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[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Jeff would also do something, namely: fight. He could have a lot of projectiles for his specials. His tool fixing ability would be cool to implement as well. He's much more unique than Waluigi ever could be.

Waluigi has fought just as much throughout the games, if not more. That's a bullcrap statement. Yeah, he never uses a fencing sword, or he never stomps people into the ground. It's not like he doesn't have a Tennis Racquet that's great for hitting people with. Seriously, you're not helping yourself.

Waluigi isn't even a secondary character yet. Otherwise he would've appeared in main stream Mario games as one.

All the games are Canon, or none are. There is no STATED Canon. He's mainstream as is. Hell, the Spin-Off games are beyond popular, which you should know that anyway. There's a reason why we get a new Kart per system and why Mario Party came back. Plus, there's still the Paper Mario series, another spin-off. Oh, and Tennis and Golf clearly aren't dead.

Yep, those extremely popular games are completely unimportant. And since when has game Canon made one difference in Smash? Oh, wait, it hasn't.

As a WHOLE, both Jeff and Waluigi are strictly secondary characters. Waluigi is more popular than him. Since there's no way to know who Sakurai might make playable... Waluigi just wins due to more popularity alone. Which right now is all this is, who's more popular.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Every conceivable Mario character ever > Dr. Mario

Yes, even Cheep Cheep.

Also, Waluigi is kind of a big deal, and no amount of unnatural hate from any number of people will change the fact that he is wildly popular, especially in Japan.

 

[Xhampi]

Every conceivable Mario character ever > Dr. Mario

Yes, even Cheep Cheep.

You mean :
Every conceivable Mario character ever > Dr. Mario > Geno

 

[Diddy Kong]

You're basically just summing up what he does as an AT, and all other stuff is not unique to him either. And that's why Jeff is better: more unique moveset potential.

Only Mario Kart is actually really popular. All other games Waluigi is in aren't. And only Kart got any stuff in Smash besides stickers and trophies, a whole stage. That, and Toad would fit the spin off moveset much better. We already have Peach swinging tennis rackets and golf clubs, and even Diddy is throwing banana peels. Waluigi really wouldn't be unique in any sort of way.

And uniqueness is what counts just as much as popularity, if not more so.

And no: Every conceivable Mario character ever >>>> Waluigi

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You're basically just summing up what he does as an AT, and all other stuff is not unique to him either. And that's why Jeff is better: more unique moveset potential.

Fencing is an AT move? Wow, you didn't even fully read, did you? Read again before you respond.

Only Mario Kart is actually really popular. All other games Waluigi is in aren't. And only Kart got any stuff in Smash besides stickers and trophies, a whole stage. That, and Toad would fit the spin off moveset much better. We already have Peach swinging tennis rackets and golf clubs, and even Diddy is throwing banana peels. Waluigi really wouldn't be unique in any sort of way.

Why do you keep sprouting off bullcrap here? Mario Kart made the best stage ONLY because the game uses a lot of stages. It wouldn't happen to be because Sakurai found the most stuff usable in the Kart games instead? This speaks nothing of how immensely the Mario spin-off games are. The only one that might not be as popular is Dr. Mario, and considering how often we see the series(as in barely), we can realistically deduce that the game isn't... that popular.

Likewise, Banana Peel is also an item. Waluigi also can use Piranha Plants, Shells, Bob-Ombs, or many other items. Hell, he could blind people with a freakin' flashlight or hit them with a coin bag. It's not hard at all to make him unique.

And uniqueness is what counts just as much as popularity, if not more so.

Of which he already has.

And no: Every conceivable Mario character ever >>>> Waluigi

Every playable Mario character in Smash(Past/Present) > Waluigi.

There, now it's actually factual. Atleast how it works in SMASH BROS.

 

[Aurane]

Hey, guys! I just found a way to use my Wi-Fi from my netbook! Now, I have Wi-Fi!

I can Kart up right now, if ya'll wanna, or Brawl (Maybe). PM me if you want to... Oasis

 

[Oasis_S]

HyperFalcon just has a thing for men in overalls. Shadow Mario, Waluigi, Paper Mario. Can't get enough of them. Dat variety.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fencing isn't unique to him either. You probably got that from Mario & Sonic @ Olympic Games. In which we could argue Daisy, Tails, Shadow or Eggman could / should have fencing as well as attacks? Besides, there are better fencing characters out there even.

Shells would be used already by Bowser Jr. most likely, as that's what he did you know, in canon games. Bob-Ombs would be too overpowered probably. So no, I just don't think he works, or should be made to work.

 

[Arcadenik]

I do not want Waluigi or any other Mario character. I only want Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, and Toad. The five original main characters from Super Mario Bros.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Fencing isn't unique to him either. You probably got that from Mario & Sonic @ Olympic Games. In which we could argue Daisy, Tails, Shadow or Eggman could / should have fencing as well as attacks? Besides, there are better fencing characters out there even.

Name them then. Actually provide these examples. Right now, anybody can make an original moveset of Waluigi with no issues. He's far more unique than say... a Koopa Troopa. He's a full character, which you need to realize and accept. He's also popular in all parts of the world.

Shells would be used already by Bowser Jr. most likely, as that's what he did you know, in canon games. Bob-Ombs would be too overpowered probably. So no, I just don't think he works, or should be made to work.

And Waluigi did too in Canon games. They're all Canon or none are. Canon argument fails. Also, honestly, do you really think his Bob-Ombs would be as powerful as the item and not something more like Link's strength? C'mon man, you're smarter than that. Of course they'd balance his moves. I love how you ignore the Piranha Plant because it completely proves you wrong.

There is no stated Mario Canon. There are games that have storylines that work together. Too bad that's it.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

And no: Every conceivable Mario character ever >>>> Waluigi

I seriously do not get why he gets so much hate. He isn't my first choice for a new Mario rep, but he's at least in the top 5. The "not unique" thing doesn't cut it, cause he kinda is. That isn't subjective.

 

[Aurane]

Waluigi is denied by many because he creeps them out too much.

Hey, at least I'm honest.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Examples: Prince Frog? That one fake rumoured Japan exclusive character at least. There's also Roy (rapier + great sword), Lyn / Eirika from Fire Emblem (not that those are likelier). He might be a full character, but doesn't do anything unique really. Unless you wanna make a moveset for all his special moves in Mario spin offs. Which they probably won't do.

And I don't ever recall Waluigi using Piranha Plants. And then again, there's also *sigh* Petey Piranha for that.

There might not be Mario canon, but there's a BIG difference between the main series and the spin off series. And I'd say Paper Mario (and Mario RPGs in general) are a whole different thing.

 

[Johnknight1]

Every conceivable Mario character ever > Dr. Mario

Not really. Dr. Mario in Melee was an excellent character. His move set and play style was vastly superior to Mario in Melee and especially Mario in Brawl. That dominant forward air, the great forward smash, the nice up B change, the cool pills and their wild bounces, etc. Plus, he was statistically great in Melee. He was a great last minute add in Melee.

Also, Dr. Mario could definitely be an original character. Chrono had a move set of it, and it was actually a pretty good move set. Dr. Mario's prescription=??? PAIN!!!

I seriously do not get why he gets so much hate. He isn't my first choice for a new Mario rep, but he's at least in the top 5. The "not unique" thing doesn't cut it, cause he kinda is. That isn't subjective.

Waluigi is just a butt spex baby of the worst parts of Wario and Luigi. Plus, all he does is go "WAH-WA-WEE-GEE" and stuffs.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Not really. Dr. Mario in Melee was an excellent character. His move set and play style was vastly superior to Mario in Melee and especially Mario in Brawl. That dominant forward air, the great forward smash, the nice up B change, the cool pills and their wild bounces, etc. Plus, he was statistically great in Melee. He was a great last minute add in Melee.

Also, Dr. Mario could definitely be an original character. Chrono had a move set of it, and it was actually a pretty good move set. Dr. Mario's prescription=??? PAIN!!!

I'm not talking about playstyle; go ahead and stick that on Mario if you want to. I take issue with the fact that he is literally Mario. There is no room for characters to play dress up and take spots on the roster. As much as people like to claim contrarily, who a character is is pretty substantial.

Dr. Mario is Mario. It's like having Yarn Kirby or Fusion Suit Samus playable. Sure, their movesets could be made unique, but it's a total waste of a slot. Roy and Mewtwo can (and should) come back, but let's leave the worst idea for a playable character in Smash Bros. history in the past.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I just saw someone say positive stuff about Dr. Mario AND I saw someone post "Dat variety"

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[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Examples: Prince Frog? That one fake rumoured Japan exclusive character at least. There's also Roy (rapier + great sword), Lyn / Eirika from Fire Emblem (not that those are likelier). He might be a full character, but doesn't do anything unique really. Unless you wanna make a moveset for all his special moves in Mario spin offs. Which they probably won't do.

Which is all they CAN do. Likewise, I wouldn't expect any more exclusives as Sakurai vowed to stop doing that. So Frog's out. Fire Emblem is very rare on choices. Lyn would be great, but clearly she wasn't important enough. I wouldn't mind her getting in alongside Roy, Marth, and Ike. She's important enough. As for Roy, unless Sakurai revamped his moveset...

And I don't ever recall Waluigi using Piranha Plants. And then again, there's also *sigh* Petey Piranha for that.

Mario Party 3. Please actually check your facts. Also, lol at Petey Piranha. Petey is even more hated than Waluigi for being gross and he's not a "move". Likewise, it's not the same as using a Piranha Plant as say... a Smash A attack with a bite.

There might not be Mario canon, but there's a BIG difference between the main series and the spin off series. And I'd say Paper Mario (and Mario RPGs in general) are a whole different thing.

There can't be a difference if there is no Canon. They're all equal in importance.

 

[Arcadenik]

Examples: Prince Frog? That one fake rumoured Japan exclusive character at least.

Now I suddenly like the idea of Prince Sabure as a fencing character in Smash. I will support Prince Sabure and Muddy Mole as the two retro newcomers for Smash 5, assuming they aren't in Smash 4 and we get Takamaru and Duck Hunt Dog first. I think it is the logical next step... After getting the NES retro all-stars, we can move on to the Game Boy retro all-stars.

 

[Mypantisgone]

If waluigi cannot be unique,then what can be unique anyway?Mario uses hammer and destroy blocks,he has a brother who looks like him,and can do things like him,so that is implying Ice climbers are not original!
You don't think that,do you?OH!and they have a full good moveset made out of almost nothing(nana isn't even supposed to always be with popo,but they did something unique)waluigi has a weird way of being,this is the kind of character that can do weirder moves than wario maybe,from that,you know that a weird move he never did could be canon!

 

[lordvaati]

I said Mario characters. 9-Volt, Syrup, and Jimmy T. are Wario characters, therefore, do not adhere to my statement. Neither does say, King K. Rool.
And you've already stated who Bowser Jr. is a rip-off of; Baby Bowser. He looks EXACTLY like him.



I want to correct a few points here. Noland didn't actually catch Articuno. But other characters did catch Legendaries. Some ******* caught a Darkrai and a Latios. One Nurse Joy has a Latias. Pyramid King Brandon had the three Regis. Someone we don't ever see apparently caught a Heatran.

And multiples of Legendaries exist in the anime. It just depends on which one you're talking about. Obviously ones like Mewtwo and Arceus are alone, but plenty others have more existing. Especially when we see a baby Lugia, which is impossible in the games.

well, you were asking for popular newcomer choices.

if it was any Mario character not from an RPG, then E.Gadd, Wanda, and Tatanga would have been my answer.

 

[Aurane]

It's true. Oasis is not a Zoroark. Gg, bro. Connection loss ftw though after the race

Anyone wanna Brawl?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Doc? Worst character choice in Smash?

None of the character choices in all of the Smash games were bad

/comeatmenyukkas

 

[Arcadenik]

well, you were asking for popular newcomer choices.

if it was any Mario character not from an RPG, then E.Gadd, Wanda, and Tatanga would have been my answer.

Except these three aren't that popular and two of them haven't been in another Mario game since Mario & Wario (Wanda) and Super Mario Land 2 (Tatanga).

 

[Mypantisgone]

Doc? Worst character choice in Smash?

None of the character choices in all of the Smash games were bad

/comeatmenyukkas

If he get decloned!
he could at least have different animation,he will look different,it would already be better,like,he could throw the pills upward,like in the game,it would declone,be tactical!it's already a good thing!

 

[Baskerville]

It's true. Oasis is not a Zoroark. Gg, bro. Connection loss ftw though after the race

Anyone wanna Brawl?

Feel free to add me bro!

 

[Oasis_S]

Doc? Worst character choice in Smash?

None of the character choices in all of the Smash games were bad

/comeatmenyukkas

Shut up Metal.


@Asage: Who WERE you? :V I guess I was looking for the wrong name.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Declone? Dr. Mario?

HELL NAW

/discussion

 

[Aurane]

Feel free to add me bro!

Can you brawl now?

Shut up Metal.


@Asage: Who WERE you? :V I guess I was looking for the wrong name.

Slyguy94 is my race name. I suck at Wuhu terribly But if you saw... That Rosalina had three red shells. She goes into pit after holding them for 7 seconds WHILE tailing me.

What an idiot.

 

[Baskerville]

Sure! I'll add ya. ^_^

 

[Aurane]

Sure! I'll add ya. ^_^

Okay. I'll be w8ing.

Also, I just noticed on SSBB, you can only have 64 fcs.
64.
64.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Seriously though, mypants I guess I could see him with an original moveset

I remember Sonic Poke's Doc moveset from a while back

Hush up Oasis, this is srs bsns here, my man

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm not talking about playstyle; go ahead and stick that on Mario if you want to. I take issue with the fact that he is literally Mario. There is no room for characters to play dress up and take spots on the roster. As much as people like to claim contrarily, who a character is is pretty substantial.

Dr. Mario is Mario. It's like having Yarn Kirby or Fusion Suit Samus playable. Sure, their movesets could be made unique, but it's a total waste of a slot. Roy and Mewtwo can (and should) come back, but let's leave the worst idea for a playable character in Smash Bros. history in the past.

Here is why your logic is Silly: You are assuming that Dr. Mario in Melee took a spot of an original character. False. He was a late add on that took minimal work and time to make. It's not like there's only so many character spots can add.

Some characters are easier or harder to make; clones in particular are the easiest to make. In Melee Sakurai had the decision between adding maybe one original character or six clones. Sakurai added 6 clones, and Melee was better for it.

Edit: You all need to stop acting like a clone takes as much time to make as an original character. Such ideas... are completely untrue. The Melee Dojo and Melee prove it.

Edit 2: I'm out. Later!

 

[Oasis_S]

There wasn't really a choice involved, someone just felt like there needed to be more characters and suggested clones. It wasn't time constraints. The non-clone newcomers were the only characters actually planned for. Clones were just a simple buff.

 

[augustoflores]

hey guys! the wii U will be launching worldwide this holiday season... Nippon, Europia, North Amerikuh, and Australia.
http://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/123-LYEA4J6JTSEC01.html

Spoiler

i know it's in japanese, but you can fix that with a quick look at google translate

poor Africa... always gets shafted.

 

[Mypantisgone]

Declone? Dr. Mario?

HELL NAW

/discussion

Then i dissagree with you,clone=cr*p

EDIT:OH!i didn't read your new post,then if he can be decloned it's fine,at least he can have similar moves,but have his own differences!

 

[Pachinkosam]

Seriously though, mypants I guess I could see him with an original moveset

I remember Sonic Poke's Doc moveset from a while back

Hush up Oasis, this is srs bsns here, my man

You must be very new here let me help you sir

EDit; OK READ NEXT TIME.

 

[yani]

Kid Icarus is Godly

 

[Metal Overlord]

Then i dissagree with you,clone=cr*p

EDIT:OH!i didn't read your new post,then if he can be decloned it's fine,at least he can have similar moves,but have his own differences!

Yeah, a decloned Doc would be cool, but there's still gonna be people who'll ***** that the "effort used" to declone him could have been used on a different/new character and that he doesn't "deserve" to be in Smash because he's just Mario

 

[Aurane]

Dat Lag T_T Well, better just stiff up and cross heart. At least it was okay... at first.

Also, gg, FalcionX

 

[Baskerville]

Dat Lag T_T Well, better just stiff up and cross heart. At least it was okay... at first.

Also, gg, FalcionX

GGs to you to Asage. Yeah, the lag was annoying. -.-