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Not as much as Ike. The main problem with Roy was that he was a clone. Sakurai's goal was to eliminate clones and while that wasn't the case, he did partly achieve that by making clones less visible (The only obvious clones are Ganondorf and Toon Link) Even if unique characters are getting the axe, it's going to be Lucario as I don't forsee two unique players being removed.
I believe it was the worst selling overall... I think PoR was the best selling Fire Emblem game in the US, but that's not saying much since we've only gotten like 4 of them...Really? I thought PoR and RD were pretty good. RD a bit less, but good nonetheless.
Maybe that's why FE12 isn't come to NA...
Sakurai never intended to eliminate clones.... That's just something people started to say that stupidly caught on. :/
At the very least Lucario and Toon Link are going to be removed (with Toon Link being swapped back for Young Link in light of the 3DS remakes of the N64 Zeldas and Toon Link going into hiatus according Aounuma).
Then why were Pichu, Dr. Mario, and Roy removed? Because let's face it, to most people, they weren't great additions. They were filler characters that weren't needed and was there purely for filling up the roster. Out of the five filler characters in Melee, the only one that was worth adding was Ganondorf, and he was disgraced by being made a clone of Captain Falcon. It definitely contributed to Dr. Mario's removal (I suspect he was going to Mario's alternate costume in Brawl) and I believe it also contributed to why Pichu and Roy are not in either (Roy was planned, but was removed).
Do you know how stupid Sakurai will look like if he brought back a character that was already removed ? and BTW the thing about Roy game being the 3rd most selling game in the series it show how much the advertisement worked.....the game was nice but it was too simple compared to complicated mechanics like PoR or RD where PoR and RD characters can have moves created easily because they can Learn special skills that adds to their unique critical strikes, Marth move set barely had basis while Ike move set had basis for every single move even Eruption (Bolganone the spell).
Well it's obvious that Ike wasn't included simply to "promote" him in Brawl, he was already established despite the game being out for 2 years, Sakurai could have easily have added the RD version of Ike or Macaiah if promoting them would have had something to do with it.
Yes, Sakurai was not intending to cut anyone, except for possibly Pichu whom was probably the only Smash Bros. character to be despised. Young Link was basically given a new style in the form of Toon Link. Pichu was probably going to be replaced with Plusle & Pinun whom look only like palette swap of Pichu.
Mewtwo case is different because it seems him and Lucario were going to be considered clones and I think Lucario is the better fit for SSB but you know I would love to have Mew Two back
but again it will be a stupid move from sakurai to remove a newer character and put back a melee character instead, be cause sakurai want to be constant when he works he will forget about Melee and base everything of Brawl.....
First off, clones aren't "filler" characters. At least they weren't in Melee. They had some extra time during development, so Sakurai decided "Hey, why not throw in some clone characters?"...
This guy has the right idea, Roy's game simply didn't compare to Ike FE, therefore fans were more impressed with FE12 than Roy's.
What part of Ike's game being the WORST selling one did you not understand? Sales talk.
Well that's your opinion, but what if there isn't a new lord?? What would happen then??
Radiant Dawn is the biggest game in the franchise you can't deny that and it was amazing (PoR was better imo) but really since when sales talk in SSB ? Fire Emblem in term of sales is a weak franchise the only one who talks is Sakurai my friend ,because he is a big fan of the game and I think he is actually fond of Ike, why would he let him a starter character if he didn't like him and BTW most fire emblem Lord tend to look speedy even Roy and the only compatitor for the Power spot is Ike and Hector ( Ike wins for being already in SSBB and Hector will have a hard time), Radiant Dawn Ike have the look of a slow character to, so Ike still has something to brag about.
I see it that way, one of them is from the young link time line and the other is from the Adult link timeline.
I don't think there is any proof yet available as to saying that Pra_Mai was the random selection box. It was just an assumed rumour. However, it is true that Pra_Mai could stand for about anything (including the random square). However, Plusle and Minun at the time of Brawl's development seemed quite likely due to their high popularity and the fact that Pichu did not reappear in Brawl (the duo resembles Pichu).
- I wouldn't say at the very least we will be losing two Brawl newcomers. Lucario is likely, I'll give you that, thought not as much as Mewtwo since he is programmed better then Mewtwo, but as for Toon Link, we'll have to wait and see. For now on the latter, we need to wait up and see if a Toon Zelda game gets announced on the 3DS/Wii-U before deciding whenever or not he's likely to go. He's also been in Spirit Tracks, a major DS game. Even if Toon Link does get replaced, I don't consider it a removal, more of a cosmetic change of the Link's, at least in my opinion."ChronoBound said:
Sakurai treated them as filler characters, that's why they weren't as high of a priority as characters in the game. There is no confirmation that the Plusle/Minun team actually existed. I can also argue that Sakurai ran out of time to develop the characters, which is why we still have clones. If he had about three years to develop Brawl, it would be much more likely that he would have gotten rid of clones. With SSB4 probably being the biggest game in the franchise yet, I guarantee you that the problem with be either sized down or completely removed.
Still, in Melee, Young Link is merely OoT Link's child form, and the two are one in the same.
How is Radiant Dawn the biggest, in length? Radiant Dawn did have the most chapters, until Fire Emlem: New Myster of the Emblem got released. In terms of quality, Radiant Dawn was less well-received both fans and professional reviewers.
Well that may be so, but like I told Colaya, just because he had the worst selling games DOESN'T mean he automatically has to go.
Sakurai is not going to perform another Pichu, after the backlash he got for putting in such a horrible character.Everybody seems to be thinking that the new rep would be Zoroark or Victini. I understand that those two are well known; however, could there be other representatives like Minccino and Emolga? It would be like putting Pichu in melee. These two are also well known in the Pokemon Black and White Games.
Emolga could see a Poke Ball appearance. Not too sure about Minccino though. They're too random anyway.
It was the biggest in terms of story, time they took to work on , it had biggest budget (obviously) and I won't allow you to treat a great game like Radiant Dawn so badly I really don't understand what was bad about it but remember PoR and RD were the biggest games of Fire Emblem to date in every term, I don't what do you have against Ike but you better know that Ike didn't steal your beloved Roy place and you must believe in the fact that Roy won't comeback next SSB4.
Falco is Hardly considered a clone in the same light as toonlink but he only has one more unique move. I think it's just because both links are well link
Ragnell is a 2 handed blade in-fact the in-game stats support Ragnell/Alondite being the heaviest swords.... but as you know Ike style is rough like greil's so in-game stat don't mean anything in SSB.
Agreed, the fact that "it sold poorly" has nothing to do with Ike being cut in Smash at all, it's mindboggling people would say such things without considering the possibilities.
What I will say is that the game was poorly advertised.
..... Yes, on the Smash Dojo Sakurai said th Ragnell was a 2-handed sword and is modeled that way in Brawl.... But it's a single-handed sword in PoR/RD... Anyone who's played it should know that...
But Ike was strong to and he have a great skill....Sakurai had to choose something between these stats and marth doesn't look like the character with strength...while Ike does look like that.
More like Sakurai probably doesn't know much of anything about Ike... <_< So he just kinda made stuff up for him...
But these items would essentially allow a "war games" mode
Nope.... Ike with all these stats on his side would've been very broken and overpowered while slowing him down is a good Idea and giving him a great strength to go with the flow.... (but I must be honest he overslowed him and it wasn't even funny to die with Ike while doing Nair).
Ike had to be slowed down to avoid making him overpowering.