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New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

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Can I vote for Mach Rider too?
+1 Mach Rider
also detracting Takamaru down vote

Been out of the thread for a while... I have the impulse to start an argument... Casuals suck, being hardcore is the only way to play the game lol! Ignore that, don't start!
 
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leekslap said:
Can I vote for Mach Rider too?
+1 Mach Rider
also detracting Takamaru down vote

Been out of the thread for a while... I have the impulse to start an argument... Casuals suck, being hardcore is the only way to play the game lol! Ignore that, don't start!
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why in the world would you want to start an argument? x__x
PS: this isnt a post to start off an argument
 
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Well, in one week, this thread will have turned exactly one year old. Hopefully, this will have brought forth some prosperity and allowed the Project M developers some insight into the direction the project should go.

Naturally, all these choices have logistical problems, and not everybody is going to get in, but at least we have agreed on a few central characters that hopefully will be considered when the difficult process of developing them into usable characters in the project begins.
 
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JDogindy said:
Well, in one week, this thread will have turned exactly one year old. Hopefully, this will have brought forth some prosperity and allowed the Project M developers some insight into the direction the project should go.

Naturally, all these choices have logistical problems, and not everybody is going to get in, but at least we have agreed on a few central characters that hopefully will be considered when the difficult process of developing them into usable characters in the project begins.
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When will the PMDT announce another clone engine character?
 
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+0.5 to mach rider if i can, he was considered for melee
however out of all these i personally think takamaru is the most deserving, which is why i voted him (plus i really want him)
are we sending in new votes?
 
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NisforSmash said:
We don't even know if there will be one.
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Then why are we wasting our time voting? Would be nice if they told us "hey, we're not adding anyone else" . Considering they haven't, thats a good sign that we may be getting new characters soon.
 
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Ganondalf said:
Then why are we wasting our time voting? Would be nice if they told us "hey, we're not adding anyone else" . Considering they haven't, thats a good sign that we may be getting new characters soon.
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hasnt there been devs looking through this as well, which means im expecting an issac reveal soon based on the votes
 
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There is a good chance a new character will be added for 3.5 ... it seems to be a big push for this update. It has been nearly a year since 3.0 was launched ... so that is a good bit of time to be working on a character, or at least a few in the works with different release times and priorities. If I was to guess, maybe Issac since the PM team are worried about copyright so they would hold off on such ones like Dixie, King K Rool, etc while Smash 3ds/Wii u has been in the works. Time will tell though!
 
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Ganondalf said:
Then why are we wasting our time voting? Would be nice if they told us "hey, we're not adding anyone else" . Considering they haven't, thats a good sign that we may be getting new characters soon.
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Yea i know. I just wanted to provide a friendly reminder that it's not guaranteed that we're getting a character just yet. Highly likely but not guaranteed.

Jarret said:
There is a good chance a new character will be added for 3.5 ... it seems to be a big push for this update. It has been nearly a year since 3.0 was launched ... so that is a good bit of time to be working on a character, or at least a few in the works with different release times and priorities. If I was to guess, maybe Issac since the PM team are worried about copyright so they would hold off on such ones like Dixie, King K Rool, etc while Smash 3ds/Wii u has been in the works. Time will tell though!
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I'm inclined to agree with you. It seems as though Isaac's inclusion is almost a given at this point. The question now is what happens with the final four?
 
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New character leak confirmed. I got it from 5chan, so I know it's legit.

- Wii Balance Board
- XBox Avatar
- Chihiro Fujisaki
- Big Mac (sponsorship deal)
- African-American Pit
 
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Introduction

Some time ago, Anti Guy noticed a topic shift in the original thread for the newly revealed clone engine - what was originally conversation about the engine's implementation and limitations turned to character speculation, charged with colorful discussion. By popular request in that thread, Anti Guy starting this new thread to just discuss and publicly vote upon possible character choices, while leaving the original thread for discussing the clone engine itself. Furthermore, the OP in this thread can be kept updated so as not to turn into a endless repetitive cycle of arguments and lists because newcomers had not seen the information posted in the many pages previously (as seen in the former thread). As such, everyone is welcome to contribute their own information to be included on original post.

It should be noted, however, that after several months of monitoring this thread on his own, Anti Guy has passed down the responsibility of updating the OP and tracking the voting process to users JCOnyx, Shin F., Solbliminal, and Friesnchip. While Anti Guy is cooperating with these people, he is no longer tallying votes- for those of you who would like to place your votes, need any assistance, or have any questions, please refer to one of the people on this list.

Subjective vs. Objective

One of the main points to keep in mind when discussing a potential character is that there is a difference between who you want and who you like, and ultimately what most P:M players like and what will likely be happening. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but make sure you understand that stating your opinion is only for influencing others. If they're not convinced, then stop after you've stated all you need to say; we don't need back and forth flame wars. That's the subjective part.

The objective side of the argument is ultimately who's in favor of a character (after all the arguments have been said and done), and how much of the community is or would be behind that idea too. This should be the ultimate measuring stick for who'd be a good candidate for the PMBR to consider in future versions. Please try not to mix up your personal opinions when discussing the objective end of all this speculation. Data (i.e. polling) is your best friend here. Speaking of which...


Unofficial Polling (READ THE RULES)

So that we have better evidence of what the community is thinking, a tally of votes will be kept to debate which characters are most desired for the five remaining clone slots. The following are the voting rules:


1. Each unique poster can vote up to 5 characters. They will be tallied for 1 point each. Note: users may not change these five votes unless for some reason that character becomes disqualified. Pick your votes wisely. You don't need to use all your votes at once, you may always wait and add them in later.

2. Each unique poster can then vote for any number of characters after that. They will be tallied for 1/2 point each. The idea is that if you had to choose 5, you'd give more weight to those.

3. Each unique poster can down vote any number of characters. Only down vote if you're actually AGAINST the character being in. If you're indifferent, just don't vote on that character. This will be also be tallied on a separate count rather than subtracting against the up votes. This is to differentiate actual opposition from just indifference to a character. Note: From now on, it is required to give an explanation (it doesn't have to be long, it can be brief as long as it's reasonable) for all anti votes. Otherwise they won't be tallied. This is to try to keep things honest and not use these votes to play the numbers.

4. That means characters you're indifferent on... just don't vote. You can say if you're indifferent to the idea though, and we can tally that so we have a more complete picture.


This way we can have a good barometer on what the community is thinking. Because unlike SSB4, the PMBR is here and they might actually listen. And this game is for the community. So if a character is only attracting 50% popularity or less, it will probably not be worth the PMBR's effort.


Things to keep in mind:

1. Any quality character would take at least 700 hours to make, especially because of animations. That's why clones/partial clones are the most appealing. Despite a lot of people's distaste for clones, this seems to be huge pro for any character to be in P:M

2. P:M is not an official Smash. So characters that would not be possible for SSB Wii/3DS might just be possible in this game due to fan support and maybe the cloneability.

3. Adding a new character with the clone engine takes a ton of work, so they better be well worth the effort. For that reason, obscure characters that have no deserving reason to join the cast, or characters that are not as important as others in their ownseries (i.e. any random Sonic character that's not Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, or even Shadow).

4. This is a Nintendo game, so third party characters shouldn't be getting that much attention regardless (i.e. no need to have 3 Sonic characters). Also copyright/C&D issues. As stated by the P:M team: characters that haven't appeared in Brawl in some manner have no chance, so don't even mention them.

5. To avoid legal issues with Smash 4, Newcomers from that game (such as Little Mac and Palutena) will not be used for the Clone Engine.

6. According to P:M staff member cmart, current PSA's won't affect character chances because regardless, a character will be built up from scratch.

7. Please remember, this is a MOD. NOT SSB4. When you vote or make arguments for characters, realize there are limitations. PLEASE keep in mind the amount of work that it would take to make a character, and if it is even possible. Saying Character X can use so and so items from his game is counterproductive if that can't be done!


Rating the characters

There are 7 clone slots, two of which are already done with Roy and Mewtwo. It is important to remember the possibility that not all of them will be used, though. So with that said, below is a summarization of some of the characters that have been mentioned by at least more than one person, as well as a grading of how good a candidate they are for the P:M team. There are two categories and each with three grades (A-C):

Value - how much value do they have as a character, as a mascot, as an iconic character of their series, etc... Basically how much they deserve to be in Smash

A: Iconic character or brings a lot to the table

B: Fairly important character... or an iconic character, but in a saturated series (Pokémon, Mario).. or has some other minor flaw

C: Not very important


Effort - how much work would it take to make this character? Keep in mind that animations are probably the biggest part, so if borrowing animations is possible, that reduces the time. This rating is all estimated though...

A: As easy as can get. Pretty much a clone, or very simple animations. Having an established moveset helps too.

B: Will take some work and creativity. Significant animation work

C: Need to develop from scratch and take a ton of time. Is this even worth it??


The List of Clone Engine Candidates


Paper Mario (Paper Mario)
Like Game & Watch, but color



Rawk Hawk (Paper Mario)
The wrestler you've always wanted~!



Toad (Super Mario)
Wants to be more than a B move


Waluigi (Mario Bros / Wario?)
WAAAHHH!! When will he appear in anything OTHER than a party game!?


Ashley (Wario Ware)
She's the greatest witch you'll ever meet~!



Pichu (Pokémon)
Because he's a veteran


Pokémon Trainer / Red (Pokémon)
If he could fight on his own...


Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
The only other Kong to have her own game


King K. Rool(Donkey Kong)
The main villain of Donkey Kong


Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Recurring character and villain of Majora's Mask


Tetra (Legend of Zelda)
(Toon Zelda not included)


Toon Zelda (Legend of Zelda)
Apparently the lesser half


Young Link (Legend of Zelda)
Because every chain needs at least three Links



Black Shadow (F-Zero) and Ganondorf(Legend of Zelda)
A two-in-one package where the current Falcon-clone Ganondorf will be reskinned to his arch nemesis Black Shadow, and the clone slot will be used to recreate Ganondorf using available models


Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)
The second most popular F-Zero character.


Ridley (Metroid)
But he's too big!


Dark Samus (Metroid)
The other big Metroid villain


Krystal (Star Fox)
Because we need more Star Fox characters


Slippy Toad (Star Fox)
Fooox! Get this guy off of me!


Leon Powalski (Star Fox)
Star Wolf's Falco


Masked Man/Claus (Mother)
Which name would it be?


Ninten (Mother)
Isn't that Ness?


Lyn (Fire Emblem)
A popular female FE lord


Hector (Fire Emblem)
Can't mention Lyn without mentioning her axe-wielding comrade lord from the same game


Micaiah (Fire Emblem)
The Silver-Haired Maiden


Andy (Advance Wars)
For a more detailed explanation of Advance Wars and the characters, read ChronoBound's post here.


Sami (Advance Wars)
For a more detailed explanation of Advance Wars and the characters, read ChronoBound's post here.


Isaac (Golden Sun)
"..."


Ray MK III (Custom Robo)
From that overlooked series a lot of people know about, but most people never played.


Sukapon/Skapon (Joy Mech Fight)
The pink robot from Nintendo's first fighting game


Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight)
The pinnacle of aerial fighters


Mach Rider (Mach Rider)
On his bike, or off it?


Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment)
The guy who I always thought was a girl


Lip (Panel de Pon)
What would happen with Lip's Stick?


Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)
The guy everyone thought would be in Smash 4 for sure


The Prince of Sablé (For the Frog the Bell Tolls)
A swordsman with a twist


Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
Everyone's favorite loan shark


Primid (Super Smash Bros.)
The Smash Rep we deserve, but not the one we need

NOTE: FOR THE SONIC AND METAL GEAR CHARACTERS LISTED BELOW...
Third party characters should have less importance in terms of the clone engine when compared to Nintendo characters. Keep that in mind.


Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Sonic's Luigi


Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog)
The Echidna


Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Because people keep bringing him up


Gray Fox (Metal Gear)
He wants to feel alive again


Liquid Snake (Metal Gear)
The 'inferior' twin


Most Recent and Past Results
The Format is as follows:
Name: Score (+1s, +1/2s, -1s, %)

Only characters with at least 10 votes (at least 5 must be positive votes) are included.
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Every time I look in on the thread the only person I recognize is Shin

@ Shin F. Shin F. I hate you btw, because every time I see Glenn in the Walking Dead I think his name is Shin on accident
 
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QQQQQQQ7777777 said:
I didn't know @Shin was part of this thread. That guy's awesome, great at parties.

Only @ Shin F. Shin F. will get this joke...
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He was until I signed away his soul, at least. Now he just kinda hangs around like a zombie. Coincidence? Maybe not.
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Until you become a zombie.

Anyone campaigning for Starman yet? It should happen
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You know, I never watched Walking Dead, just watched playthroughs of the games.

As for Starman, he'd be pretty cool but I'm still not too big on the idea compared to Masked Man, Ninten, Jeff or Poo.
 
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Shin F. said:
He was until I signed away his soul, at least. Now he just kinda hangs around like a zombie. Coincidence? Maybe not.
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Yeah, my contracts tend to do that to people.

Come on Shin, we need to keep this chain of in-jokes going.

The more we confuse people the less they can resist our mind-rays.
 
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so uh

I noticed all of these votes that people have done and I have no idea where to look at the current total or results.

Who's keeping track of this?

Is someone keeping track of this?

Because this is an enormous thread.
 
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robosteven said:
so uh

I noticed all of these votes that people have done and I have no idea where to look at the current total or results.

Who's keeping track of this?

Is someone keeping track of this?

Because this is an enormous thread.
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Me, Solbliminal, JCOnyx and Friesnchip are keeping track of votes. The newest results are in the OP, they're the last thing in it.
 
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robosteven said:
so uh

I noticed all of these votes that people have done and I have no idea where to look at the current total or results.

Who's keeping track of this?

Is someone keeping track of this?

Because this is an enormous thread.
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Your avatar makes me chuckle.
 
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