New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Diddy Kong]

I really, really, really, really, really wanted Diddy in Melee however... :/

 

[Deleted member]

Americans don't like killer dinosaurs as much as Japan loves their Godzilla...

This is true.

@Hyper: Who said it had to be equal?

As for who would I have chosen, probably Little Mac and Mr. Dream (as a big, strong, slow, heavy clone). I don't know that many characters that only America likes.

 

[Conviction]

@Golden: We really don't have many from my knowledge. Japan has a cool kids club and has mad games that (imo) are really good. Outside Japan...not so much sadly.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Japan seems like an awesome country.

Spoiler

Shame on the weed laws though :/

 

[lordvaati]

Giga Bowser is totally doable as a clone of Bowser. But who for the other one? Also, let me rephrase; What character that is Western-only OR is ridiculously popular in the West(but nowhere else) would you have chosen? Keep in mind I'm looking for realistic enough answers. Also, maybe Master Hand?

@Diddy: I could see the Kirby guys, but Diddy Kong still had issues and wouldn't have made it in anyway.

well, except for Mike Jones, Litle mac, (maybe) Dillon and uh......Nester? there isn't many famous US nintendo franchises they don't know about.

@ Diddy true, thogh japan does suffer from problems like recovering from a major earthquake(their economy is around as bad as us yanks here) 2 inch long hornets with freaking acidic venom(I am not making this up) and lots of restictions to book writing due to an otaku porn incident.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I really, really, really, really, really wanted Diddy in Melee however... :/

Oh, I did too, trust me.

I probably would've taken him over Dr. Mario, to be honest.

Anyway, it's sad it wasn't possible due to issues, but atleast he's in Brawl.

@Iblis: Agreed. But that should be ignored for the hypothetical since it's rather obvious that region-specific is widely unpopular.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I would probably take Diddy over any character in Melee. Easily. Even Mewtwo.

Even Mario or Link, lol

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Seriously, though, f*ck Dr. Mario. It was the absolute worst idea ever, and he should never come back. I don't care if he is slightly better than Mario. That doesn't mean him being playable is still the stupidest sh*t that ever happened.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Seriously, though, f*ck Dr. Mario. It was the absolute worst idea ever, and he should never come back. I don't care if he is slightly better than Mario. That doesn't mean him being playable is still the stupidest sh*t that ever happened.

My thoughts exactly.

Just proofs that any character can be made popular by putting them in Smash. :/

So what's the problem with Impa again?

 

[Conviction]

@Hype: I agreed

About Doc

Well at least he is embodied in Melee and that's all I can ask for.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not me. Cause Melee will probably always be the best Smash game to play competitively. Which is why a sucky Mewtwo sucks pretty bad in fact. And an overpowered Sheik to. Probably even more. :/

Luckily Impa can spice up the whole thing. :D

No really...

Nobody found Sheik was kinda unimpressive when she was nerfed like she was in Brawl?

At least Fox (and Jiggz) has his old timer swag. And Falco and Marth never got worse lolol

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I can't believe he's even wanted back as a separate playable character. As a costume, absolutely, but playable character f*ck no.

It works with Link/Toon Link, but that's about it (I've made known my thoughts on Paper Mario, and Dark Samus is another conceivable "Adjective Name" character). Really, let's just make every version of Mario playable:

Shadow Mario - Exact clone of Mario except he controls a bit lighter and has Shadow Fireballs.
Striker Mario - Exact Clone of Mario except his Neutral Special is a Soccer Ball (like the item).
Tanooki Mario - Exact Clone of Mario except his Side Special is a swipe of his tail.
Bee Mario, Boo Mario, Fire Mario, Ice Mario, Rock Mario, Cloud Mario, Kuriboh's Shoe Mario, Frog Mario, Invincible Mario, Propeller Mario, Penguin Mario, Tiny Mario, Boomerang Mario, Hammer Mario, Giant Mario.

See how stupid that is? If they ever decide to include massive amounts of extra costumes, then that's what all of those should be. NEVER should a separate character be made for a different version of a character that is literally the exact same person. The only true exception is Toon Link, and he and Link aren't the same person. Same name, similar appearances, but completely different people who lived in completely different times. Mario is one guy. One f*cking guy. Paper Mario could bring a lot to the table, so I don't give him the same treatment even though he really is just Mario. But Paper being an incredibly likely addition to the SSB4? Before Toad or Bowser Jr.? Me no thinky so.

Anyways, Dr. Mario blows.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd actually take Toad and Bowser Jr. over Paper Mario to. But Paper Mario is the sole exception I'd ever made even for a "double character" so to say.

Dark Samus shouldn't be. Anthony has decided so.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Dr. Mario was a fun clone to play as. He had his own metagame and was a popular and worthy addition. He was also the only Puzzle Games rep we ever had...

Shadow Mario being an actual real version of Mario... Only thing he had in common was... the jumping abilities. He fought entirely differently from both regular and F.L.U.D.D. Mario. Seriously, man...

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Dr. Mario was a fun clone to play as. He had his own metagame and was a popular and worthy addition. He was also the only Puzzle Games rep we ever had...

Doc is one of my favorite clones.

(aside from Roy) he's a clone I want back in the next smash, including his super powered nair.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Puzzle rep..? I'd take the ****ing Tetris blocks made into a playable character over Dr.Mario yet again...

His only change in the meta game he had where the change between the fire ball and pill and the Forward Air. THAT'S ALL...

How do 2 slightly different moves justify him?

Especially how Wolf is still conisdered a clone by the masses while he only shares about 3 moves with Fox and Falco...?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Doc is one of my favorite clones.

(aside from Roy) he's a clone I want back in the next smash, including his super powered nair.

Same. I want every clone back myself. I just want everyone from all 3 games playable no matter what(I don't even care if it's through the 3DS and Wii U versions via connectability or DLC) and a lot of new unique characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Better pray for 70+ characters then...

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Same. I want every clone back myself. I just want everyone from all 3 games playable no matter what(I don't even care if it's through the 3DS and Wii U versions via connectability or DLC) and a lot of new unique characters.

It would be really nice if they just wouldnt cut characters, in my opinion.

I'm hoping all of the clones get to come back, even Pichu.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It would be really nice if they just wouldnt cut characters, in my opinion.

I'm hoping all of the clones get to come back, even Pichu.

Oddly enough, he's my favorite clone.

Also, lol at Paid DLC. It'd be free most likely given how Nintendo and Sakurai think. Anything you download besides paying for a game is actually free completely. Or was made free later. Nintendo prefers free DLC for whatever reason.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fire Emblem 3DS will have paid DLC.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Dr. Mario was a fun clone to play as. He had his own metagame and was a popular and worthy addition. He was also the only Puzzle Games rep we ever had...

Shadow Mario being an actual real version of Mario... Only thing he had in common was... the jumping abilities. He fought entirely differently from both regular and F.L.U.D.D. Mario. Seriously, man...

My mistake on the Shadow Mario bit. He is a separate person... well, he's Bowser Jr., but still separate from Mario.

I'm not saying Dr. Mario wasn't fun to play as for some (not for me, I'll just take Mario or Luigi), and I don't take serious issue with clones (although you would think it'd be possible to make them as different as possible considering the circumstances).

Strictly on the character side of things, he's Mario. In a doctor's outfit. That is unacceptable. We could've been given Wario as a third Mario clone, or anyone else. Hell, he could've pulled a Ganondorf and put a Mario moveset on a character from a completely different series. But no. For whatever reason, be it roster-filling or what have you, we got Mario in a doctor outfit. Yeah, he was from a puzzle game, but the only part of his moveset that incorporated that was the Megavitamins.

He played differently in what way? Honestly, I avoided him most of the time, so I could very well be wrong, but from what I remember, he played almost exactly like Mario. Megavitamins? Neat. White Cape? Ummm... alright. So he was a little heavier and had a slightly different meta game. He's smelly.

Don't get me wrong, if they implement a costume thing, he'd be my first pick for a costume available for Mario (I, too hate the idea of characters getting cut, but Dr. Mario is the only one that doesn't get my sympathy). But he should never ever be a separate playable character ever again.

Edited because Metal is silly.

But then ninja'd.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Iblis- Is that Sonic 4? If so, then LOL

@Breadbug- Dr. Mario as an alt for Mario? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Fire Emblem 3DS will have paid DLC.

And why would Smash? It's less accessible that way. That might make sense for Fire Emblem, but Sakurai has made it blatant he wants the game to be accessible as possible. Making them pay to play as anyone specifically is completely against his ideals and wouldn't happen.

In fact, we'd sooner see no DLC characters than paid ones.

 

[Shorts]

Doc is awesome in Melee. Well, heck, I like playing as everyone.... IN MELEE.

 

[Metal Overlord]

My answer remains the same, Breadbug, I had to edit my post

 

[lordvaati]

Dr. Mario was a fun clone to play as. He had his own metagame and was a popular and worthy addition. He was also the only Puzzle Games rep we ever had...Shadow Mario being an actual real version of Mario... Only thing he had in common was... the jumping abilities. He fought entirely differently from both regular and F.L.U.D.D. Mario. Seriously, man...

that pretty much screams for them to make lip playable.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Fire Emblem 3DS will have paid DLC.

That's kinda lame.

also @shortie so do I

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

that pretty much screams for them to make lip playable.

Yep. Which, presuming he drops Doc entirely, would be a better solution, IMO.

@Breadbug: He weighed more, his moves had very many different properties, and honestly, you don't play Mario the same way as Dr. Mario. That's more than enough of a difference.

Also, if the character is fun to play as, why should they stay cut? In addition, Sakurai made it clear that the Doc is either his own character, or he isn't playable at all. He won't make him a costume, even if it's logical enough. Hell, I'd be fine with him as a costume, but it unfortunately won't happen.

 

[Diddy Kong]

He didn't weight anything more. Same exact weight iirc, maybe with a change of one point. And wheren't you a casual HyperFalcon? Casuals especially would say Mario and Doc are basically the same character. Only the proffesionals would say otherwise, and yes; it's only cause of TWO moves.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Yep. Which, presuming he drops Doc entirely, would be a better solution, IMO.

@Breadbug: He weighed more, his moves had very many different properties, and honestly, you don't play Mario the same way as Dr. Mario. That's more than enough of a difference.

Also, if the character is fun to play as, why should they stay cut? In addition, Sakurai made it clear that the Doc is either his own character, or he isn't playable at all. He won't make him a costume, even if it's logical enough. Hell, I'd be fine with him as a costume, but it unfortunately won't happen.

He should stay cut because there are literally thousands of better choices for the development team to spend their time working on. As I (sarcastically) stated a few posts ago, you could make a Super Mario Smash Bros. game that featured all the different forms of Mario with the same model and basic moves, but alter their physics a bit and change one of their specials. Dr. Mario should never have happened in the first place because fans were screaming for so many other choices. I don't think that anyone was happy that Metal Mario got into Mario Kart 7 over lots of other good choices (and Waluigi, a series veteran), and the situation is almost perfectly parallel to Smash Bros.

I understand that people enjoy playing as him, but you'd have a hard time making me believe that he's so fun that he should come back at the expense of a newcomer.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Waluigi is a bad word, Breadbug

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Waluigi is a bad word, Breadbug

I've noticed. I'm pretty neutral (possibly more toward the positive) about him, but I don't get the hate.

Man, his hatebase can get really intense. As can his fanbase...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Waluigi is hated for a good reason.
Why Sheik isn't hated in a similar fashion is beyond me though...

IMPA!!!!

 

[Metal Overlord]

You spelled Aipom wrong

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Waluigi is hated for a good reason.
Why Sheik isn't hated in a similar fashion is beyond me though...

IMPA!!!!

Because people like OoT and Sheik. Duh.
Impa, on the other hand, can go die in a ****ing fire. You make me hate her.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

You spelled Aipom wrong

Ha ha you are on a roll today.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Haha, thanks, but that's the only thing funny I remember saying

 

[lordvaati]

He didn't weight anything more. Same exact weight iirc, maybe with a change of one point. And wheren't you a casual HyperFalcon? Casuals especially would say Mario and Doc are basically the same character. Only the proffesionals would say otherwise, and yes; it's only cause of TWO moves.

yeah. only diffs were projectiles, and he couldn't Walljump but Mario could(which allowed him to do the super-freakling-hard-to-do-but-is-so-worth-it- upB walljump).

 

[Zzuxon]

If they put in Dr. Mario back in, I would rage. And so would the majority of smash fans.