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Ugh, don't play this game.Nah, I like THE Yoshi, but generic Yoshis aren't that interesting to me. Shy Guys come in all shapes, types, and forms. They have much more of a personality as well than the generic Yoshis.
Plus the generic Toads.. seriously?
General Guy. That is all. Holds a Star Spirit. Pretty important.Hey, hey, I'd only support him if either he got his own series or special role (other than generic appearances) in the Mario/Yoshi games.
But if he got in SSB4, I'd secretly be all giddy.
Okay. I still don't honestly see a reason why it's a big deal. They're still video game characters you can play as. That origined in a video game.
But here's the kicker, the characters still originated in a video game, right? Are they less of a character or something? They're part of the Smash storyline, which is separate from other storylines. You're playing as a Smash version of Mario, not any particular one, same for everybody else.
Still originated there, though. That actually matters as is. For all we knew. Fire Emblem 6 could've been cancelled and he'd be a Smash only. We have no idea if Smash-only characters could appear in later games. Master Hand and Crazy Hand appeared in a Kirby game, after all.
That's fine. Don't choose her. But why does that make her an illegitimate playable character?
It's a good thing they don't. Although if it's the majority of characters, there's more clones in Smash 64 then there are playable characters. XD
I would love to see stilts gameplay. Could make him an interesting character in terms of playstyle.I do like Shy Guy, I just don't think he has much of a shot...but he'd be cool to see. Fly Guy makes an obvious recovery
I just hope we at least get a NAME at E3. Tired of calling it SSB4, you know?
I guess what it boils down to is I'm fairly irrational about Smash-created characters. The good thing is that I don't foresee many more playable characters that were created for the sole purpose of being playable in Smash.
That too. But if he got hit with them off stage...that would be quite an awkward jumping motion. Or if he tripped...xD
Funny thing, in my moveset ideas, Stilt Guy is either a Down Smash or Down Special.
Once again, Master Hand is playable. Without an external device. Is he bad now?
...So that means that every boss that is original kind of sucks and shouldn't be in with that kind of statement.
To be fair, he proved your point wrong.Also, I shouldn't have brought up the point about Roy, because it's the one that really proves I'm trying to create loopholes.
Right.
if she exists in Smash, her chances of appearing in an LOZ game is heightened. It's really a Roy principle here. Same thing.
Pardon me, a reoccurring role. Besides, Paper Mario would go in way before him, even if they set out to make him a 3D model.
We shouldn't have Smash originated characters playable. That would rob the essence of Smash Brothers out of it. That essence is of course, all of the characters from the Nintendo franchises getting together to fight. There is no "Smash Brothers" outside of Smash Brothers to represent.
Stilts couldn't be a constant thing, it'd have to be a move he could go in if anything and go out of by pressing it again. Though then again, what would be the usage of the stilts to begin with? XD Shy Guy would more likely use slingshots, balloons/Medi Guy/propeller recovery, hammer, spears (the jungle ones :D), etc.
Shy Squad.
It's not Nintendo franchises anymore. It's just video game characters. More accurately, it's Nintendo-influenced at best. But it's not Nintendo-only, so yeah, that essence is well, 100% false.
Soooo... Cloud, Master Chief, and Glados for SSB4? .___.
there was 4 olimar mains here and you talk that...
Read what I said again. All of it. I said it was Nintendo-Influenced as well.
The problem with this is that original character in Smash are Nintendo characters too. Thus, it doesn't make a difference to the origin of a character besides... a video game origin, and a Nintendo appearance.
Master Hand was never meant to be a playable character, he's always supposed to be the CPU boss. I've never really had a problem with him. I doubt he'll ever become a "playable character"
I'd much prefer bosses like Porky, Petey, and Rayquaza over ones like Duon and Galleom, but I really don't care if the bosses are original are not, as long as they're not playable....So that means that every boss that is original kind of sucks and shouldn't be in with that kind of statement.
Roy was never meant to be a character that was created just for Smash. I guess this is why I view him differently than I would if a primid were playable or something.
I agree that if she did appear in Smash (which she still might considering Sakurai once attempted to add her), her chances of appearing in her own series would go up, but I feel that it would still be different than Roy, who was created for Fire Emblem 6, and was put in Melee before his game came out, as opposed to being created for Smash then appearing in a LoZ game. That is basically what happened to Master Hand in Amazing Mirror.
Ha ha.
That's definitely a fair opinion, and I have faith in Sakurai that if there ever was an original Smash character, it would at least be interesting.Well, to me... I don't mind the odd smash invention, but it is an all stars nintendo fighting game, so if they have 1 or 2 playable characters of their own I honestly wouldn't be annoyed. If it started to take up the roster as much as mario/pokemon/LoZ does i'd start getting annoyed though (Not to say that those franchises don't deserve their places, of course!).
Alright.
Actually, in 64, all of his moves used the regular B, A, and the Control Stick. He even has a shield(which gets glitchy). However, if you try to play as him, the game glitches up for many reasons. So I'm not so sure that's true and it was more Sakurai couldn't get him to play right(which he has glitches if not on Final Destination). So he kept him CPU only. As for Giant Donkey Kong, Metal Mario, and the Polygons... as well as the Hat Kirbies(they're not the same as Kirby, they have a Permanent B move, although that's just programmed that way) were not meant to be playable either, under this theory. My problem is that they have actual playable data in the Debug Mode, meaning they can be playable. The thing is, if MH couldn't be playable, why not make the other bosses/mooks CPU only? It makes sense, IMO.
Primid, as said before, would make an excellent and original character. Could also be customizable. But if we can customize characters(and I don't mean a Mii), we'd be making an original character too. I really doubt Sakurai cares if they're an OC or not, so the intent part is unfounded. Not saying you're wrong for thinking this, of course.
But if they were? Would you make somebody else play them to get all of Classic Mode's Trophies?
I'd still say Giga Bowser proves this whole thing wrong, anyway.
Exactly. It would be cool to see Toon Sheik. The original bosses besides the Hands slightly annoyed me since they weren't even an OC Clone.(I like those, since they can be used for later games) IMO.
To correct the last sentence, he's not a full character in Brawl. He's a full one in Melee. ...And he's technically still a full character. He just has a time limit, instead.
Oh, it's not about winning here. I'm having fun debating with a person. You're being rational here and not sprouting off purposely false information to get what you want.I can keep defending my points, Hyper, but they won't get any more logical.
Don't worry:
Nope. That's not why I enjoy the debate.
No, I meant, "Oh, it's not about winning" nonesense. Ya'lls always down your throats trying to get a point across. It's called trying to WIN an arguement.
That's exactly what I said. I may often debate to win, but that's not always the case.No, I meant, "Oh, it's not about winning" nonesense. Ya'lls always down your throats trying to get a point across. It's called trying to WIN an arguement.
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Wait what?
Ugh DLC.Yeah, but then people'll just want a ****load of DLC
Toads da bess.
Do I recognize that picture from some game which was one of the worst games of all time
Meta Knight'd be on a run for his money if Master Hand was playable.I seriously doubt Master Hand was considered for playable status. I mean, think about it; a health based fighter that can fly freely across stages in a game about knocking characters out of an arena?
And being playable through a glitch doesn't count, as it wasn't intended that way; that's why it's called a glitch. To argue that Master Hand counts as an official character playable in Melee is the same as calling Missingno. a legitimate Pokemon.
Heck, Galactus in UMvC3 is more of a legitimate character than Master Hand because you can actually use him without glitches or hacks. But even then, he isn't FULLY legitimate because you can't use him in multiplayer.
Except I don't always win, and you know it.HyperFalcon... Whenever you argue with someone, you always win.
Seems
...Not really. There's a delay among all of his moves when activated. And memorizing each move is not easy either. He goes auto-move once activated, and you have no control over him.
Ha yeah I did. They're definitely the most interesting foe, hands down.Ha ha.
Seriously, though, did you look at the REAL Shy Guy's page? Alphabetical order from Anti Guy to Woozy Guy.
Super Smash Brothers. is not a Nintendo-influenced game. It's still a Nintendo game. They receive guests that have influenced Nintendo. They do not get the entire cast in such a way, nor is that the thought process that Sakurai keeps in mind when formulating an entire roster. Snake had to be begged for, and Sonic barely made the cut, being the only character added late in the game. Also, saying it is a Nintendo-influence game doesn't really disable my point about Master Chief, Cloud, and Glados. If it is truly as you say it, characters from all consoles including the PC must be considered. After all, it is merely Nintendo-influenced, right? And yet, third party characters from other series' beyond Smash Brothers doesn't really aid the point of having a SSB originated character in, they are two separate things.
It still isn't the same thing. This is a game, even irrespective of their company origin, built upon the concept of icons fighting each other. There is no icon for SSB because the iconic image of the games themselves are the collection of other icons. Of course, it makes its own identity by necessity with things like the Master Hand, but he can't legitimately be a character, and he is not desired as such. The only one that can work is Tabuu, and does he seem fitting among the cast of icons gathered elsewhere from franchises? Sakurai worries a lot about selecting the right characters that fit together, I'm not so sure he'd be willing to do that.
