New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Aurane]

Anime: Digimon already has a new season coming out. Also, the quality of Digimon was often greater due to better characterization, better writing, and actually having better animation and more mature tones. Pokemon still lacks this.
Games: That's because they don't do tons of remakes either. Each game is different and unique. Pokemon still lacks this. There's pretty much 4 types of games that actually have sequels. Stadium, Regular, Ranger, and Mystery Dungeon. Almost no Digimon games are exactly the same. BTW, it started as a Tamagatchi clone, not a Manga/Anime.
Popularity: You mean having ten times more digimon, and not just expies? Sure it has a few clones, but it still has more. Also, Agumon is available in all games almost completely from the start. Pikachu isn't directly available in Black & White till way beyond later. Likewise, Agumon isn't always the same used mascot. That's because they actually used different unique characters without relying on the same tired old mons.

Yeah, I have no answer to the seedless grape because it lost me.

TO the anime: You mean in 2012? There's no true evidence. Just looked it up. Maybe a Special aniversery, but not series.
http://kimitonara.pmsinfirm.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=221

To the games: You forgot Puzzle games, Pikachu Walker (Original walker), Pinball (Happened for years, now), and now Toys.

At Popularity: Clones are unacceptable in any moster-raising series. Also, Black and White was anniversery as the 5th generation, and was made like Red/Blue. Which is another reason why Victini is also known as the mascot of the 5th generation.

Generally speaking, in full honesty, and with great reasoning, Pokemon is, and will stay, stronger than Digimon. And not just in power of the Pokemon themselves.

Also, 6 plugs is a fire hazard. So why are their 6 outlets? Hmm...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Digimon isn't a video game originally. Therefore, it falls in the same category as Batman, Dwight Schrute, Naruto, Scarface, and President Obama... >.>

Also, they aren't about the games. The Pokémon games are light years better than the Digimon games (spin-offs aside). Pokémon games are more addicting, fun, and detail. I don't give a crap about other medias of either franchise, honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon_virtual_pet Digimon started off a Tamagatchi clone, as I said before.

TO the anime: You mean in 2012? There's no true evidence. Just looked it up. Maybe a Special aniversery, but not series.
http://kimitonara.pmsinfirm.org/foru...php?f=19&t=221

To the games: You forgot Puzzle games, Pikachu Walker (Original walker), Pinball (Happened for years, now), and now Toys.

At Popularity: Clones are unacceptable in any moster-raising series. Also, Black and White was anniversery as the 5th generation, and was made like Red/Blue. Which is another reason why Victini is also known as the mascot of the 5th generation.

Generally speaking, in full honesty, and with great reasoning, Pokemon is, and will stay, stronger than Digimon. And not just in power of the Pokemon themselves.

Also, 6 plugs is a fire hazard. So why are their 6 outlets? Hmm...

Anime: Um, yes, it already aired.

Games: How many were there? If only one, it's not counted as a sequel, which I was referring to. Same with Pikachu Walker. Pinball I missed. Toys are not video games, and didn't count for the purposes I said.

Popularity: Tell that to Pichu, Plusle, Minum, who were pretty much clones of Pikachu. Both had them already. Even if they're about as different as Fox and Falco as in Melee, both series has clones. And actually, Digimon's clone variations didn't make much of a difference. All of them were done for storyline purposes in the Anime in the first place. Not just made for More Characters. Any that didn't appear in the Anime, sure, but the ones in there? Had an effect somewhere. Whether a boss, a darkside like Blackmetalgreymon or Blackwargreymon.

You didn't really show great reasoning here. Just one looks more popular. They're both great series overall, and are a rivalry. Neither are overall better than eachother. Also, saying them is equal is a lot better than going back and forth and saying "on my god, one MUCH better", etc. Also, name a mon series without some kind of clone or expy. Whether they're popular or not doesn't change them from existing. Just saying.

I have no idea what the point of the fire plugs were. Also, if you're talking about Pokemon doing menial tasks, so do Digimon.

 

[Johnknight1]

I still can't believe this conversation has gone to Digimon in smash.

I might have to create a fake rumor that Sonic will never re-appear in smash bros to divert everyone's focus.

 

[Fobmescs]

I have an idea for Super Smash Bros. 4. A percentage battle option. Here is 0% of damage. When you pick up an item that replenishes 7% of damage, it will become -7% of damage. That's what I'm thinking after I was playing Super Smash Bros. Brawl. What do you guys think?

 

[Aurane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon_virtual_pet Digimon started off a Tamagatchi clone, as I said before.



Anime: Um, yes, it already aired. Can I get a link on Youtube or something?

Games: How many were there? If only one, it's not counted as a sequel, which I was referring to. Same with Pikachu Walker. Pinball I missed. Toys are not video games, and didn't count for the purposes I said. By Toys, I was refering to Pokemon Rumble.

Popularity: Tell that to Pichu, Plusle, Minum, who were pretty much clones of Pikachu. Both had them already. Even if they're about as different as Fox and Falco as in Melee, both series has clones. And actually, Digimon's clone variations didn't make much of a difference. All of them were done for storyline purposes in the Anime in the first place. Not just made for More Characters. Any that didn't appear in the Anime, sure, but the ones in there? Had an effect somewhere. Whether a boss, a darkside like Blackmetalgreymon or Blackwargreymon. They aren't clones, first off. They are the "Electric Pouch" Pokemon. same with Pachirisu and Emolga. Pichu is the baby form of Pikachu, so that cannot even be considered. Minun and Plusle are very different in size, weight, coloring, and abilities. The only similarites they have is the cheeks.

Answers in bold.

 

[Conviction]

Are you guys serious?

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The better mon?

The Jamaica Mon.

 

[Starphoenix]

Just going to tell you guys now, I have some spoilers for Mario Kart 7 that have to deal with the final two characters. So spoilers ahead.

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It has just been confirmed by Nintendo Power that the final two newcomers for Mario Kart 7 are Wiggler and Honey Queen, the large bee queen from Super Mario Galaxy. Here is the picture.

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[Aurane]

@xIbilsx Fail. But neways, Pokemon wins AGAIN. Moving on.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I like the

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wiggler

, but

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Honeyqueen

, seriously!?!

 

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Just going to tell you guys now, I have some spoilers for Mario Kart 7 that have to deal with the final two characters. So spoilers ahead.

Spoiler

It has just been confirmed by Nintendo Power that the final two newcomers for Mario Kart 7 are Wiggler and Honey Queen, the large bee queen from Super Mario Galaxy. Here is the picture.

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Finally something to get us back on topic.

Bummer about those characters though. They could have done so much better.

 

[Starphoenix]

Poor Chronobound. He just lost. lol

 

[Conviction]

This Pokemon vs. Digimon is a bigger derp than me and Beserk's Shadow vs. Silver.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'll reply when you multiquote me. I cannot quote this message without highlighting every small bit.

Anime: Never mind.

Games: Toys are not video games. I meant video games. My bad. Also, Digimon has a lot of toys too anyway. Pokemon only have more video games, but not more stuff in general.

Popularity: Expies are essentially the same guy with a new coat of paint and a different name. They're also pretty much what a clone is. Also, Pichu is a clone of Pikachu in Smash, just saying. Likewise, many pokemon have the exact same stats as another. It's no coincidence that they're basically similar. You're misunderstanding what a clone is. Ken's pretty much a clone of Ryu. Hence the term Shotoclone. They have mostly the same stuff. They're only slightly different. Pikachu, Pichu, and Raichu aren't much different from eachother overall. Hey, electric mice! Also, really, Minum and Plusle are that HEAVILY different from Pikachu? Despite learning a good chunk of similar moves, which is kind of the same thing clones are in Smash, where this would apply too?

Look, I consider an Expy a clone, because they're too similar overall. You don't. So let's drop that part. So far, they have too many similar Pokemon. Digimon has only two types. They're either recolors, or they're not. Pokemon blends that bit.(also, it has recolors too, just saying) Anyway, Digimon Xros Wars hasn't aired yet, but will. The best we have is that Pokemon has a bit more than Digimon does, and quality is subjective regardless. So the only objective fact is that Pokemon outshines Digimon in quantity of games/toys/etc. But not of Digimon themselves.(unless you add in every NPC, then MAYBE it might get close)

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Moving on, Digimon is applicable for Smash, and Agumon or Metalgreymon would make great characters. Phoenixmon as a Boss would be fun too.

 

[Johnknight1]

I like the

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wiggler

, but

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Honeyqueen

, seriously!?!

For real.

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The Honey Queen

sounds a lot like Rosalina in Mario Kart Wii, minus having a role in the series, and minus being on a game with more characters.

So I guess that would make

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the Honey Queen

the Funky Kong of Mario Kart 7. Irrelevant and pretty much unneeded. How does Funky Kong make it over Dixie Kong and K. Rool in Mario Kart Wii=??? (especially given how broken he is)

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That fat cute purple star thing from Super Mario Galaxy 2

should have been playable. That would be hilarious, funny, and cute.

I also like how we are using spoiler tags for FRIGGEN MARIO KART!

Anyways, I don't think this effects character chances in Smash Bros. That or any Mario spin-off characters or games, really.

 

[Deleted member]

*head-desk with Honey Queen*

I never thought in a million years they would stoop to that level of fail when deciding characters. This is yet another reason why I am glad Sakurai is in charge and not Nintendo. Otherwise, we would be receiving rosters that could truly count as troll-worthy and neglecting important aspects of Nintendo's history.

Oh well, this means Mario Kart 7 has minimal influence in the newcomers pool for Smash 4.

 

[Berserker.]

I think Bowser's smash attacks should be just as strong, while a lot of his non-kill tilts and aerials are about as fast as moves Meta Knight uses.

Really, Bowser having a crappy recovery, crappy speed, and being such a huge target already balances out that he can kill at low percentage and that he is a heavyweight.

I hope Bowser could be at least like Sentinel from MvC 3 except not as broken.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well I was trying to be sensitive to those who take spoilers seriously. Not as though it matters since this news is coming from Nintendo Power.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Finally something to get us back on topic.

Bummer about those characters though. They could have done so much better.

Nintendo could've done worse as well.

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I'd take the Queen Bee over Lubba any day anyway.

Also, what does this news have to do with Smash 4?

 

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I'm just surprised either one of them is not

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Waluigi.

 

[Berserker.]

I'm surprised jr. Isn't even in the game.

Wtf nintendo

*Facepalm*

I'm fine with everyone there EXCEPT FOR THE HONEY QUEEN

 

[Starphoenix]

Nintendo could've done worse as well.

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I'd take the Queen Bee over Lubba any day anyway.

Also, what does this news have to do with Smash 4?

Chronobound had mentioned before about Mario Kart 7's roster possibly affecting the chances of other Mario or Donkey Kong characters if certain characters appear. So I was posting the information for those who were following that line of thinking.

Basically nothing can be deduced. Unless you want to point out the fact that Toad got in over Bowser Jr and Waluigi?

 

[Aurane]

I'll reply when you multiquote me. I cannot quote this message without highlighting every small bit.

Anime: Never mind.

Games: Toys are not video games. I meant video games. My bad. Also, Digimon has a lot of toys too anyway. Pokemon only have more video games, but not more stuff in general. Once again, I was referring to POKEMON RUMBLE, WHICH U USE TOYS TO BATTLE.

Popularity: Expies are essentially the same guy with a new coat of paint and a different name. They're also pretty much what a clone is. Also, Pichu is a clone of Pikachu in Smash, just saying. Likewise, many pokemon have the exact same stats as another. It's no coincidence that they're basically similar. You're misunderstanding what a clone is. Ken's pretty much a clone of Ryu. Hence the term Shotoclone. They have mostly the same stuff. They're only slightly different. Pikachu, Pichu, and Raichu aren't much different from eachother overall. Hey, electric mice! Also, really, Minum and Plusle are that HEAVILY different from Pikachu? Despite learning a good chunk of similar moves, which is kind of the same thing clones are in Smash, where this would apply too? Pichu, Pikachu, and Raichu are the same pkmn generally. Can only get Raichu but evolving Pikachu with Thunderstone. Therefore, can be a little clony, which wouldn't be right either. Plusle and Minun can learn more moves then Pikachu, including Helping Hand (Naturally, anyways).

Look, I consider an Expy a clone, because they're too similar overall. You don't. So let's drop that part. So far, they have too many similar Pokemon. Digimon has only two types. They're either recolors, or they're not. Pokemon blends that bit.(also, it has recolors too, just saying) Anyway, Digimon Xros Wars hasn't aired yet, but will. The best we have is that Pokemon has a bit more than Digimon does, and quality is subjective regardless. So the only objective fact is that Pokemon outshines Digimon in quantity of games/toys/etc. But not of Digimon themselves.(unless you add in every NPC, then MAYBE it might get close) Recolors? Joke. # of Digimon? Means nothing because they aren't active nemore.

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Moving on, Digimon is applicable for Smash, and Agumon or Metalgreymon would make great characters. Phoenixmon as a Boss would be fun too.

Answers in bold. Read carefully about the toys. Cause I was only speaking of the games, not etcs.

 

[Oasis_S]

ChronoBound will be pleased to know Honey Queen is all but confirmed for Sm4sh.

Where's the Wiggler fanboy? I want to see his reaction, lol.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Chronobound had mentioned before about Mario Kart 7's roster possibly affecting the chances of other Mario or Donkey Kong characters if they were present. So I was posting the information for those who were following that line of thinking.

Basically nothing can be deduced. Unless you want to point out the fact that Toad got in over Bowser Jr and Waluigi?

Mario Kart is a spin-off series though, so it really doesn't count. Toad and Bowser Jr. have had mainstream roles, which makes them acceptable Smash 4 candidates. Waluigi, on the other hand, is not so lucky.

 

[Berserker.]

@Brosis: Wiggler for Sm4sh lol

 

[Conviction]

ChronoBound will be pleased to know Honey Queen is all but confirmed for Sm4sh.

Where's the Wiggler fanboy? I want to see his reaction, lol.

Why cant I stop laughing at this?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

ChronoBound will be pleased to know Honey Queen is all but confirmed for Sm4sh.

Where's the Wiggler fanboy? I want to see his reaction, lol.

I was rooting for her.

Now, we at least have 1 character confirmed.

49 to go

 

[Starphoenix]

Mario Kart is a spin-off series though, so it really doesn't count. Toad and Bowser Jr. have had mainstream roles, which makes them acceptable Smash 4 candidates. Waluigi, on the other hand, is not so lucky.

Chronobound's response was geared more towards Donley Kong characters. At the time we were in discussion of King K. Rool and Dixie Kongs. Still, if nothing was affected before it certainly is not now. Unless someone honestly desires to begin a Honey Queen for Super Smash Bros. 4 fancult?

 

[augustoflores]

what's Honey Queen?...

 

[Berserker.]

Mario Galaxy NPC

That gross fat bee from Honeyhive galaxy

 

[Johnknight1]

I hope Bowser could be at least like Sentinel from MvC 3 except not as broken.

LOL at his chain grab being found within the first few hours of the game's release!

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I hope Waluigi's lack of an appearance means that Waluigi is dying a slow and painful death and is fading into mediocrity.

I was rooting for her.

Now, we at least have 1 character confirmed.

49 to go

I FREAKIN LULD! Also guys, type in certain new Mario character confirmations in spoiler... >.>

 

[Oasis_S]

Unless someone honestly desires to begin a Honey Queen for Super Smash Bros. 4 fancult?

It'll probably happen, but it won't be very honest.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Pokemon only have more video games, but not more stuff in general.

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttttt


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, okay. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

Where's your proof?

Edit: Sentinel from MvC3 is not broken. Most of the cast (i.e. pretty much anybody that isn't Haggar) can trounce him very, very easily.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Games: I said overall, Pokemon has a bit more than Digimon. I already conceded that.

Popularity: Okay, then we both admit both series has clones. That was all I was saying, not one was more cloney than another.

Expies: Every Digimon is active, btw. There's a full list of them, and recolors or not, they all count the same way as all Pokemon count. Digimon has more unique mons than Pokemon has. It still doesn't rely on Expies as is. SkullSatamon is NOTHING like Devimon, for example, despite being one of his three major digivolutions.(only IceDevimon is a recolor, the others are related to him) As I said before, they both are cloney regardless. So there's no more point to make on that.

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Moving on, though. I dislike both new choices. Waluigi should be there as well. Wriggler appeared in a good chunk of games, but isn't an extremely memorable enemy, compared to Goomba anyway.(has he been playable yet?) Queen Bee I never met/faced yet. Might be interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

Unless someone honestly desires to begin a Honey Queen for Super Smash Bros. 4 fancult?

Anyone who dares make that should be burned.

 

[yani_]

Waluigi has a bee- phobia

 

[Johnknight1]

Games: I said overall, Pokemon has a bit more than Digimon. I already conceded that.

Popularity: Okay, then we both admit both series has clones. That was all I was saying, not one was more cloney than another.

Pokémon has sold about 215 milllion units, at about $40 a piece. That's over 8 billion dollars in revenue from games alone! That's a crap ton bigger than Digimon is! That's excluding all the toys, board games, movies, the show (and the show's spin-offs), the merchandise, the comics, the mangas, etc.

Pokémon is way bigger. When was the last time Digimon had a huge poster to hype some new toy/board game/video game/movie/show/manga/comic at practically every Wal-Mart, Target, etc in the world=???

 

[Aurane]

^ *Hi-Fives*

 

[Johnknight1]

Anyone who dares make that should be burned.

Somebody will. Trust me. TRUST ME!!!!

There was a Dragon Ball thread right before Brawl came out, so why not=???

As the Dragon Ball people should have said...

^^^ That should be their currency! I bet it gets like 7,000 Goku zenny to the dollar!

On a side note, there was a (joke) Link's Uncle (from A Link to the Past) thread, and Sakurai even mentioned him when viewing the results of his (secret) Brawl poll (because someone voted for him), lol!

 

[Berserker.]

Anyone who dares make that should be burned.

Honeyqueen for Sm4sh