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New Marth Player!! Me!
- Thread starter JonaDiaper
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undyinglight
Smash Journeyman
Work on your edgeguarding. Abuse that fair. Don't use Up-B onto the stage, as it will leave you quite vulnerable.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
i wasnt trying to use up b on the stage that time. twas an accident. but edgeguarding chessss does need work.
AIDS
Smash Lord
also post under JonaDiaper not JD is how it is stuposed to work, less laggy atacks such as Dair, Nair is ok not big amount of lag, Fair is the best arial for getting the aproach, try to stop rolling, it is the dumbest thing ever, you are ok just work on spacing and more consistant edge guarding, Dtilt helps a lot in that area.
practise wavedashing more to mindgame your aproach, this also is important with Falcon especally, Dashdance and wavedashing in a good mixture, and tech chase into anotther grab if you can instead of those Ftilts. but mainly a much better edge guard is needed.
practise wavedashing more to mindgame your aproach, this also is important with Falcon especally, Dashdance and wavedashing in a good mixture, and tech chase into anotther grab if you can instead of those Ftilts. but mainly a much better edge guard is needed.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
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bahamutz69
Smash Journeyman
i actually think nair is the best approach for marth :\
umm basically what everyone else has been saying, marth has a nack to edge guarding and once you lock it in, well we all no how deadly that is.
im not totally sure if u grabbed alot in that match but grabs are key for marth.
fair/nair for spacing also.
work on your mindgames with DDing and WDing
other than that, good stuff :]
umm basically what everyone else has been saying, marth has a nack to edge guarding and once you lock it in, well we all no how deadly that is.
im not totally sure if u grabbed alot in that match but grabs are key for marth.
fair/nair for spacing also.
work on your mindgames with DDing and WDing
other than that, good stuff :]
Roche_CL
Smash Journeyman
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don't do only Fsmash for your edgeguards, cause it's laggy, you make it predictable, and if you don't guess your opponent's recovery, you are finished edgeguarding, and that can't happen if you're marth
try mixing Ftilt, Dtilt, jab, those have little lag (im talking about second stock, because it seemed you did well on the 3rd stock with the Fsmashes xD)
try to attack with short hop single fairs sometimes, and as the other said, DD more
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try mixing Ftilt, Dtilt, jab, those have little lag (im talking about second stock, because it seemed you did well on the 3rd stock with the Fsmashes xD)
try to attack with short hop single fairs sometimes, and as the other said, DD more
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Proverbs
Smash Lord
Yeah, you've got some work to do. I saw inconsistent shorthopping and it seemed like the time you full jumped there was no real reason. It wasn't terribly often, but it didn't redeem some of the other things in your game.
You didn't really ever tech. That's a problem. You shouldn't be missing as many techs as you are. You just don't need to. It seems like you just haven't learned to tech. Do that.
And although someone said that n-air is the best approach for Marth, I disagree. N-air is better than f-air as an approach, but it's harder to space and time as it has two parts to the attack. So if you want something you can pull out on command, f-air is the best bet. However, n-air is good as an approach when closing large distances, or so my experience has been. I'm not a professional Marth, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I do have a bit more experience with him.
It seems like you're a decent smasher, but it's very obvious that you're not used to Marth.
You shouldn't be using Dolphin Slash onto the stage as was said earlier, but you did that several times. That just shows a lack of understanding of how to recover.
The only times you should be not sweetspotting the ledge are times when you need to. Sweetspotting isn't necessarily always the best option even though a lot of people make it out to be. There are lots of times when you have to land on the stage if you're playing against a good edgeguarder. Usually it's not as easy as just sweetspotting the ledge--they don't make it that easy for you.
Also, it seems like the aerials you're throwing are incredibly random. You'll just throw a u-air for the heck of it. Rely on f-airs, n-airs, and b-airs as your main arsenal for aerials. They are the ones you'll be using more often (in that order). U-airs and d-airs are more situational. You'll figure out more as you learn to play Marth when to use them.
I don't know everything about Marth, but it's clear you have a lot to work on.
One more thing, don't get cocky.
Anyway, let me end on a positive note: You are starting to learn how to use Marth, but you're only starting. Although you have a lot to work on, you are starting to get the hang of things. So my encouragement to you is this: Neither look at what you have and get cocky nor look at what you don't have and lose hope. What you want to do is see both at the same time and realize when you're making the gap between the two smaller. Be happy at the times when you are bridging the gap and disappointed in yourself when you're slacking in that. Aside from those times you should neither be satisfied or dissatisfied with where you are as Marth player.
Hope that helps and sorry if I was being harsh at all. I just want you to know what you can work on as opposed to keeping it a secret from you. And as everyone says, it's all experience. You'll learn more when you play Marth more. Oh, and check out videos of professionals and try to use some of their same techniques and incorporate them into your game. It can add another weapon in your arsenal that just may end up winning you a match.
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Bard
You didn't really ever tech. That's a problem. You shouldn't be missing as many techs as you are. You just don't need to. It seems like you just haven't learned to tech. Do that.
And although someone said that n-air is the best approach for Marth, I disagree. N-air is better than f-air as an approach, but it's harder to space and time as it has two parts to the attack. So if you want something you can pull out on command, f-air is the best bet. However, n-air is good as an approach when closing large distances, or so my experience has been. I'm not a professional Marth, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I do have a bit more experience with him.
It seems like you're a decent smasher, but it's very obvious that you're not used to Marth.
You shouldn't be using Dolphin Slash onto the stage as was said earlier, but you did that several times. That just shows a lack of understanding of how to recover.
The only times you should be not sweetspotting the ledge are times when you need to. Sweetspotting isn't necessarily always the best option even though a lot of people make it out to be. There are lots of times when you have to land on the stage if you're playing against a good edgeguarder. Usually it's not as easy as just sweetspotting the ledge--they don't make it that easy for you.
Also, it seems like the aerials you're throwing are incredibly random. You'll just throw a u-air for the heck of it. Rely on f-airs, n-airs, and b-airs as your main arsenal for aerials. They are the ones you'll be using more often (in that order). U-airs and d-airs are more situational. You'll figure out more as you learn to play Marth when to use them.
I don't know everything about Marth, but it's clear you have a lot to work on.
One more thing, don't get cocky.
Yeah...you want to realize in the big picture how good you actually are. A good way to do that is to play someone near or at professional level. Let me tell you, it's a pretty humbling experience.
Anyway, let me end on a positive note: You are starting to learn how to use Marth, but you're only starting. Although you have a lot to work on, you are starting to get the hang of things. So my encouragement to you is this: Neither look at what you have and get cocky nor look at what you don't have and lose hope. What you want to do is see both at the same time and realize when you're making the gap between the two smaller. Be happy at the times when you are bridging the gap and disappointed in yourself when you're slacking in that. Aside from those times you should neither be satisfied or dissatisfied with where you are as Marth player.
Hope that helps and sorry if I was being harsh at all. I just want you to know what you can work on as opposed to keeping it a secret from you. And as everyone says, it's all experience. You'll learn more when you play Marth more. Oh, and check out videos of professionals and try to use some of their same techniques and incorporate them into your game. It can add another weapon in your arsenal that just may end up winning you a match.
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Bard
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
that was amazing. your awesome. but i just play marth for the heck of it. i made this thread like along time ago. i just thought it would be nice to share the sexiest 0-death i had ever done. counter f smash f smash fsmash shield breakerrrr but yea, thanks for all that. and omg im christian too, and not just christian because i just say i am. good to know theres other christian smashers out there
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Wow, there really are more Christian smashers out there than I thought. Gimpy told me there was more than I'd expect, but I've seen a lot since I've been here. Heh.
Oh, and one more thing: Don't use upsmash until you've gotten a whole lot better with Marth. There are few times to use it and I'm still experimenting with when it actually comes in handy.
Oh, and one more thing: Don't use upsmash until you've gotten a whole lot better with Marth. There are few times to use it and I'm still experimenting with when it actually comes in handy.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
ive seen you and then theres gimpy and then theres AIDS who plays samus i believe but those are the only others ive seen.
oh wow AIDS posted in here. i think its him and his friend are christian
up smash is awesome. up throw with no DI = free up smash, what better
oh wow AIDS posted in here. i think its him and his friend are christian
up smash is awesome. up throw with no DI = free up smash, what better
Proverbs
Smash Lord
What better? Up-throw to u-tilt to u-air to f-air, and if there are platforms, to another f-air to spike. In some situations at least. Or f-throw to f-tilt to tech chase. Or f-throw to f-throw to f-tilt to tech chase. Or f-throw to f-smash if matched up against the right character and they don't DI properly. Or f-throw to f-throw to f-smash once again if they don't DI properly. There are a lot of better combos out of throws than just up throw to upsmash.
The only time I use upsmash is if they're not expecting it (which is almost all the time) and I can get them to hit the middle of the blade or so. If they do they end up going just far enough to land a tipped f-smash on them. Upsmash to f-smash is not common so you're likely to get it off on them just due to surprise. And techchasing with upsmash is hilarious in the middle of a heated battle if you feel confident/stupid enough. Fun stuff.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
im always feeling confident/stupid. thats like the best style.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
XD Good answer.
otg
Smash Master
Don't be mislead by this video. Jona blatantly sandbags often, and this video is proof of that. As for being humbled, I 2/3 stock Jona for Breakfeast... not for long though lol.