

Well, the Ice Climbers are still the most important characters from their series, while that is not the case with Ghirahim and the Zelda series.

 

[Big-Cat]

But seriously, they are a duo. If Sakurai cared about relevance, or splitting them up, it would have happened in Brawl. Keep Sheik.

And you know this how? Maybe he wanted another shot at trying the duo again or something.

 

[BirthNote]

I'd like Rayman to be in the running.

 

[Arcadenik]

As for Toad and Bowser Jr., yeah, it does seem that they are on the same boat... so I am just going to explain why I think Toad is the better choice. For one thing, he's got a longer history with the series, much longer than Bowser Jr. ever did. Bowser Jr. isn't exactly one of the first things that come to people's minds when asked about the Mario games. Many Mario fan-games often feature Toad as one of the playable characters along with Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Yoshi. I think that the Mario Big Eight phenomenon might just be real. Do you see this magazine below? The only characters listed as important characters are Mario, his allies (Luigi, Peach, Toad, Yoshi) and his frenemies (Donkey Kong and Wario) and even though Bowser wasn't mentioned but we all know he is the main villain of the whole Mario franchise.

 

[grizby2]

I think that most people don't really hate Tingle... it's just that I think there's something memetic about hating Tingle... almost like we are supposed to say bad things about Tingle. I mean, do they really hate Tingle? Like "hate hate" Tingle as opposed to "love to hate" Tingle? Most people seem to love to hate Duck Hunt Dog but do they feel the same way about Tingle or do they actually hate Tingle? I guess I just don't buy that everyone hates or doesn't care about Tingle when he's had a big enough fanbase with decent popularity to warrant his own game series.

i dont HATE tingle, but at the same time i dont really like him. which is to say im on the "a little bit less than nuetral" position. (i'll also add that im not much of a zelda fan, sorry about that :T)
and i guess its about who the fanbase is built upon.

die-hard zelda fans?
smash fans?
other?

i think tingle is gonna have to bust a few moves to really change the minds of the public.

 

[Lukingordex]

Yeah, if there is a character from Brawl that should be cut, it should be without a doubt, Toon Link.

Sorry,this list is wrong.

 

[yani]

And you know this how? Maybe he wanted another shot at trying the duo again or something.

If Zelda not having a down B was such a tragedy, Sheik could have easily been gone in Brawl for that, and for not having a recent appearance. Instead, he went to make the duo have their offensive/defensive extremes. Why? I don't know. He likes it. Or he likes Sheik.

 

[Shorts]

I'd like Rayman to be in the running.

I was going to add him, but there is no icon for him! If you can find/make one, identical to the ones that I'm using I WILL ADD HIM.

I want to see what people think about Junior, not JUNIOR VS TOAD, just Junior. Even if Junior gets cut, Toad will still have to compete with the rest of the cast in the running, so I would focus on building him up as much as possible.

That being said... please, suggest cuts. With REASONS, Yani

 

[Big-Cat]

If Zelda not having a down B was such a tragedy, Sheik could have easily been gone in Brawl for that, and for not having a recent appearance. Instead, he went to make the duo have their offensive/defensive extremes. Why? I don't know. He likes it. Or he likes Sheik.

Or, you know, she could've gotten a new Down B.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Well, the Ice Climbers are still the most important characters from their series, while that is not the case with Ghirahim and the Zelda series.

Yes, very true, however, how did that necessitate his appearance? It really doesn't, in my opinion, it only necessitates his appearance under the assumption that his franchise needed to be included. Now, Ghirahim is more relevant, has a bigger fanbase (as in, more than Climbers had during Melee development, correct me if I am wrong on this), and doesn't have that bridge to cross that is having the franchise he is in represented, which it has been in the beginning. Perhaps aiding the point, as others have said, the Zelda franchise was left untouched in Brawl, and perhaps deserves something now, and I think I have somewhat decently shown how there isn't too much to use other than the Demon Lord himself, with perhaps only Vaati being the only worthy adversary.

 

[Deleted member]

@Roster: I don't particularly care if Ike stays or not. He could be replaced by Krom and I wouldn't care. So I say Pass.

Toon Link can be cut, but Sakurai did state something about two Links being important, so he could be cut for Young Link, but either way, we are getting a Child Link. I don't care if we get Toon or Young Link, so Pass.

Sheik must absolutely stay, there is no reason for cutting. She's incredibly popular within the Smash community and Impa isn't nearly as wanted as Sheik. Plus she has a great move set that is really enjoyable. The most liberal thing I would tolerate is Zelda and Sheik being separated, which can be great for both. So Sheik should go in Keep.

I would suggest adding Animal Crosser if we're keeping Tom Nook. Animal Crosser is the face of the series and was considered by Sakurai before Tom Nook. If we get an Animal Crossing rep, it should be him (and this is coming from someone who wants Tom Nook in). Tom Nook I will Pass on, for although he's not a good choice, he should not be in before Animal Crosser.

For vets, Keep all except Sonic, Snake, Lucas, Ike, and Toon Link (who I Pass on). For newcomers, Keep the following:

Toad
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Palutena
Samurai Goroh
Krystal
Ridley
Krom
Little Mac
Isaac
Saki
Takamaru
Mii
Mega Man

Pass on the following...

Bowser Jr. (if one Mario rep stays, it should be Toad. However, he is popular as you (Shortie) said and could easily work as clone and unique))
Ghirahim (has reasons to stay and reasons to leave)
Medusa (Eventually, she needs to leave, but she can stay now)
Zoroark (tempted to say "Cut", but so far, not many requests for Lucario or Mewtwo to be cut from roster)
Roy (See Ghirahim)
Tom Nook (Animal Crosser over him)
Professor Latyon (Not over Mega Man, but he's not bad either)
Slime (Really don't think he's getting in, but ideally, he is a good third-party, although we shouldn't overboard on them)

Cut...

Captain Syrup (easily replaceable and most people wouldn't care if she missed the next Wario Land games. Plus not many people want her in)
Bandanna Dee (Some good reasons for him, but ultimately, Kirby is fine with three reps and Sakurai worries about modesty, which makes a fourth rep unlikely and unneeded. Plus while popular, many would rather see a F-zero rep/Krystal over him)
Shulk (see reasons in post suggesting cut)
Starfy (Not popular and Sakurai doesn't seem to like the idea of having him in very much)

 

[yani]

Since I want all Brawl vets, I'll do a newcomer list:

Spoiler

Toad: Pass
Bowser Jr.: Pass
Captain Syrup: Pass
Ghirahim: Keep
Tingle: Keep
Dixie Kong: Keep
King K. Rool: Keep
Palutena: Keep
Medusa: Keep
Samurai Goroh: Keep
Krystal: Keep
Zoroark: Cut
Mewtwo: Keep
Roy: Keep
Krom: Cut
Saki: Keep
Little Mac: Keep
Issac: Cut
Shulk: Keep
Takamaru: Cut
Starfy: Cut
Tom Nook: Keep
Mii: Pass
Mega Man: Keep
Ryu: Cut
Laytonass
Slime: Pass

I think I got everyone.

To note: I wouldn't mind Toon Link getting cut.

Starfy: Not fully owned by Nintendo from what I understand, only one game in NA, could have possibly been a pain in the arse for Sakurai to make playable (assuming the whole fighter trophy stuff)

Takamaru: I really don't see him being mentioned a lot anymore. I suppose he has the Retro VIP status to work with, but I just don't see it.

Issac: Brawl was his shot IMO.

Zoroark: Just don't like him. I feel his whole mirage gimmick would be better in Pokeball form.

 

[Jakor]

Yes, very true, however, how did that necessitate his appearance? It really doesn't, in my opinion, it only necessitates his appearance under the assumption that his franchise needed to be included. Now, Ghirahim is more relevant, has a bigger fanbase (as in, more than Climbers had during Melee development, correct me if I am wrong on this), and doesn't have that bridge to cross that is having the franchise he is in represented, which it has been in the beginning. Perhaps aiding the point, as others have said, the Zelda franchise was left untouched in Brawl, and perhaps deserves something now.

Of course, the Zelda franchise definitely deserves a new character for SSB4. As for my personal tastes, I would add Impa, Skull Kid, Tingle or Vaati before him simply because they have had more appearances so far, and they might still reappear in future games. I highly doubt Ghirahim will appear in a future Zelda game. This is just a matter of preference, though.

 

[yani]

Or, you know, she could've gotten a new Down B.

I said "Sheik could have been gone from Brawl" implying Zelda could have gotten a new Down B.

Did she? Nope.

 

[Berserker.]

II want to see what people think about Junior, not JUNIOR VS TOAD, just Junior

At Mario Sunshine, I liked how he loved his dad and how he was thinking that Peach was his mom (Lol). But when it came to the later games (NSMB, Galaxy), I felt like he was starting to become a mini boss instead of having some sort of role in Mario games.

Oh and...

Keep
Toad
Shulk
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Ridley
Krom
Little Mac
Isaac
Saki
Takamaru
Mii
Ghirahim

Pass
Krystal
Medusa
Tom Nook
Bowser Jr.
Tingle
Starfy
Slime
Roy
Ryu
Megaman
Starfy

Cut
Zoroark
Bandana Dee
Syrup
Layton
Paletuna
Pacman

 

[Shorts]

At Mario Sunshine, I liked how he loved his dad and how he was thinking that Peach was his mom (Lol). But when it came to the later games (NSMB, Galaxy), I felt like he was starting to become a mini boss instead of having some sort of role in Mario games.

The only problem with this... is.. you start to get so subjective.. I mean if him becoming less involved with the storyline, and becoming more of a mini boss if a problem... Toad means so little considering his role in the storyline is almost nothing, almost, always.

So, I think this point, while interesting, is best left alone.

 

[Xhampi]

At Mario Sunshine, I liked how he loved his dad and how he was thinking that Peach was his mom (Lol). But when it came to the later games (NSMB, Galaxy), I felt like he was starting to become a mini boss instead of having some sort of role in Mario games.

Oh thanks Arceus, i'm not the only one who think he lost his personality.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

\I highly doubt Ghirahim will appear in a future Zelda game

Okay, you're just trying to make me sad at this point.

Hahah, nah, I get where you are coming from. From even a Ghirahim fan's viewpoint, I can hardly blame your preferences. ^_^

 

[Berserker.]

The only problem with this... is.. you start to get so subjective.. I mean if him becoming less involved with the storyline, and becoming more of a mini boss if a problem... Toad means so little considering his role in the storyline is almost nothing, almost, always.

So, I think this point, while interesting, is best left alone.

That's how I feel though. You asked for what I thought anyway, Shorts.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, you're just trying to make me sad at this point.

Hahah, nah, I get where you are coming from. From even a Ghirahim fan's viewpoint, I can hardly blame your preferences. ^_^

So, you gonna post your keeps, passes, and cuts? Would love to see more of you in this game.

Cut
Zoroark
Bandana Dee
Syrup
Layton
Paletuna
Pacman

Why Palutena?

 

[Shorts]

This time around, expect a lot more cuts. I have much more ammo for shooting down characters now.

2 - 5 characters atm I can see being cut, unless someone comes and rescues them.

Lots of people on, here is the current roster

I'm sure you can see how to play. SSBF's post was a good example to follow

 

[Arcadenik]

Oh thanks Arceus, i'm not the only one who think he lost his personality.

Yeah, and at the same time... it does seem like Toad was starting to gain a personality of his own. He went from being one of the Mushroom Retainers who accompanied Peach in Sunshine... to becoming a leader of the Toad Brigade in Galaxy who actively helps Mario from behind the scenes.

 

[Deleted member]

@yani: Krom should not be cut. His game is doing very well in Japan and is bound to be one of Fire Emblem's biggest hit if/when it hits oversea. Plus he's the new Lord and would work great as promotion if lord of FE14.

Takamaru is the most popular rep by far. Japan loves him and he still is the most requested oversea. He also broke out of Japan-only status with Samurai Warriors 3, which helps him a lot, especially in comparison to the Japan-only Lip.

Why did Isaac miss his shot? Isaac is definitely in the Top 10 of most requested character and possibly the 5th most wanted character. He is the most requested new series newcomer and he is the most important character in Golden Sun; playable in first game, major role in second, and a small role in the third. He is essentially the Marth of Golden Sun, only more important to the story.

 

[BR75]

This time around, expect a lot more cuts. I have much more ammo for shooting down characters now.

2 - 5 characters atm I can see being cut, unless someone comes and rescues them.

Lots of people on, here is the current roster

I'm sure you can see how to play. SSBF's post was a good example to follow

someone should save mario clearly he's gonna be cut :nutella:

 

[Metal Mania1321]

For the love of god, DON'T KEEP KROM!!! We don't need 3 blue-haired FE swordsmen. He is just an inferior Ike clone, and can be an alternate character skin for Ike. Besides, we will most likely be at the release of FE 15 by the time Sm4sh is late into development. PLEASE CUT KROM!!!

 

[vicgur]

Okay... I'm doing it, so prepare your face 'cause I'm about to melt it.

Let's slash and dash some bad character choices, shall we?

Toad:
For the love of God. Do you know why you love Toad so much!? Is because you're used to him. I mean, he is EVERYWHERE! And guess what: He's USELESS.
Wanna know why Toad should be cut? Because he is not a character. Never was. Toad is a RACE.
When you see Toad, you don't see that ONE CHARACTER from Mario, you see A Toad.
You can't even tell if that Toad that appears in the Mario spin-offs is always the same, because they're generic enough so you don't recognize their "singularities".
The only Toad character that is worth mentioning is Toadsworth [no pun intended], and we all know Bowser Jr has better chances than him.
I could go on and on about how supporting Toad is the same as supporting a generic Zora, or a generic Unit from Fire Emblem, but I guess I made my point.

Medusa:
Kid Icarus is fine with only 2 characters. Palutena is OBVIOUSLY a better choice than Medusa. I don't really have to stretch that too much, do I?

Lucario:
I wanted to cut a veteran. Characters from Pokémon are always the easiest choice for a cut.
I'd cut Jiggles, but he/she/it is from SSB64... It's pretty impossible to take her out by now, so...
Sorry Lucario. I really like you, but I had to do it...
[seriously, Lucario is my favorite 4th Gen by far]

Krom:
The guy is far too fresh for a Smash.
Yeah, I know Ike had only one recent game when he got in Brawl, and Roy didn't even HAVE a game in Melee... But Krom is going against both, and both are already veterans, not to mention both appeared in more than one FE... Sooo...
Next time, buddy. Have another game or 2, then we talk.

Spoiler

Marth is untouchable

Slime:
For God's sake, Smash Bros. is a party game, ir isn't a ****in' ORGY GAME.
What I mean is: it's a party, but it isn't THAT MUCH of a party.
Just because it appeared in Mario Sports Mix doesn't mean it's a reasonable choice...

For the rest:
Keep the veterans[but Lucario, for obvious reasons]
Pass the others[I'll come back for them later... ]

I'd also like to support Birthnote's idea of including Rayman.
Ubisoft and Nintendo have been buddies for some time.
Ubisoft wants to be the biggest third party in WiiU.
Rayman is back to his origins[no pun intended]
Rayman Legends was the first "big" franchise to be shown in video for WiiU. Pretty big deal.
Also, Rabbids.

 

[yani]

I have to say I'm impressed. No one wants Nook cut!

 

[Shorts]

I have to say I'm impressed. No one wants Nook cut!

To be honest, I think it's more or less, no one cares enough. He's a cool character, but not many are TOO passionate about him, because IN REAL SSB SPEC, he's dead.

Can I get some opinions on Medusa?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

vicgur... there's a Toad Race and there's the MAIN Toad.

Proof? There's a total of 6 different Toads that aren't in spin-offs. Yellow Toad, Blue Toad. MAIN Toad, Toadette, Toadsworth, and the Toad Race for the rest. There are the key ones.

MAIN Toad is playable in Super Mario Bros. 2 USA(first appearance), Kart Fighter(...It is a game, regardless), and Wario's Woods(plus other spin-offs). Yellow and Blue Toad are only playable in one game, which the MAIN Toad is not playable in.

Finally, the rest is the Toad race. Likewise, MAIN Toad appears as the leader of the Toad Brigade in Super Mario Galaxy(and I haven't played Galaxy 2, but...)

Also, Toad and the Toad Race each have different names in Japan. I forgot which was Kinoppio, and there was another...

 

[Metal Mania1321]

Okay... I'm doing it, so prepare your face 'cause I'm about to melt it.

Let's slash and dash some bad character choices, shall we?

Toad:
For the love of God. Do you know why you love Toad so much!? Is because you're used to him. I mean, he is EVERYWHERE! And guess what: He's USELESS.
Wanna know why Toad should be cut? Because he is not a character. Never was. Toad is a RACE.
When you see Toad, you don't see that ONE CHARACTER from Mario, you see A Toad.
You can't even tell if that Toad that appears in the Mario spin-offs is always the same, because they're generic enough so you don't recognize their "singularities".
The only Toad character that is worth mentioning is Toadsworth [no pun intended], and we all know Bowser Jr has better chances than him.
I could go on and on about how supporting Toad is the same as supporting a generic Zora, or a generic Unit from Fire Emblem, but I guess I made my point.

Medusa:
Kid Icarus is fine with only 2 characters. Palutena is OBVIOUSLY a better choice than Medusa. I don't really have to stretch that too much, do I?

Lucario:
I wanted to cut a veteran. Characters from Pokémon are always the easiest choice for a cut.
I'd cut Jiggles, but he/she/it is from SSB64... It's pretty impossible to take her out by now, so...
Sorry Lucario. I really like you, but I had to do it...
[seriously, Lucario is my favorite 4th Gen by far]

Krom:
The guy is far too fresh for a Smash.
Yeah, I know Ike had only one recent game when he got in Brawl, and Roy didn't even HAVE a game in Melee... But Krom is going against both, and both are already veterans, not to mention both appeared in more than one FE... Sooo...
Next time, buddy. Have another game or 2, then we talk.

Spoiler

Marth is untouchable

Slime:
For God's sake, Smash Bros. is a party game, ir isn't a ****in' ORGY GAME.
What I mean is: it's a party, but it isn't THAT MUCH of a party.
Just because it appeared in Mario Sports Mix doesn't mean it's a reasonable choice...

Holy Crap. THank you! You literally picked all the characters I want cut (except Gihirahim.)

 

[Berserker.]

Toad:
For the love of God. Do you know why you love Toad so much!? Is because you're used to him. I mean, he is EVERYWHERE! And guess what: He's USELESS.
Wanna know why Toad should be cut? Because he is not a character. Never was. Toad is a RACE.
When you see Toad, you don't see that ONE CHARACTER from Mario, you see A Toad.
You can't even tell if that Toad that appears in the Mario spin-offs is always the same, because they're generic enough so you don't recognize their "singularities".
The only Toad character that is worth mentioning is Toadsworth [no pun intended], and we all know Bowser Jr has better chances than him.
I could go on and on about how supporting Toad is the same as supporting a generic Zora, or a generic Unit from Fire Emblem, but I guess I made my point.

[/QUOTE]
So you like doughnuts?

I'm not gonna touch any part but the whole "MANY TOADS" topic.

There is ONE toad. One Toad as in THE toad is playable in spin offs. It's pretty obvious and even if you read the manual of each mario game, there is at least a character named Toad. Uh....

You're just bending the truth ya know. Using the fact that Toad looks similar to every toad just to confuse THE Toad with other toads. It's really obvious. Heck, Nintendo refers to him as a SPECIFIC character. They don't say, "A toad will appear in this new game". They say, "Toad is gonna appear".

Plus, there's no other Toad named "Toad".

 

[yani]

@yani: Krom should not be cut. His game is doing very well in Japan and is bound to be one of Fire Emblem's biggest hit if/when it hits oversea. Plus he's the new Lord and would work great as promotion if lord of FE14.

Takamaru is the most popular rep by far. Japan loves him and he still is the most requested oversea. He also broke out of Japan-only status with Samurai Warriors 3, which helps him a lot, especially in comparison to the Japan-only Lip.

Why did Isaac miss his shot? Isaac is definitely in the Top 10 of most requested character and possibly the 5th most wanted character. He is the most requested new series newcomer and he is the most important character in Golden Sun; playable in first game, major role in second, and a small role in the third. He is essentially the Marth of Golden Sun, only more important to the story.

Sales don't mean anything for Krom. I don't see Ike getting cut, and Roy should be prioritized if there are returnees for being important to Smash as is. We don't need four sword wielders or three blue haired swordsmen.

Takamaru I forgot he had a newer game, my mistake. I still don't see him happening though.

I'll definitely give you Issac.

To clarify, none are bad choices, just when it comes down to process of elimination, those are my picks.

 

[yani]

To be honest, I think it's more or less, no one cares enough. He's a cool character, but not many are TOO passionate about him, because IN REAL SSB SPEC, he's dead.

Can I get some opinions on Medusa?

True true.

I don't see Medusa getting in before Palutena, but being an important villain for an old series that recently got an epic revival is enough for me to say keep.

edit- damn double again, sorry.

 

[Deleted member]

Lucario:
I wanted to cut a veteran. Characters from Pokémon are always the easiest choice for a cut.
I'd cut Jiggles, but he/she/it is from SSB64... It's pretty impossible to take her out by now, so...
Sorry Lucario. I really like you, but I had to do it...
[seriously, Lucario is my favorite 4th Gen by far]

So, your reason is because Pokemons are easy to cut?

I don't think Lucario is as easy of a cut as you think. Mewtwo, Lucario, and Zoroark (as much as I despise him) can co-exist together and I doubt Sakurai wants to cut Lucario due to how popular he is to this date. He's also still being used in promotion for Pokemon as we got recent promotions for him in Black & White 2 (I'm not sure when, but I do remember it being discussed here), so I doubt the Pokemon Company wants to axe him just yet. Time constraints is the only reason why Lucario may leave and even then, Sakurai will put forth efforts towards Nintendo characters first.

Krom:
The guy is far too fresh for a Smash.
Yeah, I know Ike had only one recent game when he got in Brawl, and Roy didn't even HAVE a game in Melee... But Krom is going against both, and both are already veterans, not to mention both appeared in more than one FE... Sooo...
Next time, buddy. Have another game or 2, then we talk.

Krom's game is doing really well and he could end up being a popular choice (not just "expected"). Also, he can work well as promotion and it is possible he is lord in FE14.

 

[vicgur]

Alright, alright.

Just read the article about Toad in Super Mario Wiki.

Yep, there's a single Toad who is a character in the middle of all Toads.
This Toad started to wear a red vest in Sunshine so you could know it's him. He is also the leader of the Toad Brigade.
I have to admit I was wrong about him being generic. Sorry about that.

But I still want him cut.

 

[grizby2]

im not making a long list as of now, but i say
keep lucas.
im not just saying this cuz im a mother fan, but because he IS the most dynamic main character of that franchise (ya, even more than ness). plus alot of people who are new to the mother series have likely only played the third game, so they relate to him more.
he isn't too much of a clone really. sure his FS and 3 out of the 4 special moves he has are shared with ness, but 90% of his normal moves are different from ness's moveset and play style. his special moves can always be changed or altered more, and this has been done to a couple of characters before. if they really need to change his specials, then theres always a good amount of material from the game they could use.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Alright, since SSBF is a good guy I'll say just a little bit more, but mostly passing a lot of the characters.

Keep Miis, for they seem to make so much sense. They are the face of the Wii (and Wii U) and this is indeed a game of Nintendo icons, surely putting the icon of the system itself that is in several games (some being not too bad) doesn't sound like too much of a stretch to me. Plus being able to sync your Miis adds not to SSB4, but also to your Mii Plaza, for you would begin to be much more interested in your Miis if you weren't before. Making a moveset isn't at all difficult and could potentially be humorous as well. The main argument really I see is that their appearance makes them seem out of place, which I'm not sure if that is good enough to keep them away despite everything I have said. And who is to say that they don't slightly change in art style when synced into SSB4 from the Mii Plaza, creating a "Smash" version of the Mii while retaining their original appearance.

Keep Palutena. She is the second biggest protagonist after Pit himself in Sakurai's latest game, and that doesn't prevent her from being the biggest favorite among the game's fans! She plays the lovable and adorable girl, and yet later in Uprising you have a Boss Battle with her that showcases the power of a Goddess hidden beneath her somewhat fight-less demeanor. In fact, she seems more fitting than both Peach and Zelda on the stage after having played the game, and she is even more likable as well. Great character, great moveset, great connections to the creator, great choice.

Cut Zoroark. I used to be a supporter of him, in fact, I still like him and his shape fits so well, and what with the Dark Type, great set potential, not too shabby fanbase, I'd say he is a shoe-in if it wasn't for one thing. Mewtwo. Mewtwo may be the most obvious choice of all time, and because I say keep to him, I feel as if Zoroark actually loses its chances, lest we add two Pokemon characters in the next game, and honestly, for a franchise that is gifted with characters enough, welcoming back Mewtwo will be more than enough to satisfy that area of the game. I understand this is a rather conservative view, but I am conservative here because I feel that it gives more liberal freedom elsewhere, where it is more needed and justified.

Cut Medusa, in favor of adding Hades. This is a more controversial opinion, so I shall explain myself a bit here as you should demand of me. Medusa is simply favored at the moment mostly for her more well-known antagonist position because of the real antagonist having been hidden as a surprise. That and she is a female, but as much as I like that, can't be used too much as a real reason, unless Sakurai supports that idea. But moving on. Hades makes for a rather colorful and powerful characters, a set would be easy-peasy and his style would fit in effortless, whereas Medusa is pretty much a carbon copy of the mythological original version, just a bit more appealing to the eyes. Also worthy of noting, Medusa helps out Pit at the end because of her hatred for Hades because he is more powerful and uses her because he is the true bad guy in the game. We have Pit, we need his Goddess, but now we need an enemy. It is Hades, no question about it. Adding two to Sakurai's new franchise isn't impossible, especially since he has recently done that. It is true Medusa has been in two games now, but that doesn't remove the weight of everything that has been brought up in my opinion. And it was because of Hades that she ever came back too.

Cut Little Mac. He is a retro character that had a Wii game, yes, pretty cool. But he is simply just too boring! His AT captured his essence perfectly, it would be too fabricated when trying to become something more, to become something he isn't. And for what? To obtain an alluring retro newcomer slot? People forget how many we have to choose from, and how great some of the other options are. We can keep Little Mac, but only in the form he should be, as an assisting character, not a Smasher.

Cut Slime because Geno is a million times cooler than this ****.