I'm looking through the old SSB4 thread, and since this place is slow, I thought I could take my time and post some old gems I come across on this specific post.
Edits will be happening.
The thing about Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest is, they make up two of the four biggest franchises in Japan (the other two being Mario and Pokemon). Square-Enix to them is a really REALLY big deal. Any characters they have shouldn't be ignored.
On another similar note, Sakurai has mentioned that Mega Man has a lot of demand from the West. Most of us consider him the most likely third-party character, but I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Chocobo holds that honor in Japan.
@Wizzerd: Was that Chocobo & Slime idea mine or did you have that one for a while?
DQ and FF are pretty much on par with each other in Japan. FF has the edge in being considerably more popular worldwide.
From an international standpoint, it's clearly Final Fantasy. However, I don't know if that's the case in Japan, but DQ is notable for having a law stating that a new DQ game cannot be released on a weekday so people won't skip work/school to play it. Also, Dragon Quest basically started the RPG genre for videogames. At the same time, Final Fantasy popularized the genre and gave the genre mainstream presence with Final Fantasy VII.
[On Why Sonic got in] Because the Sonic fanboys won't STFU and spammed countless message boards since April Fools 2002.
When it comes to Ganon, another luigifcation is all that's really needed. Change up a couple of his regular moves, and add in a new special or two, and you've pretty much got a non-clone there. In any case, at the time of Melee, I think that Ganon only had about one real appearance, so its actually somewhat logical that he turned out the way he did. Plus, there is the fact that he was last minnute at the time. In all, the only thing I really want to see redone with his moveset is him having the magical rebound ball as one of his specials.
- ToiseOfChoice 1-2 KumaOso 3 Arcadenik 4 Pieman 5
(September, 2009)
Intersting post about characters, by Toise
[COLLAPSE="Continuation of said post"]Toad > Bowser Jr.
Toad has a longer history and doesn't have a good chunk of the fans hating him (also did really well on the Melee poll of all things). Bowser Jr. has a more active role in the games he appears in. The thing is, this could go either way since neither of them come off as particularly strong candidates (both are on my "might not even belong" list). We've got two Mario games coming out to give us more insight on this thankfully.
Dr. Mario > Paper Mario [alt costumes]
I believe a few things: one, any other version of Mario is only worth an alt costume at best. Two, no character will ever have more than one alt costume, if that. Three, Dr. Mario is the better choice. The model is way easier to make, it's a callback to Melee, and it's more popular than Paper Mario.
King K. Rool > Dixie Kong
K. Rool being the main villian of the series, whereas Dixie is kinda taking a backseat to DK and Diddy (except in stuff like Diddy Kong Racing and Mario spinoffs). Then again, Dixie had been planned to pair up with Diddy in Brawl, so Sakurai might come back to her in some form.
Kamek
Rhymes with Kamek. I'd actually prefer they just make him an AT and have him pop up a bunch in adventure mode.
Mona > Captain Syrup > Jimmy T.
Debatable between the first two since in a way, they're from seperate series (even though they're both Wario). Mona seemingly has the edge based on the shaft Wario Land got in Brawl, but Shake It may have changed that. Jimmy T. is clearly in 3rd and might not even belong on the list at all. Either way he won't be in SSB4.
Tingle
The thing about Tingle is that he's not really important to the Zelda series itself, but to his own spinoff games. I'm of the belief that he'd get a little rupee icon next to his name. For the record, I don't consider Toon Zelda/Sheik as seriously important.
Ridley
The baddest dude in town.
Krystal
The last important Star Fox character, no competition.
Mewtwo? = Future Pokemon?
Roy? = Future FE Lord?
I'm gonna be honest, I can't make any conclusion here. There's a LOT to consider for these two series. Does Sakurai intend to cycle in and out the latest characters? Does he care about the ones he got rid of? What about the fans? What about Ike and Lucario?
There's a lot of ways to interpret what'll happen, but the only thing I'm confident about is that we won't see any other currently existing characters from these two series. No Deoxys, no Sigurd, no Darkrai, no Micaiah. Their chance came and went.
I personally think he'll just bring back Mewtwo and Roy and consider adding a new character to each series. It seems like he just wants to add a new character from each series on top of all the previous ones. I figure that since Jigglypuff is still around long after her moment of glory, Ness is still around despite Lucas being planned to replace him, and both were intended to be in Brawl. Plus, you know, Mewtwo was supposed to be in 64 so Sakurai clearly has a thing for him, and the localization team almost took Roy without Marth in Melee (then decided to bring Marth since it didn't make sense to have one and not the other). They're also both really popular.
Anyway, these two are still up in the air for now.
Samurai Goroh > Black Shadow > Jody Summer
Samurai Goroh has been around since the SNES game and has always been played up as the rival to Captain Falcon. Given how prominent he is in F-Zero and even in Smash, he's the obvious choice. Black Shadow is the main villian (though this wasn't established until GX), he's a very big presence in the series, blah blah blah. Me and Pieman have been discussing Jody for the last few days so you can check my posts for more on her. Also keep in mind this basically states that Jody won't be in SSB4.
Porky > Claus
Tricked! Yeah, I do think Porky is more likely. More presence in the games and in Brawl. Considering he has a relation to both Ness and Lucas (as opposed to Claus, where it's just Lucas) as a primary antagonist, I really can't see any reason why Claus would get in over him. Keep in mind I personally prefer Claus; this is really just a "all signs point to Porky" kind of thing. And yes, the EB mech works fine, it's probably not much different than Bowser in size and shape.
I'm not gonna mention characters I left out in this post, but I'll discuss them after this one if you want.
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