New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sonic 06 was a awful loading screen/fall into platforms/unstead game play. I found nothing enjoyable in that game. The last time I said that was the game "Mario is Missing" and "Duke Nuke Em Forever."

I liked Mario is Missing too. I haven't played the last one yet. Once again, subjective, not objective. Either way, I liked the game. Loading Screens are the only other complaint I ever had, but didn't affect any gameplay at all, so annoying at best.

I'm not saying Silver is a bad character, but I want ALL remnants of Sonic 06' erased, and preferably most everything from Sonic post the Sega Saturn erased as well. Most people who have talked about that game have said the same thing. You are maybe the 4th person I've heard say they like anything about that game, and the other 3 only liked the story.

Yeah, just no. That's ridiculous. The only thing that's true is that Sega deemed it non-canon. Silver just isn't a Canon character, although he's free to have cameos wherever he wishes. Doesn't bother me. Honestly, Elise is the only character I didn't like.

Waluigi appeared in a mini-game in Smooth Moves? So. Balloon Fighter, Game and Watch, and all kinds of random characters appeared in that, too.

Besides, that's still not a canon Mario game. It's one stupid mini-game in a party game mini-game series. That isn't a big deal. Heck, Link's Uncle has a bigger role in the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. And unlike Smooth Moves, that game has more than 4 hours of worthly game play.

Because it's totally not a Canon Wario game. It's not a spinoff of Wario, it's his own legitimate series, just like Wario Land. I may not like the series, but that doesn't matter. Mario Party isn't canon because it has nothing to do with the Mario storyline.(it's not big, but it does exist) WarioWare still has a storyline that coincides with the Wario games. Also, you can't say it's not canon without saying most things in Brawl aren't canon. Otherwise, why would Wario wear his own WarioWare outfit? Because it's part of his canon character. Doesn't like the game =/= Canon. Please back this up with something before you make a statement like that.

 

[Conviction]

Emerald Coast was great. I would love to play Emerald Hill Zone or Angel Island Zone in smash bros. Those could be some incredible stages. Hopefully they don't blow and promote edge camping like Green Hill Zone in Brawl. That stage... had so much potential!!!


LOL at coins in Sonic.

You sure you don't mean some... rings=???


And can't we all agree everyone and every character but Ridley, Mega Man, Geno, and most importantly myself are derp=???

FAIL.

I think they just make it non-walk off.

RINGS.

Shadow is a derp. You are becoming more derp because of him.

Okay man, lets stop this. I think we're going off topic/Spamming too much

LOL

@Falcon: WRONG! Sonic 0glitch is canon. It's in Sonic Gen. All stages from specific Sonic games are canon in Sonic Gen. it has crisis city. Silver is also in the game. So it's canon sadly.

 

[Johnknight1]

Because it's totally not a Canon Wario game. It's not a spinoff of Wario, it's his own legitimate series, just like Wario Land. I may not like the series, but that doesn't matter. Mario Party isn't canon because it has nothing to do with the Mario storyline.(it's not big, but it does exist) WarioWare still has a storyline that coincides with the Wario games. Also, you can't say it's not canon without saying most things in Brawl aren't canon. Otherwise, why would Wario wear his own WarioWare outfit? Because it's part of his canon character. Doesn't like the game =/= Canon. Please back this up with something before you make a statement like that.

It is a canon Wario game, but one mini-game means nothing. Practically every Nintendo character ever has been in Wario Ware.

Besides, Waluigi is a Mario (spin-off) character, according to Nintendo. He has the Mario Bros. franchise mushroom as his logo in Brawl. Besides, it's still just one mini-game. Alice from the Balloon Fight remake thing, Lip from Panel de Pon Pon, and again, Balloon Fighter and the Excite Biker have all appeared in Wario Ware mini-games. It's still no big wdeal.

Again, Waluigi has still not had a canon appearance in a Mario franchise game. One "mini game" appearance in a Wario Ware game (which is a solid selling franchise and fun games, but not Mario) does not mean much. If anything, Mario Party, Mario DDR, Kart, and sport game appearances mean more for Waluigi.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Falcon: WRONG! Sonic 0glitch is canon. It's in Sonic Gen. All stages from specific Sonic games are canon in Sonic Gen. it has crisis city. Silver is also in the game. So it's canon sadly.

Word of God did make it originally non-canon. They apparently decided to change this. Don't know why, but eh. First they state it's not canon, then make it canon... *shrugs*

It makes you wonder if Sonic Rivals is Canon or not.

It is a canon Wario game, but one mini-game means nothing. Practically every Nintendo character ever has been in Wario Ware.

Okay.

Besides, Waluigi is a Mario (spin-off) character, according to Nintendo. He has the Mario Bros. franchise mushroom as his logo in Brawl. Besides, it's still just one mini-game. Alice from the Balloon Fight remake thing, Lip from Panel de Pon Pon, and again, Balloon Fighter and the Excite Biker have all appeared in Wario Ware mini-games. It's still no big deal.

Not the point. He appeared in a canon game. I did not say he was a canon character, but he did appear in a canon game. I said nothing beyond that.

Again, Waluigi has still not had a canon appearance in a Mario franchise game. One "mini game" appearance in a Wario Ware game (which is a solid selling franchise and fun games, but not Mario) does not mean much. If anything, Mario Party, Mario DDR, Kart, and sport game appearances mean more for Waluigi.

Mario or Wario, it doesn't matter. He atleast appeared in a canon game. Makes his appearance in Brawl all the more interesting. Now I think he might be good for SSB4 material. Likewise, if we was made to be Wario's brother, it would make more sense to appear in a Wario game instead.

 

[Opossum]

Sooo...now that Return to Dreamland has been out for a few days, does anyone here have it? And if so, does it seem as if Waddle Dee could become playable in SSB4? Not saying I support him, but if new things from the game show otherwise, I may reconsider.

 

[Johnknight1]

No Sonic game is canon in the Sonic franchise. I thought you all knew that.

The Sonic canon-oligy is a liEEEEEE!!! It makes the cake look like the truth!

 

[Berserker.]

^^^ What Iblis said about the stages - True

LOL. Spam full of win

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Sooo...now that Return to Dreamland has been out for a few days, does anyone here have it? And if so, does it seem as if Waddle Dee could become playable in SSB4? Not saying I support him, but if new things from the game show otherwise, I may reconsider.

I WANT to get it, I just don't want to spend the money at the moment

 

[Conviction]

Also Sonic Unleashed is canon too.

Ugh Werehogs...

 

[Johnknight1]

Not the point. He appeared in a canon game. I did not say he was a canon character, but he did appear in a canon game. I said nothing beyond that.

Wario Ware is canon for what? Just Wario Ware. It's not an overwhelmingly large franchise.

If Waluigi appeared in canon Mario game, was playable, had original moves, and had a big role, that would boost his chances, definitely.

Mario or Wario, it doesn't matter. He atleast appeared in a canon game. Makes his appearance in Brawl all the more interesting. Now I think he might be good for SSB4 material. Likewise, if we was made to be Wario's brother, it would make more sense to appear in a Wario game instead.

Balloon Fighter appeared in Wario Ware. Does that make him canon Wario material and worthy for smash=??? If anything gets Balloon Fighter in, it will be his uniqueness, not some appearance in a fairly small series.

And yes there is a difference in appearing in a canon Mario game and Wario Ware game. The average canon Mario game sells about 10 million units. No Wario Ware or Wario Land character stands a chance aside from Wario to making it in smash bros. On top of that, Smooth Moves came out what? In 2006. Brawl came out just 3 years ago. Why wouldn't that cameo put Waluigi in Brawl=??? Waluigi wasn't even considered to be playable in Brawl. Waluigi's role hasn't changed in the Mario (spin-off) universe yet. He now apparently isn't going to be in Mario Kart 7, and might actually slowly fade away from Mario spin offs that don't need Tennis partners (which is why he was created in Mario Tenns)

If you appear in Mario, you appear in the biggest franchise in gaming history. If you appear in Wario Ware... you appear in like the 500th biggest franchise ever.

@ Opossum
Shortie has it, and said it was way better than Kirby's Epic Yarn.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Also Sonic Unleashed is canon too.

Ugh Werehogs...

I always considered it an alternate continuity to happen right after Sonic Adventure 2. I mean, why else would they scrap Shadow? But eh, now that Sonic Generations comes out, a Canon game, that theory was debunked. Too bad. I like Shadow and all, but I have no problem with branching storylines.

Has anybody actually seen the Shadow Hack in Brawl? It's pretty well made.

Wario Ware is canon for what? Just Wario Ware. It's not an overwhelmingly large franchise.

If Waluigi appeared in canon Mario game, was playable, had original moves, and had a big role, that would boost his chances, definitely.

Assuming it's not popular or big? What? It has a ton of games and is widely bought. Game series is popular. It's a canon Wario series. Wario started his company in the game. It has a full storyline.

Yes it does. No Wario Ware or Wario Land character stands a chance aside from Wario to making it in smash bros. On top of that, Smooth Moves came out what? In 2006. Brawl came out just 3 years ago. Why wouldn't that put Waluigi in Brawl=???

That wasn't what I was getting at. I was talking about SSB4. Character has been in a canon game. End of story.

If you appear in Mario, you appear in the biggest franchise in gaming history. If you appear in Wario Ware... you appear in like the 500th biggest franchise ever.

It's still a big franchise.

How is Waluigi good smash bros material=??? All of his moves would have to come from spin-off Mario games. There is nothing unique about him. All he's done is a whole lot of nothing. There are at least 2 or 3 dozen Nintendo characters more worthy. Heck, Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, Mr. L (lulz), and Petey Piranha have a better chance of having a bigger role in smash bros. 4. I said that in Brawl. All kinds of people got angry at me on my videos saying he was a mini-game character double for Luigi only, mad I didn't include him in the roster.

Guess what=??? Waluigi didn't even get considered. He has had no role change since Brawl.

Heck Balloon Fight was in one mini-game. That should automatically makes him have a great shot, minus the fact he could be unique.

No, he has just as much of a chance as anyone. So he didn't do much. He still has an unique moveset from those spinoffs. And yeah, he was one of the big villains in a spinoff. So he did do something. My only requirement is that they need to appear in a canon game. He fulfilled that already. Making a moveset for him isn't even that hard. I mean, why else would they have made a Waluigi hack that's actually not too bad at all. Not the best moveset ever, but they made an unique one for him. You know, fans. If they can do it, anybody can. Either way, he has a chance. He's the most notable spinoff character, and has a canon appearance. Both work for me. Want to know how many canon games Daisy appeared in? One. The difference is that she was too easy to make a joke costume of. Waluigi isn't. Waluigi for Smash.

 

[Conviction]

I would like to point of that, unlike the Pokemon vs. Digimon derp battle, the Shadow vs. Silver actually made a turn in a smash relate debate.

Carry on.

 

[Johnknight1]

I would like to point of that, unlike the Pokemon vs. Digimon derp battle, the Shadow vs. Silver actually made a turn in a smash relate debate.

Carry on.

My vote is neither.

Let's stick with Sonic as a playable character.

Maybe make Tails a playable, but probably not. If not, make him involved in the story and/or appear as assist trophies. The same goes with Knuckles, maybe minus the possibility of being playable (as much as that pains me). Knuckles may be the Geno of Brawl, lulz!

Maybe make Metal Sonic a boss, or involved in some stage. Definitely make Metal Sonic a Sonic alternate outfit.

Keep Shadow an assist trophy, and maybe a Sonic alternate outfit (that would be easy).

Maybe make Amy Rose a background character in smash bros.

Make Eggman a boss.

 

[Berserker.]

Sooo...now that Return to Dreamland has been out for a few days, does anyone here have it? And if so, does it seem as if Waddle Dee could become playable in SSB4? Not saying I support him, but if new things from the game show otherwise, I may reconsider.

Waddle Dee for Smash 4.

Seriously: http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2668

 

[Johnknight1]

Nah, let's focus on the Ridley instead. Us in the pro-Ridley folks still own this topic.

Speaking of which, the only Ridley group ("The Wrath of Ridley") is inactive, and has a long gone leader. Plus somehow they forgot about me

Anyone gonna make a Ridley Smash 4 group (the Ridley Alliance specifically)=???

If not, I am going to lead the charge to make a Ridley (Alliance) Group, lulz! RIDLEY SHALL REIGN!!!

Nuthin' wrong with ya Waddle Dee folks. At least we will have fresh food for our overlord; RIDLEY!!!!!!!!

 

[Conviction]

Waddle Dee for Smash

HoneyQueen for Smash

 

[Berserker.]

HoneyQueen and Wiggler for Sm4sh

 

[yani_]

Queenbee alliance plzz

 

[Conviction]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2UXNPQ5itg&feature=feedu

 

[Johnknight1]

That's it, I'm making a Ridley Group. If anyone wants to join, just say so here, PM me, or send me a profile message.

Ridley needs a group, and dang it, I am willing to lead the charge into HELL!!!!!!!!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2UXNPQ5itg&feature=feedu

For some reason Wario annoys the hell out of me, seeing him being thrashed by Dedede was a pleasant experience

 

[Conviction]

You are missing the point of the video.

The whole video is derp. Look at how they are playing. LOL

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, I'd make a group for lesser known/Spinoff(as in they're mostly in them) character: Waluigi, Daisy, Brian, etc.

Also, to be honest, I never liked Petey Piranha anyway. Gross character. Atleast he displayed a decent boss moveset in Smash.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You are missing the point of the video.

The whole video is derp. Look at how they are playing. LOL

I'll just say it now. I stuck with Melee, and all Brawl looks the same to me

 

[Conviction]

Sadface .

 

[Johnknight1]

They are playing somewhat n00by. They are side step dodging and dodge rolling too much, lol. At least that match provided action. At most tournaments I have gone to, the Brawl matches nearly went to the end (aside from my matches). In Brawl I was always aggressive and trying to just offensively own my opponent. Of course, that might be why I rarely had tournament success (the best I placed was 6th out of 32, finishing out of the money).

But then again, I have stopped playing Brawl. Unless the game and the rules stop being so camping and stalling friendly or a tournament is run by a great tournament host like CGC again in NorCal, I will probably not play Brawl at a tournament for a long time, if even ever again. I think honestly, that Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U might make Brawl's competitive scene as small as Smash 64's, lulz.

I hope at least that a lot of people move onto the new Smash games (or give them a shot and play the new smash bros games plus the first three), and I hope it is worth the hype. I am really hoping for that-more than any character!

 

[---]

Well it's nice to see we're done with that Sonic discussion, for now...

Well at least you all have the option of playing Brawl. My Wii's broken so I have no choice. Or any Smash game for that matter as I'm stuck without my GC and 64.

My skill level has probably gone down to noob due to lack of practice and play.

Now I'm just wondering when it'll be a good time to post my moveset...

 

[Shorts]

Screw big faces. Jill of Drill Dozer is where it's at.

 

[Berserker.]

Hey shorts, this might be useful if you are interested on how to play competitively as Zelda: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312594

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Post it now, Try-Hyphen.

 

[Johnknight1]

Alright guys, I created a new Ridley group. Here is the link to the group!

 

[Shorts]

I got a random urge to list my top forty (Plus two non) videogame ladies. Herrrreeee we gooo~

1. Lady Tsunade (Naruto)
2. Morrigan (DarkStalkers)
3. Cammy (Street Fighter)
4. Sheik (Legend Of Zelda)
5. Champoin Cynthia (Pokemon)
6. Cassandra (Soul Calibur)
7. Sakura (Naruto Shippuden)
8. Zelda (Legend Of Zelda)
9. Chun Li (Street Fighter)
10. Samus (Metroid)
11. Ivy Valentine (Soul Calibur)
12. Peach (Super Mario)
13. Leaf (Pokemon)
14. Lambda (BlazBlue)
15. Jill Valentine (Resident Evil)
16. Krystal (StarFox)
17. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
18. Rachel Alucard (BlazBlue)
19. May (Pokemon)
20. Noel Vermillion (BlazBlue)
21. Felicia (DarkStalkers)
22. Kanan (The Last Story)
23. Lorelei (Pokemon)
24. Gardevior (Pokemon)
25. Mu (BlazBlue)
26. Captain Syrup (WarioLand)
27. Medusa (Kid Icarus)
28. Krys (Pokemon)
29. Rouge the Bat (Sonic The Hedgehog)
30. Jill (Drill Dozer)
31. Yuffie (Final Fantasy)
32. Elena (Street Fighter)
33. Ashley (WarioWare)
34. Caeda (Fire Emblem)
35. Midna (Legend Of Zelda)
36. R. Mika (Street Fighter)
37. Misty (Pokemon)
38. Roll.EXE (Megaman Battlenetwork)
39. Pink Bomber (Bomberman)
40. Daisy (Super Mario)
41. Nabooru (Legend Of Zelda)
42. Adeline (Kirby)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I already joined, Johnknight1. Yay for searching!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Lady Tsunade

In her true form, or her illusion?

 

[Johnknight1]

Shortie Sheik is not a woman... until Brawl. I actually made a post on smash boards after Sheik was confirmed in Brawl (with her new look). I circled her boobs in Microsoft Pain and wrote "zOMG! b00bs confirmed!" for the epic win!

It was pretty awesome. I'm not one to usually notice things like that, but when Sheik looked buffer and more flat chested than adult Link, something has gotta give.

 

[Shorts]

In her true form, or her illusion?

Both. Because Tsunade in general is bad *** enough TO CREATE THAT ILLUSION. She's an awesome character. So is Sakura in Shipuuden, and that female Hokage. I used to love Temari as well. OH WELL. Enough Naruto talk.

 

[---]

Hmm, I think I'll wait for when activity picks up before I post it. As I want to get as many opinons on it as possible seeing as it's one of my more unique movesets...

As for your Ridley group, maybe I'll join. I don't think it really matters to have one when he's already the most requested newcomer for SSB4 and has already been brought to Sakurai's attention.

EDIT: Heck with it, Ridley can always use some more support.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Let me find my Red-Eyes Black Dragon moveset and modify it. There's extremely similar in design.

Or I would if it wasn't deleted due to old posts. :/

 

[Johnknight1]

Look at this picture:

Sadly, I agree! I do want that many characters... >.>

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I made a thread in the Ridley group about why he can't be in Sm4sh

http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=6705