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You can't really filter who votes. If those characters getting in PM will make them want to play PM, then it's for the better. At least they're willing to play PM, unlike the people that manifesto was addressing.
Yes, last I checked He was still cool
Smash attack.
Well, the reason it's a liked decision is because a lot of people like Ganondorf's current moveset plenty, but they simply feel that it doesn't exactly suit Ganondorf himself. The idea was to give his current moveset to an F-Zero character since the clone of Captain Falcon would now share the appropriate series, and Black Shadow is generally agreed upon to be the perfect match should the decision come to fruition.
Look man, I get that how this usually works is a guy pops off, the mod calls them on it, and being contrary to the guy who popped off seems like its in style or whatever, but its just tired.
Nobody is against you man. The way you approached everyone was with hostility, and the way you pressed on was as if we should have been on a mission to change everyone's opinion about something we have no control over. Please understand. Nobody here wants to talk about this because we've already went through this cycle. We are not disregarding your opinion. We've already heard your opinion. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh in any way, but that is just how it is.
Be careful. I might just count it.
Completely intended reference.
No one is discrediting what you are saying. All things that are made note of in this thread are just speculation, and this is a fan made poll. The PMBR does come in and read through our opinions from time to time, and even communicates with us too. They are well aware of our opinion and others. The fact that Shadic was just here is proof he was paying attention to the argument at hand. That shows there was weight behind your words. Do not be discouraged. They are fans, just as they are professionals. This poll is not fact and should not be taken as such, since there is a large unaccounted for majority that is vocal in and outside of this thread.
Is this in response to people coming by when characters get torpedo'd out of the running for Smash 4 or something else I missed?
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I'd be more than fine to have Isaac in the game even without the Djinni gimmick because earth mage w00t
Yeeeeees, it was all the Smash 4 fans fault....... MuahahahaHAHAHAHA
Not sure how viable / possible it is, but damned if that doesn't sound cool!I wanna discuss Isaac again.
I'm starting to think he could add something called "move availability" to Project M. "What the hell are you talkin' bout, boy?" you might be asking. Well, in Golden Sun, there are these things called Djinni that, when used, unleash an ability of a sort. Isaac can have up to 7 of these, but we'll stick with Venus Djinni since that's basically earth magic, and only use 3. When a Djinni is used, it becomes a point toward summoning: after 1 Djinni is used, a weak summon is available to be called upon, and after 2 are used a stronger summon can come out, and it goes on. Essentially, a different move is available depending on how many Djinni-centered moves you got to connect with the opponent.
I came up with this as a good way to make Isaac unique beyond "attacks with an Earth theme." Summons like Ramses and Cybele could materialize using down-B after using some attacks that use Djinni. Like, say Flint is part of Isaac's forward smash (since the effect is basically "regular attack is stronger") while Ground and Bane are 2 of his specials. Summon could be his down special, so if he's performed all 3 Djinni-centered attacks successfully (preferably on-hit to make it fair), then his summon could be Cybele. But let's say you don't want Cybele and want Ramses, which only requires 2 Djinni attacks, or wanna save Bane for later--just use one of your Djinni-centered attacks again to "set" it again (as in it no longer counts toward "summon points"), it doesn't have to be on-hit either.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how this could work using the clone engine, but it was a fun exercise I just made for myself here and now so it entertained me at least
WINGED SHOVEL KNIGHT WITH ARM CANNON, ENGAGE!!!
I'm creative gaiz
Also to add, his Final Smash would obviously be Judgement, which is the strongest Venus summon for him and looks badass.
I'm creative gaiz
Also to add, his Final Smash would obviously be Judgement, which is the strongest Venus summon for him and looks badass.
Interesting. I would like to add that after using a Djinn's ability in Golden Sun there is a cool-down period before it can be utilized again, which is indicated by a noise prompt and effect when that time comes. So in P:M, it would make sense that using a more powerful summon would require a longer cool-down, and the player (and opponent) would receive a cue (similar to the green flash for Luigi's stored side special) when the individual Djinn abilities are available once more.I wanna discuss Isaac again.
I'm starting to think he could add something called "move availability" to Project M. "What the hell are you talkin' bout, boy?" you might be asking. Well, in Golden Sun, there are these things called Djinni that, when used, unleash an ability of a sort. Isaac can have up to 7 of these, but we'll stick with Venus Djinni since that's basically earth magic, and only use 3. When a Djinni is used, it becomes a point toward summoning: after 1 Djinni is used, a weak summon is available to be called upon, and after 2 are used a stronger summon can come out, and it goes on. Essentially, a different move is available depending on how many Djinni-centered moves you got to connect with the opponent.
I came up with this as a good way to make Isaac unique beyond "attacks with an Earth theme." Summons like Ramses and Cybele could materialize using down-B after using some attacks that use Djinni. Like, say Flint is part of Isaac's forward smash (since the effect is basically "regular attack is stronger") while Ground and Bane are 2 of his specials. Summon could be his down special, so if he's performed all 3 Djinni-centered attacks successfully (preferably on-hit to make it fair), then his summon could be Cybele. But let's say you don't want Cybele and want Ramses, which only requires 2 Djinni attacks, or wanna save Bane for later--just use one of your Djinni-centered attacks again to "set" it again (as in it no longer counts toward "summon points"), it doesn't have to be on-hit either.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how this could work using the clone engine, but it was a fun exercise I just made for myself here and now so it entertained me at least
I feel that could be indirectly represented by having all of the Djinni-centered attacks, after being used on-hit, have more startup lag to represent "setting" them, then getting said noise, and that after a summon what you just described would also happen--they'd be set in the order you last used them (i.e. Flint then Ground if you did that order to use Ramses).
I think they look different enough. Hell, the PM guys added a Melee Link costume, which is very similar to his default costume, but a bit brighter.
Yeah, I'm just explaining my vote now.
That doesn't make sense. You're saying they look different enough to be a different character (for anyone that does, I think you need to take a step back and look at it from a non-Mother fan's perspective), but it's okay because Link's costume is similar? If anything, Ninten could be a costume for Ness, but he'd hardly look like anything more than a palette swap.
That's where the problem lies. Every character in Smash has been accurately represented to their original franchise. Why should Ganondorf be exempt from this rule? Since Smash is a crossover game it is a requirement to take inspiration from Nintendo characters and their existing games and since the Legend of Zelda games have fighting involved in it's story, I don't see why Ganondorf became who he currently is.
Personally, I don't agree. There are some people who said they didn't mind the change because their character will still live on in Black Shadow since Ganondorf's current moveset is similar to Captain Falcon's, it would make sense for the switch. Also, it's been brought up that some people cannot adjust to a different skin (why I don't know, a lot of people change skins all the time in Brawl Vault) but that number may not be as big as you may think (I know Smashboards isn't an accurate representation of the Project M fanbase so don't quote me on this). Also, if people are maining their favorite character it is more than likely for their moveset (since Ganondorf is falsely represented, it can't be for the character itself, unless they're happy with the way Sakurai messed with their character).
damn that would be freaking awesome!!
I'm creative gaiz
Also to add, his Final Smash would obviously be Judgement, which is the strongest Venus summon for him and looks badass.
That's a bad example. Like seriously bad. This particular picture was created by an artist who chose to make them look extremely similar. Shin's renders are proof enough that Ninten and Ness can differ enough in appearance to be present in the same medium.Yeah, I'm just explaining my vote now.
That doesn't make sense. You're saying they look different enough to be a different character (for anyone that does, I think you need to take a step back and look at it from a non-Mother fan's perspective), but it's okay because Link's costume is similar? If anything, Ninten could be a costume for Ness, but he'd hardly look like anything more than a palette swap.
i would main both so i really dont care all i want is to see ganondorf with a unique moveset while getting a newcomer (BlackShadow) with the old one which i would still be using!That's where the problem lies. Every character in Smash has been accurately represented to their original franchise. Why should Ganondorf be exempt from this rule? Since Smash is a crossover game it is a requirement to take inspiration from Nintendo characters and their existing games and since the Legend of Zelda games have fighting involved in it's story, I don't see why Ganondorf became who he currently is.
Personally, I don't agree. There are some people who said they didn't mind the change because their character will still live on in Black Shadow since Ganondorf's current moveset is similar to Captain Falcon's, it would make sense for the switch. Also, it's been brought up that some people cannot adjust to a different skin (why I don't know, a lot of people change skins all the time in Brawl Vault) but that number may not be as big as you may think (I know Smashboards isn't an accurate representation of the Project M fanbase so don't quote me on this). Also, if people are maining their favorite character it is more than likely for their moveset (since Ganondorf is falsely represented, it can't be for the character itself, unless they're happy with the way Sakurai messed with their character).
You're forgiven and I understand how you and other current Ganon supporters feel, but I ask you take a look at the other perspective. If change doesn't occur now it will never happen; Ganon will continue to be misrepresented in the eyes of Blackendorf supporters. The way you make things sound is that they're removing the character's essence which they aren't because the Ganondorf from Smash and Ganondorf from Legend of Zelda are two different people in the eyes of Blackendorf fans.
This topic is so controversial that I choose not to take one side which is why I never up voted, 1/2 voted, or down voted Blackendorf. That being said hopefully you understand Blackendorf fans from a neutral standpoint. Maybe?
That would pretty much be the best of both worlds
. Black Shadow and Ganondorf are similar in physique so it would be easier to adjust to the character if Blackendorf is included. Unfortunately, it's impossible to make everyone acknowledge the idea...status quo, anti-change, and all that Basically prod Elecbyte until he finally makes that MUGEN 3D engine he mentioned he wanted to do about 6 years ago :3
i feel the best way to actually add Black Shadow is to clone him from captain falcon and then edit him and give him ganondorfs moveset and simply make a new one (PSA) for Ganondorf using magic and his sword and he could use some hovering mechanics like mewtwo's.That would pretty much be the best of both worlds
Dude, just because he chose to make them similar does not mean that's wrong. It's more the fact that most of his fanart choose to make them different. Ninten's art never has him officially wearing that bandana or having different clothes. That whole rendering is a fan creation.
