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[Diddy Kong]

Seeing how Sakurai kinda ignores the Nintendo-ignoring-Donkey Kong Country-fad I can see it happening yes. Totally.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, getting a character from Square-Enix does depend on Nintendo's relationship with them. If they're on bad terms, it would not work out. This is not the case however(as in they're on good terms). It does not hurt to be friends. It's what got Snake in, remember?

Let's keep in mind that Nintendo was bitter at Capcom for throwing Resident Evil 4 onto the PS2, which may be why MegaMan wasn't chosen. Others could be time constraints.

Slime of course could be plausible. I would rather see somebody bipedal myself instead. Or atleast have true limbs, but that's just my opinion on it.(hence my preference for Slime Knight of any Slime)

Also, Geno hasn't had as much popularity as he used to, but he fits all of Sakura's criteria. IMO, I'd pick Black Mage first anyway. We need a pure spellcaster. Not half-casters like Zelda.(she uses barely any spells, and the rest are mostly that of a Monk)

 

[gsninja]

As far as Square-Enix characters go, Geno would definitely be the first choice for obvious reasons. I would absolutely love having Squall though, I won't lie.

 

[yani]

I think Geno has a bigger chance than he's given credit for. He's been considered according to Sakurai's journal and has had huge pre-Brawl support (not sure about Melee though). He is supposedly one of the first hacked characters into Brawl as well. Sakurai has to have noted his popularity by now. I'm sure Geno's crazy fans will be back once we get more information on Sm4sh. Just my two cents though.

Question for fun~
If Nintendo purchased the rights to Geno, would you say he's a shoe in?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Maybe not a shoe-in, but IMO, he'd be more of a "Sure, why not? Geno's a cool cat" type of choice for Sakurai because of his popularity.

 

[Starphoenix]

I think Geno has a bigger chance than he's given credit for. He's been considered according to Sakurai's journal and has had huge pre-Brawl support (not sure about Melee though). He is supposedly one of the first hacked characters into Brawl as well. Sakurai has to have noted his popularity by now. I'm sure Geno's crazy fans will be back once we get more information on Sm4sh. Just my two cents though.

Question for fun~
If Nintendo purchased the rights to Geno, would you say he's a shoe in?

Actually I think a lot of those comments for Geno were due to the "Beware the Forest Mushrooms" song. That was a very popular request during the time of the polls. I think Geno is going to go to the wayside once Smash 4 comes around. A lot of his support has already dwindled. Sure enough though there will be another "Geno" that will rear his or her head by the time the next game is further along.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Geno does only have two games in his belt. I wouldn't call him an obvious choice. I'd say Slime, being a mascot, would be noted faster.

Of course, if we mean Sakurai's choice... yeah, probably him. I want Black Mage more, though.

Definitely not a shoe-in. It would mean that we could get more games with Geno in. Like Super Mario RPG 2.

 

[Deleted member]

When it comes to Square Enix, I would say that the best choice would be Slime. I'd also like to see Crono and Geno. However, at this current moment, because of how difficult it is to implement third-party characters, I really only expect a Capcom rep if there are new third-party characters (which even then, third-parties are not guarantee). It doesn't help that there aren't really any specific Square Enix case that is heavily requested (despite a somewhat large demand in Japan).

@Starphoenix: For a new Geno? It's very hard to tell at this time. Perhaps it could be Geno again or it could be Travis Touchdown.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol, "Capcom rep"

Might as well just say Mega Man, people get all buttpained if you suggest Capcom characters other than Mega Man, anyway

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm not sure that he counts, but it's funny that Cloud doesn't get a lot of credit. For better or worse, he is one of the most famous faces of the industry. Having him in Smash would be neat if only on that ground.

But (Metal) Slime has Stolen my heart~

 

[yani]

If we're getting a Square rep to .. well.. rep Square, it won't be Geno unfortunately. Many people consider Geno to be a Mario character (which he really is tbh). I don't think Square would let Geno in without getting one of their franchises repped first.

 

[nLiM8d]

...And I didn't.

Inspecific, but I'll humor the direction. The fact of the matter is you have included company relations and figures to express the importance of this character. It defeats the purpose of viewing a character for its capabilities, perhaps even its creativity.

I understand the temptation to defend a character when their are doubts or dismissive attitudes over the conversation, but giving in to that temptation shows a sense of inconsistency. At the end of the day I'm not concerned about the direction of your words, but the implications that you are trying to impress.

Those things are difficult to recant.

 

[Oasis_S]

Those things are difficult to recant.

Your mother, quite Simply.

 

[Starphoenix]

When it comes to Square Enix, I would say that the best choice would be Slime. I'd also like to see Crono and Geno. However, at this current moment, because of how difficult it is to implement third-party characters, I really only expect a Capcom rep if there are new third-party characters (which even then, third-parties are not guarantee). It doesn't help that there aren't really any specific Square Enix case that is heavily requested (despite a somewhat large demand in Japan).

@Starphoenix: For a new Geno? It's very hard to tell at this time. Perhaps it could be Geno again or it could be Travis Touchdown.

Every game development cycle has had their "cult fanbase" character that is popular during the time of development and into the beginning of the next game, but dies off once the next game gets underway. During Melee it was Poo, and I'd probably say Banjo-Kazooie. During Brawl it has been Geno, and I'd throw in Gardevoir and Hector.

 

[yani]

Sure wish that Rare buyout never happened. Banjo in Smash would be pure greatness.

 

[Metal Overlord]

^ And I'd also bet Banjo wouldn't look the way he does if Rare were still Ninty-owned...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Yani: you bet... Microsoft, thanks so damn much for ruining my childhood. (-=^=-)*

 

[nLiM8d]

Your mother, quite Simply.

Not the proper time or place, feel me?

 

[yani]

@Metal definitely, I hate that horrid design.

@Young DOWN WITH MICROSOFT

 

[Deleted member]

Every game development cycle has had their "cult fanbase" character that is popular during the time of development and into the beginning of the next game, but dies off once the next game gets underway. During Melee it was Poo, and I'd probably say Banjo-Kazooie. During Brawl it has been Geno, and I'd throw in Gardevoir and Hector.

I wouldn't say Banjo-Kazooie. At the time, it was a successful two game franchise heading to get a third game on a Nintendo system (IIRC), so the support definitely came from somewhere. I would say that James Bond fit that more (remember the amount of votes he got in the Melee poll?) due to being a licensed character. For Brawl, Geno I agree with along with Gardevior, but Hector not so much. I'd argue that Lyn would fit it better since it was less important to FE7 then Hector and was one of the many females that was highly suggested to get in. It also crushed the Hector fan base if what I remember from ChronoBound's viewpoint is right.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If we're getting a Square rep to .. well.. rep Square, it won't be Geno unfortunately. Many people consider Geno to be a Mario character (which he really is tbh). I don't think Square would let Geno in without getting one of their franchises repped first.

So have Slime/Black Mage AND Geno. It might cost a bit more, but honestly, he's a good choice that reps the RPG's. And fits Sakurai's criteria completely. Likewise, more sales for the VC version of SMRPG. So the money'll be made back quite easily. Of course, it's understandable to have only one SE rep. But eh.

And yeah, MegaMan is the one that the producer of Capcom wanted in. Or Bison. Ryu wasn't even on his mind.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal & Yani: TOTALLY

 

[Oasis_S]

Every game development cycle has had their "cult fanbase" character that is popular during the time of development and into the beginning of the next game, but dies off once the next game gets underway. During Melee it was Poo, and I'd probably say Banjo-Kazooie. During Brawl it has been Geno, and I'd throw in Gardevoir and Hector.

Do you think the "Ridley" of speculation would be a title like the "Geno" is. Geno's a weird choice that gets behind for whatever reason, but then there's Ridley who everyone gets behind for all the reason in the world. AND NEITHER GET IN. If there were a "Ridley" of Melee, I wonder if it would be Diddy Kong? Wario? Dedede? Where's that Chrono FELLA bounding across Smash speculation history.


@N: You BET I feel you. My hands are just ALL OVER YOU. Your nerves just can't get enough of their supple touch.

 

[yani]

So have Slime/Black Mage AND Geno. It might cost a bit more, but honestly, he's a good choice that reps the RPG's. And fits Sakurai's criteria completely. Likewise, more sales for the VC version of SMRPG. So the money'll be made back quite easily. Of course, it's understandable to have only one SE rep. But eh.

I'm down with that for sure, but there will always be baboons whining that SE has two reps

 

[Starphoenix]

Inspecific, but I'll humor the direction. The fact of the matter is you have included company relations and figures to express the importance of this character. It defeats the purpose of viewing a character for its capabilities, perhaps even its creativity.

I understand the temptation to defend a character when their are doubts or dismissive attitudes over the conversation, but giving in to that temptation shows a sense of inconsistency. At the end of the day I'm not concerned about the direction of your words, but the implications that you are trying to impress.

Those things are difficult to recant.

Yes, in the past I have discussed those things in great length. There is no inconsistency. I have explained in the past that third party characters are a much different situation than Nintendo owned character and licenses. When I wrote how Slime could hold a much better chance then given, I followed up with my reasons. After that there has been debate about how he can work. Which is what I have been responding to since that fake leak came out that had Slime listed as a character. My debate has been two fold, and I see no reason to keep regurgitating the same points when my argument is on something completely different. There is no inconsistency between the two, at least none I have been aware of.

My goal is not to convert people to the idea as third party characters are a subject I have much greater doubts about, but I want people to at least be open to the idea.

I wouldn't say Banjo-Kazooie. At the time, it was a successful two game franchise heading to get a third game on a Nintendo system (IIRC), so the support definitely came from somewhere. I would say that James Bond fit that more (remember the amount of votes he got in the Melee poll?) due to being a licensed character. For Brawl, Geno I agree with along with Gardevior, but Hector not so much. I'd argue that Lyn would fit it better since it was less important to FE7 then Hector and was one of the many females that was highly suggested to get in. It also crushed the Hector fan base if what I remember from ChronoBound's viewpoint is right.

Well I use Hector because at least Lyn made it as an Assist Trophy. Hector got diddly squat. So yes he was a fan character that found most of his support from Nsider (R.I.P).

Do you think the "Ridley" of speculation would be a title like the "Geno" is. Geno's a weird choice that gets behind for whatever reason, but then there's Ridley who everyone gets behind for all the reason in the world. AND NEITHER GET IN. If there were a "Ridley" of Melee, I wonder if it would be Diddy Kong? Wario? Dedede? Where's that Chrono FELLA bounding across Smash speculation history.


@N: You BET I feel you. My hands are just ALL OVER YOU. Your nerves just can't get enough of their supple touch.

Who was the Ridley of Melee? Probably MetaKnight. EVERYONE wanted MetaKnight, I wanted MetaKnight. Everyone kept complaining how he deserved to be in Super Smash Bros and would be such an awesome character, so it was no surprise to me he was the first new character shown. I think people got a little more than they bargained for at the end of the day...

 

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I wonder cult fanbases there are for this game as of now. Waluigi?

 

[Metal Overlord]

^ Pichu and Doc, maybe?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm down with that for sure, but there will always be baboons whining that SE has two reps

Screw 'em. One's a Mario character, one's a new series.

Seriously, Nintendo, just buy everything from SMRPG. PROBLEM SOLVED.

@Try-Hyphen: Toad, Waluigi Geno, MegaMan, for starters.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Toad's beaten Bowser Jr. in requests, and suprisingly enough there's actually been slowly rising support for Lip lately. (Most notably in Gamefaqs)

(-l-i-)

Isaac's requested everywhere... (So EVERYONE has played Golden Sun? Or is he just the Zoroark/Chrome of the new franchise representing?)

 

[yani]

Seriously, Nintendo, just buy everything from SMRPG. PROBLEM SOLVED.

I wish man. Geno & Mallow in Mario Kart?!?

 

[Oasis_S]

Who was the Ridley of Melee? Probably MetaKnight. EVERYONE wanted MetaKnight, I wanted MetaKnight. Everyone kept complaining how he deserved to be in Super Smash Bros, so it was no surprise to me he was the first new character shown.

Seriously? I thought I remembered someone saying that people had thought Meta Knight was such a weird choice upon seeing the Brawl trailer. OH WELL.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wish man. Geno & Mallow in Mario Kart?!?

I'd LOVE it. It'd be better than Queen Bee, amirite? Although I liked Metal Mario, and Lakitu wasn't a big deal.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Let's put DK Jr. back into the spotlight 'cause I kinda want him in

 

[Starphoenix]

Seriously? I thought I remembered someone saying that people had thought Meta Knight was such a weird choice upon seeing the Brawl trailer. OH WELL.

No MetaKnight was seen as one of those notable absent characters like Ridley. People were quite disappointed he was not in the game. Coincidentally a lot of people thought Ridley was playable in the game because of his appearance in the intro. So there was some disappointment there too.

 

[nLiM8d]

You BET I feel you. My hands are just ALL OVER YOU. Your nerves just can't get enough of their supple touch.

Personally, I'd prefer that indications of any haptics in my relationship between myself and you didn't bear relevance in this discussion.

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder cult fanbases there are for this game as of now. Waluigi?

Why didn't I think of that? From what I've observed the past six months or so, Waluigi looks to have a very vocal minority in supporters and younger gamers appears to love him. Expect the supporters to harp on the "represent the spin-off" and popularity argument.

 

[Pachinkosam]

Let's put DK Jr. back into the spotlight 'cause I kinda want him in

yeah hes a pretty good character.

 

[yani]

I loved Lakitu being playable :D

DK Jr. is an awesome character, I hope he appears in Mario Tennis 3DS..

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal: but isn't he the current DK we know today?

Unless ya don't believe on whole DK Jr. = Current DK + Cranky = Arcade DK-thing.

 

[Metal Overlord]

^ I actually have no idea about all of that LOL