New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Diddy Kong]

Mewtwo could be the sole exception of a returning character. Then again, that would cause a lot of playable Pokemon characters in Smash 4...

 

[Aurane]

@Shortie Alright... Totally wrong, bro. Maybe in your mind, but... bah, forget it, and listen.

First off, Y.Link was VERY popular. But not in the competitive scene, so I hear. Competitive isn't the main way to play Smash, so that isn't a valid arguement. Also, foot note on Young Link: He's possible for returning if TL doesn't clean up.

ROB and Olimar are unique, sure. But can this be used as an arguement when Mewtwo left? He is the only smasher that actually makes opponents dizzy by one move. Not a single soul afterwards had this ability. Plus his Teleportation for guarding and (B)^ was rather interesting. Plus his fanbase crushes ROB and Olimars. Perhaps a valid argument is that they found replacements for Mewtwo. I can name who'd replace these two:
Olimar=revamped Yoshi
ROB=Terrible moveset, but... Definatly Deoxys.
Ice Climbers=Minum and Plusle/Baby Mario & Luigi

Nvm on Jiggz. She has one wall and apparently it's made of diamond

When did I say anything about Doc and Pichu? I vote for their return, so long as they return with better standards, like Pichu's ability to lose HP by attacking. Maybe Doc could have a little bit of a difference, but not too much, which I can understand.


My opinion is my opinion. No one told you to like it. I personally don't agree with most of what you talk about, but I don't say nething.

@All Mostly, I wish everyone would come back. I've said that for years, now. But IF they have to cut, I'd say mostly IC, Olimar, and ROB. They CAN be replaced. I'll prove it by making moveset remixes from the cut to the new.

 

[Opelucid]

Mewtwo could be the sole exception of a returning character. Then again, that would cause a lot of playable Pokemon characters in Smash 4...

Agreed, but to be honest I'd actually prefer a completely new Pokemon rep instead of Mewtwo that's not Victini or Zoroark or Genesect something new like Pokemon Rescue Team or something.

Also asage don't get me wrong but IC and ROB aren't going anywhere... this is just my opinion but they're far more unique and important than Young Link.

 

[Tacket]

Exactly, Sakurai even stated himself that he doesn't like over-representing
franchises.
Mewtwo was to be replaced by a newer Pokémon and Lucario will suffer the same fate by a Gen V Pokémon.

 

[Aurane]

I fear this fate for Lucario, which is why I hope Victini makes it.

 

[Opelucid]

Exactly, Sakurai even stated himself that he doesn't like over-representing
franchises.
Mewtwo was to be replaced by a newer Pokémon and Lucario will suffer the same fate by a Gen V Pokémon.

I don't think Mewtwo was really "replaced" Mewtwo's plays completely different than Lucario I think that Mewtwo was supposed to be in Brawl he just wasn't added due to time restraints.

 

[Aurane]

@Opelucid IC, maybe. But ROB? I'm 80% sure he ain't coming back. Also, I think he means a new Pokemon to replace a PKMN just to make room. Which makes sense...

 

[Tacket]

I don't think Mewtwo was really "replaced" Mewtwo's plays completely different than Lucario I think that Mewtwo was supposed to be in Brawl he just wasn't added due to time restraints.

Yeah, that and they wanted a fresher, newer character.

P.S. I wasn't saying they had similar sets.
Asage got it.


Also, please note that SSB (series) was not intended to be played competitively, and it is made for casual gamers for the most part.

 

[SmashChu]

Am I the only one who thinks both SmashChu and KumaOso makes good arguments when arguing against each other?

@SSBF I think Smashchu makes good arguements overall, actually Lol So do u when we talk about Pokemon. I can, but don't. I'd rather not get into it like you guys do.

Glad you guys like it.

But now the conversation has shifted to something completely different.

 

[Aurane]

I'm gone for now. I gtg play Halo: CE Anny. Such a pretty game :D

 

[Opelucid]

@Opelucid IC, maybe. But ROB? I'm 80% sure he ain't coming back. Also, I think he means a new Pokemon to replace a PKMN just to make room. Which makes sense...

ROB seems like a staple to me I mean he appears in multiple Nintendo games Kirby,Star Fox, Mario Kart, Star Tropics, F-Zero, and Wario Ware he's made more appearances than Young Link and the Ice Climbers. So I'd say he's pretty dang important to Nintendo

 

[Aurane]

@Opelucid Really? Right... camos. I totally forgot about that! Damn, maybe 50% just because of that.

 

[Big-Cat]

@SmashChu
TL; DR

10whogivesacraps

 

[SmashChu]

@SmashChu
TL; DR

10whogivesacraps

Ehhh, more like you can't and you want to bail.

EDIT: Ehhh, I'll at least give you a reason why I say that. The whole reason I make these post is to kill the sacred cows. I said this because last time we had a large debate it ended with your changing subjects.

 

[Oasis_S]

I think you're right A LOT of the time Chuu~, but at the same time you make silly little points sometimes to go with your MAIN POINTS.

Oh goodness please don't hurt me.

 

[SmashChu]

I think you're right A LOT of the time Chuu~, but at the same time you make silly little points sometimes to go with your MAIN POINTS.

Oh goodness please don't hurt me.

Oasis, your the most interesting person on this board. Why would I hurt you? Plus, who else is going to make silly pictures about the dumb crap that goes on here.

 

[Diddy Kong]

@Shortie Alright... Totally wrong, bro. Maybe in your mind, but... bah, forget it, and listen.

First off, Y.Link was VERY popular. But not in the competitive scene, so I hear. Competitive isn't the main way to play Smash, so that isn't a valid arguement. Also, foot note on Young Link: He's possible for returning if TL doesn't clean up.

ROB and Olimar are unique, sure. But can this be used as an arguement when Mewtwo left? He is the only smasher that actually makes opponents dizzy by one move. Not a single soul afterwards had this ability. Plus his Teleportation for guarding and (B)^ was rather interesting. Plus his fanbase crushes ROB and Olimars. Perhaps a valid argument is that they found replacements for Mewtwo. I can name who'd replace these two:
Olimar=revamped Yoshi
ROB=Terrible moveset, but... Definatly Deoxys.
Ice Climbers=Minum and Plusle/Baby Mario & Luigi

Nvm on Jiggz. She has one wall and apparently it's made of diamond

When did I say anything about Doc and Pichu? I vote for their return, so long as they return with better standards, like Pichu's ability to lose HP by attacking. Maybe Doc could have a little bit of a difference, but not too much, which I can understand.


My opinion is my opinion. No one told you to like it. I personally don't agree with most of what you talk about, but I don't say nething.

@All Mostly, I wish everyone would come back. I've said that for years, now. But IF they have to cut, I'd say mostly IC, Olimar, and ROB. They CAN be replaced. I'll prove it by making moveset remixes from the cut to the new.

Revamped Yoshi for Olimar, hmmm ok that'd work. But then, why wasn't Sheik replaced for Zero Suit Samus in Brawl then? They share more similarities than any thing you've brought up as replacement thus far.

Ice Climbers are one of the uniquest characters in Smash, and they have what I'd like to call "retro status". These characters were added pure for the old skool nostaliga, which goes back so far I can't even remember (SNES was my first console). I doubt that they'd cut Ice Climbers after them being revived so gloriously in Melee.

ROB is different though. He's just as retro, but had his revival before outside of Smash. And you could argue that they made him playable only cause of Subspace Emmisary. So honestly I could see him getting replaced. But I don't count on it.

Olimar will only be cut if there is going to be no Pikmin 3. I never played Pikmin, but I read plenty of sites rumoring about Pikim 3 coming for Wii before, but they cancelled it. I doubt that they will completely abandon the idea though, so I also doubt Olimar is going anywhere. He was also highly requested for Brawl.

So imo the only characters I expect to not return are Ike, Lucario and Sheik. Or at least, I really hope Sheik doesn't return. Everybody is complaining about characters not being fresh, or recent enough.. then why the HELL should Sheik return??? IT'S JUST ONE GAME SHE'S IN. That's not much in a series as huge as Zelda!

 

[Big-Cat]

Ehhh, more like you can't and you want to bail.

Nah, it more has to do with how you have no idea what you're talking about.

You say that movesets were an afterthought when they put these characters into Smash. First off, do you have any proof that this is the case? If anything, it makes more sense to have an idea fleshed out reasonably before going through with it. That's actually where balance comes in. Even Sakurai has mentioned that there are so many variables in the balancing process and even mentions that characters must have strengths and weaknesses. You can't just put attacks together and hope you've got yourself a solid, balanced character. When you design a character, that character must have a general plan in mind when being played. That way, the developers can balance that character and the others while keeping that in mind.

I think I understand you a bit better now based off your big wall of text and your complaints on Skyward Sword. You really do believe that quantity dictates quality for not just sales but everything. You honestly believe that bigger is always better (then where's Ridley? ). It's never about quantity, but quality.

Trying to use quantity as a quality measurement is a logical fallacy. People would buy things based off reviews, but someone has to buy said product before reviewing so the whole thought process is paradoxical. Not only that, but if you have no reviews to go off, you're taking a gamble on the quality of a product. I know plenty of people that have bought plenty of things not knowing the quantity of them and they wish they never bought that stuff.

 

[Aurane]

@Kuma Dirt, set in stains, and lamp oil. Mix them together and Street Fighter was... Oh, w8, I see what your talking about

 

[Shorts]

Yeah, most of your points sucked Asage, so I won't really argue with you. Esp because I just finished my breakfast, and I've had enough pork for the day.

Although I love how I said "Young Link is probably the least liked/used SMASH character" and you somehow got out of it that people didn't like him, or he isn't popular.

yeah, that's because my opinions are GOOD ones. Unlike yours.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly, Sakurai even stated himself that he doesn't like over-representing
franchises.
Mewtwo was to be replaced by a newer Pokémon and Lucario will suffer the same fate by a Gen V Pokémon.

Where does Sakurai state he doesn't like over representation aside from Kirby? Also, Mewtwo was not replaced, he was planned to return in Brawl.

This also contradict your statement saying no Brawl vets would be cut.

 

[Aurane]

@Shortie CONGRATULATIONS! You earned the prize for the dumbest comeback that god gave you.

I nvr even suggested that u said that y.link was not liked by ANYONE. I was correcting you about u saying he isn't a big popular character like Pichu. You were suggesting that Y.Link was at the fish end of the used characters. That's WRONG, sir.

Btw sticks and stones, bro. Dunno why ur freaking out. Oh that's right, because if your word isn't right, you MAKE it right. I was SUGGESTING my OPINION about something that is minor towards what I THINK should happen, which is to bring everyone back, which I've said b4. And the sausage/pork joke makes me laugh, because they apparently can't read "Asage". Or in u and Oasis's apparent problem, at all. Freak on me, I'll bite back.

I'm gunna go play Brawl against a short Zelda... And win

 

[Tacket]

In other news: Ridley will never be a playable character, get over it.

 

[---]

Hmm, I'm not going to lie, the last 3 pages are just full of dumb.

It's funny though to see the Kuma-Chu War escalate again. Makes me wish I had my own rival on this thread instead of being a lone wolf.

 

[Shorts]

Hey Asage, I know you're buddy buddy with Nintendo, and I was wondering is NintendoOfJapan@hotmail.com the right place to be sending my wishlists and cries to? Or is it NintendoCO@yahoo.com?

Anyways, enough attention for you mister~

 

[Aurane]

@Shortie I don't get it, nor want to. Should I just admire the fact that you're still talking?

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Hmm, I'm not going to lie, the last 3 pages are just full of dumb.

It's funny though to see the Kuma-Chu War escalate again. Makes me wish I had my own rival on this thread instead of being a lone wolf.

THIS

Is pretty much why I don't come here very often anymore.... but if I want to talk SSB4, it looks like I have no choice.

 

[Tacket]

Where does Sakurai state he doesn't like over representation aside from Kirby? Also, Mewtwo was not replaced, he was planned to return in Brawl.

This also contradict your statement saying no Brawl vets would be cut.

When he said he didn't want to over-represent Kirby, I assumed he also implied that he didn't want any other universes over-represented. It makes sense.

Sorry about the contradiction. I forgot all about Lucario. He is the only character I believe will be replaced.

 

[Opelucid]

Shortie and asage stop arguing seriously...

 

[Tacket]

No, keep arguing until one of you eventually gets carpal tunnel from rage-typing.

 

[Aurane]

Or not T_T

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Shortie and asage stop arguing seriously...

Agreed.



And cut characters? Did people seriously suggest Olimar and Jigglypuff? SERIOUSLY? Forget their current significance to Nintendo, what about their unique playstyles? That plays a BIG part. They won't be cut.

The only characters people should expect to get cut are (from most likely to least likely) Lucario, Toon Link, Ike, Sonic, and Snake.

 

[Aurane]

In my best opinion: Who cares who gets in that once was alrdy? I'm rooting for Victini, and that's it. It's been like that for awhile, and will continue to be.

 

[Shorts]

I wouldn't even consider what Sakurai said about the Kirby series relevant anymore, now that he's sort of broken the ice and added a lot of characters to various franchises.

Back in Melee, I mean the only franchises with multiple characters were Pokemon, Mario, LoZ, Fire Emblem and StarFox. And only Mario, LoZ, and Pokemon had LARGE amounts of characters, like Kirby probably should have had.

So, even though I totally think Dedede AND MetaKnight could have been added there, I can only ASSUME that's why he didn't add them then. He didn't want to make his little ol' Kirby look like it was as IMPORTANT/PROMINENT/WHAT HAVE YOU as those three major gaming franchises.


At this point, I don't think series overrepresentation even crosses his mind.


I love how everyone ACTUALLY thinks I'm raging or mad. This is a freaking fan site, about a game that hasn't even started development yet. Why would anyone get MAD over something someone says about this bull****? The only thing I do most of the time in this thread anymore is troll Toad lovers.

 

[Tacket]

@Spydr
Jigglypuff also isn't getting cut because she was in SSB.

Ollie is also staying due to fanbase and Pikmin 3 in the works.

 

[Oasis_S]

In other news: Ridley will never be a playable character, get over it.

You don't want to do this. Suddenly your name is known, but for what?

 

[Tacket]

In other news: Victini will definitely not be playable in SSB4.

He has a high chance of being one of those ultra rare PokéBalls though.

 

[yani_]

@Diddy Kong

A new Pikmin is in the works for Wii-U. Even if their wasn't though, Olimar won't be cut.

 

[Opelucid]

In other news: Ridley will never be a playable character, get over it.

Since you seem to know everything why don't you tell us what characters are in Smash4?

In other news: Victini will definitely not be playable in SSB4.

He has a high chance of being one of those ultra rare PokéBalls though.

When asage sees this

 

[Spydr Enzo]

I wouldn't even consider what Sakurai said about the Kirby series relevant anymore, now that he's sort of broken the ice and added a lot of characters to various franchises.

Back in Melee, I mean the only franchises with multiple characters were Pokemon, Mario, LoZ, Fire Emblem and StarFox. And only Mario, LoZ, and Pokemon had LARGE amounts of characters, like Kirby probably should have had.

So, even though I totally think Dedede AND MetaKnight could have been added there, I can only ASSUME that's why he didn't add them then. He didn't want to make his little ol' Kirby look like it was as IMPORTANT/PROMINENT/WHAT HAVE YOU as those three major gaming franchises.


At this point, I don't think series overrepresentation even crosses his mind.

Of course it'll cross his mind at some point. It really depends on the actual popularity and significance of each series. For example, Mario having many characters is more acceptable because more people worldwide know and love those characters. But a series like F-Zero can easily get "over-represented" because it is lesser known and therefore, additions are lesser appreciated. While taking that into account, you can't forget about Sakurai's own personal limits when it comes to "over-representing" a series.

Do you think he will hold back on including any Kid Icarus characters for this reason? Honestly, the series has only three games, and the were never the most popular games either. The only reason people expect another Kid Icarus character is because Sakurai revived the series. But like the Kirby series, wouldn't he be afraid over "over-representing" his own series, especially when "his" series isn't even that prominent anyway?