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new Marth vs fastfaller trick

Mew2King

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if you're marth vs fox (around mid/high or high %) and you wanna up throw Dair them at the edge (no DI on the up throw meaning do it quickly), but you aren't close enough to the edge for the Dair to spike, then just up throw them and full jump Fair (it will hit them backwards), then either double jump backwards and Dair or just fall backwards and Dair (depends on %). I wish I figured this out sooner, I was randomly playing melee for the first time in a long while and I randomly thought of it.


you could also bair into spike, but this one looks way cooler and works to a much longer % range (whatever that range may be)


another really old trick I use often is to just F throw into spike (or F throw into down tilt) when grabbing is the best thing to do for a situation to end a combo, and you can combo grabs to spikes a lot.


also, down throw fox and wavedash off bair, DJ bair, and up B. (I usually down throw and dash off fair, or expect them to double jump sweet spot the edge and I down tilt it)


you can also CG falco to the edge at 0-6 and then down throw down tilt then dash off tipper Fair. If the tipper Fair hits and Falco DIs away (to try to jump backwards and illusion or jump early, it covers a lot of common options) you can merely edge hog and he'll die.
 

2-Tone

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good stuff. I'll try some of this out the next time I play. Seems pretty flashy, too. Oh yeah, duh, it's you. Of course it's flashy, heh.
 

TheManaLord

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Sounds pretty interesting. The dynamics of marths aerials are never ending. I absolutely love bair to dair, it's just a beautiful sequence of attacks.
 

Teczer0

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You guys probably wouldn't think marth is so cool looking if you played m2k in marth dittos for about half an hour >_<.

I know I don't :(.

Unless I'm comparing him to falco :laugh:
 

Teczer0

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LOL

m2k sandbags like ridiculous so not as bad as you think.

If he played me semi serious in say 20 marth dittos I would probably be 4 stocked in like 15-18 of them I'm giving myself the benefit of the doubt LOL :laugh:

I usually get like two or three stocked >_> not bad considering I don't actually main marth :laugh:
 

Jx31

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Ah, good to see more posts on the Marth forum, it's been kinda dead in here : /.

Btw, You need to come to the big GA tournament M2k, it just continues to grow! *points at sig*
 

LOL_Master

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that was a very good post jason, you did a wonderful job, also this trick was done by you a long time ago, you must've not payed attention/remembered
 

FingDIAHK

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Is there any way we could see a vid of this?

Oh, also COME TO THE TOURNEY IN JUNE!!!!!!!
 

Gian

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Can u show us a vid, ur typing confused me a little.. =P and pelase dont quit meele brawl sucks no competitive play...
Oh and i have a question ( i may know answer is no but..)... have any plans on coming to mexico meele tourny? (smash mex 5) thres great player around here but we never get to play the great players of usa....
 

IrArby

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I've forgotten how awesome f-tilt was. I just been doing the CPU walk up and f-tilt thing. I'll have to try this out though I don't play many foxes. I guess I get what your saying but a video would be good. I'm still enjoying the up-tilt to full jumped dair (on Yoshi's Story) in the Real KIngs Wear Tiarras vid.
 

AIDS

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so this is should only be avoidable if they DI forword?
and your predicting your close to the ledge, facing the cnter of the stage right?
 

Proverbs

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Which fastfallers does this work on? Just Fox and Falco, or does this work on people like Sheik and Falcon too?
 

ArcNatural

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Falcon is also a heavy character. Making it unlikely you can do this to him (too long in the throw lag). And I don't consider Sheik a fast faller. I think you can hit her with the fair though, if they don't jump out fast enough.
 

AIDS

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lo lsheik a fast faller, i guess peach is fastest of them all!
yeah looks like mainly space animals, but that is a huge chunk out of all smashers haha, like more then half play spacies.
 

Proverbs

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Eh. Sheik falls faster than other characters. She's not a Fox or Falco, but definitely not a Samus or Zelda.
 
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