Daisy hasn't done anything at all in the Mario franchise aside appearing in party games.
Doesn't matter. Still a Canon character.
No you're missing my point. I get you say personality is not related to canon. What I'm saying is people's view on a character is often based on when and how they appear. If they appear in a good game, often people want to play them. People wouldn't care about Mario if all his games were garbage.
None of his non-canon games are garbage though except a select few, and that's YMMV at best. Thus, I don't see what that has to do with it whatsoever.
Who honestly cares about characters in party games? You choose the one with the funniest voice, play a mini-game, and you usually forget you owned that game or have played that game after 3 months.
The people who play them, of course. You act like they would forget about them when they liked playing as them. Just because they're not canon means absolutely nothing.
People remember characters from Mario games like Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG, Super Mario 64, and Super Mario Galaxy because those games were good. If they were There's no point in remembering anybody or caring about anybody from a mediocre party game like Mario Party.
Many people haven't played Mario RPG or even the first game. In fact, many have only played Galaxy and just Mario Party 8. So why would they remember characters that were only in RPG if they never played it? Oh, wait, they wouldn't. Also, Mario Party games are pretty easy to find, and the characters aren't hard to be known of. Waluigi's pretty well known for good reasons.
Why would anyone go out of there way to buy a game with forgettable characters from forgettable games=??? Nobody wants to be forgettable. That's why football quarterbacks want to be like Joe Montana instead of Rex Grossman, U.S. Presidents want to be like George Washington instead of Jimmy Carter, and cereal box characters want to be Tony the Tiger, not Count Chocula. (that cereal is nasty!)
The Mario Party's weren't forgettable, nor were the Kart's, etc. You're only speaking strictly for yourself. I actually remember characters from games I play. A lot of people only play the side games since they're all multiplayer. Not everybody cares about a single player experience, only doing it for unlocking if needed. Mario Party, Kart, Tennis, Golf, they were pretty much MADE for multiplayer.
Remember Sakurai's first rule on character inclusion:
Presuming this actually matters since Waluigi is pretty damn well known. Which we both know is true.
How many people would want to play the game just for Waluigi=??? Everything he could "add" is already there with Luigi and Wario. Even the retro characters, like Ice Climbers, Marth, Pit, and ROB make people want to play as the game. Who doesn't want to control two characters, use a master swordsman, an angel, or a friggen robot=???
How many people knew who everyone but Wario and Luigi were among your list? Not many. R.O.B. was only known due to a side game, funnily enough. Few people remember the other three, and a lot of people didn't know who Marth is. Thus, yeah, Waluigi is more well known and would be an easy choice because people do INDEED want to play as him, proving your point wrong.
Who actually bought that game, or would bother playing that game=???
A lot of people. A lot of people bought Mario Party as well. Why? Because it was a great fun game. Whether you find it fun or not doesn't mean it didn't get bought. As I said before, you're trying to speak for an actual minority, not the majority here. The majority have played the spin-offs as is.
If your best bet to make it in to smash bros. over the likes of Toad (who is in nearly every Mario game), Bowser Jr. (who has a major role in recent Mario games), Paper Mario (who has his own series), Dixie Kong (who had her own game, and was in huge DKC games), K. Rool (who is the main villain of the Donkey Kong franchise), Ridley (who is a major villain in nearly every Metroid game), various Pokémon (aka the biggest handheld series ever with several ridiculously popular monsters), Mewtwo (who has a massive fan base wanting him back in smash), Samurai Goroh (who appears as a playable racer in nearly every F-Zero game, and is Captain Falcon's rival), Roy (who has his loyal Melee players who want him back), a new Fire Emblem character (who obviously will star in a new Fire Emblem game to possibly get in like Roy and Ike), Paletuna (who has a major role in the Kid Icarus franchise), Mega Man (who is one of the biggest icons of gaming), Pac-Man (who stars in the most recognizable game of all-time that 94% of people recognize according to the Davie-Brown Index), and various more interesting retro characters (Mach Rider, the Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion, Sukapon, etc) is appearing as the main villain in a Dance Dance Revolution spin-off... then your shot is nil.
Toad was only playable in a select few games(that is, the REAL Toad, not a random one to our knowledge, meaning... Super Mario Bros. 2). He's also part of a moveset. Waluigi is playable in more, meaning, YEAH, people do want to play as him. Also, what makes you think people know more about retro characters when they're just starting in gaming? Mario Party, Kart, they're pretty easy to find compared to those other games. Waluigi's just that well known. And even then... I don't see Toad any more interesting than the guy who is Peach's lame guards. He barely does more than any other character. The very specific Toads, like Toadsworth, who DOES something, sure. Only in one game does Toad do anything really interesting, which is, as said earlier, Super Mario Bros. 2. Besides that? He gives you a random power-up, but his only interesting notes were in the TV Show/Movie. That's not much either. He does about the same in the Mario Party games. Waluigi, on the other hand? He's a specific villain in atleast two games, making his role kind of important. Soooo... yeah, Waluigi has actually done more in an interesting manner, something Toad really hasn't. The fact of the matter is, at this point, Toad would've been playable well before Wario even. Or possibly Bowser. Guess he wasn't, since he's already in a moveset. You've played as him in a way before. Time to check out other characters with better roles. Like Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario. You know, kind of a main villain? Someone who's actually truly important?
No, the way I remember Mario is "the dude with red overalls who can jump really high, collects coins, earns power ups, uses mushrooms, beats the baddie, saves the princess, and has awesome games." What else is there to remember=???
A voice actor, a movie, the guy who appears in over a hundred spinoffs and cameos who does more than just fight a bad guy. His personality might not be much, but he sure as hell does a lot. He's more than just a hero anyway. And so far, we only think the spin-offs aren't canon. That's really just how we see it. What would happen if they WERE by Word of God? See the problem here? There's no proof either way. This isn't like with the Zelda CDi games which were actually said to not be canon.
I don't know what you're referring to. Quite frankly I don't play Mario spin off games, the first three Mario Party games and the older Mario Kart games aside (plus Mario Kart DS).
Then perhaps you should play them before saying nobody cares about it. Because frankly, people DO. You're only speaking for yourself. All of them had their own charm. Whether or not you like them doesn't ultimate matter, as people DO like them.
And I also don't think anyone really cares about Mario spin-offs that much to deep read into them.
You'd be dead wrong. No matter what game exists, SOMEBODY will read deeply into it as much as possible. That's how it is.
Waluigi thinks he is Luigi?.. and Wario?
Tingle thinks he's a reincarnated fairy.
But yes, Tingle is more worthy. He stars his own games (that failed), he has a role in canon Zelda games, and he's also much more... developed? (still not worthy, though)
How did you know it failed? Also, that's his official backstory to what we know. He's been worthy a spot for a long time, as he's nearly among the main characters in how important he's become to the story. If not one of the main secondaries. Waluigi just has a hatred of Luigi. Sure, he could use more personality. Most Mario characters need more, anyway. But hey, personality isn't Nintendo's biggest strong point, clearly.
I am not wasting my time on Tingle's lame games, especially given all the awesome games I will undoubtedly never play. I still have to play and beat Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy III, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy IV: The After (And IV DS), Final Fantasy Tactics, Oracles of Ages and Seasons, Donkey Kong Country 3 (I got halfway through it before my parents sold my SNES),
Secrets of Mana, Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Fable, Civilization III and on, Shogun: Total War II, Batman Arkham Asylum, Batman Arkham City, and most importantly, Superman 64.
Have you played Tingle's game? If not, you saying it's lame is an utter lie due to you never playing it. Don't speak of stuff you've never played. Yeah, it MIGHT look lame, but you don't know that firsthand. We have a term for this: "Complaining about Games you've never played". It's a matter of FanDumb. So until you play those games, don't you be praising/complaining about them. It's pretty much Trolling. I have yet to play the Tingle game, and I actually want to. I don't know how I can, since I think my friend might've bought it, and maybe I can borrow it. But I sure as hell want to play every Zelda game atleast once.
He was imprisoned in the Wind Waker for stealing that camera though, so he is a thief. It's too bad you couldn't murder him...
I'd rather not. I don't even find him annoying. But eh.
And yes, YouTube is full of idiots.(myself included) But that's beside the point. Not much you can do but flag 'em.
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