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It's kind of weird how many CASUAL FOLLOWERS of Smash speculation bought into the Geno hype. He still appears on a lot of want lists. I'm sure he's a cool character in his own right, but there's a lot of people who remember him from his Brawl hype. Or were suddenly reminded of him. "Oh, that guy. Yeah, he's cool!"
 

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Wolf had a following that was the same size as Krystal's during Brawl. Considering that the only new Star Fox game since Brawl's release was a remake of 64, it was a smart choice.
 

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I think Sakurai, HAL, Game Arts, etc may draw some ideas or opinions for movesets, characters, and what people want by looking over sites like this (I definitely bet that Nintendo representatives have been through this thread, and may have even posted here). Maybe to see some of what the fans think, but more importantly, to get inspired. And you know what=??? I think we should all be okay with that. If this was solely a popularity contest, we would ultimately be annoyed by awful choices like Waluigi making it (who is dominating SSBF's poll, sadly for the sake of humanity).

Plus we wouldn't get totally creative and less popular choices like Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Ness, the Ice Climbers, *shrugs* Sheik, :urg: Pichu, Marth, Roy, Mr. Game and Watch, Pit, Zero Suit Samus, the Pokémon Trainer, R.O.B., Solid Snake, Captain Olimar, etc. Those type of characters help make smash more marketable, and are a huge reason for the series' success. I think, especially in Brawl, Sakurai has found a great method and way of designing a roster. If the next smash' roster adds on to the satisfying originality and uniqueness of Brawl's, we are in for a heck of a roster.

Now to make the game more offensively explosive....

Hopefully Sakurai, HAL Laboratories, and especially Game Arts watches basketball or football instead of cricket for how the next smash bros' offense should look like... :laugh:
 

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Wolf had a following that was the same size as Krystal's during Brawl. Considering that the only new Star Fox game since Brawl's release was a remake of 64, it was a smart choice.
I don't think that release changes anything for Krystal though. Maybe we won't get an Assualt based stage, but I like Melee's Corneria much more anyhow. Plus, Wolf isn't competition anymore, so.. she's the only choice left.
 

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Wolf was also very highly requested from what I saw on 2ch Smash Bros. threads. Keep in mind that the Japanese hate all the Star Fox games after 64.
 

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Wolf had a following that was the same size as Krystal's during Brawl. Considering that the only new Star Fox game since Brawl's release was a remake of 64, it was a smart choice.
I'm just curious, did anyone predict the way he was implemented? Honestly, I just thought Krystal was more likely AT THE TIME since she seemed like she would be more unique, but I was PLEASANTLY SURPRISED with Sakurai's take on Wolf. I never stopped by the Wolf thread too often, but I think I remember people suggesting he use a knife or something? Maybe that was Leon.
 

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Wolf had a following that was the same size as Krystal's during Brawl. Considering that the only new Star Fox game since Brawl's release was a remake of 64, it was a smart choice.
It was moreso probably that Wolf offered a unique way to add a clone (ish) character, and how Wolf represents the Golden Age of Star Fox (Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Star Fox 64). A lot of people identify with the Golden Age of Star Fox, for one reason or another.

Mostly because those Golden Age Star Fox games are incredible and classics, and just have an awesome cheesiness to it.

Kinda like Scooby Doo. You know everything that is going to happen, but you watch it anyways because it enjoyable... somehow! :laugh: And nostalgic! :cool:
Keep in mind that the Japanese hate all the Star Fox games after 64.
This adds to my point! :laugh: I rest my case your honor! :)
 

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Wolf was also very highly requested from what I saw on 2ch Smash Bros. threads. Keep in mind that the Japanese hate all the Star Fox games after 64.
I seriously doubt that considering everyone likes to eggerate EVERYTHING about the Japanese fanbase, and I think that too doesn't mean much, because she still has the fanbase, fits the bill in Sakurai's eyes, and isn't obscure. (Not that that matters much anyways)

It was moreso probably that Wolf offered a unique way to add a clone (ish) character, and how Wolf represents the Golden Age of Star Fox (Star Fox, Star Fox 2, Star Fox 64). A lot of people identify with the Golden Age of Star Fox, for one reason or another.
And the fact that Sakurai didn't know who she was until she was being requested on the Brawl "polls" when the roster was finalized months before then. She never ACTUALLY was an option during Brawl.
 

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I am just saying what I saw. I can definitely understand why Wolf was picked (much more support than Krystal in Japan, equal levels of support in America).
 

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But Wolf doesn't matter anymore? He's already added.
 

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I am not sure whether Sakurai is going to give Star Fox four characters, and thus might boot Wolf if he decides to add another one.. I am worried all this whining about Wolf being a clone might get him booted. However, 64 3D does offer him relevancy, so that does give him a leg up over prospective Star Fox newcomers that were added to the series after 64.
 

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...Isn't there a chance that Wolf will become his Star Fox 64 English gentlemanly self? I would have MIXED FEELINGS about that.

He needs to say "What. The. Heck?!" when someone dodges his attack.
 

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I am not sure whether Sakurai is going to give Star Fox four characters, and thus might boot Wolf if he decides to add another one.. I am worried all this whining about Wolf being a clone might get him booted. However, 64 3D does offer him relevancy, so that does give him a leg up over prospective Star Fox newcomers that were added to the series after 64.
I don't see any reason he would take out Wolf OR randomly start thinking about "proper representation" I mean, Lucas and Wolf getting in, and ZSS getting in strictly on the basis of being a female over Ridley kind of shows he doesn't think the way most fans do. Plus relevancy? Command is like, four years old, and isn't a remake. Wolf is going to be just fine. Sonic and Snake fans should be the ones worrying, but no John, I don't want to debate about why keeping them is an awesome idea, because I don't really care about third party characters~

...Isn't there a chance that Wolf will become his Star Fox 64 English gentlemanly self? I would have MIXED FEELINGS about that.

He needs to say "What. The. Heck?!" when someone dodges his attack.
What are the characters STYLE in the remake? Do they look more Melee, or Brawlish?
 

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Definitely. I never liked that side taunt of his anyway. "CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT" should replace it.

@Shorts: Well the remake gives them back their original Star Fox 64 designs. So Melee, I guess, but they're more cartoony looking like their Brawl designs.

ALSO we never saw any more than Wolf's face, so I wonder what kind of outfit he was supposed to have anyway.
 

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Also, I HEAR Meowth is now following around ASH in the anime? Uhm, weird.

Something to think about~
 

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Wolf getting his old English voice would be great. He wasn't a gentleman persona, but a dignified persona, moreso. That and a chillax villain.

"Can't Let You Brew DO THAT STARFOX!" could be his introduction when he fights Fox! :laugh:

"What the heck? NO WAY! I DON'T BELIEVE IT!" could be what he yells as he dies.

Maybe Falco could get his Smash 64 voice back (it sounds less Broooooklyn-ish, but still subtly like New Yowrk), and perhaps Fox as well. Fox's Brawl English voice makes him sound like a total dungeons and dragons nerd. It is unbearable to listen to, especially compared to the epic Japanese Fox voice!
"LLAAAANNNDDDMMMMAAAAASSSSSSTTTTTAAAAAHHHHH!!!!"

Edit: Man, some of these Apex matches are at a really high level for such early on at the tournament. Captain Jack in teams is as amazing as ever. It has been a while since he has come to an American tournament, and he doesn't have such an overwhelming aura of dominance in tournament circles anymore, but he sure does look dominate. He used his veteran experience of smash bros to just take control in key moments in this match right here very beautifully.
 
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On Star Fox: I feel as all three are safe and I do not see any cutting occurring. Krystal is a definite candidate, but right now, I wouldn't put too much stock into her inclusion.

Personally, I'd like for Wolf to get his own Final Smash, along with Falco. Wolf is only five moves away from being completely unique, all of which are specials and FS's, so why not make the Final Smash different?
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Also, @SSBF: We all know that Pichu was only added because he was an easy clone of Pikachu and that's it. We shouldn't read any more into his inclusion than that. I just thought I remember you saying that as opposed to the other Mew-like Pokemon, Victini can actually fight. Now since all Pokemon in the game can fight, I assumed you meant in like the Anime, but apparently he doesn't fight in that. I just think it's not too good for Victini that Pokemon Company markets Zoroark as an asskicking ****** taking down Pokemon left and right. Then you have Victini who is marketed as a cuddly huggable stuffed animal who helps OTHER Pokemon do better, without ever fighting himself once.
What's important about Pichu's inclusion is that it shows that Sakurai wanted to see Pichu in Melee. Had the Pokemon Company been against Sakurai's proposal to make Pichu a joke character, we would not have seen Pichu in Melee. But they liked the idea and let Sakurai run with it. Sakurai has also reportedly gone on the record to say he loves all of his characters and I'm assuming this includes the Melee cut vets. Even if Pichu will likely never show up again, I seriously doubt Sakurai wanted to cut anyone from the Melee roster. While Sakurai may view Pichu as a joke character, I don't think he considers anyone a true filler; otherwise, he would have expressed his regret for Pichu.

Reminds me of a similar case back in the Pre-Melee days in which Heracross was treated by many Pokemon fans as a "asskicking taking down Pokemon left to right" Pokemon. What was Pichu marketed as? A cuddly, huggable, stuffed animal who helps other Pokemon but are not known for fighting. Yet we saw Pichu instead. So it is still not out of the realm of possibility for the Pokemon Company to favor Victini over Zoroark for the 5th gen spot.

@nLiM8d: Except that I am not implying that Victini is a baby Pokemon (which it is not). I am using Pichu as a counter for Hoot's argument because it shows that if a baby Pokemon can get into Smash, then Victini can get in without having to reference it's anime personality.
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What is the purpose of this character? The only defense of "Mew-like" pokemon deviating from their exclusion from smash would be that one is capible of "fighting".

As Hoots states, all Pokemon are capable of some form of offense, so that doesn't seem to be the case. Each character designed for smash would be inevitably based around their fighter profile, meaning they will make a moveset for any character they include. This would assume that any character can have a moveset made for them simply because they were chosen.
When you fight a Pokemon, the Pokemon is exhibiting the ability to fight. Therefore, the Pokemon shows capability of fighting. Any type of offense that is shown is trying to push against another person or in this case, fighting. Therefore, going by the fact that all Pokemons can do a form of offense, they are thus capable of fighting.
 

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Wolf should say (on rare occasion, like with Pit) "I can't looose!" when being KO'd. I wonder if it would be possible for Fox and Falco to shout each other's names in TEAM BATTLES if the other is KO'd? That'd be a really nice touch. EVERYONE should do that for Snake. BD

MAN this almost makes me want to go out and get Star Fox 64 3D. Even though I have the original and the VC one.
 
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Also, I HEAR Meowth is now following around ASH in the anime? Uhm, weird.

Something to think about~
He's been doing that for awhile. Honestly, if we get a 1st gen Pokemon that isn't Mewtwo, chances are it'll be him. While not someone I am particularly interested it, it is a solid choice.

@Oasis_S: I'd all be for that. It gives a sense of defeat, panic, and/or despair when you are being KO'd. Other characters should have it as well.
 

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Wolf should say (on rare occasion, like with Pit) "I can't looose!" when being KO'd. I wonder if it would be possible for Fox and Falco to shout each other's names in TEAM BATTLES if the other is KO'd?
Bro-Mance confirmed=??? :cool: :laugh: :chuckle:
That'd be a really nice touch. EVERYONE should do that for Snake. BD
Seriously, characters yelling out other character's name, or talking in a certain tone or voice or certain dialogue in team matches would be awesome. It's such a small addition, but it is an awesome one nonetheless! :)
MAN this almost makes me want to go out and get Star Fox 64 3D. Even though I have the original and the VC one.
I know, amirite=??? Star Fox 64 is just a game you can't seemingly get too much of. Although I really do wish the 3DS remake had mutliplayer campaign, online multiplayer, improved levels (including fixing that water level with the submarines' awful frame rate issues), expanded multiplayer, several different ships (Wolfen, Wolfen II, various random enemy ships), etc.

I feel like getting a ROM of Star Fox 64 to play on Kaillera and see if I can find anyone who would be willing to play the versus against me! :laugh: Star Fox 64 just has that simple yet intangible, complex, and impossible to describe (other than saying, "that's Star Foxd 64 for you") greatness to it!
 

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He's been doing that for awhile. Honestly, if we get a 1st gen Pokemon that isn't Mewtwo, chances are it'll be him. While not someone I am particularly interested it, it is a solid choice.
Screw Mewtwo. Gimme Meowth. I would LOVE that. I hate how I can never make a Pokemon roster that is logical, small, and interesting. It's always one of the two.

On a random note. I found my FIRST post in the SSB4 thread.

It was posted 31-12-2009 (Been here for three years since) Annnnnd the first person to respond to me, was Star.

Almost everything I said back then was stupid.
 

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^ Figures Shorts. Some of my stuff was moronic when I first came here (IGN and Game Trailers does that to a person). For example, I typed in txt tlk because all my friends did. I did that even though part of me cringed because I NEED to write formally. I also thought the Brawl roster could have up to 60 characters! :laugh:

Ironically, Diddy Kong (I think he was the first person to quote meh!), Wiseguy, Psycho Incarnate, and Omega were some of the earliest people to respond to me.

I had been lurking smash boards since like late 2005 though, mostly for (basic) advanced techniques. I tried learning wave dashing and stuff like that real early, but I didn't get wave dashing down until like 2007. I got L-cancelling down in like 20 minutes though! :laugh:
 

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Screw Mewtwo. Gimme Meowth. I would LOVE that.
Me too... Me too. I really did fight for Meowth back in the day before Pokemon Trainer was revealed. He would absolutely be one of my mains if he was a Smash character. Unfortunately, he missed his chance.

Also, I was one of the people who supported Krystal over Wolf because I preferred her uniqueness to Wolf's inevitable status as a semi-clone. I never would have fathomed that Sakurai would have all three SF reps all use essentially the same kit. But granted, this was back when we were young and full of dreams. Falco with a bazooka! Ganondorf with his sword! Luigi with the Poltergust! Wind Waker Link and Lucas with a plethora of unique abilities! We were so naive back then.

That said, I think Wolf is a great addition to the roster simply for his importance, nostalgia, and role as a villain. I just think that Krystal deserves a spot this time around. Hopefully Nintendo gives Sakurai a huge team.
 

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@ Hoots
HAL made nearly all of smash 64 and Melee, whereas Game Arts made most of Brawl, and was Brawl's primary developer.

Hopefully Nintendo gives Sakurai all of HAL Laboratories as the primary developer, because Game Arts isn't as good as them. Game Arts would be a great #2 company (or the Scottie Pippin, as I call it), along with those other two smaller companies (I forget their names) and Sora (which is growing in size, and hiring).

If Sakurai got HAL Laboratories to be the company in charge instead of Game Arts... now we're talking about a step in the right direction. That would be super awesome, and would allow us to have the best of all worlds.

A huge staff with smash bros talent, the staff of the two early smash bros games (that were produced back to back with each other), the latest smash bros developer (who now have their feet wet), a few Nintendo-owned companies looking to make a name for themselves, a bunch of hungry young guns with the creative juices flowing.

With a crazy 30 something protege genius at the helm, who will manipulate (who said manipulation was always a bad thing=???) these companies and their staff to be better, and to give it their all. If that can happen, we got a recipe for two disastrously good smash bros game! :awesome: :cool: :) :grin: :reverse: :bee:

Plus with 3 to 5 years to make said games, this could be a truly unique and groundbreaking smash brothers experience! Let's sit back-and wait for it! :cool: :) :reverse: :awesome: :cool: ;)
 

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So apparently Miyamoto is working on a new, original game? I wonder if it'll lend a character. Unless we see something at E3, I kind of doubt it would be possible.

I think a lot of us are getting pretty ****-SURE about our predictions, so I wonder what is going to come along to make us rethink our choices.
 

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So apparently Miyamoto is working on a new, original game? I wonder if it'll lend a character. Unless we see something at E3, I kind of doubt it would be possible.

I think a lot of us are getting pretty ****-SURE about our predictions, so I wonder what is going to come along to make us rethink our choices.
Once the announcement trailer shows up with 4 newcomers, one or two of which will probably be ridiculous, people will get all jumbled up. However, I'm not set in my ways at all! I gladly will change up any predictions as more info comes out. As ling as **** is CONFIRMED, im happy (unless K. Rool doesn't make it...).

:phone:
 

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I do think Krystal has a "biger" chance this time.I't would be cool to see Miyamoto's new game character have a chance.Or would it need to have more than one game to have a chance lol?
 

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Also, I HEAR Meowth is now following around ASH in the anime? Uhm, weird.

Something to think about~
He's not traveling with him anymore, it was a trick that Team Rocket was planning he's back with them now. The only Pokemon that's been following Ash is a Krokorok with Sunglasses that's going to be captured sometime soon :cool:
 

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Those interested (I'm guessing John, Ninja, Shortie, Kuma, N, and myself) doubles for Apex starts at 10 Est. Doubles are always interesting and then afterwards singles start, pools might be unbearable to watch until pools Round 2, were it become only high level/top level vs. high level/top level players. Aiyyo, watch for my Japanese players though they've been putting mad work/ (Otori, Ocean, Nietono, Kakera, Karamity, Rain, etc.)
 

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I think it would be nice if,We could change mario's costumes from his different games like.

Super mario galaxy 1,and,2 ,and 3d land.

It would nice to dress up in his tanooki suit.








I wonder how peach will look in the new super smash bros 4?

 

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Those interested (I'm guessing John, Ninja, Shortie, Kuma, N, and myself) doubles for Apex starts at 10 Est. Doubles are always interesting and then afterwards singles start, pools might be unbearable to watch until pools Round 2, were it become only high level/top level vs. high level/top level players. Aiyyo, watch for my Japanese players though they've been putting mad work/ (Otori, Ocean, Nietono, Kakera, Karamity, Rain, etc.)
Wait are you guys just watching? Or are you actually joining in I'm confuseud :urg:
 

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Geno debate without yani? Smooth move guys :laugh:

I wish there weren't so many awesome Pokemon smash candidates. Everyone will be heart broken in the end :(
 

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Once the announcement trailer shows up with 4 newcomers, one or two of which will probably be ridiculous, people will get all jumbled up. However, I'm not set in my ways at all! I gladly will change up any predictions as more info comes out. As ling as **** is CONFIRMED, im happy (unless K. Rool doesn't make it...).

:phone:
All I know is I will be excited to see who is the first character revealed. So far it has been a super popular character that has had a lot of support and requests. For Melee it was Bowser, and for Brawl it was Metaknight. The only characters I can see fitting thaat role would be Mewtwo (even though he is not technically a newcomer), Ridley, or King K. Rool.

Yeah, that was me who said it. I know that Square Enix has no economic reason to include Geno unless they plan on making a SMRPG2 or a SMRPG remake. However, Square DOES seem to have an aversion to money with their recent business decisions, so you never know... :troll: If Nintendo really wanted Geno, they could get him. It just depends how much they're willing to pay. My entire point is that people should attack Geno for more valid reasons, other than attacks that I don't see as entirely fair.
Well it is more like neither company care to go through the hassle of negotiating for him. Nintendo does not care enough to spend money, and Square Enix barely know they even have him. Besides, why the heck does Geno get all of this support and Mallow does not? Geno is a horrible character compared to Mallow. Yes I'm still bitter about Mallow being pushed to the sidelines. :'(
 

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Ridley, definitely!

I can imagine Toad running away in some landscape, while Ridley watches him from the shadows and then snatches him up.

Mario comes to the rescue--
 

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I hope K.Rool gets the honor of first character revealed. Then the K.Rool supporters can join Dixie


Mallow would make a great AT. HP Rain, Thunderbolts etc
 

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So, I just had a Money battle with my neighbor, pikabolit (Sm4sh Journalist) three times, and I won them all :grin: There's now $15 in my pocket. Good day, good day :)

Speaking of the Sm4sh Journal, I'm still open for anyone to submit a journal on, this time, a certain topic. "Support File: *Insert Character here*. Just write a quick draft of a few paragraphs on your favorite character, and why you want him/her/them in Sm4sh. If you wanna write it, with the character of your choice, PM me.

Also, as for graphics, Mario's graphics are alot better than any Mario game, even to this day. So, I wonder what realism will look like this time around...
 

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In a lot of game series, you have that character/content that was in the first few installments but they got cut in later installments so it becomes a fan-favorite request for the latest installment, convincing the developers to finally put them in because of the sheer demand. For example, you have...

Rain in Mortal Kombat 9
The MP5 gun in Modern Warfare 3
Poison in Street Fighter (in a sense)


You know who best fits this role for Smash? Mewtwo and Roy :cool:

BTW, Johnknight is the greatest hype man ever for Smash :reverse:
 
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