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No one is really against Cadea. Kuma was saying use her instead of Waddle Dee. Myself and others said use Waddle Dee.

BTW, where did you get that from. I saw something similar before during the Brawl days and something similar for Shulk.

Kuma? Well it's all making sense now...

If you mean the pic, I got it here.


Anyway I'm fine with Bandana Dee, he's cute when he's not being eaten by Kirby. :3

 

[Berserker.]

14 members :O

@Tryhy: I agree with you about him being cute.

 

[Big-Cat]

Less spoilers and showing Waddle Dee.



I mean go play the game or look at the videos.

I've looked at the videos, and I'm just kind of meh with it. To me, it's just Waddle Dee NOW WITH A SPEAR! Now, if they expand on this more in future series, I might be more open to the idea, but now, I'm neutral on Waddle Dee.

 

[Berserker.]

It depends on how Sakurai expounds on the spear ability of Bandana Dee but as of now, I still think he looks like a fun addition. Maybe his spear attacks can do multiple hits and inflict a ton of shield damage due to multiple hits? He could have a poke-playstyle (Or range rushdown playstyle).

 

[Shorts]

Bandana Dee is the only Kirby character I would actually ENJOY seeing added, since Kirby. Well, not true. I liked Dedede in the Kirby games, but not so much in Brawl. So I suppose that for the most part, I MAY like Bandana Dee, if he is done in a way I find enjoyable. For the most part though, Sakurai has made every character IMO enjoyable to play as. Even Roy, Pichu, Young Link, and Doc are fun to play as. I suppose the ony characters I don't enjoy playing as, are the PSI boys, Ivysaur, Dedede, and Diddy. I don't know why I don't like to play as them... I just don't. I think it's Brawl's physics really. I liked playing as EVERYONE in Melee and 64.

So, I guess it's just how Brawl is, that I don't like.... not really the characters.

Rant.

 

[Berserker.]

Shortie coming here just made me think of something....

Assume Zelda is like her P:M self

I think her down B should be that triforce trap from Twilight princess (Boss Battle : Puppet Zelda). It releases a beam of light IF you click down B again OR if an enemy steps on it. It deals 13% damage. It can be done in the air except the triforce is vertical. You can only put one at a time.

Thoughts?

 

[Zap tackle]

Bandana Dee seems like a pretty interesting character, and if they can include him in more of the future Kirby games, I'd assume that he would be an ideal choice for Smash. Regardless, if we are to get a new Kirby rep in SSB4, this Waddle Dee would be my choice. Barely any spear users in Smash already anyways...

Also, lot of people who have played the game really like him. That's what i got from this thread and the Youtube videos.

Hm, seems like the little guy's popularity is already getting higher. It's a good thing they made him pretty unique in KRtDL.

 

[SmashChu]

Kuma? Well it's all making sense now...

If you mean the pic, I got it here.


Anyway I'm fine with Bandana Dee, he's cute when he's not being eaten by Kirby. :3

It's more that Kuma made the point. I'd argue it either way,

I've looked at the videos, and I'm just kind of meh with it. To me, it's just Waddle Dee NOW WITH A SPEAR! Now, if they expand on this more in future series, I might be more open to the idea, but now, I'm neutral on Waddle Dee.

The reason we're suggesting it is because he's fun to play with (which is kind of the point of everything in Smash).

Also, lot of people who have played the game really like him. That's what i got from this thread and the Youtube videos.

 

[Big-Cat]

Shortie coming here just made me think of something....

Assume Zelda is like her P:M self

I think her down B should be that triforce trap from Twilight princess (Boss Battle : Puppet Zelda). It releases a beam of light IF you click down B again OR if an enemy steps on it. It deals 13% damage. It can be done in the air except the triforce is vertical. You can only put one at a time.

Thoughts?

Sounds like Trish's Hopscotch.

What about Sheik though? How do you switch?

 

[Shorts]

@Berserker

I LIKE. What could Sheik's downB be? I doesn't have to be Canon, I mean... are her whip and senbons even canon? She is supposed to be very ninja.... what about some sort of chargable sleep powder spray? It beats the heck out of sing. Maybe something involving her harp?

 

[Berserker.]

Just make one of her taunts transform OR make it... Down + Down + B? Wait.... That's final smash... Ahhh whatever. Down down B.

Anyone ever pictured Sheik to be like.. strider a bit?

Down B should be a flash bomb. The flash causes a stagger to the enemy OH and this is kind of like a teleport.

 

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Sheik?

@SmashChu: Does Impa in SS do anything that could be turned into a new move for her?

 

[Berserker.]

Forward B should be.... HMM.... That's it. I'm watching Strider videos

 

[SmashChu]

Sheik?

@SmashChu: Does Impa in SS do anything that could be turned into a new move for her?

Absolutely not. It's unfortunate. She is one of the few recurring Zelda characters and one of the few characters who doesn't look stupid in SS.

 

[Shorts]

What about a smoke bomb instead? It could be used to hide what your next move is going to be from your opponents? I just picture this cloud of smoke in the middle of Yoshi's island, and everyone being like.... "what is she gonnna do....D:" Maybe it could even muffle sound?

 

[Berserker.]

You ever thought of Sheik using.... Some sword... NAH.

Anyway, a smoke bomb? Isn't that like that smoke ball item in brawl?

 

[Big-Cat]

Just make one of her taunts transform OR make it... Down + Down + B? Wait.... That's final smash... Ahhh whatever. Down down B.

Anyone ever pictured Sheik to be like.. strider a bit?

Not really. I was thinking more traditional and mystically. I'm fine with her needles and Teleport save for how the needles can be hard to see on darker stages. Maybe those could be made more visible or something, IDK exactly. I don't want them to be as big Ibuki's kunai in SF3. Now those were big.

For her Side and Down B (assuming transforms can be done via another input), here's what I got.

Side B: Double Palm
Inspired by Impa's attack in Skyward Sword, Sheik pushes her hands out in a kamehame-hadouken position. This attack has a number of uses. If she hits someone, you get high knockback. You can also nullify projectile attacks up to 20% damage. This attack also has hyper armor on startup, but it has a certain threshold that if broken, Sheik gets dizzy.

Down B: Deku Nut
Tosses a Deku Nut to the ground. Unlike the item, this causes a blinded animation for the opponent making this an ideal attack for landing an attack safely.

I have a strong feeling that the next arc in the Kuma-Chu war will be on Skyward Sword.

 

[Berserker.]

Can you explain the speed, lag and recovery of this double palm attack?

I don't have SS also. Lol

 

[Big-Cat]

This move might be a good idea as to what expect. The key thing is that it's out for a bit.

I don't have SS either, but I like what I'm seeing.

 

[Berserker.]

HMMM. Looks good.

Sheik's wall cling should have some tweaks. FIRST, the horizontal jump-from-wall height is longer and much more mobile. Then, she can crawl on the wall.... That's all what I can think of. Her dive kick (D-air) should cause ground bounce against grounded opponents only.

As for Zelda, should she have the ability to fly?

New plan for Din's fire. Inputting forward b again WHILE the current fireball that is still moving causes the fireball to disperse into small fireballs that detonate. Clicking forward B FOR THE LAST TIME causes the small fireballs to release flaming beams towards the opponent. Something like Strange's Disks of Denek or Wright's cellphone fireball

 

[Big-Cat]

If you give her the Din's Fire in Project M, I think she'd be too good. Her zoning options would be just too good.

 

[Berserker.]

To make up for how much she sucked in brawl.

Maybe at least shrink the hitbox of Din's fire more to a lesser extent

Zelda's pros and cons:

+ Great zoning
- Slow normals

Balanced?

 

[Shorts]

Wait, why replace the whip?

Deku Nut, or a smoke bomb would be fine. They don't perform the same function, but they both do something similar. Catching the opponent off guard.

Also, unlike the smke ball, you can't toss it side to side, Sheik throws it att the ground, and BAM a cloud of smoke that you can't see into, about the size of two boswers, is on the feild. It lasts for about ten seconds, until it fades away.

I was never a big fan on the whip. And I never see it being used much practically in Melee matches.

So, it isn't THAT useful? When is it? I suppose if it's similar to Jiggs and it's sing... then toss it.

How can we fix sing? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.

 

[Big-Cat]

I was never a big fan on the whip. And I never see it being used much practically in Melee matches.

 

[Berserker.]

In brawl, the whip is useful in recoveries but it would have been better if her up b teleport had a lesser recovery time or start up

 

[Berserker.]

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[Johnknight1]

Bandana Dee is the only Kirby character I would actually ENJOY seeing added, since Kirby. Well, not true. I liked Dedede in the Kirby games, but not so much in Brawl. So I suppose that for the most part, I MAY like Bandana Dee, if he is done in a way I find enjoyable. For the most part though, Sakurai has made every character IMO enjoyable to play as. Even Roy, Pichu, Young Link, and Doc are fun to play as. I suppose the ony characters I don't enjoy playing as, are the PSI boys, Ivysaur, Dedede, and Diddy. I don't know why I don't like to play as them... I just don't. I think it's Brawl's physics really. I liked playing as EVERYONE in Melee and 64.

So, I guess it's just how Brawl is, that I don't like.... not really the characters.

Rant.

Brawl does that (make characters seem boring) to everybody. Still, I fear another broken/underpowered Kirby's Dreamland franchise representatives.

Separating Sheik and Zelda I think sounds like a bad idea. I think what should be done is make the transformation a taunt (Give us four taunts for each character!). That way, EVERYONE WINS! Also, do the same thing with the Pokémon Trainer and Samus/Zamus Sakurai!

The down B for Zelda should be some sort of new magic attack, possibly some explosion right in front of her covering about 15 feet (Nu-23 in Blaz Blue has a similar attack).
Sheik should definitely have that Deku Nut attack. I don't get why some of you people are saying otherwise... unless you made up some magic attack for her...

Also berserker, congratulations on your 5,000th post... and double post!

Edit: I'm only 339 posts behind you bro!

 

[Starphoenix]

Smashchu, if you are still around I have a quick question about Skyward Sword. Are there any places apart from Skyloft that are important to the story, or have some sort of history with other titles?

 

[Berserker.]

Brawl does that (make characters seem boring) to everybody. Still, I fear another broken/underpowered Kirby's Dreamland franchise representatives.

Separating Sheik and Zelda I think sounds like a bad idea. I think what should be done is make the transformation a taunt (Give us four taunts for each character!). That way, EVERYONE WINS! Also, do the same thing with the Pokémon Trainer and Samus/Zamus Sakurai!

The down B for Zelda should be some sort of new magic attack, possibly some explosion right in front of her covering about 15 feet (Nu-23 in Blaz Blue has a similar attack).
Sheik should definitely have that Deku Nut attack. I don't get why some of you people are saying otherwise... unless you made up some magic attack for her...

Also berserker, congratulations on your 5,000th post... and double post!

Edit: I'm only 339 posts behind you bro!

Thanks

OH and this is the down b I suggested:

Shortie coming here just made me think of something....

Assume Zelda is like her P:M self

I think her down B should be that triforce trap from Twilight princess (Boss Battle : Puppet Zelda). It releases a beam of light IF you click down B again OR if an enemy steps on it. It deals 13% damage. It can be done in the air except the triforce is vertical. You can only put one at a time.

Thoughts?

@Shortie: Maybe it should be her taunt. It does some "special" things just like Luigi and Snake's taunts. Maybe increase Sheik's speed or damage.

 

[Shorts]

Sheik shoudn't have any sort of OBVIOUSLY magic attacks. Keep her MA/Ninja thing pure. Deku Nut/Smoke Bomb/Push/Whip all of these ideas are good IMO. I just wish we could test them ALL out, and see which ones work best for her.

I like Berserker's Zelda idea. I think her PM self, with that move is ideal.

Berserker, I like the idea of sing being a special taunt, and then maybe it being replaced with uproar? Jiggs would shout out a loud "PUUUFFF!" and a shockwave of musical notes would echo out from her. It could push opponents away, as well as do damage. I DO THINK sing should be kept at ALL COSTS. Even if it becomes a taunt attack.

 

[Berserker.]

Strider anyone?

Shorts, did you see this?

HMMM. Looks good.

Sheik's wall cling should have some tweaks. FIRST, the horizontal jump-from-wall height is longer and much more mobile. Then, she can crawl on the wall.... That's all what I can think of. Her dive kick (D-air) should cause ground bounce against grounded opponents only.

As for Zelda, should she have the ability to fly?

New plan for Din's fire. Inputting forward b again WHILE the current fireball that is still moving causes the fireball to disperse into small fireballs that detonate. Clicking forward B FOR THE LAST TIME causes the small fireballs to release flaming beams towards the opponent. Something like Strange's Disks of Denek or Wright's cellphone fireball

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah Berserker, that idea for Zelda's down B sounds good great. I was trying to think of what attacks Puppet Zelda did, but I was drawing a blank.

And I think we can all agree that Sheik's down B should be some variation of the Deku Nut, and that her side B (the whip) needs to have a purpose other than as a tether recovery.

 

[Shorts]

@ Berserker I like all the ideas. Do you ever feel like we're making Zelda and Sheik TOO COOL? Like, so cool that it maked everone else look lame?

I want to tweak every character P: Bowser, Zelda, and Jiggs mostly.

 

[Berserker.]

Bowser and Jiggs have a P:M version already.

Neutral B in mid air should aim downwards.

All his attacks have super armor

His shell armor duck has super armor until Bowser is 95%

He's faster and more mobile

 

[Arcadenik]

Sheik?

@SmashChu: Does Impa in SS do anything that could be turned into a new move for her?

Absolutely not. It's unfortunate. She is one of the few recurring Zelda characters and one of the few characters who doesn't look stupid in SS.

Irrelevant and not necessarily unfortunate. What did Sheik do in Ocarina of Time? Nothing, and yet he/she got in Melee/Brawl. Anyway, I'd rather see Zelda lose the Sheik transformation and get a new Down B move while Impa gets in SSB4 and inherits Sheik's old moveset plus a new Down B move and Final Smash.

Also, I would like the Zelda roster revamped in SSB4... with only Link and Zelda returning with Skyward Sword makeovers... plus Demise appearing as "the decloned Ganondorf with a sword" and Impa... and then add Tingle to rep his own spin-off franchise (like Yoshi) with his own icon (a Rupee).

 

[SmashChu]

Smashchu, if you are still around I have a quick question about Skyward Sword. Are there any places apart from Skyloft that are important to the story, or have some sort of history with other titles?

The temple of time in the desert and that's about it. The regions all kind of line up with the regions from Twilight Princess.

Glad to know I'm the expert on this game.

 

[Big-Cat]

If that's the case, then make everyone else cool. If they can be made boring like in Brawl, they can be made cool.

 

[yani_]

Shiek with a deku nut sounds cool, like Mewtwo's disable with greater range.

@Jiggzsing I think her notes should just go left to right instead of a circle, giving it some more range. Who falls asleep in the air anyway? /facepalm

 

[Arcadenik]

@ Smashchu... I am curious about Skyward Sword... how did you get the game? It won't come out here till Sunday. Hell, it isn't even out in Japan yet!

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah Zelda and Sheik aren't that cool, especially Sheik. Sheik's sex was impossible to fully figure out until Brawl gave her boobs!

@ Shortie
Bowser (change... everything?), Brawl Ganondorf (play as epic as Melee Ganondorf or get a sword or two and a new moveset), Brawl Samus (hint: become more like Melee Samus with more high priority moves), Brawl Jigglypuff (play like Melee Jigglypuff), Pichu, Roy, Mewtwo, Captain Falcon, Ness, and Lucas could all use major changes, assuming they all return, of course.

Luigi, Link, Toon Link, Kirby, Meta Knight, Falco, Wolf, the Pokémon Trainer, Pit, Olimar, Snake, and Sonic could also use minor changes, again if they return.

On a random side note, seeing as how SmashChu is the "expert" on Skyward Sword, can I be the "expert" on Zelda II since I'm probably the only person here who has played it (and beaten it)=???