NEW Samus Tech: The Low Charge Shot (LCS)

[ewic]

Hey fellow Samus users, I recently discovered this tech with Samus. I haven't seen anyone else use it, nor have I seen videos or tutorials on what it is, so I'm pretty sure it's new.

Either way, I made a video about it on YouTube. I haven't really spent a good deal of time with it yet to get good at it, but I'm sure it could come in handy from time to time. Nothing ground-breaking, but it's another trick you can add to your arsenal.

Thanks!

 

[VirisKnite]

You might be able to get it bit lower if you do a backwards sh, the one where she does a (multi?)backflip.

 

[ewic]

I'm pretty sure that's as low as you can go, as displayed in the video, but I'll definitely take your suggestion in consideration and try it out! Backwards sh are tricky lol, I always forget about them. If it does let you go lower, I'll make a new video with that included.

 

[tha_carter]

LOL, good.... find.

But why not just use a homing missle....

 

[Z1GMA]

Reminds me of Link's arrow cancel somewhat o_-

 

[Orichalcum]

useless? 12345678

 

[0RLY]

Homing missiles cancel upon landing, you should know this by now.

@ "Tech": If this works with a charged shot, cool. Otherwise, you might as well use that half second you used to short hop to charge your beam up two levels and use that to hit your crawling foe. It's not like crawling is the fastest thing in the world, so I don't see much use for this other than surprising your foe with *gasp* 3%.

 

[ewic]

Lol yeah I know, it is kind of useless, but I just wanted to share what I found with you guys.

 

[MRS1]

I like this a lot! I just know I'll find some little use for this on an unsuspecting enemy. I find I have to play as situational as possible with Samus.

 

[Koji123]

Meh, I like it!

 

[Shack]

useful, but isnt it basically the same as the missile cancel? It causes u to shoot lower cuz the way u land or something/

 

[VirisKnite]

@shack not like missile cancel since it doesn't cancel any lag, like missile cancel that you have to time at the right time before landing to get desired lowness (is that a word?).

 

[Z1GMA]

When is this useful?

 

[VirisKnite]

Probably never, unless someone really likes to spam crouching, although guess it can be used every now and then as a surprise to mix things up a bit.

 

[0RLY]

Yeah, this isn't gamebreaking. People you play against probably aren't even going to notice.

 

[KingChaos]

I have found this to be very useful on aggresive pikas since he is so fast and small just pop him with one of these to make him go wtf xD.Since he has a pretty quick crawl i have probs just tryin to missle cancle him.

 

[i1337]

great find

 

[Jasona]

i read the title and wondered if this was about stopping just before fully charging a shot or firing a charge shot low by jumping off the ledge. only one way i can actually make use of this tech. similar to my tactics for changing the height of the smash missile in melee. fire it low, knowing the person will try to reflect it and SH over the reflection more effortlessly than i'd normally.
there is one other way for me to use this. similar to firing high to strike someones head through a worn shield. fire low to hit protruding feet. plus, they may decide to duck a high shot. as long as i'm not hitting the center of the shield, its all good

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

This technique would be a decent intercepter for players that like to jump alot, such as me. once they land you can surprise them by a LCS. Nice find mate

 

[Hive]

I guess at first I thought this technique was pretty useless... but actually the other day I was playing an Ivysaur on FD
I was about mid-level, and Ivysaur was on the ledge... anyways, I had a fully charged charge shot stored up and I was planning on shorthopping it and hitting him with it as he was returning to the platform...
however something really kwl happened, instead I had accidentally shot it as a low charge shot while Ivysaur was hanging... and I had misjudged when he would come up.... he stalled for a sec and when he saw me fire the beam instead of coming up he waited for it to pass... however the charge shot was still low enough that it actually hit his hands while he was hanging, and ended up stocking him...

it was pretty kwl! Though in training mode I had a hard time pulling it off again :/

 

[VirisKnite]

Wait you pulled it off with it fully charged? How'd you do that? I never noticed any differences when I tried it with a charged shot.

 

[Hive]

that's what I thought too, but even ask pokemontrainerIrl... it was his ivy's fingers on the receiving end
it was pretty kwl... but when I tried to reproduce it in training I couldn't reproduce it... i only tried for 5 minutes though... so I need to work on it more...

 

[VirisKnite]

Ah yes this must be looked into more. Did any of the cs look like it was beneath the stage? If so how much? Can you remember anything about the timing, or was it wifi? I think the first time I tried the uncharged lcs was in the waiting room in wifi with the sandbag.

 

[Hive]

it was lower than a charge shot is normally, but not by much, however it turns out that even the little difference made a huge difference on ledgeguarding.
It wasn't on wifi, I don't do wifi. I wish I could remember more on the timing, but it came sorta as a surprise...

 

[Hive]

I just did it again in training mode ^^ hitting toon link off the ledge.... (a regular charge shot just flies over)
its performed exactly like the uncharged lcs, except I think the timing is a bit* different and I think you start firing the beam just a tad earlier. The timing is pretty difficult, but there is a small difference in the heights which will become apparent if you have a cpu hanging from the ledge in training, i.e. one will hit and one will not...

edit: not sure how useful this will be in the future though... but its good to know options...

 

[Astrokirby]

Nice find Hive, I'll have find a way to perfect it to kill dem edgeguarders. >: D

 

[MRS1]

This is dope! Finally a good way to kill with the charge shot. I tried pulling off some low charged shots too but didnt think of this use. I hope I can get it to work consistently.

 

[VirisKnite]

Kewl stuff, more ledgeguard options are never a bad thing.

 

[Crystanium]

I have added this to my Samus guide in the Advanced Techniques, Discoveries, and Glitches section. And yes, ewic, I gave you credit for the discovery.

 

[VirisKnite]

psssh... I tried this back when Hylian made the thread about the usefulness of using the backflip jump. Lol, oh well, I don't really care. It is funny though at least to me X).

 

[Miles.]

that's what I thought too, but even ask pokemontrainerIrl... it was his ivy's fingers on the receiving end
it was pretty kwl... but when I tried to reproduce it in training I couldn't reproduce it... i only tried for 5 minutes though... so I need to work on it more...

Yeah it was pretty gay and really awesome at the same time.
I grabbed the ledge and was like "Nah Nah na na naaaa I am safe!!"
Low Fully Charged Shot pwned my face.
It hit me and KOed me. while I WAS ON THE LEDGE!!

Bull****...
I was like wtf.
Its gay that it happened when we werent recording.

So yeah,
NO WHERE IS SAFE FROM SAMUS' ****!!

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

I found out you can follow up with a d-tilt after you attempt the LCS when close to the opponent, A nice combo starter mate!

 

[Hive]

nice application fakeman ^^ I'll probably still use missile to dtilt in that situation though...
oh btw, with low full charged shot you will be able to see the main part of the orb drag a little beneath the ground...

 

[ewic]

Wow, Hive, that's a really good thing you found out, there! I knew the full charged Charge Shot could go kinda through the ground, like if you time it just right, off to the side of the stage, but I didn't know it could be utilized with the LCS. I should totally try it out with the fully charged Charge Shot then. Lol, I didn't experiment enough with it, it seems. If it can hit people hanging, that's awesome, it'll get everyone by surprise. Heck, I hang and wait for other Samus users to waste their fully charged Charge Shot sometimes.

I'm so glad someone expanded on what the premises I gave, which, were kinda useless, but then again some of you guys seem to have made some use of it, so there you go. ^_^

I should make another video with various levels of charging with the Charge Shot, using LCS and giving an example of using Hive's discovery by showing a new way to kill those ledge grabbers. I'll give credit to you for that, Hive, definitely.

P.S. Thanks Dryn!

 

[Aran]

I was trying it today in training mode for around 5-10 minutes. I pulled it off once with a fully charged shot. Unfortunately, I was on autopilot mode, and wasn't really paying attention, so I'm not sure if I did anything different that time, but I did see that the orb was visibly lower than it normally is. Wasn't able to replicate it after that though :/, so unless we find a reliable way of doing this, I'm not sure how we can apply it.

 

[Hive]

actually I've become fairly consistent at doing it (I still really haven't practiced it too much though...)... its basically like the uncharged lcs, but as with most techs, needs to be practiced...
You can definitely learn to do it consistently though... I don't think the timing is too extreme... its not super wavedash or draconic trot or anything ^^

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

The LCS amazes me everytime, I was just playing around with it until I thought if this could hit people holding on the edge and it did! The technique definatelly has potential! Try it yourself, if you ever come across edgehog addicts.

 

[ewic]

@_@ Wow, I will Mr.Fakeman, I'll try it out right now, actually.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

Did it work? one more thing, it might or might not work on some characters, just keep trying.

 

[Hive]

I thought it worked on everyone? Do some character grab below the ledge?