New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Starphoenix]

Yasuhisa Watanabe was also responsible for another one of my favorite series' soundtracks, Bust-A-Move. This is why I love SUPERSWEEP is all of the artists involved are phenomenal and when they work together they create phenomenal soundtracks. Street Fighter EX and Megaman Network Transmission are regarded as top quality soundtracks for their respective consoles.

If we could have another Custom Robo game that bring back SUPERSWEEP, or heck just have them do another series altogether, I would be ecstatic.

More Psychic Force tunes.

Psychic Force 2012 - Perfect World
Psychic Force 2012 - No Limit To
Psychic Force 2012 - Tears and Flow
Psychic Force 2012 - Dirty Honey Bee
Psychic Force 2012 - Season Getting Grey
Psychic Force 2012 - The Man in the Dark
Psychic Force 2012 - Burning Storm
Psychic Force 2012 - Purely Soldier

 

[Metal Overlord]

Well, after a little break, I'm back.

Anything interesting happened while I was gone?

 

[Big-Cat]

So a glass cannon is a powerful aggressive character, that IS KILLABLE? Like a glass cannon would be IRL?

That's a cool name. Someone go more in depth with this glass cannon thing. Is that the same as a rushdown? Who would be the closest thing to a rushdown in Smash?

I'd say Fox or Pikachu would be the closest to rushdown. Of course, I haven't played Smash in a good while, and I probably won't because Project M isn't out AND I can't play on wi-fi at my college.

Is campy someone who just sits in one spot and waits for the other person to make a move?...isn't that mostly what Brawl is? I mean I feel like I have the upperhand when I'm not offensive... I've always noticed that, but I did even more tonight. Asage was not used to lag the first round, so I was offensive, and wrecked him. But as soon as he got his footing, it felt like a game of chicken. Waiting for one person to attack, and the other counter/dodge and try to attack. I dunno, it just felt... basic. And a lot of the time, attacking was a bad idea.

The bold is kind of what footsies is, except that in Brawl, just being on the offensive is a bad idea. Other games award you for taking the risks to get in. Campy really isn't the best word to describe what you're talking about. Zoning is a much better term as zoning, as berserker mentioned, is more than just being campy. You can zone offensively.

I'm REALLY into playstyles. I feel like when characters get unique/specific playstyles that we're actually adding something. One of the (many) reason I LOVE BLAZBLUE.

That's definitely one thing both BlazBlue and Guilty Gear accomplish. Every character plays differently. With the case of BlazBlue, it's easier to identify thanks to the D button.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Re: New Sonic game. Reminds me of Yoshi's Story.(and Four Swords a bit)

Anyway, more direct recolors sound nice. They were lacking in Brawl.(kind of hard to tell about if you're not using names, ya know?) Also, I prefer 2006 to Unleashed, but that's just me.(and other reviewers, apparently)

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm guessing Sakurai was not allowed to recolor Sonic's fur due to Sega being strict with his design. He is, after all, the BLUE Blur. Can't mess with that. Well, and many of his animations use that blue ball thing.

 

[Conviction]

Watching a playthrough of Sonic Gen.

The Game is Sexy as hell.

 

[Metal Overlord]

^ Speed Highway and Perfect Chaos

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm guessing Sakurai was not allowed to recolor Sonic's fur due to Sega being strict with his design. He is, after all, the BLUE Blur. Can't mess with that. Well, and many of his animations use that blue ball thing.

It still could've been the blue ball regardless. Recoloring his basic colors, like giving him green fur, etc, isn't a huge deal. Then again, we could just ask the hackers how hard it was to do.(that is, simply recoloring) I wonder if any of them are in here.

The Sega point, however... yeah, perhaps. But then again, aren't the now making a game with recolors?

 

[Oasis_S]

Rare made Sonic's colors. Do some research.

 

[Conviction]

Oh wow, really? That's pretty cool Oasis.

 

[Oasis_S]

Oh wow, really? That's pretty cool Oasis.

Cause Rare totally didn't make the StarFox franchise. Do some research.

I wish my signature would show up more often.

 

[Conviction]

Sonic vs. Metal Sonic cutsence in Sonic Gen is pretty epic.

 

[---]

Well it's nice to see people wondering about what the **** I'm doing with my moveset.

Anyway maybe I'm getting peoples hopes up which is making me nervous seeing as I can't fully discribe my moveset and what kind of playstyle it is.

I do feel, however, there is a lot of offensive potential due to the unique moves I've come up with and that one of them only works up to a certain % of damage...



As for a new Sonic game, I'm starting to think Sega's milking the franchise again. But if Sonic's starting to get out of his modern day rut I don't mind. Although I do wish that Sega would continue to work on the VC series.

But for him returning for SSB4, I'd be o.k. I guess seeing as hopefully this time he won't be a last minute addition character, I won't miss him much if he doesn't return, however.

 

[yani_]

I hope they get rid of that horrible sonic voice. I miss the older one from sa2:b

 

[Shorts]

Big The Cat>Silver

I used to LOVE Big the Cat. I'unno why. I also like Blaze and Amy. I like the hated.

Rare made Sonic's colors. Do some research.

Rare loves to butt into stupid things.

"Sakurai, what colors do you want me to-"

*door slams open*

"Bwah I'LLDOEM!"

"Rare?....why are you here?..."

"JUST LET ME."

I hate that all I found interesting enough to comment on, was Sonic characters, and my usual Oasis comment. What happened to OMEGA?

 

[augustoflores]

Metroid 2 Remake Demo is out now.

AM2R - The Demo - Trailer

go play it... tell me what it's like... i no longer have the luxury to play computer games nowadays.

 

[---]

I hope they get rid of that horrible sonic voice. I miss the older one from sa2:b

I guess, but lets not get into one of "those" discussions....

What happened to OMEGA?

Beats me. I still see him post often in the Lighthouse threads.

Metroid 2 Remake Demo is out now.

AM2R - The Demo - Trailer

go play it... tell me what it's like... i no longer have the luxury to play computer games nowadays.

Interesting. I'll have to download it and try it out. Of course it'll be hard to play on a labtop keyboard.

Ironically though a DX version of it was planned but canceled.

 

[Johnknight1]

As for a new Sonic game, I'm starting to think Sega's milking the franchise again. But if Sonic's starting to get out of his modern day rut I don't mind. Although I do wish that Sega would continue to work on the VC series.

But for him returning for SSB4, I'd be o.k. I guess seeing as hopefully this time he won't be a last minute addition character, I won't miss him much if he doesn't return, however.

At least they're making good games. They can milk the franchise-as long as they make good games... and keep bestiality out of the series... and forget about story and instead focus on game play (unless they make a really good story, which is unlikely given that it is SEGA).

Basically, every character that isn't Tails, Knuckles, Sonic, Eggman, Amy, and occasionally Shadow or the Chaotix STFU! (unless they're telling a funny joke)

I hope they really improve some of his moves. A lot of his moves felt forced, and I think they should speed up his specials, and maybe make one or two of them able to cover very long distances when charged up for a while.

Also Sonic needs some serious color alternates. I hated the rings, as did every other person in the world. Shadow colors, Tails colors, Knuckles colors, that stupid hawk thing colors, a silver and bronze Sonic, a metal Sonic alternate outfit (or at least colors), etc would be awesome.

 

[Shorts]

The only Sonic characters I like are the random ones...and Amy. Eggman is poop. Sonic is annoyiing. Tails is eh. Knuckles is eh. And I don't mind Shadow. Rouge is where it's at. I like the Omega robots as well. Not really a Cream/Big/Silver/Chaotics/WaveJetStorm fan. Basically....Amy, Blaze, and Rouge... weird. I know.

OF COURSE, I just would rather not have Sonic or Snake return, and not get Megaman or any other third parties. Ideally. But I don't really care that much.

 

[Johnknight1]

I still want to see a heavy small character. Jill Dozzzzzzzerrrr. I really like her right now, for some reason. Same with Chrome&Liz team. I could see them working in a way similar to Popo and Nana, but Liz would be a more Magic/Heal based, less physical/jump aid type character. I think they could pay off well, like the IC's and Olimar, unlike PT.

That's a great idea. A small heavy character would be excellent (as long as they either have an awful recovery, or minimal speed or mobility).

I think Jill Dozer would be the better choice, though.

"Purple Sonic, allegedly parodying Shadow and Silver, will be able to move platforms and float, with the dark nonsensical attitude to boot."

That's the best part.

LOL! I like how they refer to Shadow and Silver as nonsense.

Spoiler

They got that part right...

But seriously, Waluigi is a better character than most Sonic characters. At least Nintendo recognizes he is worthless and shuts him up. Meanwhile SEGA lets their stupid characters talk and talk and talk and talk... and then TALK!!!

I hate how SEGA always tries to make their their marque platforming series have a compelling story, when the story is always awful. Seriously-do what Mario does. Keep it simple, keep is sweet, and focus on the game play. That and add hilarious jokes. Mr. L for the WINNNN!!!!!!

Edit: I still can't think of a reason why Snake or Sonic wouldn't return in Smash 4. Sonic is appearing more and more on Nintendo consoles, and Metal Gear Solid 3 (one of the best games... EVER!!!) is getting remade on the 3DS. It's like... free publicity for Sonic games (especially on Nintendo consoles, which makes both companies money), and Metal Gear is likely to appear on more Nintendo consoles with the Wii U and 3DS now out (again, both make money off free hype). Plus their addition, again, creates all kinds of hype.

Mega Man still needs to show up too. Maybe Pac-Man because he's uber popular.

Spoiler

Geno because he's awesome and Super Mario RPG = win!!!

 

[---]

Agreed. How Sega handles their characters, at least the Sonic ones, are weird. Just give me Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik (Eggman sucks ), and I'm set.

The only good characters, and probably the best thing Sega has done after their console days, would be from the VC series.

 

[Johnknight1]

I don't mind the others that much, but c'mon-shut up! I wanna play the game, not listen to everyone go "oh gosh geez fellahs! What's gonna happen next? This is all so weird!" or "I'm the strongest because I think I am evile!"

Just stop talking and let me go a trillion miles an hour!!!

 

[Jaklub]

Robotnik (Eggman sucks ), and I'm set.

they're a single being.

 

[---]

I know they're the same person. I just like the name "Robotnik" better than "Eggman."

For many reasons.

 

[Johnknight1]

Robotnik is better than Eggman. Even if they are the same person, that statement is a 100% true FACT!

If you think otherwise you will be killed by a giant man-eating robot!!!

Edit: @ Oasis
Hey, since Lego got banned, what is his new smash boards account name=??? >.>

 

[Metal Overlord]

About this new rumor of the Sonic game on the Wii U supposedly being Dimensions... it's BS, IMO. It could be true, but right now, I really don't believe it at all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Johnknight: They're different people in the comics, actually. I prefer Eggman myself. Much more dangerous, even if he gets screwed over. I can take him more seriously because of that.

@Metal Overlord: They should call it Sonic Recolors.

 

[Johnknight1]

Meah, I still think in the games nearly the entire Sonic the Hedgehog is lame. Make them less lame, or make them more cartoony. Either way, the story should take a backseat, just like in the Mario franchise. That's worked pretty well for Mario. He's still the most relevant video game character of them all!

As for the rumored Sonic game... you never know. We shouldn't jump to either side until SEGA says, does, or shows something that either proves it or disproves it.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Can we please get back on-topic? Those kinds of discussions were the reason for why this thread got locked before.

 

[Johnknight1]

The future of Sonic could effect extra Sonic characters appearance in smash bros. You never know.

Also, Tails need to be an assist trophy or something. Same goes with Knuckles (or a boss).

If Robotnik (tah heck with Eggman) isn't a boss in Smash Bros. 4, I will be severely disappointed. I might even hold a funeral... >.>

Also, I can't remember the bosses in Brawl that weren't Raquaza, Ridley, Porkey (in his Porkeybot), Meta Ridley, Crazy Hand, Master Hand, Giga Bowser, and Tabuu, lol. To heck with original bosses; bring me bosses I already know.

By the way, I think the Porkey, Rayquaza, Ridley, and Meta Ridley boss fights were pretty much super epic. Bringing in non-playable characters as bosses is awesome! It needs to happen more!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Let's get back to discuss how to make characters better then or something? Thought about something for Bowser this time.

For Bowser I'd like them to do;
-Stronger Ftilt (resembling Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, the punch was his main attack)
-More range on the Firebreath.
-Make the Up B have the same sweetspot as in Melee, or something similar.
-More super armor moves (on the Forward B for example)
-Maybe make him even bigger and heavier. Bigger would be good, especially for more range on his moves (think 1.3 x his size in Brawl)

Also unrelated but, I'd like to be able to fight back somehow when someone has grabbed me. Chain throwing is something they should also really fix. Maybe have some sort of feature that the heavier the character is compared to yours, the harder it is to grab them (just really, Pikachu for example cannot properly lift barrels & crates, but he's able to throw around Bowser around the battle field like he weights nothing).

 

[Johnknight1]

Bowser's fSmash needs to explode like in Project M. He also should be bigger, have a few more speed attacks, a lot more super armor, and probably move quicker.

Also, chain grabbing, aside from maybe 2 or 3 chain grabs (like with Sheik in Melee, except less gay) at low damage percentages or above like 150% (like Wobbling, except at higher percentages and less gay) needs to die. Tech chase/mind game chain grabs can stay though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Size contrast in Smash always was kind of weird I feel... Some characters I feel need to be significantly larger than others. It doesn't make sence that Mario is almost as short as Pikachu and Kirby. Sure, it's just Smash, but I'd like it if the sizes were at least somewhat believable compared to the games.

Problem is, with size comes range for physical attacks. That's why I ask of nothing much. I just want Kirby, Jigglypuff and Pikachu somewhat smaller (like 70% of their Brawl size) and Bowser and possibly Ridley of coarse bigger (like Bowser being 130% of his size in Brawl). The rest of the characters are fine actually.

Don't know much about Project M, but did see some stuff from Brawl+ and Brawl- a long time ago. I personally don't think Bowser needs to be faster, as in running and attacking speed. It's the lag after the moves that kills him the most. Whirling Fortress from Melee was nice with the sweetspot. But even if Bowser had that, the move would still lag too much to be used safely enough (according to Bowser's overall abilities). They should also maybe make it somewhat like Squirtle's Side B? In which he wouldn't get damage when he's being hit when using the move.

Another thing maybe they could do is that Bowser receives far less knockback or damage when he's being attack from behind? That big shell ought to be usable somehow instead of just slowing him down?

 

[Johnknight1]

I think Bowser's smash attacks should be just as strong, while a lot of his non-kill tilts and aerials are about as fast as moves Meta Knight uses.

Really, Bowser having a crappy recovery, crappy speed, and being such a huge target already balances out that he can kill at low percentage and that he is a heavyweight.

 

[Opossum]

The future of Sonic could effect extra Sonic characters appearance in smash bros. You never know.

Also, Tails need to be an assist trophy or something. Same goes with Knuckles (or a boss).

If Robotnik (tah heck with Eggman) isn't a boss in Smash Bros. 4, I will be severely disappointed. I might even hold a funeral... >.>

Also, I can't remember the bosses in Brawl that weren't Raquaza, Ridley, Porkey (in his Porkeybot), Meta Ridley, Crazy Hand, Master Hand, Giga Bowser, and Tabuu, lol. To heck with original bosses; bring me bosses I already know.

By the way, I think the Porkey, Rayquaza, Ridley, and Meta Ridley boss fights were pretty much super epic. Bringing in non-playable characters as bosses is awesome! It needs to happen more!

Petey Piranha is sad that you remembered Tabuu and not him...

To heck with Gallium and Duon, though. Totally uninspired...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I was sort of hoping Galleon and Duon were Kirby bosses the first time I saw them. >_> But yeah they're totally uninspired.

The Ridley fights, Rayquaza (however random the choice) and Porky were awesome though. Petey Piranha is meh, but I disliked the character anyway since it's broken AI in Mario Kart Double Dash (always on first place this b*tch, ALWAYS). Would've liked an Andross battle as well maybe. Also K.Rool if he doesn't turn out to be playable.

Bowser moving at MetaKnight speed is madness though... His speed should always be his weakest point. I just want it to not be as bothersome as it is now. Being able to live up to 200% at just about any stage should be a good enough counter to it. Some little defensive options (thinking of Whirling Fortress again) wouldn't hurt either. Maybe a new Down B could help him to. Who uses it anyway?

 

[Johnknight1]

That's because Petey Piranha was the first boss, and was easy.

It was still a memorably boss, though. The other Nintendo character bosses were much harder, that's all.

And seriously. Aside from the Hands, Giga Bowser, and I guess Tabuu (who is more annoying than fun), I can't even remember the other Smash-original bosses.

Also, anybody else think that the four Regis in Pokémon, Deoxys, Vatti (his classic eye cloud thing form), Bowser Jr. in a mechanic robot, Bowser in his flying thing from Super Mario World, Krusha (Donkey Kong Country), Mother Brain, Kraid, Giggyas (or however it's spelled), Mr. Dream (or Mike Tyson), Birdo (yes, the Birdo), Wart, Team Star Wolf (in their ships), Andross(' Brain!), Eggman, and Metal Gear REX/RAY would be great bosses=???

Edit: I meant Bowser having some fast attacks like Meta Knight, not moving as fast as Meta Knight. Bowser needs some speed attacks ya know. King Dedede and Donkey Kong have several strong attacks, yet they also have a few quick attacks to set those attacks up for kills. Bowser needs that kind of offensive balance.

And yeah-Bowser's down B needs to either change or be heavily modified.

 

[Opossum]

I honestly believe Rayquaza was there to give a decent shoutout to Generation III. But yeah, there should be 10 Nintendo bosses at least, alongside the Hands, and possibly a final boss like Tabuu, and maybe throw in a boss for each third party series, if they return. If I had my way, this would be the boss roster for SSB4:

Nintendo Bosses:

King Boo
Andross
Giygas
Mother Brain
Emperor Bulblax
Black Knight possibly?
King Hippo (Assuming Little Mac makes it.)
Giratina (Distortion World stage:D)
ANY Legend of Zelda boss (Vaati maybe)
Nightmare

Original Bosses

Master Hand
Crazy Hand
Giga Bowser (Assuming Bowser's Final Smash is altered)
Fabuu (Tabuu's flamboyant pink cousin )

3rd Parties

Eggman/Robotnik
Metal Gear REX
Dr. Wily


I kinda like Bowser's Down B. It's a nice homage to SMB 3.

 

[---]

Bosses?

King Boo
Giygas
Kraid
Emperor Bulblax
Giratina
King Hippo
Twinbellows (KI)
Murasame Statue
Dr. Robotnik
Metal Gear Ray (save Rex for Snake's FS)
Yellow Devil

 

[Oasis_S]

...If Eggman is a boss, then Mega Man better team up with Sonic, mistaking his nemesis for a robot master. :I

I wonder if it would work having a Kraid boss battle, while ALSO battling Ridley (as a normal character, not a boss). Since those two are bros, y'know.