New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Wario Bros.]

I don't remember her using it there (other than holding it), but still it was pretty much Fox who used it for the entirety of that spinoff.

I think if the series gets rebooted Krystal is likely going to be erased from the series.

Did Zelda use Din's Fire, Faroe's Wind, or Nayru's Love in any Zelda game? No. Did that stop Zelda from using them in Smash? No.

It doesn't matter if they didn't have a big role in a game and/or didn't use any specific action in the game, Sakurai can make them so as long as it fits the character. Look at Captain Falcon: Never seen in action other than racing until his appearance in Smash.

 

[Weavel]

There are lots of people saying Krystal should be removed from the series if it gets rebooted, and she is definitely not an adored character. She probably has more hate than she has fans, and probably one of the few Nintendo characters that actually has a hatebase.

Wow dude, Where do you look? lol, I've found tons of ppl who like krystal.
I like krystal but not in a sexural way, I like the fact shes been recruited from like a jungle planet and now fights with fox, I find this kinda unique since fox is an all high tech person from space.

Shes also a telepath.

 

[ChronoBound]

Did Zelda use Din's Fire, Faroe's Wind, or Nayru's Love in any Zelda game? No Did that stop Zelda from using them in Smash? No.

It doesn't matter if they didn't have a big role in a game and/or didn't use any specific action in the game, Sakurai can make them so as long as it fits the character. Look at Captain Falcon: Never seen in action other than racing until his appearance in Smash.

The difference between Krystal and Zelda and Captain Falcon is that Zelda and Captain were in great games and the most important characters of their respective series, whereas Krystal is pretty much a side character that is only notable for her sex appeal and her soap opera antics.

 

[Metal Overlord]

sexural

LOL

 

[Weavel]

LOL

Did I spell that wrong?

 

[ChronoBound]

Another interesting thing that probably influences character choices for Smash Bros. is that age of the people requesting the characters. Smash fans who are as young as 13 will not have known anything other than the GameCube and Wii games mostly. That is another reason why I am going to quit following the series after Smash 4, I will literally be debating with people who were not even born yet when I was first doing speculation.

 

[Weavel]

Another interesting thing that probably influences character choices for Smash Bros. is that age of the people requesting the characters. Smash fans who are as young as 13 will not have known anything other than the GameCube and Wii games mostly. That is another reason why I am going to quit following the series after Smash 4, I will literally be debating with people who were not even born yet when I was first doing speculation.

Been here since nintendo, I assume you're the same.

 

[Big-Cat]

The difference between Krystal and Zelda and Captain Falcon is that Zelda and Captain were in great games and the most important characters of their respective series, whereas Krystal is pretty much a side character that is only notable for her sex appeal and her soap opera antics.

Last I checked, importance wasn't a factor, neither was the quality of their games. I never heard of Gyromite being that great of a game, or Ice Climber for that matter.

It'd be easier to just say you don't like the character and be done with it instead of making arbitrary reasons to support your opinion. You don't see me writing up walls of text explaining why I think Waluigi, Victini, Leon shouldn't be in the game. I just don't want them.

 

[Metal Overlord]

No offense, but yeah you did Weavel

I pictured how that would sound in my mind so that's why I laffed, I no *** hole, trust meh

ANYWAY... the part about age being a factor for character requests for Smash reminds me... I'll probably be posting in the Backroom a lot more than here come this summer if we get any decent Smash news at E3

 

[Big-Cat]

Same. The derp will be at unparalleled levels. Good thing I have other games to play and things to do.

 

[ChronoBound]

Last I checked, importance wasn't a factor, neither was the quality of their games. I never heard of Gyromite being that great of a game, or Ice Climber for that matter.

It'd be easier to just say you don't like the character and be done with it instead of making arbitrary reasons to support your opinion. You don't see me writing up walls of text explaining why I think Waluigi, Victini, Leon shouldn't be in the game. I just don't want them.

Character importance is a factor. I don't understand how Krystal is more important than Slippy and Peppy outside of Adventures.

Also, I am pretty sure Sakurai just selects retros based on how interesting they are to him as characters.

 

[Jeffbelittle]

She's about as necessary as a second Sonic character

Excuse me.

Shadow the Hedgehog and Knuckles both were VERY unique characters with different weights (especially knuckles) and deserve a spot. Especially shadow since virtually everyone likes Shadow more than Sonic.

Good day.

 

[Weavel]

Character importance is a factor. I don't understand how Krystal is more important than Slippy and Peppy outside of Adventures.

Also, I am pretty sure Sakurai just selects retros based on how interesting they are to him as characters.

Shes the psychic of starfox team, Thats..kinda important? helps find lost children probly.
And I'm just hoping one of the hunters get in from metroid prime hunters, But its hit a point where its probly gonna be Sylux. I'm happy with this, But still would have liked Weavel.

Just gotta see end result.

 

[Weavel]

Excuse me.

Shadow the Hedgehog and Knuckles both were VERY unique characters with different weights (especially knuckles) and deserve a spot. Especially shadow since virtually everyone likes Shadow more than Sonic.

Good day.

I'm gonna point this out before someone else does with a big elaborate post. In short, Old sonic fans pretty much just like sonic. Newer sonic fans favor shadow.

Good day.

 

[Big-Cat]

Character importance is a factor. I don't understand how Krystal is more important than Slippy and Peppy outside of Adventures.

Have you played Assault and Command or did you block them out of your memory?

And why not look at what they can contribute to the game instead of their arbitrary roles? Even Sakurai has acknowledged that Krystal was the only one out of those three that stood a fighting chance in a brawl. That, and she's the least likely out of the entire cast to not get the shoto treatment because of that staff of hers.

 

[ChronoBound]

Have you played Assault and Command or did you block them out of your memory?

And why not look at what they can contribute to the game instead of their arbitrary roles? Even Sakurai has acknowledged that Krystal was the only one out of those three that stood a fighting chance in a brawl. That, and she's the least likely out of the entire cast to not get the shoto treatment because of that staff of hers.

Krystal's role in Command was quite possibly her worst appearance yet so that is not doing her any favors.

As to the comment I bolded:
1. You do not know if Sakurai wrote the Star Fox conversations.
2. You are reading too deeply into them.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Ignoring the fact that Sonic himself could easily be cut from Smash, Jeff, in no way is Shadow more liked or even as popular as Sonic. In fact, he's probably the most dividing and controversial out of all of the Sonic characters

In fact, no character is as well liked and popular as well... the Blue Blur himself

And unique =/= deserves a spot. Any old fart can be made unique, it's more about whether Mr. Sakurai will actually go through the trouble of implementing them into a Smash game

And Knuckles, as much as I would loooooooove for him to be playable, that in reality, has very little chance of happening. IF in the unlikely event we got a second Sonic character, it will probably be Tails

 

[Weavel]

Krystal's role in Command was quite possibly her worst appearance yet so that is not doing her any favors.

As to the comment I bolded:
1. You do not know if Sakurai wrote the Star Fox conversations.
2. You are reading too deeply into them.

Dude we are all gamers, And alot of us have very diverse interests. When I hear something like this its just because you don't like krystal.
If someone made some elaborate speech in your favor you wouldn't question it.
And with the whole character important thing, They could say the same thing about reading to much into it. Its just a new and appealing psychic fox with a staff, Not a fat frog or an old rabbit.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Krystal's role in Command was quite possibly her worst appearance yet so that is not doing her any favors.As to the comment I bolded:
1. You do not know if Sakurai wrote the Star Fox conversations.
2. You are reading too deeply into them.

Dude, just admit you hate Krystal as a character and not blame her roles in her game as bad reasons to include her. It's not her roles in the games, it's you. Deal with it.

 

[Big-Cat]

And unique =/= deserves a spot. Any old fart can be made unique, it's more about whether Mr. Sakurai will actually go through the trouble of implementing into a Smash game

This is only true to a certain extent. As I've said in the past, anyone can be made unique, BUT when dealing with a crossover like this, you have way more restrictions on what you can and can't do.

I COULD give Peppy a pick-axe for a weapon; it'd make him unique, but that would be completely out of character where as someone like Resetti or Dillon would be a much more appropriate pick (lol).

While you can argue that they pulled this off on Pit, mind you that they designed him with 20 years of character design evolution built in so it's not so much out-of-character as it's more like Pit was put into cryogenic sleep while aging.

 

[ChronoBound]

Dude, just admit you hate Krystal as a character and not blame her roles in her game as bad reasons to include her. It's not her roles in the games, it's you. Deal with it.

She should not be included because Star Fox already has enough characters and she is a character that does get a lot of hate. She is very divisive much like Shadow is to the Sonic series. It also does not help that Adventures, Assault, and Command are hated in Japan.

 

[Wario Bros.]

She should not be included because Star Fox already has enough characters and she is a character that does get a lot of hate. She is very divisive much like Shadow is to the Sonic series. It also does not help that Adventures, Assault, and Command are hated in Japan.

Again, it's just you.

 

[Deleted member]

Have you played Assault and Command or did you block them out of your memory?

And why not look at what they can contribute to the game instead of their arbitrary roles? Even Sakurai has acknowledged that Krystal was the only one out of those three that stood a fighting chance in a brawl. That, and she's the least likely out of the entire cast to not get the shoto treatment because of that staff of hers.

Excuse me? These two points make me laugh. Well, that and Command was easily the worst StarFox game to where even it's creators say it's not canon. So even if Krystal managed to **** **** up for everyone in almost all the endings, it doesn't matter.

Tell me. Exactly what did Krystal do in Assault that was so noteworthy that puts her above Falco, Slippy, or even Peppy, who was important to the story without even being in a ship this time (his "sacrifice", remember?)?
Nothing. Oh wait, you're going to tell me that without her, they wouldn't know to go to Sauria, right? Give me a break.

And lol at Sakurai saying she had a fighting chance. It was Krystal herself that said that, and I doubt Sakurai's in charge of dialogue between the StarFox and Metal Gear characters.
I mean, if we take what she said to heart, then we should also expect Peppy, who's itching for some action, Slippy, who feels he should be in instead, and Leon, who is particulary jealous of Wolf (or Wolf's victims ) and seems to want to cause some damage himself (or be damaged by Wolf ).

 

[Weavel]

She should not be included because Star Fox already has enough characters and she is a character that does get a lot of hate. She is very divisive much like Shadow is to the Sonic series. It also does not help that Adventures, Assault, and Command are hated in Japan.

Dude seriously, Where do you look for Krystal fans? I've met ATON of fans for crystal. Also in the handheld space drama thing they have a very big story with her joining star wolf ect.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

2. The character must be unique.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Character importance means nothing. What is true is that Sakurai knew little about her. But she is very popular, though. Despite what you might think, she's not severely hated, or THAT hated at all. She's not as popular as Wolf in the East, and the opposite in the West. If anything, if Sakurai wants to do research about her, she could get in. She fits every bit of criteria. I'd rather have Dixie and K. Rool first, but she's a very solid choice regardless. And I happen to like her, and it ain't because of the porn.

 

[ChronoBound]

Again, it's just you.

Go ask about Krystal on NeoGAF or GameFAQs. You will be see a lot of opinions about Krystal that are the same as mine.

 

[Big-Cat]

Problem with that assertion, Chrono.

1. lol gamefaqs
2. NeoGAF can only be registered by select people.
3. You're getting very, very, very small samples from these forums.

@Hyper
For once, we agree on something, but I would like Krystal over those two, just a bit.

 

[Weavel]

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

2. The character must be unique.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Character importance means nothing. What is true is that Sakurai knew little about her. But she is very popular, though. Despite what you might think, she's not severely hated, or THAT hated at all. She's not as popular as Wolf in the East, and the opposite in the West. If anything, if Sakurai wants to do research about her, she could get in. She fits every bit of criteria. I'd rather have Dixie and K. Rool first, but she's a very solid choice regardless. And I happen to like her, and it ain't because of the porn.

I'm just gonna say this, No offense to anybody. But porn of any successful franchise just comes with the territory.
When people try to hate on a character for something like this just proves how famous they truly are.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm furry and I know it!

 

[Weavel]

I'm furry and I know it!

You're a fighter from tekken that never moves his mouth!

 

[Deleted member]

Ironic about Sakurai's criteria, is that he's broken his own criteria on multiple occasions.
Might as well call Sakurai "Ono".

@Weavel: That's because it's a mask.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Kuma- That's a very good point actually, why haven't I thought of that sooner :/

 

[Weavel]

Ironic about Sakurai's criteria, is that he's broken his own criteria on multiple occasions.
Might as well call Sakurai "Ono".

@Weavel: That's because it's a mask.

But he growls!

 

[Baskerville]

I don't know why people are continuing to argue. Trying to argue with Chrono about Krystal's inclusion is like telling Diddy to drop Impa forever.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ironic about Sakurai's criteria, is that he's broken his own criteria on multiple occasions.
Might as well call Sakurai "Ono".

@Weavel: That's because it's a mask.

Interesting thing about King. That mouth may never move, but the expression in his eyes and sometimes the brow will change.

But he growls!

Four people in the Tekken series have done this and no one has said anything AND everyone understands them.

 

[Weavel]

Interesting thing about King. That mouth may never move, but the expression in his eyes and sometimes the brow will change.


Four people in the Tekken series have done this and no one has said anything AND everyone understands them.

You from a breed of CheetahMen!

 

[Big-Cat]

You from a breed of CheetahMen!

Actually, JaguarMen.

I was a panda previously.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I love how in Tekken people would all be talking to each other in different languages and they all would be able to completely understand each other LOL

 

[Big-Cat]

As serious as the Tekken games can be, they're just as silly as Street Fighter in different areas.

And I just remembered that awful miming in SSE.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think there is going to be much less demand for Krystal this time around that there was during Brawl due to a combination of these factors:

1. Many people feel that three characters is enough for the series, and are think Fox, Falco, and Wolf complete the series.

2. Krystal's game apperances ranged from 2002 to 2006, of which two out of three the games were poorly received and sold poorly (especially Command). This means that a generation of Nintendo will not know who she is.

3. Most people looking toward female newcomers will be fixated on Palutena and Medusa, both of who use staffs themselves. We are already seeing the explosive growth in popularity of Palutena.