New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Johnknight1]

@ Kuma
That move is way too slow out of the get go. It should probably have some sort of launch (rising )attack in it if you ask me (like Marth's). Plus it flies too slow. I hope Ridley ain't that slow when he finally makes it in smash.

Here is some news that should interest everyone here in a not so direct way. Look's like E3 2012 will be the real Wii U unveiling. Also, it is being said that the Wii U will be launching in November of next year.

Satoru Iwata: We are also planning to launch the Wii U, which is the successor to the Wii, during the next fiscal year. We would like to show the final format of the Wii U at the E3 show next year. As we learned a bitter lesson with the launch of the Nintendo 3DS, we are trying to take every possible measure so that the Wii U will have a successful launch.

Gives me a good feeling that Smash Bros, even in short CGI form, will have some kind of visual presence since they are determined to set the console off on good footing. Also, Nintendo is continuing to tout their "increased partnership with third party companies" line they have adopted recently. It is starting to make me feel that, give this new found spirit within Nintendo, they might allow for third party characters to expand a little. No, I am not saying we are suddenly going to have thirteen third party characters. However, what I am saying it is not much of a stretch anymore to believe that given the nature of Smash Bros itself that we may see some more guests.

I know this is early, but I am going to throw down the gauntlet.

e3 2012:
New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Wii U Play
Metroid Prime 4
Pikmin 3
Super Smash Bros. 4
Dragon Quest X: Wii U edition
Ninja Gaiden III
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3: Deluxe Edition
Street Fighter X Tekken
Lego City Stories
Killer Freaks from Outer Space
Darksiders II

Yeah I think NEW Super Mario Wii will be much of the focus, along with the Wii U Skyward Sword, specifically the changes.

Wii U Play (and maybe Wii U Sports) definitely should be there.

Metroid Prime 4? Has that been confirmed? I thought the Prime series was done. Maybe a new Metroid series may begin?

Pikmin 3 will be hype.

Street Fighter X Tekken (and hopefully Tekken X Street Fighter) get some good representation, along with the new version of MvC3. Hopefully the come to the Wii U. I also agree that Captain Falcon would kick a** in a Street Fighter/Teken/Marvel vs. game, but I think they'll two particular plumbers... >.>

I also think more of the controllers for the Wii U will be revealed, along with multimedia partnerships.

Something tells me we may just get some pictures from Smash 4, or maybe a trailer of mostly veterans and maybe one or two big time newcomers/Melee cut character, such as a Mewtwo, a Dixie Kong, a K. Rool, a Ridley, or if Nintendo wants hype out of the friggen roof, that blue half-robot half-human guy with a mega buster thing and a mechanical dog. What's his name=???

Really though, If Mega Man was revealed early it may actually be bad timing for the game. The hype will be there, but who else would be bigger=??? When Brawl was revealed, we got Solid f***ing Snake. Most of us were thinking probably Diddy Kong, maybe King Dedede, and definitely Mega Man and (especially) Sonic the Hedgehog would get even more hype. It's like Nintendo gave us something to chew on for nearly 2 years, but anyone who knew anything knew they were keeping their ace until the timing was right.

Really, Sonic was introduced at a perfect time. (here's what happened with Brawl after that) A release date delay? No probs, we got Sonic! Another? Okay, we still got Sonic. Another? F*** YOU SAKURAI! I WILL **** YOUR PONIES!!!!

Really though each time I was hoping it would be delayed further. Little did I know how right I was. I was SOOOOO CLLOOOOSSEEEE to Dixie Kong and a possibly solid and actually playable Mewtwo.

Why is that sad thing?

Because Samus would likely be very sexual in a Dead or Alive game. Heck, they already gave her post-traumatic stress disorder when it came to Ridley, instead of giving Samus the urge to destroy him again for killing her parents.

I'm not sure if Nintendo would let that happen, though. Honestly, I want her to stay as a human, justice vs. revenge questioning human, and not some stupid woman with revealing outfits as her personality like what slowly happened to Lara Croft.

I'm pretty sure Dead or Alive and Nintendo will collaborate at some point. I think other good Dead or Alive characters would be Sheik (ninja), Captain Falcon (awesomeness was created by his nipples), Issac (Earth powers for the win!) Takamaru (samurai), Ganondorf (evil magician who will own you with one sword, two swords, or his beast form), and above all, Link.

A new Pokemon game is supposed to be released in Spring in Japan, hopefully its a Ruby and Sapphire remake. Serebii says its unconfirmed as of right now so we'll have to wait and see what's going on.

It's not going to be a Ruby and Sapphire Remake. It's probably going to be the third version of White and Black. In other words, we're getting another Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum version. That or another spin-off game. Maybe we'll get a Wii U Pokémon Stadium=??? Hopefully it doesn't suck like the Wii Pokémon Stadium/Coliseum wanna be. That game not just had Game Boy noises, but Pokémon Stadium and Pokémon Coliseum animation and graphics, lol!

Nintendo usually saves the remake for about 3 years. So far, it's barely been 1 year since we have had Black and White.

When the hell did they use "sex appeal" as a selling point? That's what I wanna know.

I second what Shortie said about this, too.

Smooth Criminal

Samus, while not an overly revealing woman, is what many males see as the perfect body. Skinny, blonde hair, blue eyes, fair yet somewhat tan skin, and she also looks pretty tall. Nintendo has never sold her sex appeal, but they have definitely used it. Nintendo hasn't really done what I consider fan service outside of some pictures in Zero Mission and Fusion which were still PG at worst (so no big deal). So yeah, I guess that means I third Shortie's motion... and question where the hell Smooth Criminal randomly strikes from...

Personally, I don't like blondes though. I just want Samus to remain Samus, and Nintendo to treat her character the same way as they do as... say... Link. I don't think many Nintendo fans or fan boys want to see Link in a bikini, lulz... >.>

Dead or Alive will probably sell her sex appeal, though. I don't want to see any of her... parts... move in any perverted way, and neither does Nintendo.

 

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Does anyone feel Pit's Wings of Icarus feels a little lacking? He struck me as an aerial character from the beginning, so why not give him Fly/Unfly?

Sort of. I can see it being upgraded slightly in SSB4 due to Uprising but I don't think it'll change too much.

If anything I can see major aerial attacks being given to Palutena and her Miracle of Flight Uprising thing and or Caeda with her Pegasus.

I'm not sure if Nintendo would let that happen, though. Honestly, I want her to stay as a human, justice vs. revenge questioning human, and not some stupid woman with revealing outfits as her personality like what slowly happened to Lara Croft.

Agreed.

I'm pretty sure Dead or Alive and Nintendo will collaborate at some point. I think other good Dead or Alive characters would be Sheik (ninja), Captain Falcon (awesomeness was created by his nipples), Issac (Earth powers for the win!) Takamaru (samurai), Ganondorf (evil magician who will own you with one sword, two swords, or his beast form), and above all, Link.

Sheik sounds perfect for that, nothing suggestive about her at all. But for collaboration you never know... "looks at Ryu Hayabusa"

Personally, I don't like blondes though. I just want Samus to remain Samus, and Nintendo to treat her character the same way as they do as... say... Link. I don't think many Nintendo fans or fan boys want to see Link in a bikini, lulz... >.>

Dead or Alive will probably sell her sex appeal, though. I don't want to see any of her... parts... move in any perverted way, and neither does Nintendo.

This is why I perfer FE girls.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Samus looking at Other M.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Kuma
I second what you said.

On top of that, perfect shielding where it reflects projectiles should return. Maybe even allow perfect shielding on close range attacks (as in hand to hand) to stun the foe. Make the stun not enough to counter them with an attack, but to where you are now the aggressor, and the foe whom you perfect shielded is now on more of the defensive side.

Also, I would love to see Final Smashes having an option to not being random. Imagine if there was an option to make it to where you can get your final smash automatically on your last stock (and only on your last stock). That, while maybe not competitively accepted, I think would make the game more fun for casual players, and create much more close matches. Plus I would totally rock that mode in non-tournament matches at tournaments and smash fests.... assuming that there aren't ridiculously broken final smashes (ROB's laser, anything with a land master) or near worthless final smashes (Lucario's whatever)

@Kumo
Do the Wings cancel out from attacks? If so, then definitely add Fly/Unfly btw I'm looking for ideas like that if you give me feedback

@John
I brought up some ideas responding to Mario&Sonic Guy a few pages back, mostly favoring Egg Lay: more stun time for damage and/or force them out of egg through KO
Agreed though, SORA should look into what competitive players want. It might crush their spirit but they could look into the changes made in hacks to get some ideas.

Anyone feel that KOing for some characters (ex. Fox in Melee) should have some sort of mid-tier feel? Like the characters who KO <100% should be at 120~150. I think that could help the balance out a bit, since the KOability of some characters in Melee threw off the balance.

I agree that the neutral B egg, should stun (like that one Zamus whip attack), especially as a setup for kill moves. I also think his side B should stun somewhat. That could be great.

Sakurai has mentioned that he will trust more of his staff to help him balance this game for casual and competitive players, so all is good. Personally I think in Smash 64 and Melee Shigeru Miyamoto helped balance the game within, whereas in Brawl Miyamoto was busy with both Mario Galaxy games, along with 400 other projects.

I also think that L-cancelling may return (in smash 64 it was actually an official technique on the smash 64 site). Remember, in the Brawl demos that L-cancelling, along with wave dashing and wave landing were still in the game. Wave dashing and wave landing, while they increased speed IMO aren't really needed, but L-cancelling (or at least less after aerial lag when landing on the ground) needs to definitely come back to create more offense to further balance out offense and defense.

Some of the balancing hacks-whether move hacks, balancing/game play change hacks (Balanced Brawl, that new version of Brawl+, etc) creatable character hacks, and all the major technique hacks should be looked at for inspiration. A lot of them casuals might like, too.

Yeah KO's should happen later if you ask me, and more characters should have good recovery (YOSHI, Ness, and Lucas). That way, the game revolves more around proper recovery, the epic battle to recover (just watch Armada turnip snipe someone off the stage, and imagine that but longer and more epic), and the ability of only heavy characters to kill early with strong moves would create some much needed balance.

 

[Fuujin]

John what are you talking about

sit down

 

[Johnknight1]

^ It's a mind game, SUUUUUUUUUUNNNN!!!!!

Sheik sounds perfect for that, nothing suggestive about her at all. But for collaboration you never know... "looks at Ryu Hayabusa"

That would be a perfect rivalry. Plus a Zelda in that game using some magical attacks could be pretty friggen sweet. (Also, her blonde classic 3D/Ocarina of Time outfit needs to be seriously blonde not like starch blonde colored!)

This is why I perfer FE girls.

Well they aren't exactly sex-appeal driven either. They act just like anyone else. That's what I really like what Nintendo does. They treat their male and female characters pretty much equal. If they are attractive, they aren't practically naked like some characters. *coughEveryWomanInSoulCaliburcough*

Although I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Samus looking at Other M.

I hated that. I don't mind Samus being shocked or scared, but the way they did it was so lame. It should have been like something out of a romanticism-era tale. Tons of emotion from Samus and all of those expressed by Samus in her response. She should have had terrible flash backs, felt the terror she felt as a kid (much like PTSD, but not as bad), felt the fear of what would happen to her after Ridley killed her parents, felt the shock of seeing her worst nemesis alive, felt regretful that Ridley is still alive and that she didn't finish him off, felt confused as to why Ridley is still alive, felt rage towards Ridley for killing her parents, felt a strong sense of justice to execute Ridley for his crimes, and felt disappointment that she couldn't stop Ridley.

If that happened to Samus in Other M that would have been ridiculously awesome. That sort of stuff would also humanize her a lot more. Thankfully at least Nintendo kept Namco on a leash, forbidding them from making Samus into just about how big some of her body parts were, or how revealing her outfit was. I really don't understand why people find something like how overly larger certain parts of Ivy's body are.

Pretty much this whole video is epic, especially 0:16 to 0:23.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Samus was totally a sub in Other M, and freaking Adam was her dom.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Smooth Criminal
LMAO, I nearly hacked a lung laughing at that. I almost laughed as much at that comment as I did at this sketch.

I don't get why the Samus-Adam relationship wasn't more like in Fusion. They should have left the relationship similar to Metroid Fusion, because Samus was already a veteran bounty hunter, and had been through all the crap in Metroid, Metroid II, Metroid Prime, MP Hunters, MP2 Echoes, MP3 Corruption, and Super Metroid. Samus was practically already a legend. The only thing they should have changed is maybe have Adam take on much more of a mentor role instead of just an occasional helper.

Although I find it funny they kind of made the Samus-Adam relationship similar to Link and Zelda' relationship, lulz...

 

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Well they aren't exactly sex-appeal driven either. They act just like anyone else. That's what I really like what Nintendo does. They treat their male and female characters pretty much equal. If they are attractive, they aren't practically naked like some characters. *coughEveryWomanInSoulCaliburcough*

Agreed.

If that happened to Samus in Other M that would have been ridiculously awesome. That sort of stuff would also humanize her a lot more. Thankfully at least Nintendo kept Namco on a leash, forbidding them from making Samus into just about how big some of her body parts were, or how revealing her outfit was. I really don't understand why people find something like how overly larger certain parts of Ivy's body are.

Pretty much this whole video is epic, especially 0:16 to 0:23.

It was Team Ninja (DoA and Ninja Gaiden) who did Other M, not Namco. Not that there's much difference on how they'd handle things.

Funny Video.

 

[y.toonlink]

With the whole L-Cancel or Auto-Cancel thing I'm with L-Cancel: it's fun to punish mistakes sometimes :D
The "proper" term could be called Shield Cancel or something since you're technically Shielding to cancel the lag. If not Wavedashing/landing then some sort of back step or maneuver that lets you slide back or forward in a neutral position (wasn't it called wavedashing because it had something to do with the wavebird)
Speaking of Shields, the frames where you remove the shield should allow Side and Down Smash. I'm guessing it's only possible to Up Smash is because jumpsquat is canceled and you Dodge/Roll with side/down, but those frames could be canceled to attack out of shield, instead of just Up Smash/Special.

Project M looks like they're making Bowser a little more like Giga Bowser. Finally Bowser isn't going to be like sh**. He's f**king Bowser yo.

Hey Talim wasn't really naked, she was just a cute Filipina :D
Whoa wait, in Other M did they make Samus look ***** from seeing Ridely? poop way to be stereotypical

yo John, check your PMs :O

 

[Fobmescs]

Did Sakurai started making Super Smash Bros. 4?

 

[Johnknight1]

It was Team Ninja (DoA and Ninja Gaiden) who did Other M, not Namco. Not that there's much difference on how they'd handle things.

Funny Video.

I thought Namco owned Team Ninja. I guess not...

And yeah, that video makes me chuckle every time. "Hang low sweet chariots!"

My favorite Creed quote is his one on cults, and my favorite Creed moment is where he stares down Pam's boobs!

@ y.toonlink/t.link underestimated
Also, Melee-like dash dancing needs to return (on top of L-cancelling or more than 50% less vulnerable frames after you land on the ground while performing an aerial move). That put much more emphasis on spacing in smash, and allowed for quick offense. It also rewarded who was less predictable or whoever had better timing more, which as we know is how (competitive) fight games (and competitive games in general) should work. Brawl's dash dancing covered like... 3 feet. Any attack could pretty much hit about that much distance, lol.

Also Bowser is bigger and stronger? That's so bad a**. Screw almost going through the platforms on battlefield, make a third of him taller than the platforms!

And yeah, Samus' reaction to Ridley was one-dimensional. There's nothing wrong with her being scared, but realistically she would have many emotions. Humans have somewhere around 400-800 emotions, and we show many at the same time. Team Ninja should have just given us insight into Samus' thoughts and past, and showed all of them. That would give us a deeper insight into Samus, and would really put the player more into the game and Samus' situation. Plus it makes you hate Ridley more as if he killed your parents... >.>

Edit:

Did Sakurai started making Super Smash Bros. 4?

No, not yet. He's begun to assemble the development team and filling applications.

However, Sakurai's main focus right now is finishing Kid Icarus: Uprising, which currently has a release date of early 2012.

 

[y.toonlink]

Yes! More fake-out tactics (even tho I never used Pivot Smash). Melee DashDance comes with Foxtrotting, which was pretty useful. Moonwalking was just for swag.
lol no not literally Giga Bowser...well to an extent, like his FSmash having a little explosion on his head.
Attack out of Shield instead of just UpSmash/Special? More mindgames :D

Hm, I have yet to play Other M (and Prime 2, 3 and Hunters) but I hope Nintendo won't let Team Ninja take away Samus's Kill Bill attitude. She should've done this when looking at Ridely (038-051)
Uma Thurman as Samus for the f**king win. I know Samus talking kinda kills it, but it was made up for a badass Kill Bill voice.

Oh, and you can just go with Goku or Young if you want lol

 

[Pachinkosam]

Yes! More fake-out tactics (even tho I never used Pivot Smash). Melee DashDance comes with Foxtrotting, which was pretty useful. Moonwalking was just for swag.
lol no not literally Giga Bowser...well to an extent, like his FSmash having a little explosion on his head.
Attack out of Shield instead of just UpSmash/Special? More mindgames :D

Hm, I have yet to play Other M (and Prime 2, 3 and Hunters) but I hope Nintendo won't let Team Ninja take away Samus's Kill Bill attitude. She should've done this when looking at Ridely (038-051)
Uma Thurman as Samus for the f**king win. I know Samus talking kinda kills it, but it was made up for a badass Kill Bill voice.

Oh, and you can just go with Goku or Young if you want lol

i love mindgames lol samus was my main

 

[y.toonlink]

Mindgames with bombs (in Melee)? :O That's how I use Samus at least. Brawl was more Zair, because she was a bit pitiful when it comes to combos

 

[Johnknight1]

Yes! More fake-out tactics (even tho I never used Pivot Smash). Melee DashDance comes with Foxtrotting, which was pretty useful. Moonwalking was just for swag.
lol no not literally Giga Bowser...well to an extent, like his FSmash having a little explosion on his head.
Attack out of Shield instead of just UpSmash/Special? More mindgames :D

Hm, I have yet to play Other M (and Prime 2, 3 and Hunters) but I hope Nintendo won't let Team Ninja take away Samus's Kill Bill attitude. She should've done this when looking at Ridely (038-051)
Uma Thurman as Samus for the f**king win. I know Samus talking kinda kills it, but it was made up for a badass Kill Bill voice.

Oh, and you can just go with Goku or Young if you want lol

Fake out ("mind game") tactics for the win! Hopefully they don't become the focus along with controlling the foe, otherwise we won't have to worry about banning Meta Knight. Instead, we'll worry about banning Isai.

Dash dancing definitely needs to return. Fox trotting is pretty sweet dancing moves bro, and moon walking is like the awesomeness of swag ballroom dancing in a stick if dynamite.

Sonic should be able to dash dance automatically (as in instantly reverse at the speed of dash dancing). Sonic should also be way faster. As in like 1.5 times faster than Captain Falcon in Melee (and have a fast stopping speed), and that speed should definitely translate to the air if he goes airborne right after running.

By Giga Bowser do you mean they made him bigger? Or just Giga Bowser-esk strength=??? I personally think making Bowser a bit bigger wouldn't be that bad of an idea. But that exploding fSmash idea sounds epic. Honestly, characters should feel more like gods in smash bros if you ask me. I'm not saying there should be zero to death combos or anything, but you should feel like you could destroy a building in a punch with characters like Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Bowser, and other heavyweight strong characters.

Yeah Samus should totally have a Kill Bill attitude, but have her sense of justice override that. Samus should also be incredibly smart like she is in the Metroid games that aren't Other M. Also, I don't really mind Samus' voice in that game surprisingly. I just hate how weak and passive she sounds, despite killing thousands of space pirates, aliens, and monsters.

I'll refer to you as "y.link is actually toon link but is actually underestimated because of the name change" for now!

And dang it, give us more tech mind games. I want a Bowser dAir/nAir tech mind game chase!!!

 

[Oasis_S]

If we're talking about Samus's character, I always thought this page and the next was a great summarization of it.

I AM A WARRIOR.


Is Medeus a dark dragon or an earth dragon. What the hell.

 

[Deleted member]

Gives me a good feeling that Smash Bros, even in short CGI form, will have some kind of visual presence since they are determined to set the console off on good footing. Also, Nintendo is continuing to tout their "increased partnership with third party companies" line they have adopted recently. It is starting to make me feel that, give this new found spirit within Nintendo, they might allow for third party characters to expand a little. No, I am not saying we are suddenly going to have thirteen third party characters. However, what I am saying it is not much of a stretch anymore to believe that given the nature of Smash Bros itself that we may see some more guests.

I know this is early, but I am going to throw down the gauntlet.

e3 2012:
New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Wii U Play
Metroid Prime 4
Pikmin 3
Super Smash Bros. 4
Dragon Quest X: Wii U edition
Ninja Gaiden III
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3: Deluxe Edition
Street Fighter X Tekken
Lego City Stories
Killer Freaks from Outer Space
Darksiders II

I agree that we will see something in regards to visuals at E3 2012, even if it's just "cinematic trailer". I can imagine the trailer right now.

In regards to your third-party content, I am thinking we'll see new guests for this game, given that they were such a popular concept in Brawl. I can see us getting up to two new guests for this game and four third-party total if Sonic and Snake returns.

On your list; it would be somewhat disappointing. Only three new games from Nintendo and most of the rest being already announced games or ports. I really don't want the first year or so be purely ports from PS3/360 titles (with the possibility that they won't be upgraded); games I can get on my PS3 right now. Although the awesome Smash cinematic trailer that would result from it would be fantastic. Oh and Pikmin 3 needs to finally be revealed more.

 

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If we're talking about Samus's character, I always thought this page and the next was a great summarization of it.

I AM A WARRIOR.


Is Medeus a dark dragon or an earth dragon. What the hell.

That sounds about right. And let me guess: YOU ARE MACH RIDER!


As for your FE question: Medeus is an Earth Dragon but he was killed by Marth in FE1, but was revived as a Dark Dragon in FE3.

Ironically Earth Dragons (the final boss in FE1) became only minor enemies in FE3.

 

[Shorts]

@Shorts: I think I used to have a good Snake impression, incidentally. :V

Which corner did you work at? Or were you more of a CALLBOY?~

@Shortie: Not everyone likes "sexy". Or thinks that kind of thing is sexy. Just saying. Also, they're the same person. Samus is known for being a strong independent woman. Not being fanservice. Why? It's part of her character.

You don't know a thing about women then. You can be strong, indepentent and sexy. EVERYONE likes to be and to see sexy, if you don't you're asexual. Besides, she isn't in her Zero suit all the time, seriously...GTFO over it. You aren't complaining about Snake...?

Also, why do we have no Tessa/Leo/Haunzer/Kenji in MvC? I would rather have them than Spencer, or Arthur.

Bass.EXE and Red Earth for MvC. Oh and Karin and Elena for SFxTekken

 

[Johnknight1]

I agree that we will see something in regards to visuals at E3 2012, even if it's just "cinematic trailer". I can imagine the trailer right now.

In regards to your third-party content, I am thinking we'll see new guests for this game, given that they were such a popular concept in Brawl. I can see us getting up to two new guests for this game and four third-party total if Sonic and Snake returns.

On your list; it would be somewhat disappointing. Only three new games from Nintendo and most of the rest being already announced games or ports. I really don't want the first year or so be purely ports from PS3/360 titles (with the possibility that they won't be upgraded); games I can get on my PS3 right now. Although the awesome Smash cinematic trailer that would result from it would be fantastic. Oh and Pikmin 3 needs to finally be revealed more.

We all generally agree we'll get around 2 new third party characters, give or take 1 spot.

As for the ports, they could have new Wii U Control features that make them unique. On top of that, Nintendo wants to show their online can be as good as the 360's or PS3's (minus getting hacked). The Wii U version of said games could also have some new features or characters, specifically the fighting games. If you had the choice between MvC3 or Street Fighter X Tekken that were exactly the same except the Wii U version had Mario and Luigi, which would you buy=????

Plus let's be honest; most blockbuster 3rd party titles aren't appearing on the Wii, or at least aren't as good on the Wii. Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3 (even if it's just a lesser COD4 which even then is overrated), all the various sports games, Assassin's Creed, etc.

As for smash bros, I have a hard time seeing any huge 3rd party reveal, minus some sort of "WTF?" like Snake in Brawl. The equivalent I guess would be Pac-Man, since let's be honest: everybody knows who Pac-Man is. Still, I definitely think the first Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS trailer will start slower. We won't get 5 veterans and 5 newcomers in the first trailer. We might get... I dunno a dozen (expected) veterans and 1 or 2 newcomers.

However, let's be honest: in a first trailer we would rather be hyped to see 5 newcomers like what happened in Brawl. If I'm not mistaken, Melee had a similar thing happen, too. All the starters, including newcomers were revealed off the bat (minus Zelda and Sheik, which were revealed about a few months before the game's release). So that means Melee revealed Bowser, Peach, and the Ice Climbers right off the bat. 3 newcomers ain't bad to start of with, eh=??? (again, someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Even though I want only veterans in the trailer (Mewtwo?), I think it's very likely in the first trailer we'll get a newcomer. Maybe one or two. I also think characters will be revealed slowly through surprise trailers (like the 2nd Brawl trailer at Nintendo World 06' where several stages were shown, as well as Fox was revealed), much like what happened with the Melee dojo and the Brawl dojo once it was revamped.

I got to imagine that the first one or two newcomers Sakurai would like to show off, much like he did with the first 5 in Brawl (minus making one have a lame voice and a campy play style *coughPitcough*). Sakurai also got the elephant in the room, Wario, out in the open pretty quickly which was smart. I think we may get an elephant in the room revealed like Ridley, some recently revived retro character, or perhaps Dixie Kong even.

@ ---

Mysterious Machine: "Obi Wan Masahiro Sakurai never told you what happened to your father Mach Rider."

Mach Rider: "He told me enough." *moves* "He told me you killed him."

Mysterious Machine: "No Mach Rider... I am your father bike!!!"

Mach Rider: "Yeah, that's why I'm riding you dumb a**!!!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Shortie: No, some people have preferences and don't like "sexy". You're making an untrue blanket statement to protect "fanservice". Not everybody likes it. I know asexual people who think sexy stuff is great. Which also proves your point wrong. It's simply your opinion that sexy is acceptable to people who aren't asexual. I don't like fanservice for no good reason. I sure is hell ain't asexual.

With that said, moving on.

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Also, MegaMan for SSB4 and Ultimate MVC3.

 

[Johnknight1]

Depends what you mean by "sexy." That is a very vague word. There's sl***y, w****-ish, and then there's what Samus is: powerful, driven, and determined.

I think that DOA is sexist and offensive to woman. However, I think Samus is a perfection human example of a realistic women in action. She's not overly sexual, but that doesn't mean she's not sexy. She's just her natural self. Peach on the other hand, is much like a deity in Mario, lulz. Think about it: Bowser is a devil, Peach a deity, or some representation of all things good. Peach never does anything wrong in the canon Mario games, always is justified, and never is mean.

Edit: Mega Man for Brawl HyperFalcon=??? Maybe a mod of the game... or something... >.>

But yeah-Mega Man for Smash Bros. Wii U, Smash Bros. 3DS, ULtimate MvC3, Tekken X Street Fighter, Street Fighter X Tekken, Super Mega Limited Edition MvC: Championship Hyper Turbo HD 3D Plasma Giant Remix, and any future Capcom Vs titles and Super Smash Bros. games after that.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

@Shortie: No, some people have preferences and don't like "sexy". You're making an untrue blanket statement to protect "fanservice". Not everybody likes it. I know asexual people who think sexy stuff is great. Which also proves your point wrong. It's simply your opinion that sexy is acceptable to people who aren't asexual. I don't like fanservice for no good reason. I sure is hell ain't asexual.

With that said, moving on.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you even know what asexual is?!

free from or unaffected by sexuality: ex., an asexual friendship.

Oh, that's rich. Keep putting your foot in your mouth, bro.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, she's pretty mean in Super Princess Peach(if you consider it canon). She has an anger-based ability.

Anyway, when I say "sexy", I mean made to appeal to people to "turn them on". Or in other words, pretty much fanservice or sexualized. And I agree. DOA's a fun game to play, but is definitely offensive.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Shortshorts.

@HyperFalcon: Rare made the word asexual. Do some research.

@---: And I'm guessing you are... right.

 

[y.toonlink]

@John
haha underestimated it is

With all the DashDanching, Wavedashing and Shield tactics, the controls should be a little more comfortable if there ever is a GCC for Wii U (and there better be). Maybe make the shoulder buttons triggers or have a less fragile feel and hopefully no slidepad, just a good old joystick. I've heard that wireless can bring problems to tourneys so maybe a US port if there really will be no GC ports

Jeez, I wonder if it'll be a little hard to control Sonic from there. He might as well walk when chaining combos haha I still think his Dair should be Bounce Attack if his falling mechanic ever returned for his Spring. Although Bounce Attack could actually bounce and bring in nice combos.

Yup, not gigantic like Giga Bowser lol, just his strengths which include that FSmash. I dunno if they're going to use the dark FTilt or the ice Up B. Basically Bowser's finally a beast in SSB. His Koopa Claw had more potential than the thing in Brawl. In fact they should mix it in a way (how I'm makin it).
I can't wait to start putting up my ideas for Mewtwo. Less "I AM MEWTWO *tail whip yea"
--- might like to hear that I'm implementing the Spoon Staff :D
Hopefully Team Ninja doesn't go any further in making Samus look less badass. It's such a shame.

damn my pc lagged like crazy

...you either have to be gay or have some weird standards to not have some sort of appeal for Samus

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh, that's rich. Keep putting your foot in your mouth, bro.

Smooth Criminal

Smooth stop defining your relationship with everyone on here but me, k=???

@ Oasis
That video... creepy... >.>

@ y.toonlink
I think a lot of (competitive) smash bros players will end up using a traditional fighting game pad. But yeah-the GCN controller is a great model. Just make it a tad bigger on the top, make two Z buttons (and make them more like the L and R buttons), make the L and R buttons smaller, the B button slightly bigger, the A button slightly bigger, add a select button, and make the control pad bigger, as well as possibly the C-stick.

I wonder what a broken or super fast Sonic would look like in Brawl, lol. Overall I think a faster Sonic would be harder to control, but both casual and competitive players would LOOOVEEEE the feel of being ridiculously fast. In Brawl, Sonic was definitely fast. Now he needs to be like super hyper turbo classic Sonic fast.

Bowser's up B is good as it is (except it needs to seriously either stun more or have way more hit back). His down B needs to suck foes in, and have less after vulnerable frames (it also needs to kill earlier).

Yeah Mewtwo needs to be all psychic all the time. He needs to play like a deity, just like Bowser, Ganondorf, and other giant villains (K. Rool and Ridley=???). You need to feel cocky, unstoppable, and God-like when you play as one of those heavyweight villains! *insert evil laugh here*

And tail whip can stay... it just needs to not go through you, and be a setup kill move. Also, Shadow Ball shouldn't make Mewtwo go the opposite way, his side B needs to be a combo setup move (that or it needs to be like Tri Beam or some super psychic blast), and his down B needs to be a setup (late) kill move. Dang it, I hate not seeing Mewtwo reach his true potential...

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Smooth stop defining your relationship with everyone on here but me, k=???

You're an OG, tho'.



Smooth Criminal

 

[Johnknight1]

You're an OG, tho'.



Smooth Criminal

LMAO you bet I am. I've killed more men than I can count, and robbed tons of money from even more. I am a true gangster!









Of course by men I mean goombas, koopas, and shy guys, and by tons of money I mean coins... and by gangster I mean plumber. But they're all the same thing, right=???

@ THEE one and only Mr. y.toonlink
Samus can be fearful, but she can't be timid. There's nothing wrong with her having a fear of Ridley, but she also has to have immense hatred for Ridley, and a want to destroy him (both out of revenge and for justice).

And on a random side note, players should be able to climb up ladders about 4 times faster, and you should be able to instantly slide down them to maneuver, or jump off them at any time. I hate how ladders in Brawl are basically worthless. They should give you the advantage of getting from point A to point B much quicker than jumping and almost as quickly as running. You should also be able to... I dunno attack while on a ladder. Maybe allow players to use their tilts while on a ladder. That and be able to instantly deattach to attack.

That way, ladders server a purpose that can actually add to the game, without leaving you vulnerable. I think that, if more offensive abilities are added to the ladder, and more defensive (avoiding attacks, maybe shielding) that ladders could actually be fun to fight on. Plus c'mon-we could then have money matches on all ladders games with no platforms. That would be mad money. Smooth and I could have a $5 MM all ladders, Falcon dittos, 3 stock, no items match. It's would be the new FD brah.

 

[Shorts]

Oh **** Oasis, I didn't know you were a HIGH END escourt. That's every *****'s dream.

Also, I was definitely talking about asexual as in the sexuality, not the type of relationship. I think it's like, less than 1% of the population is even asexual. I'VE MET ONE. He was a jerk.

Anyways, Smash. Yes. I think some characters should have unique entrances together.

Like Mario vs. Bowser

Or Link and Zelda/Sheik vs. Ganondorf

SOMETHING like that.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Shortie: That's what I was referring to as well. One of the woman I know(although online) is asexual, but makes tons of breast jokes as well. Odd thing, that.(in fact, she does it more than anyone)

I'd love for unique entrances too. On a team? Why not combine their entrance into something cool. Mario and Luigi could come out in a pipe.

 

[augustoflores]

Okay ladies and gents (are there any ladies in this b****? anyways, anyways...)

Wii U supports more than one Wii U controller

Apparently there was a misconception when they said that the system will come with one Wii U controller.
Here's what Nintendo had to say:

“Let me correct something that is a misconception. We said that the Wii U system will come with one Wii U controller, but we haven’t said that you can only use one Wii U controller. The fact is that if the developer makes a game or an experience that uses more than one, then anything is possible.”

Source: Examiner.

has anyone heard of this? this was posted in August 9... i just got wind of it...

SO!!! now that you know that everyone can game with the tablet at the same time, what will you do to the gameplay in terms of the tablet screen? will you just use it as a visual for various amenities? would you incorporate gameplay into touching?

... this post should be stickied... i feel like the bigger names might not read this... that is, if they don't already know about it.

 

[Oasis_S]

SO!!! now that you know that everyone can game with the tablet at the same time, what will you do to the gameplay in terms of the tablet screen? will you just use it as a visual for various amenities? would you incorporate gameplay into touching?

You just want to touch Medusa. Weirdo.

 

[augustoflores]

you know it!!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If we can indeed use Two Tablets, that'll help with tournaments. Albeit, I think the Classic Controller/Plus will be easier to work with, but I've used it before, so eh. As long as the Control Stick is more like the Wii's, that is, not a nub. Those are much harder to use. Your thumb easily slips after a while. Since you can't grip it well enough.

 

[Starphoenix]

Just because a technology CAN be implemented does not mean it will be. The Wii is theoretically able to do a lot of things, but they have seldom been done, if at all. Most games will only utilize one tablet as that is what will be the most available to the largest audience.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, more than one multiplayer game can benefit from it. Any game with stats, like Madden would be best with two tablets.

And they probably will. They know players like multiplayer, so the best options should be available.

 

[Berserker.]

@Augusto: FINALLY

 

[Starphoenix]

Actually, more than one multiplayer game can benefit from it. Any game with stats, like Madden would be best with two tablets.

And they probably will. They know players like multiplayer, so the best options should be available.

Not likely. The one thing that is true is that Nintendo has stated the Wii U tablets will not be sold individually. What this means is having another tablet will require someone else already owning a Wii U console.

Do not forget, the Wii U can still use Wiimotes. For at least the first couple of years I expect there to remain a heavy reliance on Wiimotes as a great deal of people purchasing Wii U consoles likely own a Wii. Meaning many will have access to Wiimotes, and to a lesser extent Classic Controllers.

 

[Shorts]

I hope I don't break my tablet then.... I plan on getting the Wii U ASAP. Which is weird because the only things I'm ASAP on ae usually Pokemon games, and SSB games. (Well, Brawl) But lately a lot of games have been peaking my interest. (I bought Kirby RTDR ASAP, and pre-ordered LoZSS and a 3DS). Nintendo is just making me hapy I guess.

Also, do you think the Wii U will be as big as the Wii was?