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I think it'll return to form (to a lesser extend) if Geno is playable in Fortune Street, but I am doubting it. Ironically enough, I think this is Geno's best shot at a roster (he has practically none in Brawl) due to his famous Brawl cult. Personally, if the Geno Alliance was revived, I would be part of it, even knowing his poor odds.Johnknight1 said:
So you're saying that the Geno support group will continue to live over the years until in the small chance he gets in?
I think the first one would be the best, since it feels the most like what you expect in Smash.
I wasn't, sorry if it seemed like I did. That wasn't a pic of him you posted so I thought you didn't know.
Sorry again. It didn't look like him.
Yes, but I wasn't saying the down air was iconic. I was saying that even the most iconic video game character of all-time, Mario, has had his move set tweaked before. So why should Link be immune to this=???
Discounting the handheld games and the pre-3D console games, here's the scoreboard:
Well you can't get through the Legend of Zelda without a candle either. Heck, I think the candle was more important. It burned through walls, burned enemies, and lighted up a room so you could see everything.
Link also has the hammer (which is more often recognized with him thanks to Ocarina of Time), the chain and ball, and now a whip. Why can't those replace current moves=???
I gotta say I think Bowser Jr. has better odds than Toad... and I kinda want Toad maybe a bit more. Maybe. It's pretty close in my mind.
I don't think Geno needs to be playable in Fortunate Street. All he needs is more hype. Smash is running out of popular retro characters, and he's one of the few left.
Oh my God he was. I hated him as a boss. Waste. of. time.
Gravity Man.Exe sucked period. XP
I agree with you. The only thing I can really say about Paper Mario is that I'd take him over Doc. That's about it.
He didn't lose any of his iconic moves. That's the difference. They're still there. There's no point in using that example.
Hold up, buddy. You can't discount the Handhelds. Those count too.
You can beat the game without the Candle. None of that was needed. You can use the Magic Rod the same way as the Candle. It's just harder. And the Ice Beam and Plasma Beam apparently didn't have room. They could be added in too. Metroid's not big in Japan, so thinking about more additions seems to not be one of his priorities. Also, the Charge Shot, Missiles, etc all are important to the character anyway.
The Whip can be a Throw. And that was in the DS Game, can go to Toon Link easily. As for the Hammer and Chain and Ball. Explain why they can't work as Smash attacks?
Why remove his most iconic specials then?
Bombs don't suck. They never did. Very few people want Link's regular move set changed, as it fits him perfectly. It's Toon Link that's gotten heat for being a clone. They need to change him. Also, explain to me why the Bomb Arrows are needed? Especially since they might not show up in Skyward Sword, meaning it's a useless idea. Would've been cool in Brawl, though. Too bad they stuck with his classic Specials(which are fine the way they are, except perhaps the Bow, as it really isn't that good).
Melee made me love Doc, I can't say I would want a clone PM over a clone Doc.
) about Toad, I guess that leaves Junior, but I hardly expect him. So then how about no new Mario characters.
Gravity Man classic was awesome.Gravity Man.Exe sucked period. XP
Gravity Man (Classic) = EPIC
Although I really enjoyed BN5, or at least the Double Team version if you're talking about the GBA versions.
Agreed/Disagree - MM should get Gravity Hold as his U-Throw.
The Paper Mario series has sold what? 10 million plus units. Plus c'mon: he's Mario, and he could be original. Everyone loves Mario. More (original) Mario... more popularity for smash bros.
BKupa made a good one.
@avatar:... meh.
Idk I mean honestly I did use Doc more than regular Mario but I feel PM could possibly be more of a doofy variant as opposed to just him in Doctor's attire. Just me though.
Yes, but an iconic characters lost a move. Again, Link's iconic weapon-is the Master Sword. Beyond that, he has all kinds of weapons in each Zelda game. His bombs, boomerang, and bow and arrow aren't his only "iconic" secondary weapons.
Well I can count the console games as more... influential because they sell more. Heck, every console Zelda game has probably outsold every handheld Zelda game... maybe Zelda II aside.
You have to burn through stuff with the candle. That's how you enter the 8th dungeon. There's like what? 20-30 something weapons needed to enter or get through a Zelda dungeon in the series=??? Why are just the Master Sword, the Hylian Shield, the hook shot, bombs, boomerang, and bow and arrow the iconic weapons=???
Exactly. He could use nearly every Zelda side weapon as an attack. His whip could be his grab and neutral air. His hook shot could be his Z-air. His ball and chain used to sweep foes as his down smash. His hammer as his forward smash. His up smash could be a stab that fires up a sword beam.
His only iconic weapon are his Master Sword and Hylian/Mirror Shield IMO. That's what I think of with Link. A blonde, blue-eyed guy in a green tunic and fairy hat, the Master Sword, a Hylian/Mirror Shield, and a crap ton of rupees and random items.
I didn't want Mario changed, but he was changed. He had a somewhat effective down air, especially in smash 64.
That's actually a good moveset. I like it.
Love those MM remixes.
In how I meant to define professional in the question, I meant people who make a living composing and/or remixing game music. I was thinking along the lines of game composers, so Stemage probably fall outside that definition. Sorry for being unclear.
I think it's kind of funny that some people are so sure that Mario will get a fifth character (maybe even a sixth?!?!?!) when people felt the exact same way for Brawl, YET WE GOT NOTHING. "It's Nintendo's biggest franchise!" really doesn't mean a whole lot when all the most recognizable characters are already in. Brawl actually REMOVED one, lol. Unless you want to say Wario replaced Doc. :V But if one says that, then one should also accept King K. Rool or Dixie as the new "Mario" character.
No it isn't. That weapon does not exist in nearly as many games as the Bombs, Arrows, and the Boomerang. Do the research. The Master Sword didn't appear to ALttP, is in OoT, both Oracle games, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess. The other 3 are in quite a lot more games. It's just his most iconic SWORD. Not his most iconic weapon. Hell, the Mirror Shield appeared nearly as much. And yes, they're the most used items. So they are the most iconic. All the other items are used quite a bit less.
You cannot say this as fact. Sakurai has not mentioned this at all. This has no bearing on Link in Smash. Likewise, the best argument this brings up is that the Bomb Arrow wouldn't fit either. Because it's only in one game, according to you.
He's Young Link in the handhelds. Which use the same style as the original. Note how the Trophies say that Young Link was supposedly in the first Zelda game, not Adult Link. Which means the best fact according to Sakurai is that Young Link is more known. Also, the accepted ages have been between 10-12 and 17-19. None of those numbers were exact.The console games definitely hold more weight. And even in the handhelds, Link is draw up as a older teenager who looks about 16 years old. If memory serves me correctly, Toon Link is 13, adult Link should be at least 19. That's kind of that awkward in between character that we can't really clarify if you think about it!
You get the Magic Wand in the 6th, and Book in the 7th. And why are they? Because they're the most used and well known. The Hookshot kept getting replacements and upgrades. You can't say they aren't iconic when they are. They keep appearing, so they're iconic. That's kind of how it works.
Only the Hammer was in a ton of games. The bottle was a taunt for Young Link. And how can they be iconic outside of the Hammer, when they use DIFFERENT instruments. The only iconic thing about them is Link likes to use instruments. Explain how the music will affect gameplay outside of maybe something like Jigglypuff's Sing? Which is not much she has anyway. Also, most of those items are one-shots. Or barely appeared. That's why they're not nearly as iconic.
I already explained this. It's not as popular in Japan, so it's not looked into as much. Also, please explain a way to incorporate them into the moveset without changing the B Moves, which happen to work fine.
Sounds great for Young Link. Link is the main character overall, so he should use his most iconic items. Bow, Bomb, Arrow. Spin Attack is his most used technique that translates well into Smash.
In your opinion. Too bad when people talk about Link's best items, they know the Bombs, Bow, and Boomerang are brought up for a reason. They're in nearly every game. Which is funny, because the Master Sword and Hylian/Mirror Shield aren't. The Master Sword has been replaced mutliple times. The Bombs and Boomerang never were, just upgraded. Why is this?
A made up move. Changing it isn't a big deal due to nobody recognizing it outside of Smash. This is a notable thing. He never had it before. Not Iconic.
Link keeps most of his moveset, including his B Moves, but his A Moves need changing. Including buffs and a better jump.
That's a horrible reason to change most of his moves. His B moves weren't the reason he didn't do well. It was his weight, jump, slowness, and not very good A Moves. Change the part that's a problem. Young Link/Toon Link, on the other hand, it's a clone with better stats overall. He can change heavily with different B Moves. Those are apparently what people think makes others a clone. Why should Link change his B Moves when Toon Link is the one copying him? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Well they do have a point, heck on the blog character list thing we have in the backroom there is no realistic Mario character listed at all. So they do have a point IMO.
Yeah, I never owned it, but I played it. I liked the added non-mini game boss missions, and the Liberation Missions.
I got dibs on starting the Mario newcomer representative war!
Paper Mario could use items Mario doesn't. He also, unlike Toad and Bowser Jr. fights often.
I'm pretty sure I've been hearing Ridley isn't in too much of a demand in Japan. At least ChronoBound has been hammering the idea that he'll need to be carried by Western support.
Yeah, I think metroid stuff is more just "Yeah! Lets have more metroid stuff!" Not really Ridley. I can go fetch Toise and Chrono's stuff from the SSB4 discussion group if you like?
Paper Mario has been out forever, what are you looking for? I micro phase of a fan surge? He is well established IMO, and a new game may bring new fans, but it's not like he's being revived from thedead in any sense. If he had a lot of fans in Japan, they would already be there.
Probably wouldn't hurt to post them again. You're talking about the little peeks into the Japanese Smash community, right?
