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I often think that the reason why many females characters are only supported simply on the grounds due to their fans being sexually attracted to them.

Which is why I think Palutena and Medusa are going to have huge fanbases.
Fanservice sells. Heck, there's an entire fighting series that makes money solely because of that (and Ninjas).

It will be more "OH SNAP THERE IS AN ADVANCE WARS STAGE! IT HAS IT'S OWN ICON TOO; MUST MEAN THERE IS AN ADVANCE WARS CHARACTER! ANDY CONFIRMED?!"

Still, people tend to not learn their lessons so I could see the exact same confusion ultimately leading to disappointment.
Just stay away from Gamefaqs.

Yep. I always found it weird that Medusa's design in the actual Kid Icarus game differed so much from the artwork.
In the original manual it states that because Palutena was pissed at Medusa for harming people, so she turned her ugly.
 

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Btw I'm gonna add: Impa will be completely unique in my moveset, borrowing the least of Sheik's moveset possible. Gonna bring up some B moves never seen before. Gotta bring out the love for the series first tanned gal <3
 

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I'd give Palutena the edge over Medusa solely because Sakurai seems to like choosing assist characters before villains.
 

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How is that so? Bowser, Peach, Ganondorf and Zelda got in all the same time. So did Meta Knight and King DeDeDe. I don't see your point Star.
 

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Daisy is pretty damn pale nowadays from what I've seen in recent apperances. In Melee it was different though. And with series I kinda meant the Zelda series, but it's the same with Smash actually.
 

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Breasts are nature's mind control devices. :troll:

However, right now I don't see a reason to support Palutena and Medusa, and I am going to wait until Uprising is released before I can have a more informed opinion on them.

Right now, the only female character that I am positive on is Dixie Kong. However, I think Palutena and Medusa will be added to that assuming Uprising is great.
The reason I'm thinking they will both get in is that Uprising is an expansion of the series. These aren't new characters, but old ones revamped. And they are very important in their series. Heck, they are getting their own OVAs. Basically, I think they are good characters .

For the record, my pick for newcomers is.
[COLLAPSE="Roster"]Little Mac
Toad
Palutena
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Shulk
Mii
Medusa
Ghirahim
Zoroark
Samurai Gohor
Ridley
Takamaru
and maybe Saki[/COLLAPSE]
 

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How is that so? Bowser, Peach, Ganondorf and Zelda got in all the same time. So did Meta Knight and King DeDeDe. I don't see your point Star.
Just look at Luigi, Falco, Zelda and Lucas. I could mention some of the others, but that would be more of a stretch than even this. This is not something I am going to be dogmatic about, but when you look at the trend side protagonists tend to come before villains. Even when Melee added all of the Zelda characters Zelda was still the first shown. It just seems that priority tends to swing in their direction.
 

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Luigi is the Mario series' 'almost hero'. But he making it in over Bowser was kind of logical to me in 64. Zelda and Ganondorf made it in togheter in Melee, and Lucas is not a assist character cause his game is starring him. He starts off as one maybe, much like Diddy but both eventually where forced to become their own leaders. Falco was hugely popular, and could even in some cases be considered a mild rival to Fox even. Kind of the same deal with Mario and Luigi in a sence. I'd even say Luigi has plenty of reasons to want to beat up Mario actually :laugh:
 

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GSN is being his own sexy self again I see <3

Ohh, and I'm totally gonna post my revamp ideas for Link and a moveset for Impa along with some random character playstyle descriptions on what I'd like to see in Smash 4 for which character. Gimme some time on this however.
Only for you. <3

I'd like to see what you can do with a revamped Link moveset. I've been wanting to bring back my Isaac moveset I made for Brawl, now that Apex got me hyped for Smash again. I don't have it saved anymore, but I think I can at least remake the B moveset and Final Smash without much trouble.
 

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Luigi is the Mario series' 'almost hero'. But he making it in over Bowser was kind of logical to me in 64. Zelda and Ganondorf made it in togheter in Melee, and Lucas is not a assist character cause his game is starring him. He starts off as one maybe, much like Diddy but both eventually where forced to become their own leaders. Falco was hugely popular, and could even in some cases be considered a mild rival to Fox even. Kind of the same deal with Mario and Luigi in a sence. I'd even say Luigi has plenty of reasons to want to beat up Mario actually :laugh:
See, that's the thing though. You are trying to make specific rationalizations for each one to show that X isn't true, and they are all different and independent of each other.

Ever heard of Occam's Razor? The simplest answer is the best one.
 

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I suport Medusa we need a femail villain . *Giant Picture*
Medusa for Smash 4. How can you NOT support that? That art is like the definition of awesome... I really hope she is important in Uprising and has a ton of cool abilities.
 

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Well that saves me the trouble of responding. Either way I definitely see a Kid Icarus character happening unless there is little demand for either of them. Personally I am more interested in a prospective stage, but that is just me since, you know, I happen to enjoy stages.
 

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I think there is a good chance that we get both Palutena and Medusa if both characters become extremely popular.
 

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I think there is a good chance that we get both Palutena and Medusa if both characters become extremely popular.
I don't even think they need to be really popular. Sakurai I don't think goes for popular but for characters that are really strong. I'm sure it helps, but at the same time, a lot of the characters who are popular are also going to be strong characters.
 

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I think there is a good chance that we get both Palutena and Medusa if both characters become extremely popular.
See I am careful with that because Sakurai does not like to shoe horn his own creations (despite how it may appear at times). Prior to Kid Icarus: Uprising there was not a lot of demand for a character outside of Pit. To me, unless there is a dramatic change I cannot see more than one being playable at this time. It really is rare that a series walks in with two characters in one game. The only series that have are Mario, Zelda, Pokémon and Kirby. Even then all of the characters added were highly requested on their own right. Not to mention that those series are the four pillars in the Super Smash Bros series. Bar fan requests are clear creative genius I cannot see Sakurai overcoming his desire of wanting to appear impartial.
 

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I think all three of you have definite points, and Star could be right on the money, but Chrono could be as well.

Personally, I see us either getting ONE or none, but that's just me.

I think if ANY series is going to get two newcomers this time around, it will be Pokemon or Donkey Kong.
 

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KI is a tough gamble until Uprising and the OVAs come up. On one hand, we could get both goddesses, just one, or neither.

Sakurai doesn't like to over do it on his own series, but KI isn't his series and he has stated we should look to Uprising to get a good idea about the next Smash. There are just so many mixed signals.
 
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For all we know, we might not even get a goddess. We could just as well get Magnus, who Sakurai created.

EDIT: Doesn't this look more "fighter material"?
 
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I am curious of who will be the Poo/Geno of Smash 4. Lip seems to be developing a following, but she already has many detractors this early.
Might be good to look at characters that are not important to their respective series yet are popular requests. Waluigi fits it perfectly for how unlikely he is, yet is getting a big fan base. Hopefully, quick deconfirmation of him will come.

Shulk is another possibility, since I can't really understand the demand, but less likely due to being a main protagonist of a series. Either way, I still find him doubtful.
 

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Wow... the hype on KI today is astounding... It's got a certain beat to it, but I'm not sure what, exactly...

I've heard of other characters on KI.... Does anyone have the english site for KI so I can look into this game more? (Cause I know nothing much about it?)
 

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Geno is going to the Geno following of Smash4.

I recall Lip being popular Pre-Brawl. Maybe not uber popular, but that's where I learned of her. (Along with ROB) Fawful was popular at one point, or at least he had SOME following.

I also never ran into any Lucario/Blaziken/Deoxys/Gardevior fans you all speak of. I ran into a Hector fan though, one of the few people I remember from Nsider.
 

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For all we know, we might not even get a goddess. We could just as well get Magnus, who Sakurai created.

EDIT: Doesn't this look more "fighter material"?
I still think more people are going to want Palutena and Medusa at the end of the day. You will have more people complaining about "too many sword users" or "not important enough" before you even get to the subject of him trumping the other two.

I also never ran into any Lucario/Blaziken/Deoxys/Gardevior fans you all speak of. I ran into a Hector fan though, one of the few people I remember from Nsider.
Boy you should have spent more time on Nsider's Smash Bros boards then... Those Gardevoir Vs. Blaziken Vs. Lucario threads were really something.
 

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I still think more people are going to want Palutena and Medusa at the end of the day. You will have more people complaining about "too many sword users" or "not important enough" before you even get to the subject of him trumping the other two.
Which is why I vote for Black Mage and Victini, because we dont have enough Magic Casters.
 
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I still think more people are going to want Palutena and Medusa at the end of the day. You will have more people complaining about "too many sword users" or "not important enough" before you even get to the subject of him trumping the other two.
People already complain about too many sword users, and yet they request MORE such as Isaac and Ghirahim. People are finicky and cases like "too many sword users" should be ignored based on their insanity.

And while yes, Palutena and Medusa are more wanted than Magnus, bear in mind that Sakurai DID create Magnus and give him the title of being the strongest human in the world.
 
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But if there's justification for it you wouldn't have to wonder about it.
Not necessarily.

People can be anti-Waluigi all they want. That's justified.
What the wondering though, is about why.

Just the fact that he's a spin-off character?
Because he isn't *insert character*?
Because of some bias against him?
 

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People already complain about too many sword users, and yet they request MORE such as Isaac and Ghirahim. People are finicky and cases like "too many sword users" should be ignored based on their insanity.

And while yes, Palutena and Medusa are more wanted than Magnus, bear in mind that Sakurai DID create Magnus and give him the title of being the strongest human in the world.
So? Magnus only appears in one chapter in the entire game. His role is not even the same level as the other two or other one shot characters. So if we are going to compare him to the other two he most certainly is going to have less prominence.
 
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So? Magnus only appears in one chapter in the entire game. His role is not even the same level as the other two or other one shot characters. So if we are going to compare him to the other two he most certainly is going to have less prominence.

We don't quite know that yet, do we? And again, this is Sakurai we're talking about. While Magnus seems more AT material to us, that might not be the same to him.
 

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Isaac has tons of psynergy. Can't say anything for Ghirahim, but Isaac would not really be anything like Marth, Ike, etc. Unlike them, he can do something similar to magic. That's just his typical weapon. As for his Final Smash, he can always use the Sol Blade's Unleash. I forgot what it was called, though.
 
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