New Smash Bros for WiiU

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Another Mario discussion? Boring.

I'd like to hear more about this Smash Congress concept. lol

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If it's a two party system I bet we have the Kuma and SmashChu Parties lol

 

[Big-Cat]

Lol, it's not like that.

Congress works where the amount of representatives per state is relative to the proportion of a state's population vs the country's population. This is why places like California, Texas, and New York have so many representatives.

 

[Hoots]

Do you have a source to prove it? If not, then it's mere speculation.

Yeah the fuse read the horrible IGNjournalism and got confused.

 

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Lol, it's not like that.

Congress works where the amount of representatives per state is relative to the proportion of a state's population vs the country's population. This is why places like California, Texas, and New York have so many representatives.

I know, I'm just trying to have some fun while also poking fun at Republicans and Democrats. I love political humor.

Now who would be the 3rd party neutral pick?

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Oasis?

 

[Shorts]

Smash congress is a dreadful place. Too many Mario/Pokemon/Zelda/Wii series characters. TOO MANY.

 

[nLiM8d]

Congress works where the amount of representatives per state is relative to the proportion of a state's population vs the country's population. This is why places like California, Texas, and New York have so many representatives.

Sweet, so that means the Pac West will dominate in this discussion.

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waits for Iblis

Yeah the fuse read the horrible IGNjournalism and got confused.

how's that for humor?

 

[Big-Cat]

I know, I'm just trying to have some fun while also poking fun at Republicans and Democrats. I love political humor.

Now who would be the 3rd party neutral pick?

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Oasis?

I didn't bother to look at your location. I remember we have a few people not from the US so I didn't remember if you were or weren't.

 

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I didn't bother to look at your location. I remember we have a few people not from the US so I didn't remember if you were or weren't.

That's okay. All I'm doing is trying to get is a good laugh.

Politics are crazy. lol


We should probably get back on topic now...

 

[nLiM8d]

NSMB Wii might have an affect on how "peaceful" the Toads are. Oh, and SM3DL as well since the Toads actually did accompany Mario all the way from the beginning to into Bowser's Castle to save Peach.

I see your statement.

This is during a phase were "retro is cool right?" is doing wonders for Nintendo. Except, now they need to add more expressive personality since the models they're working with aren't quite 8-bit anymore.

You're gonna see a supporting character here or there for...plot development?

 

[Shorts]

Just caught my ex in a lie. The convo was GOING DOWNHILL because I didn't want to talk to him, so he OF COURSE brings up Nintendo. Tries to tell me he is getting a 3DS for Christmas. Goes on about how he played Mario Kart 7 in Belfast while visiting Oxford for school or something. He told me he played as WALUIGI, and then I was like, ***** I know you didn't just lie to me?

What a fool.

*grumbles and walks off*

 

[nLiM8d]

Peach is fairly balanced right?

I've heard it stated somewhere before that she was on par with Falco.
This is strange to me because of how difficult it is to try to get into her (waits for Oasis).

What is it about peach that makes her accessible?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Just caught my ex in a lie. The convo was GOING DOWNHILL because I didn't want to talk to him, so he OF COURSE brings up Nintendo. Tries to tell me he is getting a 3DS for Christmas. Goes on about how he played Mario Kart 7 in Belfast while visiting Oxford for school or something. He told me he played as WALUIGI, and then I was like, ***** I know you didn't just lie to me?

What a fool.

*grumbles and walks off*

Why in the hell would he lie about that. O___o

 

[Opelucid]

I just logged on so what's the current discussion? I saw you guys were talking about Toad but I'm not sure if you still are.

Just caught my ex in a lie. The convo was GOING DOWNHILL because I didn't want to talk to him, so he OF COURSE brings up Nintendo. Tries to tell me he is getting a 3DS for Christmas. Goes on about how he played Mario Kart 7 in Belfast while visiting Oxford for school or something. He told me he played as WALUIGI, and then I was like, ***** I know you didn't just lie to me?

What a fool.

*grumbles and walks off*

I'm sorry but this really made me laugh... maybe because you mentioned Waluigi I don't know why he would lie about that though. I hope I didn't offend you by saying this made me laugh >.>

 

[nLiM8d]

I just logged on so what's the current discussion? I saw you guys were talking about Toad but I'm not sure if you still are.

All the insight in the world wouldn't prepare you for this chain of subject jumping.

 

[-Mars-]

Just caught my ex in a lie. The convo was GOING DOWNHILL because I didn't want to talk to him, so he OF COURSE brings up Nintendo. Tries to tell me he is getting a 3DS for Christmas. Goes on about how he played Mario Kart 7 in Belfast while visiting Oxford for school or something. He told me he played as WALUIGI, and then I was like, ***** I know you didn't just lie to me?

What a fool.

*grumbles and walks off*

foolish indeed, wtf is his bi doin outside of the kitchen? better gtfo my smashboards and go play cooking mama


also, in smash 4, i heard it was gonna be like street fighter 1 where you are invincible during hitstun/hitlag.

the objective when making a new smash game is to combo less right?

 

[Hoots]

That's okay. All I'm doing is trying to get is a good laugh.

Politics are crazy. lol


We should probably get back on topic now...

Ron Paul 2012.

Anyways, I'm super glad Waluigi didn't make ut into MK7. If Diddy can't be playable, than neither should Waluigi as far as Im concerned. Although I REALLY question the roster choices... A fat Bee? Metal Mario? WIGGLER? Come on, man!

 

[Oasis_S]

I know, I'm just trying to have some fun while also poking fun at Republicans and Democrats. I love political humor.

Now who would be the 3rd party neutral pick? Oasis?

Peach is fairly balanced right?

I've heard it stated somewhere before that she was on par with Falco.
This is strange to me because of how difficult it is to try to get into her (waits for Oasis).

What is it about peach that makes her accessible?

I'm a pretty popular guy.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Peach can go into aerials quicker than most characters, and has a decent enough projectile game. If speaking about Melee however, I dont think anybody has to explain why Peach is dangerous...

What's being discussed now btw??

Anyways, I'm super glad Waluigi didn't make ut into MK7. If Diddy can't be playable, than neither should Waluigi as far as Im concerned. Although I REALLY question the roster choices... A fat Bee? Metal Mario? WIGGLER? Come on, man!

Agreed. Agreed much. I'm gonna cross my fingers for Smash 4's roster...

Actually, Saurai MAY CARE TO AN EXTENT about over representation, I recall reading an article where they used those exact words, but I don't think it was simply oriented towards characters. I think it was just trying to not have TOO MUCH MARIO, or ZELDA (Something he actually says he DOESN'T WANT) content in Smash. Trying to keep it even in that respects. Nothing like Smash congress which so many people like to turn this into.

My problem with Toad is that I just don't see him too much of a fighter, and his roles are always this background character, or a placeholder for another character. In NSMBWii, toads were simply Mario and Luigi. Nothing different about them. In SMB2, Toad (and Peach in a lot respects) got their attacks simply from the character's they replaced.

Sakurai only seems to bring up Toad being: Fast and Strong, good with Karts, and being peaceful.

I would also like to note that Krystal's trophy is the only SF character to reference her skills in combat. Peppy and Slippy do not.

I do remember reading something similar about over repping, but Sakurai was refering to his own Kirby characters about Melee. It's the only thing I ever recall to have read about actually.

Pit's trophy in Melee was also very suggestive that he could be a candidate by saying "will Pit ever fight again?". Then again, maybe Sakurai wanted to revive Kid Icarus all along? But couldn't do so cause he didn't knew how to make wings work yet perhaps? (Which could also be the reason why we had no MetaKnight in Melee)

 

[-Mars-]

smash 4 kirby d3 mk fololo&falala for god tier gimps and chaingays.

 

[Diddy Kong]

All Kirby characters where very good in Brawl indeed, but Kirby needed the buff. It'd be hilarious if MetaKnight ended up low tier or worse in Smash 4 though.

 

[-Mars-]

metaknight is gonna get like ULTRA nerfed, sakurai failed epic at balancing this game and will do it again.

 

[nLiM8d]

I'm a pretty popular guy.

Is the term 'popular' symbiotic with 'notorious'? If so, the yes you are a popular derp specialist.

It'd be hilarious if MetaKnight ended up low tier or worse in Smash 4 though.

Though it would be poetic justice if such a thing were to transpire, I'm not concerned about that. Call them tweaks, call them nerfs, I'm interested in a well balanced cast.

Here's a couple things to think about:

-How is Metaknight any different (if we're discussing metagame antics) than Melee Marth?
-would it have been better to include Classic sonic over Modern? If so, how would he be balanced?

 

[Aurane]

metaknight is gonna get like ULTRA nerfed, sakurai failed epic at balancing this game and will do it again.

MK will become a new boss and use spam attacks, like a... MK user.

Is the term 'popular' symbiotic with 'notorious'? If so, the yes you are a popular derp specialist.

Oasis is a good guy, really.

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And that's called acting.

Lol jkin

 

[-Mars-]

MK will become a new boss and use spam attacks, like a... MK user.



Oasis is a good guy, really.

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And that's called acting.

Lol jkin

dsmash>upb all day, the anti scrub defense, its UNSTOPPABLE. itd be like the godliest cpu smash has ever known.

 

[Aurane]

dsmash>upb all day, the anti scrub defense, its UNSTOPPABLE. itd be like the godliest cpu smash has ever known.

Heh, if you get too close... (B)^. Lands after use XD

 

[Diddy Kong]

Is the term 'popular' symbiotic with 'notorious'? If so, the yes you are a popular derp specialist.



Though it would be poetic justice if such a thing were to transpire, I'm not concerned about that. Call them tweaks, call them nerfs, I'm interested in a well balanced cast.

Here's a couple things to think about:

-How is Metaknight any different (if we're discussing metagame antics) than Melee Marth?
-would it have been better to include Classic sonic over Modern? If so, how would he be balanced?

MetaKnight is different from Melee's Marth because he outspeeds everyone and can combo the hell out of anyone while combos in the game are a rarity to begin with. Marth in Melee is not the only one who can combo (I think Sheik would even be better at it than him), and he's got at least some weaknesses you can exploit with the higher tiers I guess. MetaKnights only weakness are perhaps bananas? It's all about perception I guess.

Then again, I doubt MetaKnight will get nerfed too much. Falco and Marth are in comparison probably just as good in Brawl as they where in Melee tier wise. And I doubt Sakurai wasn't aware of how good they where in Melee... Yoshi also is more or less the same story, same strenghts, same weaknesses, same tier placement. They really need a good team to balance every character out as good as possible for this one.

 

[Big-Cat]

Pit's trophy in Melee was also very suggestive that he could be a candidate by saying "will Pit ever fight again?". Then again, maybe Sakurai wanted to revive Kid Icarus all along? But couldn't do so cause he didn't knew how to make wings work yet perhaps? (Which could also be the reason why we had no MetaKnight in Melee)

Something tells me the whole wings thing is bull. Pit may not have been revived back then since he might not have known what kind of moves to give him.

Oasis is a good guy, really.

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And that's called acting.

Lol jkin

If you're going to joke, you should be more subtle about it.

 

[-Mars-]

Heh, if you get too close... (B)^. Lands after use XD

smash 4 he'll have infinite jumps and specials wont special fall.

MetaKnight is different from Melee's Marth because he outspeeds everyone and can combo the hell out of anyone while combos in the game are a rarity to begin with. Marth in Melee is not the only one who can combo (I think Sheik would even be better at it than him), and he's got at least some weaknesses you can exploit with the higher tiers I guess. MetaKnights only weakness are perhaps bananas? It's all about perception I guess.

Then again, I doubt MetaKnight will get nerfed too much. Falco and Marth are in comparison probably just as good in Brawl as they where in Melee tier wise. And I doubt Sakurai wasn't aware of how good they where in Melee... Yoshi also is more or less the same story, same strenghts, same weaknesses, same tier placement. They really need a good team to balance every character out as good as possible for this one.

no johns, meta is the same as melee marth except 5 jumps and no spike.+


EDIT: kid icarus is a garbage game and pit is a garbage character. even though it may be sad for smash 4 i hope the kid icarus game fails and pit dies forever with only a faint memory of the disgusting stain he made on smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

5 jumps over Marth seems like realy overpowered already to me.

Just imagine if they'll try and transfer Melee's Fox playstyle over to a new character...

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Say, Peppy with a Barrel Roll down B similar to the Shine, and he can Wavedash with side B calling it Bunny Hop, have a laser as fast as Fox's with the properties of Falco's. I can totally see it happening

EDIT: You just hatin Pit cause of the HAYAYAYAYAYAAAAHHH and the God horrible voice he has. I'm at least curious about the new Kid Icarus cause Sakurai makes / made it. There's probably gonna be one weapon that's insanely overpowered though... :/ That's just how the Smash team rolls and is heavily expected.

 

[Oasis_S]

Sakurai said the concept behind Meta Knight was to have a character that racks up damage very well, but has a hard time landing a KO. So, how far would nerfing his Dsmash and... Fair go? Probably Uspecial too.

I MEAN TO SAY, it would only take some rather minor tweaks to bring him down to a more balanced level, right? Or is his STRENGTH just INHERENT?

 

[-Mars-]

5 jumps over Marth seems like realy overpowered already to me.

Just imagine if they'll try and transfer Melee's Fox playstyle over to a new character...

EDIT: You just hatin Pit cause of the HAYAYAYAYAYAAAAHHH and the God horrible voice he has. I'm at least curious about the new Kid Icarus cause Sakurai makes / made it. There's probably gonna be one weapon that's insanely overpowered though... :/ That's just how the Smash team rolls and is heavily expected.

pits so fail his archnemesis is a ****in eggplant. I'm not curious at all, Sakurai just wanted to see if the 50$ drink coaster business was worth getting into.

 

[nLiM8d]

You just hatin Pit cause of the words...

Essentially...his storyline concept also uninteresting.

Also, Nintendo's track record with VA exemplifies why they shouldn't attempt to approach it any further by any means.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sakurai said the concept behind Meta Knight was to have a character that racks up damage very well, but has a hard time landing a KO. So, how far would nerfing his Dsmash and... Fair go? Probably Uspecial too.

I MEAN TO SAY, it would only take some rather minor tweaks to bring him down to a more balanced level, right? Or is his STRENGTH just INHERENT?

Who knows? Maybe Sakurai has the worst MetaKnight in the world, and a Ganon, Link and Zelda who he could bring to God-tier on his own?

The nerfs you suggested aren't just good, they are a top priority. Speaking of priority, he could need less of that ot.

pits so fail his archnemesis is a ****in eggplant. I'm not curious at all, Sakurai just wanted to see if the 50$ drink coaster business was worth getting into.

Right now it's a jiggly ******d giant snake headed wizard woman. Who would also make quite a moveset for Smash 4 I guess

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turning character's into stone anyone??

 

[-Mars-]

Essentially...his storyline concept also seems rather uninteresting.

Also, Nintendo's track record with VA exemplifies why they shouldn't attempt to approach it any further by any means.

VA?

IMHO, sakurai is a gamer child/noob inside and he's immature enough to let his PERSONAL OPINIONS/DESIRES(for example, people will get sad if they think they are good but they actually suck or how all HIS characters[the kirby characters] arent ****ty in any way shape or form in brawl or how the general gameplay of brawl is designed to have ULTRA easy mode free damage combos) get in the way of making good games that are worth our time and $.

 

[Big-Cat]

Sakurai said the concept behind Meta Knight was to have a character that racks up damage very well, but has a hard time landing a KO. So, how far would nerfing his Dsmash and... Fair go? Probably Uspecial too.

I MEAN TO SAY, it would only take some rather minor tweaks to bring him down to a more balanced level, right? Or is his STRENGTH just INHERENT?

It's not like Metaknight's Akuma or anything. The main problems with Meta-Knight are:

1. He can do combos in an otherwise comboless game so he racks up damage quicker than everyone else.
2. If he gets attacked, he has five recovery options, all of which are very good.
3. All of his attacks have transcendent priority meaning nothing beats his attacks in either clash or outpowering.
4. He's a very low risk : very high reward character due to his imbalances.
The first one isn't a problem per se. It's more like everyone else needs to be brought up to Meta Knight's level to some degree. It's like the issue with the first version of AE. You had some very good characters with a distinct top three, but everyone else was either average or sucked which is Brawl's problem.

 

[-Mars-]

It's not like Metaknight's Akuma or anything. The main problems with Meta-Knight are:

1. He can do combos in an otherwise comboless game so he racks up damage quicker than everyone else.
2. If he gets attacked, he has five recovery options, all of which are very good.
3. All of his attacks have transcendent priority meaning nothing beats his attacks in either clash or outpowering.
4. He's a very low risk : very high reward character due to his imbalances.
The first one isn't a problem per se. It's more like everyone else needs to be brought up to Meta Knight's level to some degree. It's like the issue with the first version of AE. You had some very good characters with a distinct top three, but everyone else was either average or sucked which is Brawl's problem.

infinite dimension cape. get on that akuma status. aaaaaaawwww yeah

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why can't I say ******s but I can say boobs?

 

[-Mars-]

Why can't I say ******s but I can say boobs?

im just guessing but its cuz **** are the part under the bra you arent supposed to know about

 

[Big-Cat]

infinite dimension cape. get on that akuma status. aaaaaaawwww yeah

Save for that, yeah.

 

[Diddy Kong]

What about Tornadoes that go through almost everything and are spamable as ****? Also, everyone has got lag on his moves, except MetaKnight. Can't think of any move besides Fsmash that has reasonable punishable lag, and even Fsmash you gotta be quick against...