New Smash Bros for WiiU

[xXIke-SamaXx]

It's true that japanese developers have picked up interest in western developers and games, we'll have to see how that affect the character roster. But really, I think people are over especulating over 3rd party characters. I can see at least ONE more being added, and that's it.

I don't really give a crap about 3rd party and I think we are better off with out them.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Awh, I thought maybe at least Starphoenix would be interested in my stage concept. >:

ANYWAY, I've been thinking about potential characters and how they would bring something new to Smash. It kind of makes me worry about Little Mac. Would only punching really be fun? Would be a bit out of character to do anything else. I'm sure Saki and Isaac don't have anything to worry about. Bound to be unique. I'm sure Ridley would have something unique to himself. Maybe the option of dragging players across the ground either forward or back during a grab. Maybe an aerial grab (If and only if that could be made to not be broken, lol). I guess Takamaru wouldn't have anything to REALLY set him apart, but he'd definitely have a unique moveset. No question about Megaman. :V

Are you kidding me? Did anybody feel like this when playing as Marth or Ike? Because they can only mostly slash.

If anything, having only one means of fighting makes the match ups even more interesting.

Little Mac vs freaking armed-to-the-teeth SAMUS. That's a very interesting mach up to me. :D

 

[Deleted member]

AANYWAY, I've been thinking about potential characters and how they would bring something new to Smash. It kind of makes me worry about Little Mac. Would only punching really be fun? Would be a bit out of character to do anything else.

Maybe he could steal borrow techniques from other Punch-Out characters?

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Your example is a game from 1980 before they went on the consoles. Terrible example.

Well there is a big contrast where games like Dragon Quest are well known in japan they are not that big of a title worldwide....Sadly Fire Emblem falls in the same category but we all know that Sakurai is a Fire Emblem big fan, but when it comes to 3rd party character they must be very picky, about games.

 

[Rhubarbo]

I don't really give a crap about 3rd party and I think we are better off with out them.

Expect SSBU to have a deeper 3rd party line up. Wheather you like it or not, odds are SSB4 will have characters from Megaman, Final Fantasy Dragon Quest, and various other 3rd party franchises.

 

[Deleted member]

Well there is a big contrast where games like Dragon Quest are well known in japan they are not that big of a title worldwide....Sadly Fire Emblem falls in the same category but we all know that Sakurai is a Fire Emblem big fan, but when it comes to 3rd party character they must be very picky, about games.

Slime's Japanese popularity, if Square Enix gets involved in Smash in some way or form, could be enough to make him a playable character. He is very important in Japan and still is popular in other parts of the world. If Sakurai does polls in only one area of the world, it's going to be Japan, Nintendo's homeland.

Expect SSBU to have a deeper 3rd party line up. Wheather you like it or not, odds are SSB4 will have characters from Megaman, Final Fantasy Dragon Quest, and various other 3rd party franchises.

I'm only really expecting 3-4 third-party characters.

 

[Mishudo]

Sup guys.
Alright so I've been reading this thread for a while now, and I've seen it's always talking about what new characters should be. But what about the old ones? Why not improve them? So I guess for the sake of changing the topic, what ideas do you think should change for the current characters(Mainly B moves and FS)?


Mario- I think that with the inclusion of the FLUDD move, he should also gain something from SMG. Perhaps replacing the FLUDD, or making his ^B an antigravity soar like he does in SMG.
Luigi- I think he should gain his pultergeist as his vB just like Mario got his FLUDD. And if mario gets that ^B move changed, Luigi will have his ^B unique.
Peach- Only thing I'd want changed is if Toad got in, then her B attack should change something else.
Bowser- Make his B move slightly different from Charizards. Maybe change vB too, close to Yoshi's.
Donkey Kong- Definately change his FS. Maybe incorporate riding a rhino in his FS or regular moveset.
Diddy Kong- If his >B hits, he should cling to you.
Yoshi-Maybe change vB, close to Bowser's
Wario- Maybe tweak his ^B a bit
Link- No complaints. Maybe you could charge his ^B?
Sheik/Zelda-Maybe give them different FS
Gannondorf-FS great. Moveset, horrible. Give him his own
Toon Link- Give him his own moveset and FS. Or change him to MM young link.
Samus- No complaints
Pit- Maybe vB hurts opponent when unleashed. And change FS if she gets in
Ice Climbers- No Complaints
ROB- Maybe make FS more exciting, like the SSE bomb
Kirby- Maybe make his ^B a kirby airride machine where he quickly jumps on it and soars up. They could change his >B too, a lot of hammers already
MetaKnight- No complaints
DDD- Change his ^B. Have his B when you suck it in, you can spit them in which direction you want (up down, etc.)
Olimar- No Complaints
Fox- No Complaints
Falco- Change his B to a his cannon. Change his FS to an airwing. Alter his >B and ^B a little bit from Fox's, like his reflector kick.
Wolf- Change his FS
C. Falcon- No Complaints
Pikachu-No complaints
PT- Alter charizard's B a bit from Bowser's. Maybe incorporate Steel wing somewhere? Make squirtle's withdraw able to be controlled from side to side, and his water gun actually do damage.
Lucario- Maybe make his ^B able to do damage when hit by it
Jigglypuff- Maybe make her ^B have her sing in a twirl which causes her to rise
Marth- No Complaints
Ike- Change his vB animation
Ness- No complaints
Lucas- Make his >B, ^B, and vB different like his B is from Ness. Change his FS (or vice versa)
G&W- No Complaints
Snake- No Complaints
Sonic- Change either B, >B, or vB, all very similar to each other


I'm new here too so yeah haha
Hope you enjoyed it

 

[shinhed-echi]

Maybe he could steal borrow techniques from other Punch-Out characters?

I would prefer he keeps his own attacks. Nothing against having Bull Rush, Spin Punch or the Sandman uppercut...

But Little Mac has:


-Star Punch [Punch Out!] (up+b)
-Rapid Punch (infighitng) [Super Punch Out!] (b)
-Resting/Boosting morale [Punch Out!, Super Punch Out! / Punch Out Wii] (down+b)
-Counterpunching [every Punch Out game] (side+b)
(A one frame counter would give him that Punch Out feel, IMO)

He could work with these attacks IMO.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Slime's Japanese popularity, if Square Enix gets involved in Smash in some way or form, could be enough to make him a playable character. He is very important in Japan and still is popular in other parts of the world.
I'm only really expecting 3-4 third-party characters.

I'm expecting nothing the fact that 3rd party character did the thing they were supposed to do advertising (OMG sonic VS mario MUST HAVE)....next SSB might have no 3rd party character because Nintendo revived quite a lot of their franchises and they are doing very well, Nintendo have group of the most well known characters in history of gaming.

 

[Oasis_S]

Maybe he could steal borrow techniques from other Punch-Out characters?

Wow, I'm dumb for not thinking of that. Especially when that's how I think of Sukapon's moveset. :V

And it's funny that Marth is brought up, because I've even said before that he could be like Marth (uppercut, Punching combo, ...a big punch, and a counter punch). Also it's not like I want to argue against him or anything, I'd love to see him, but I'm just afraid Sakurai might pass him by since an all-punch moveset isn't very interesting (novel, sure, but not interesting).

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Mario- I think that with the inclusion of the FLUDD move, he should also gain something from SMG. Perhaps replacing the FLUDD, or making his ^B an antigravity

Supporting this idea to the max and he can have his Galaxy spin as Down-B.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Wow, I'm dumb for not thinking of that. Especially when that's how I think of Sukapon's moveset. :V

And it's funny that Marth is brought up, because I've even said before that he could be like Marth (uppercut, Punching combo, ...a big punch, and a counter punch). Also it's not like I want to argue against him or anything, I'd love to see him, but I'm just afraid Sakurai might pass him by since an all-punch moveset isn't very interesting (novel, sure, but not interesting).

I know you didn't mean it that way. I was just hoping that Sakurai wouldn't consider him uninteresting after he makes a character fight with ONE HAND and a sword.

But I guess if they need to spice him up a bit, they could give him other boxers' moves, no problem.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

I know you didn't mean it that way. I was just hoping that Sakurai wouldn't consider him uninteresting after he makes a character fight with ONE HAND and a sword.

But I guess if they need to spice him up a bit, they could give him other boxers' moves, no problem.

ME....Support....Lil' Mac , infact I support any Nintendo character over 3rd party character because I believe Nintendo can stand with their characters only.

 

[shinhed-echi]

ME....Support....Lil' Mac :D

Gloved brofist!

 

[Deleted member]

I'm expecting nothing the fact that 3rd party character did the thing they were supposed to do advertising (OMG sonic VS mario MUST HAVE)....next SSB might have no 3rd party character because Nintendo revived quite a lot of their franchises and they are doing very well, Nintendo have group of the most well known characters in history of gaming.

I'm pretty sure that they would lose a lot of people if they removed Snake and Sonic. Snake got in because Kojima wanted him in Melee and then Brawl. Sonic got in due to huge popularity and being the #1 most requested character. I wouldn't count on them just forgetting about those two and dropping them in the next installment.

 

[Oasis_S]

Also, pink jumpsuit for Little Mac as an alternate costume. It is a must and is inarguable.

 

[Mishudo]

Supporting this idea to the max and he can have his Galaxy spin as Down-B.

Thank you :D His moveset possibilities are pretty numerous, espically with all these unique games.

I also think Lil Mac easily has a chance to get in. People may complain all he can do is punch, but Sakurai took C. Falcon who could only drive! There's definately a way he could make a moveset for him.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I did state some possible bosses earlier, and covered Tiki Tong and Kyurem. Some more details, regarding some of my stated bosses.

King Boo: King Boo utilizes his army of Boos to attack you. While you can't directly harm King Boo himself at the moment, you can take out his Boo army. Once all the Boos are gone, King Boo's strength will be weakened enough so that you can directly harm him. King Boo will utilize various commands to his Boos, and can also try to intimidate the player to paralyze him/her briefly. He'll also release homing fireballs, which can be reflected back at him.

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Stallord: Stallord first stays on the ground, and will constantly summon Stalfos to guard it. It'll also use its arms to try to repel the player. You have to constantly attack its lower body to damage it. When half of its HP is gone, Stallord will detach from its body, and attempt to ram into you with its own head. Stallord can spit out fireballs during this phase.

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Galacta Knight: Galacta Knight utilizes the same kind of attacks that he used in Kirby Super Star Ultra. He'll also summon his own version of the Meta-Knights during the fight. A lot of Galacta Knight's attacks involve racking up damage. However, as his health drops, he'll utilize some stronger attacks as well. When his HP runs very low, Galacta Knight will start to summon giant tornadoes, which can cause instant KOs on harder skill levels. As a result, Galacta Knight can be very dangerous when fought in Boss Battles on the Hard, Very Hard, and Intense difficulties. Fortunately, the attack has less power on Very Easy, Easy, and Normal.

Porky: Porky returns with the exact same attack pattern as in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but with some slight changes. He's also the only boss from the Subspace Emissary to return and maintain his boss status; Ridley becomes a playable character.

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Now for another 3rd party boss. I did up Bahamut to represent Final Fantasy and Square Enix. Time for a boss from Sonic's series to pop up.

Egg Viper: Yup, this nasty machine from Sonic Adventure gets to shine once more. It'll attack by firing lasers at you, and you can only damage the bot by attacking Dr. Eggman when he opens up his cockpit. As you damage the Egg Viper, it'll add some stronger lasers into the fray. The Egg Viper will also utilize the spinning discs on its sides to try to attack you, but you can use them to get to the cockpit. Most of the Egg Viper's attacks aren't that strong, but some of them can be quite dangerous on the harder skill levels.

Spoiler

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Thank you :D His moveset possibilities are pretty numerous, espically with all these unique games.

I also think Lil Mac easily has a chance to get in. People may complain all he can do is punch, but Sakurai took C. Falcon who could only drive! There's definately a way he could make a moveset for him.

I was excited about the Idea of the fludd and I forgot to welcome you to the boards... Welcome Mishudo-San :D.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Listening to Japanese gamers is what got us Melee's roster.

And I personally felt the Melee roster kinda blew, aside from Peach and Ice Climbers.

Slime's Japanese popularity, if Square Enix gets involved in Smash in some way or form, could be enough to make him a playable character. He is very important in Japan and still is popular in other parts of the world. If Sakurai does polls in only one area of the world, it's going to be Japan, Nintendo's homeland.
I'm only really expecting 3-4 third-party characters.

Wouldn't square maybe pick a more aesthetically fitting character, with (I agree with the other fella) some form of even close to proper proportions like say, for example, Geno or Black/White mage?

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Double Post sorry.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

And I personally felt the Melee roster kinda blew, aside from Peach and Ice Climbers.

The only thing that I love and Japanese love is Fire Emblem but I'm a big hater of most RPGs that involve leveling up a character that you won't use in a fight against a human.... (Pokemon is considered one of my top list must buy games).

 

[Deleted member]

And I personally felt the Melee roster kinda blew, aside from Peach and Ice Climbers.



Wouldn't square maybe pick a more aesthetically fitting character, with (I agree with the other fella) some form of even close to proper proportions like say, for example, Geno or Black/White mage?

Considering that Geno is relatively unimportant to Nintendo/Square Enix/Mario history, most likely not. I also see little support for Black/White Mage, so they're also really unlikely.

Slime is pretty much our best chance of us getting a Square rep, regardless of proportion.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Considering that Geno is relatively unimportant to Nintendo/Square Enix/Mario history, most likely not. I also see little support for Black/White Mage, so they're also really unlikely.

Slime is pretty much our best chance of us getting a Square rep, regardless of proportion.

I fail to see what make Slime awesome it's just a Slime......it's one of the most overrated characters that I've seen in my life.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Considering that Geno is relatively unimportant to Nintendo/Square Enix/Mario history, most likely not. I also see little support for Black/White Mage, so they're also really unlikely.

Slime is pretty much our best chance of us getting a Square rep, regardless of proportion.

If Square even goes in on this smash, I seriously doubt it'd be Slime, no personality, has made a few cameo's in Mario games, as opposed to Geno who was an important plot element in the one game he's been in. I do also feel both characters have a fairly equal fanbase.

I agree with above poster.

 

[shinhed-echi]

For some reason I can see Chocobo before I see Slime.

Chocobo is cute, quick, useful, has had interesting moves, and alternate colors (With different abilities), is also a mascot, and has had a franchise of his own too.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

For some reason I can see Chocobo before I see Slime.

Chocobo is cute, quick, useful, has had interesting moves, and alternate colors (With different abilities), is also a mascot, and has had a franchise of his own too.

As much as I do enjoy the Chocoboes, I have to say again that Chocobo has no personality... that's kind of a big deal for me.

Slime doesnt have any ****ing limbs.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

For some reason I can see Chocobo before I see Slime.

Chocobo is cute, quick, useful, has had interesting moves, and alternate colors (With different abilities), is also a mascot, and has had a franchise of his own too.

Althought I hate FF but I agree ....atleast it's has proportion unlike Slime.

 

[shinhed-echi]

As much as I do enjoy the Chocoboes, I have to say again that Chocobo has no personality... that's kind of a big deal for me.

Well. It depends. Bear in mind I don't exactly support him, but I know of a few things.

They can be loyal (FFV's boko)
Temperamental (FFVII when you attack them) (FFV, when he refused to follow orders to the main character)
Emotional (Chocobo's picture storybook)

Some of them are. But the one who shines the most, to me, is Boko from FFV. He even becomes a summon attack for the main character to use.

WARK WARK! Eh... sorry.

Anyway... There's no point in comparison that as far as personality goes, Chocobo >>>>> Slime.

 

[L-a-t-e-r-a-l-u-s]

Well. It depends. Bear in mind I don't exactly support him, but I know of a few things.

They can be loyal (FFV's boko)
Temperamental (FFVII when you attack them) (FFV, when he refused to follow orders to the main character)
Emotional (Chocobo's picture storybook)

Some of them are. But the one who shines the most, to me, is Boko from FFV. He even becomes a summon attack for the main character to use.

WARK WARK! Eh... sorry.

Anyway... There's no point in comparison that as far as personality goes, Chocobo >>>>> Slime.

I agree with the statements you have presented, however, I still feel like it doesn't have enough personality, like say Samus or Bowser.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why are people talking ablot Chocobo's or even FF series for that matter? There 3rd party that we aren't likely to see.

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I WANT CLOUD!!

 

[Deleted member]

And I personally felt the Melee roster kinda blew, aside from Peach and Ice Climbers.

That's beside the point. If Sakurai is going to listen to anyone, it's going to be Japanese fans.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

Why are people talking ablot Chocobo's or even FF series for that matter? There 3rd party that we aren't likely to see.

Spoiler

I WANT CLOUD!!

I hate CLOUD!!! (although he is my second main in Dissidia.)

 

[OmegaXXII]

That's beside the point. If Sakurai is going to listen to anyone, it's going to be Japanese fans.

This is pretty much true, it's a sad truth, but least there's hope for:

Custom Robo Series particularly Ray MK I.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well I'd prefer we talked about 1st/2nd parties. But Chocobo was one of the 3rd parties I supported back then (next to Megaman and Crono of course), so I couldn't help it. I don't feel so strongly about him now.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

That's beside the point. If Sakurai is going to listen to anyone, it's going to be Japanese fans.

Well I don't give a **** about who is he going to listen to but he better put Vanguard Ike or....or I tell ya .....OR!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

If Square even goes in on this smash, I seriously doubt it'd be Slime, no personality, has made a few cameo's in Mario games, as opposed to Geno who was an important plot element in the one game he's been in. I do also feel both characters have a fairly equal fanbase.

I agree with above poster.

Personality doesn't matter. You could make the same argument towards Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and other Pokemon characters.

And Slime didn't make cameos, he was playable in those games. Big difference. Also, Geno was a one-time show while Slime is a significant character Dragon Quest, Square Enix, and to lesser extend, Nintendo platforms.

 

[xXIke-SamaXx]

This is pretty much true, it's a sad truth, but least there's hope for:

Custom Robo Series particularly Ray MK I.

RAY for the win!!! xD I love this game first time I bought it was for the Game Cube the multi player was so much fun!! xD

 

[Mishudo]

So would Marina from Mischief Makers be considered 3rd party since she was developed by Treasure?

 

[shinhed-echi]

RAY for the win!!! xD I love this game first time I bought it was for the Game Cube the multi player was so much fun!! xD

I sadly never played that game when I should've. I don't know what I missed, but it looked really good back then.



@Mishudo: Good question... Treasure also made Sin & Punishment.. but I think Mischief Makers was a Treasure game, not a Nintendo game developed by Treasure.