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Ain't that the truth..? :smirk:
Being headstrong isn't bad
when your right
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HyperFalcon; just about every new Pokemon is a dragon now. They wanna make up for the sole Dragonite + pre evos we had in first gen and second gen or something? Ohhh, yeah, and Kingdra. Does that really count though?

Mewtwo is still king. Always will be.

SILLY ASAGE! HOW CAN YOU MIX RED AND BLUE, AND GET YELLOW? :laugh: That doesn't even make sence! They should've had Pokemon PURPLE instead. Mewtwo for boxart, and as exclusive starter? You might finish the game much earlier than normal, but DAYUM would it sell!
 

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I want Scizor SOOOOOOOOOOO bad
Personally I want Pichu back with the ultimate gamble/random moveset. That would be amusing to me, and would be the ultimate ultimate troll move by Sakurai. :smirk: :reverse: :cool:
John I know how to impress disturb everyone to, ain't nobody seen someone as obstinate as me. :awesome:
Fixed.

And seriously, we need more pre-Brawl folks back. Wiseguy, Omega, Homelessvagrant, and Luni plox son.
 

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I liked Pichu the only problem was he was poorly balanced with a bit of work he could be decent.

His power just needs to be as worth the fact hes so light and hurts himself.
 

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Do you consider yourself a vet or do others consider yourself a vet? Big difference!
I myself am I veteran, and my priorities in speculation have shifted big time thanks to my time in playing other fighting games. I'm more concerned about the gameplay mechanics, like what they can do to make it more fun or in depth or easier in execution (if applicable).

And when it comes to characters, I'll make my arguments on mostly gameplay reasons.
 

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I didn't think I came off as sassy. Sorry.

I'm just not a fan of attention-seekers. ):


Anyway, have I stated how much I want Krystal in? Not so much the fact that she's a female, but the fact that she wields a staff. I'm absolutely in love with the idea of a staff-user.
 

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Krystal huh? Let's see what you think of this one I made a while back.


KRYSTAL

[COLLAPSE="Specials"]B: Fire Blaster
Krystal shoots a Fireball with small knockback from her staff. However, by holding B, you can hold the charge and have a stronger, in general fireball. The main purpose for this attack is for zoning and scaring your opponent that you’ll shoot a fireball.

Side B: Ice Spray
Shoots a spray of ice from her staff. While Krystal is in any part of the startup or while it’s active, Krystal can adjust her aim. This is used as an anti-air, keep-out attack, or an edge guard move. Over time, the range of the spray decreases. If the spray is done at point blank, however, the opponent will be frozen.

Down B: Quake
Krystal strikes her staff to the ground to create a localized shockwave, there are three “points” where the shockwave will rise. This depends on your directional input. If you hold back during the startup, the shockwave will be close to you, while holding forward goes for max range. Holding just down or neutral lands between the two points. Useful for countering camping, or like the fireball, scaring the opponent. This attack is also jump cancelable. This attack does not work in the air for obvious reasons.

Up B: Rocket Boost
Krystal raises her staff and flies up. Doing straight Up causes her to go up vertically while Up-Left and Up-Right will cause her to travel in those directions. Like’s Snake’s Cipher recovery, Krystal can exit out of the recovery.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Ground attacks."]AAA: Krystal does a forward jab with her staff high, then low, and then does two kicks.
FTilt: Swings her staff downward. A good poke.
DTilt: Krystal crouches and sticks her staff out, this is her best poke.
Up Tilt: Like Pit’s UTiltt, but has two hitboxes. If the opponent is next to you as you hit, the move has more knockback and damage, but the hitbox on the feet has less knockback and damage.
Dash: Does a swipe at the opponent's foot, causing them to trip, but because of the reward, this attack is unsafe at close range.
FSmash: Krystal raises the staff behind her and drops the staff like an axe.
DSmash: Krystal places her staff to the ground, spins around and then does a downward angled double kick to the opponent. This has good horizontal knockback, but poor vertical knockback. This is best used for tech chasing or as an edgeguard.
USmash: Krystal holds her staff like a baseball with the charge going to her staff’s head. She swings upward. Unlike the above attack, this has poor horizontal knockback, but good vertical knockback.
Wakeup Attack: Like AA, but the second hit goes behind her.
Ledge Attack: Climbs and does a quick, weaker version of her FTilt
100% Ledge Attack: Weaker version of her DSmash[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Aerials"]NAir: Spins once with her staff horizontally.
FAir: Spins once with her staff vertically. The range, unlike her NAir, goes far in front instead of covering both sides.
BAir: Swings staff horizontally behind her. Has two attacks. First few active frames have good knockback not too far from Zelda's kicks. The rest of the active frames function as a sex kick.
DAir:Pokes directly below her.
UAir: Extends her staff 30 degrees upward to the direction she’s facing.[/COLLAPSE]

[collapse="Throws"]Pummel: Knees the opponent.
FThrow: Lunges at them in the stomach.
BThrow: Stomps on their foot, uses the staff to push them behind by their neck moving them behind her, and then kicks them.
DThrow: Tosses them to the ground, does a quick jump and spin of the staff above her, land with her staff hitting the opponent and causing a ground bounce.
UThrow: Punches the opponent and then uses the staff like a shovel to launch the opponent.[/collapse]

Playstyle: Krystal is a character that excels greatly at mid-range combat thanks to her range while having her Fire Blaster and Quake as zoning backup. Your objective with Krystal is to scare the opponent with these projectiles while being close enough to poke in for damage. Her preferred way to K.O. is horizontally. Her attacks don’t do the greatest knockback aside from a few so use her aerial pokes, Ice Blast and potentially other attacks for edgeguarding the opponent which she is also good at.

Her main weakness is that she has a somewhat predictable recovery and that she only has a couple of kill moves. Therefore, she's more combo oriented than what you might expect from a mid-range fighter.

I'm not including stats like speed and whatever because there's a number of traits involve and I don't feel like thinking much about those. This also includes a gameplay idea or two I had in mind for the next game so you can choose to ignore it.
 
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If a staff user was needed, I would take Palutena, Medusa, Eggplant Wizard, Leaf (Fire Emblem; can use a staff among other weapons), Cranky Kong (cane, staff, same difference), or even Kid Goku or Donatello, both of which are inelligible, before Krystal.
 

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I basically lead the Diddy support back in the days a long with xianfeng, and a couple others. Contributed a lot all over. Predicted cuts right, only was wrong with Mewtwo and Sheik.

I'm not an attention seeker, my idea got blasted of and half of the time not taken seriously, and I ain't backing down easily.

Palutena and Medusa would likely use staffs as well, but I really like Krystal as well.

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SURE, you're not an attention seeker....
That's why you took your case about Impa over to GameFaqs because you couldn't here. [/sarcasm]
 

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If a staff user was needed, I would take Palutena, Medusa, Eggplant Wizard, Leaf (Fire Emblem; can use a staff among other weapons), Cranky Kong (cane, staff, same difference), or even Kid Goku or Donatello, both of which are inelligible, before Krystal.
Why?

There is also more than one way to use a staff. Palutena and Medusa are blatantly MAGIC staff users which leads to magic being used typically, not the staff itself. Also, Palutena also has her shield to use like Capt. America.
 

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How would you know? YOU STALKING ME!?!? Remember.. I got connection with internet cops! It's like the popo, but on the internet!

Anyways, yeah, I took the discussion there and am surprised that they took the idea so well. And my promise only counted for Smashboards. It's not my problem you walk into my argument somewhere else now is it?

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Mach Rider would be cool yes. But I kinda prefer Takamaru.

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(: I agree. 'Nostalgiacizing' is fun. And my old account? I stayed around SWF for about a year after Brawl released during my sophomore year of high school, and then just kinda left it alone. I still played Smash all the time, and I still do. And now I'm at college and I got a new e-mail and whatnot, new priorities. I'm just now finding time to come back to the forums. Boy do I miss posting on discussion boards.
Same here.

Also, Palutena also has her shield to use like Capt. America.
That was my idea. :awesome:
 

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SILLY ASAGE! HOW CAN YOU MIX RED AND BLUE, AND GET YELLOW? :laugh: That doesn't even make sence! They should've had Pokemon PURPLE instead. Mewtwo for boxart, and as exclusive starter? You might finish the game much earlier than normal, but DAYUM would it sell!
Lol, not back then. Things were... different :troll:
*Misses TM Seismic Toss*:(

Pikachu had more of a face then Mewtwo. *shrugs* Mascots worked differently in the 1st and 2nd gens, but that's only because they were new.


I'm not an attention seeker, my idea got blasted of and half of the time not taken seriously, and I ain't backing down easily.
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Bullcrap, #1 Impa Supporter :glare:
 

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I liked Pichu the only problem was he was poorly balanced with a bit of work he could be decent.

His power just needs to be as worth the fact hes so light and hurts himself.
Pretty much this sums up my thoughts nicely... along with an original moveset.
I'm a pre Brawl vet, where is my love? :(
No, I'm saying I'm a pre-Brawl veteran, while you are a pre-Brawl veterinarian. NOW FIX UP MY PUPPY SON!!! :laugh:
I basically lead the Diddy support back in the days a long with xianfeng, and a couple others.
Hey, don't forget about me now! :(

Although to be honest, I was the biggest Toon Link-aholic on smashboards, and I was busy leading that "charge!" :laugh: Heck, I ran the "Wind Waker/cel-shaded/Young Link" discussion on like 3 different threads at three different times! :laugh:
Contributed a lot all over. Predicted cuts right, only was wrong with Mewtwo and Sheik.
Didn't all of us guess it right but Mewtwo=??? (seriously though, I still saw Sheik coming sun!). :cool:
I'm not an attention seeker, my idea got blasted of and half of the time not taken seriously, and I ain't backing down easily.
You are a attention seeker for a certain character with no chance. :troll:
Palutena and Medusa would likely use staffs as well, but I really like Krystal as well.
Give Krystal a (unique) personality, a huge impact on a Star Fox game's plot, put her in new classic Star Fox games, revive/revive the Star Fox franchise and have Nintendo stop having her appeal to furries. Then most of us would want Krystal in smash bros.

On a side note...
GO TOON LINK GO!!! TOON LINK RULEZS!!!
 
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Why?

There is also more than one way to use a staff. Palutena and Medusa are blatantly MAGIC staff users which leads to magic being used typically, not the staff itself. Also, Palutena also has her shield to use like Capt. America.
Because:
1. StarFox should not get a 4th character. Not while other series desperately need more reps, like Donkey Kong, F-Zero, and Metroid. That, and the series honestly doesn't warrant 4 characters. It's lucky to have the 3 it has.

2. While you don't give a rat's *** about characters themselves, I do. Krystal has no character. Nor is she all that important compared to say, Falco, Slippy, or Peppy. (With Falco, we don't need the others).

Adventures? Manages to teach Fox how to use her staff before becoming a useless Damsel in Distress. And she was mostly just eye candy for furries. (Most of her "popularity" comes from the fact she's a blue space fox with breasts.)

Assault? Didn't stand out from Falco or Slippy. Hell, even Peppy did more than her, and he wasn't in a ship.

Command? Not only is that game non-canon, she was a total *****. I mean, insulting Fox's father IN FRONT OF FOX? That's something you'd expect from Andross or enemies of Fox, not his on/off relationship girlfriend.

3. I would actually LIKE to see the characters I listed (except for Donatello or Kid Goku), and can't stand the thought of a poorly written character who's sole purpose is to encourage people to draw furry porn getting in the game.
 

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Give Krystal a (unique) personality, a huge impact on a Star Fox game's plot, put her in new classic Star Fox games, revive/revive the Star Fox franchise and have Nintendo stop having her appeal to furries. Then most of us would want Krystal in smash bros.
That's going to happen whether they try to not. Besides, there's, unfortunately, bara fanart of the males so no one is safe, whether a character is an anthro, human, elf, ogre, etc. It's just going to happen. Welcome to the Internet, enjoy your stay.
 

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That's going to happen whether they try to not. Besides, there's, unfortunately, bara fanart of the males so no one is safe, whether a character is an anthro, human, elf, ogre, etc. It's just going to happen. Welcome to the Internet, enjoy your stay.
Kuma has spoken.

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2. While you don't give a rat's *** about characters themselves, I do. Krystal has no character. Nor is she all that important compared to say, Falco, Slippy, or Peppy. (With Falco, we don't need the others).

Adventures? Manages to teach Fox how to use her staff before becoming a useless Damsel in Distress. And she was mostly just eye candy for furries. (Most of her "popularity" comes from the fact she's a blue space fox with breasts.)

Assault? Didn't stand out from Falco or Slippy. Hell, even Peppy did more than her, and he wasn't in a ship.

Command? Not only is that game non-canon, she was a total *****. I mean, insulting Fox's father IN FRONT OF FOX? That's something you'd expect from Andross or enemies of Fox, not his on/off relationship girlfriend.
Pretty much this. Krystal is just a lame excuse for a character.
That's going to happen whether they try to not. Besides, there's, unfortunately, bara fanart of the males so no one is safe, whether a character is an anthro, human, elf, ogre, etc. It's just going to happen. Welcome to the Internet, enjoy your stay.
You just revealed your full list, eh=??? :laugh: :chuckle: ;) But no, really, I understand that anything can inspire creepy crap, but the majority of the Krystal fans I hear are creepy furries. Even though Zero Suit Samus has a noticeable amount of perverted fans, at least the majority was interested in her as a character, and thought Samus' personality > sex appeal.

Heck, several Krystal fans actually argue (furry) sex appeal > personality back in the pre-Brawl days; they still do, actually. Also I think Krystal's fanbase will probably be smaller this time around. Adventures, Command, and Assault have already been forgotten in my mind, and people will want more stuff from Star Fox/Star Fox 64/Star Fox 64 3D (and the Star Fox games Retro Studios is making)-because those are the only Star Fox games that matter and that actually sold decently.
 

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New people! Or, "new accounts" people! From Pre-Brawl! Huzzah!


Now that that's said and done, would the new people like me to preach the Muddy Mole gospel again? :awesome:



On a slightly more serious note, I personally would want the only version-exclusive characters to be one or two per system that can be DLC for the other, if any. Just my opinion.
 

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Someone needs to play Pokemon more :facepalm:

The meaning of the games Black and White was Ying VS Yang. Kyurem is the third of the ying-yang, called Wuji, the absence of yin and yang, who finishes the Tao trio, or otherwise known as Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. With this information, you can automatically suggest that it's very likely to be the 3rd of the Dragons, therefore following Giratina and Rayquaza's path. It's no doubt, due to Kyurems past and the knowing of the forme coding, that Kyurem may have that good sense, but wrong intention, like Mewtwo, in a way.

In otherwords, Kyurem is the third of the tribe of mascots, therefore, as Rayquaza and Giratina has much predicted, will mascot the 3rd set, AKA Grey/Gray.
Except Kyurem is technically the creator of the other two, like Arceus was. So he's more like Arceus(except the Event pokemon part, which is irrelevant anyway). Pikachu was the mascot of Pokemon Yellow. If they cared about exact 3 pairs, it would've been Green with Venusaur. They don't actually care about that consistently. Giratina did not create Palkia or Dialga, yet somehow became the Box Mascot.

I am not saying Kyurem won't become it. I'm sure he'll play a big or small role in the game. Has Genesect even been CONFIRMED to specifically be an Event Pokemon(for Grey)? If not, then that theory doesn't count. He's also more unique than another dragon, which hasn't changed. An important Bug Legendary is nice.

That isn't what BW was going for. BW was going for a war-theme. Genesect is called an event Pkmn. Only the anime hosts games that are 100% in relationship with such Pokemon. But this doesn't mean that Genesect has no story, but it won't be dwelled as much as the mascots of B&W, and obviously Grey/Gray Kyurem. Keldeo has yet to be announced. Genesect will, no doubt, be released last of the three mirage/event Pkmn. It's like putting a storyline that isn't involved with the other games. B&W never had a Genesect storyline released.
Or he could be playable in Grey with no event crap and be key to the story or a side story. He might only be an event in B/W, for example.

Ruby/Sapphire=Emerald, Diamond and Pearl=Platinum. Therefore, Reshiram(Black), Zekrom(White) will equal Kyurem(grey/gray).
Blue/Red=Yellow and Gold/Silver=Crystal blows that theory out of the water. It's only happened twice and it could go either way. The only thing pointing to Kyurem was the Forme Change. But that means nothing, as Giratina, who wasn't even much related to the other three Legendaries was the key one. You'd think Arceus would be the Mascot of Platinum, but he wasn't. There is no guarantee for Kyurem to be any more than another important(but not main) Legendary.

Event Pokemon are Event Pokemon. They are the specials of a game. I think you should be happy that they released Genesect. Same with Deoxys and Victini(Almost). Don't argue that they didn't need any of the Pkmn, or else Red/Blue wouldn't of existed. B&W is a story of war and rivalries. Grey/Gray will follow suit. B&W is also the game that made a nostalgic feel of Red/Blue, which made the games famous. Sorry, but the storyline is similar, but NOT the same. Have you ever had a musical? No. Have you ever had TMs reusable? No. Ever had Victini and Genesect (New Pokemon)? Once again, NO. One of the themes of Pokemon is to mascot important Pokemon. At present time, Genesect isn't tecnically known. Kyurem is. Kyurem is more important than any other Pokemon at present point. Genesect is bottom-knowledge.

I'll explain more later. Here's a link to Kyurem.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kyurem#Origin
The rule of three is not consistent enough to apply. Therefore, Kyurem is not GUARANTEED, just most likely. Also, you forget that Genesect is only an Event Pokemon for B/W. He could be available from the start in Grey. We do not have any official say on this. Keep in mind I doubt he'll be the Box Legendary, but he could be. Not to mention, it'd still be better anyway. For a guy who seems to be an expy of Mewtwo, his full story could be rather interesting in-game. Likewise, the whole Team Plasma thing has instant story potential. Both should be part of the story regardless. Let's also keep in mind that Giratina was not part of the original D/P story. But Arceus was. So we could get an entirely new Legendary. I agree it makes sense story-wise for it to be Kyurem. But I refuse to believe it's going to be that no matter what. We have no proof that he WILL be it. It's a reasonable guess, only.
 

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Dudes be beatin' off to Poison from Street Fighter, anyway, so I don't see how you could change Krystal in any way and furries would suddenly be "turned off" by it

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Dudes be beatin' off to Poison from Street Fighter, anyway, so I don't see how you could change Krystal in any way and furries would suddenly be "turned off" by it

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Actually, Poison is from Final Fight, but that series is in the Street Fighter universe.

If Krystal was shaved of her fur, became a ******, and looked like an alchemic ritual gone horribly wrong, there would still be people fapping to her.

BTW, John, I wouldn't be surprised if people used Krystal's sex appeal as a means to quell the haters since some people (especially in this thread) treat Smash as so corporate.
 

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Oh, I know that, I just thought people would recognize who I'm talking about faster if I said "Street Fighter" instead of "Final Fight"

I agree with the DLC idea, BTW, Opossum
 

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As proven by the Other M fan reception.
I was actually thinking of a much better game (Metroid Fusion). I like Samus' personality a lot in that game, and I felt it made the story and the game all-around better.
BTW, John, I wouldn't be surprised if people used Krystal's sex appeal as a means to quell the haters since some people (especially in this thread) treat Smash as so corporate.
LOL, well that's a funny reason, because most of us liked the idea of a playable Zero Suit Samus. I know I did. And like Krystal, I don't find her (or really any blondes) attractive. It's the dang fans that annoy us, obviously. The Krystal fans that post here on this thread often aren't those creepers (or at least not openly), but on GameFAQs, IGN, and other sites that's pretty much most of Krystal's fanbase.
 

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Except Kyurem is technically the creator of the other two, like Arceus was. So he's more like Arceus(except the Event pokemon part, which is irrelevant anyway). Pikachu was the mascot of Pokemon Yellow. If they cared about exact 3 pairs, it would've been Green with Venusaur. They don't actually care about that consistently. Giratina did not create Palkia or Dialga, yet somehow became the Box Mascot.
Kyurem did not create the other two. In fact, if you read on about Kyurem, it's assumed that he's the original dragon. There is no proof. There is a Green version, exclusive for Japan. It came along with Red/Blue. Giratina didn't make the other two, but completes the "Tri-Mascots" of Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

I am not saying Kyurem won't become it. I'm sure he'll play a big or small role in the game. Has Genesect even been CONFIRMED to specifically be an Event Pokemon(for Grey)? If not, then that theory doesn't count. He's also more unique than another dragon, which hasn't changed. An important Bug Legendary is nice.
Kyurem is very likely. Proof is Movie relevance and the spring announcement (I assume Grey/Gray will be announced then, due to a game being exposed then). Genesect is proven Event due to his placement in the Pokedex, like the rest of the generations (Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Arceus, Shaymin, Darkrai, Victini, Keldeo, Genesect, Meloetta). The difference with Victini is that he's the mascot of the 5th generation. Therefore, as the past has proven, Genesect will definatly be an Event Pokemon.

Or he could be playable in Grey with no event crap and be key to the story or a side story. He might only be an event in B/W, for example..
Not true. Name one Legendary that I named above that appears normally in Emerald or Platinum.

Blue/Red=Yellow and Gold/Silver=Crystal blows that theory out of the water. It's only happened twice and it could go either way. The only thing pointing to Kyurem was the Forme Change. But that means nothing, as Giratina, who wasn't even much related to the other three Legendaries was the key one. You'd think Arceus would be the Mascot of Platinum, but he wasn't. There is no guarantee for Kyurem to be any more than another important(but not main) Legendary.
They were the starting points of Pokemon, therefore, your logic is ill. The Forme Change is comfirmed, therefore, with no appearence in Grey/Gray, more than likely, it'll show up in Grey/Gray. Giratina's Forme Change proves this, who was related to the other two (Pay attention to the anime movies). Arceus would obviously NOT carry a game because he's an Event Pokemon, just as proven in history. Giratina was not eye'd in D/P, therefore, with the movie, he would appear in PLT. Arceus, at the time, wasn't known. Genesect, Keldeo, or Meloetta are not, at present time, known technically. Now, seeing your arguements obviously tells me you know nothing of the present-time Pokemon standards. Do your research before you tell me Genesect should be the main Pokemon of the third game for B&W.


The rule of three is not consistent enough to apply. Therefore, Kyurem is not GUARANTEED, just most likely. Also, you forget that Genesect is only an Event Pokemon for B/W. He could be available from the start in Grey. We do not have any official say on this. Keep in mind I doubt he'll be the Box Legendary, but he could be. Not to mention, it'd still be better anyway. For a guy who seems to be an expy of Mewtwo, his full story could be rather interesting in-game. Likewise, the whole Team Plasma thing has instant story potential. Both should be part of the story regardless. Let's also keep in mind that Giratina was not part of the original D/P story. But Arceus was. So we could get an entirely new Legendary. I agree it makes sense story-wise for it to be Kyurem. But I refuse to believe it's going to be that no matter what. We have no proof that he WILL be it. It's a reasonable guess, only.
*Stares at the stupidity of this conversation* Really?

Grey will NOT have Genesect as the main. It's obvious, it's been obvious, and Kyurem's past/knowledge as of now proves it. What exactly do you know about Genesect that means ANYTHING to Reshiram and Zekrom? Also, no, Arceus was NOT part of the D/P story. If so, prove it. I beg you.. heh... Get a Serebii account, and post this out-of-mind arguement. I beg you.
 

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Then hate the fanbase, not the character.
No, I hate the character too, because Krystal has no personality, and she is unbearable in all of those three mediocre games no one remembers or cares about (except furries). Krystal has some unique moves that could work well in smash, but until she develops a personality that isn't totally filler-ish and she isn't just a plot device,
(like Impa)
I don't want to see her ugly, furry, weird-looking face in smash bros as a playable character.

And having that garbage fanbase only makes me hate her more... :glare:
 

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I'd like to say that I remember Starfox Adventures because of its music since it was composed by Dave Wise, who's known for DKC's music.
 
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