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Not to mention B&K are kinda irrelevant now, seeing how Rare's been doing terribly lately. If they were still 2nd party to Nintendo, then yeah, I could see them happening. But where it stands now we have a better chance getting Master Chief, and that's not saying much.
How so? Neither will come to Smash, but Banjo-Kazooie has at least been on Nintendo systems.
They could be on the 3DS version. Microsoft doesn't own the rights to B&K for handhelds.
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Well, master chief is more recognizable today, and B&K hasn't seen a hit a long time now. Nuts and Bolts was a huge disappointment from what I heard. And since Rare is now owned by Microsoft, it doesn't really matter where their first games appeared in Nintendo consoles before: they still have to pay for the rights to use the characters. And forking out money for somewhat forgotten characters just seem like a bad investment to me (I really doubt Microsoft will come cheap and Nintendo will be willing to beg for them).
They were 2nd party, meaning that they were a company owned by Nintendo and developed exclusively for Nintendo. Just like Retro Studios is now.
I think HAL is still 2nd party. Sakurai just left.
People have mentioned B-K a few days ago. O_o
Thanks for that.
Yeah this since it is a requirement for the character to appear on a Nintendo console before they get in.
They are a 2nd party, like right now.
Yes they do.
what hasn't been mentioned in the last few days in this thread :s
Yes, but they still have to pay for the rights. I think that the likes of Sonic and Megaman will come in priority then Banjo at this point (Yes, they have to pay for Sonic again, this is a new game after all).
No you're right, however lets not start now. : P
If that's the case, then if Rare stayed with Nintendo/Nintendo didn't sell Rare we could have seen Banjo in Melee, and Grunty/Mumbo in Brawl xP How strange. By Brawl we could have had three Banjo characters. I think that's crazy. Hopefully Retro gets it's hands on some new IP that makes us go "Banjo who?"They are a 2nd party, like right now.
Just play Jump Ultimate Stars.
We haven't talked about potential new modes for multi-player IIRC.
This is actually the first time I've seen Naruto mentioned in this thread. Knew it was going to happen, thought.
Now let's leave it at this comment. "4th parties" are terrible topics. Always.Just play Jump Ultimate Stars.
Actually Rare was still 2nd party to Nintendo when Melee came out. The reason why they weren't included eludes me.
I don't care much about Naruto lol. I've always found it funny that someone would want Naruto in Smash.Just play Jump Ultimate Stars.
Probably because Nintendo didn't own the characters, and are only going to throw them in if they do. Otherwise, they would at least have had a trophy.
But they still needed to contact them to use DK's model. Remember, Rare created DKC's 3D models on the SNES and they owned them for quite a while. Just take a look at Smash 64 and Melee's credits toward's the end of the roll. Rare gets credited for DK.
Which is why we will never see them unfortunately, unless hell freezes over and Microsoft becomes extremely generous.
Would have been funny to see Kazooie come out every time you ran.
Me too, honestly that's absolutely insane. Banjo Twooie(Sp?) was one of the most sold N64 games ever. Do we know the exact year they left Nintendo? I know Banjo Threeie was shown in 2000 as a tech Demo, but they were sold before/during production. Maybe HAL/Sakurai already knew what was going on.
Well did Nintendo own Kirby? I thought he was owned by HAL, making him a second party character. Just like Banjo. . ? Right?
And if Banjo and his friends had been in Melee, do you think that Nintendo may have tried to keep the franchises represented? Donkey Kong and Star Fox had games developed by Rare and they stayed with Nintendo.
They probably had to use assets from Rare, asked for them, used them, and then credited them. Also, DK, and the characters in his games belonged to Nintendo then, as they do now. BK and other Rare properties, clearly didn't though.
Possibly, but I'm guessing that Banjo is a different case than those two. If everything went to plan Banjo would have had Threeie and possibly a Wii game maybe? I think that's enough to try and give him two characters. Banjo and Grunty?
According to Wikipedia, HAL's first party.
I swear at one point HAL was a second party, and Kirby was. I could be very wrong though.
Actually, the artworks are positioned incorrectly. They're supposed to look like the following...
I'm not sure but I did remember Rare saying that they had a ton of trophies in Melee that were removed before the game shipped. All that was left was the motion sensing bomb and the cloaking device.
I'm pretty sure this is the case too. Maybe Wikipedia is wrong?
I'm sure it isn't, but even so I still think at one point this was the case.
Hey wait your turn! We're talking about Rare right now, we'll get back to the Toad/Bowser Jr debacle in a little bit.Why do people keep denying Toads chances of getting in? He's way more likely than Bowser jr. or even a third party ugh as Megaman.
He is a cool character but unfortunately he is also generic enemy character so the only hope for him would be to be a enemy in adventure mode.I have another idea for a character: Bandit from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. I think he'd be cool. This would be his moveset:
Neutral Special: Steal
Description: Bandit attempts to steal something from his opponent. If he gets a coin, he recovers a bit of 1 HP. If he gets a red coin, he recovers 5 HP. The chance of getting a red coin doesn't happen quite often.
Side Special: Watermelon
Description: Bandit eats a watermelon. The longer you hold the B Button, the more times he can use the projectile before having to eat more. He can't eat while airborne, but can fire projectiles in the air if he's got them. The projectile is different depending on which watermelon he eats. The seeds can be shot continuously. Bandit should flash white if it was a normal watermelon, red if it were a fire watermelon, and blue if it were an ice watermelon.
Up Special: Balloon
Description: Bandit take out a balloon and uses it to rise. It only does damage when it pops. The pop does medium damage and medium knockback.
Down Special: Bandit Bomb
Description: This works two ways: 1. For the ground one, loop frame 4 until he reaches the height of his jump: loop frame 8 until he hits the ground, then play the land. 2. For the air one, loop frame 5 until he hits the ground.
Final Smash- Bandit Balloon
Description: Bandit calls up to three other bandits to carry all the other players to a spot in front of Bandit, and Bandit throws a balloon. The Red Bandit chases P1, Blue chases P2, Yellow chases P3, Green chases P4. A series of six buttons appears in the command bar, and correctly pressing each one will make the balloon a little bigger. If an incorrect button is pressed or if time runs out, the balloon will stop growing and Bandit throws it. Use this video for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1t6fz0jh2o
Bandit would make a cool character. Also notice that I changed my avatar. He sure would. Any thoughts?
. But, that's possibly not gonna happen.
It's not that I don't like Toad. It's just that Bowser Jr. has had more mainstream fame than Toad nowadays. Plus, another antagonistic character is always good.Why do people keep denying Toads chances of getting in? He's way more likely than Bowser jr. or even a third party ugh as Megaman.
Eh, we just established that Banjo is now in a "what if" scenario, so I think the conversation is kinda done.Hey wait your turn! We're talking about Rare right now, we'll get back to the Toad/Bowser Jr debacle in a little bit.